but he shouldn't have started right off the bat. They had McCown, should have just let him start the season and eventually inserted Darnold after he had some practice reps under his belt.
They skipped that, so might as well get him the experience and exposure than bench him at this point.
Once you commit to a rookie QB, the worst thing you can possibly do is bench him or otherwise yank him around. Look, by all accounts, Darnold was horrid today. And he has had his ups and downs.
Because of the quick success that some QBs have experienced recently, people forget that rookie QBs struggle. It's what they do. Miami's D is actually good. Anyone judging Darnold by what he is doing right now or even this year is not giving him a fair shot. Eli was not good his first few starts, either, and he turned out fine, notwithstanding the last few years.
Fact is, Darnold has little talent surrounding him, and his system does him no favors. People should really think about how others wrote Goff off so quickly only three years ago, and he now leads one of the best offenses in the history of the sport.
You wanna talk about messing with a young QB's confidence. He can throw a bunch of picks in his first season and he should understand that's going to happen as a rookie, I mean look at Peyton's rookie year. But if you bench the kid I just feel like you're saying "our #3 overall pick is the reason we're losing and shouldn't be the starter". Then what happens next year? You put him back in there and let's say he has a bit of a rough start to the year... do you bench him again? What does that say about your confidence in him for the long term?
You have continue to have confidence in him to develop and let him take his lumps, and he has to understand that this just comes with being a rookie QB in the NFL. He's only going to learn with more experience so you might as well keep him out there.
Once you commit to a rookie QB, the worst thing you can possibly do is bench him or otherwise yank him around. Look, by all accounts, Darnold was horrid today. And he has had his ups and downs.
Because of the quick success that some QBs have experienced recently, people forget that rookie QBs struggle. It's what they do. Miami's D is actually good. Anyone judging Darnold by what he is doing right now or even this year is not giving him a fair shot. Eli was not good his first few starts, either, and he turned out fine, notwithstanding the last few years.
Fact is, Darnold has little talent surrounding him, and his system does him no favors. People should really think about how others wrote Goff off so quickly only three years ago, and he now leads one of the best offenses in the history of the sport.
Or maybe Darnold isn't that good? He is regressing this year and that is what is scary. You can deal with a young QB as long as he shows some improvement. The narrative that the Jets writers were selling was "he doesn't make the same mistake twice." Well he does. A lot. He should have had 6 INTs in this game. Yeah, he doesn't have talent around him but he is part of that. A QB can elevate the talent around him and his poor decision making is making it much worse. He should get better but the thing is he didn't get better at USC. He is what he is. A turnover prone QB.
He isn't close to Peyton. He isn't nearly as talented as Eli coming out of college. He isn't even Sam Bradford or Blake Bortles. Is there any evidence he is as talented as Goff? No. Darnold was a guy that was always overhyped as a player until he actually played. The more you saw him at USC, the more you questioned him as a NFL QB. The Jets might find themselves in QB hell for a long time cause they are tied to him. A bad NFL QB pick can really set you back as a franchise cause you can't abandon him and just have to pray he gets better until you realize he is just not good.
any rookie QB that played lights out his first season. Im really asking the question not being sarcastic. I cannot think of any. Was Foles a rookie that had a good first season
Its not like he wasnt reported to be a TO machine in college. He needs to work through it, continue to feel the pace of the NFL game and take in all the teaching he can. You dont get that on the bench as rookie Eli showed once he was installed the starter.
Its not like he wasnt reported to be a TO machine in college. He needs to work through it, continue to feel the pace of the NFL game and take in all the teaching he can. You dont get that on the bench as rookie Eli showed once he was installed the starter.
How will he ever learn what defenses are doing to him, unless he lives it and then gets to see it on tape? I don't think he is a dummy.
He needs to play. He needs time watching game tape in order to recognize the disguises that Ds are throwing at him.
but if a QB is so mentally weak that benching him destroys his confidence, then he was likely doomed to failure anyway.
I think it has more to do with his teammates than him. If the coaching staff loses confidence in the QB, so will the rest of the team. No choice but to ride it out.
but if a QB is so mentally weak that benching him destroys his confidence, then he was likely doomed to failure anyway.
I think it has more to do with his teammates than him. If the coaching staff loses confidence in the QB, so will the rest of the team. No choice but to ride it out.
I think you might have that the other way around - right now, it sounds as if the Jets defensive players have lost confidence in their coaching staff.
If the Jets somehow manage to finish up this year and not can their coaches, they deserve what they get.
With not even two full years of starting at the college level. He's is also playing with the worst set of skill position players in the league and behind a subpar offensive line. He is younger then the quarterbacks coming out this year. I don't see how anyone can come to any kind of conclusion on what kind of quarterback Darnold,or any of the rookies will be.
but if a QB is so mentally weak that benching him destroys his confidence, then he was likely doomed to failure anyway.
I think it has more to do with his teammates than him. If the coaching staff loses confidence in the QB, so will the rest of the team. No choice but to ride it out.
I think you might have that the other way around - right now, it sounds as if the Jets defensive players have lost confidence in their coaching staff.
If the Jets somehow manage to finish up this year and not can their coaches, they deserve what they get.
I think thats 2 separate scenarios. They never had a strong coaching staff there to begin with so they will be the first to go. Benching Darnold on top of it would be a catastrophe.
He's playing with a Rotating cast...and that cast is not yet established.
This is the look you get when you splash a young qb on to a losing squad.... it's Ugly. They need to give him things he can do well and they need to get something steady around him....and He needs to continue to play.
With not even two full years of starting at the college level. He's is also playing with the worst set of skill position players in the league and behind a subpar offensive line. He is younger then the quarterbacks coming out this year. I don't see how anyone can come to any kind of conclusion on what kind of quarterback Darnold,or any of the rookies will be.
Agreed. i was fine taking Barkley or Darnold, but judging Darnold as a failure now under these circumstances is ridiculous.
I have had good results personally stepping away from something for a bit before I get frustrated with my lack of progress. It's not a bad thing to be able to recharge and let brain and body absorb the experience before bad habits become too entrenched.
any rookie QB that played lights out his first season. Im really asking the question not being sarcastic. I cannot think of any. Was Foles a rookie that had a good first season
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This experience is vital to his success. The guy has a brutally bad supporting cast. They should let him take his lumps, get another top player in next years draft and hope he grows.
any rookie QB that played lights out his first season. Im really asking the question not being sarcastic. I cannot think of any. Was Foles a rookie that had a good first season
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He joined a win now team with the best line in football, along with the best RB. He wasn't lighting it up in the passing game, more of a game manager, but he played well.
Jets have a terrible line, and no playmakers on offense. It's night and day.
he's got to be the starter. It's not like the Jets are competing for anything this year. 2018 exists only to give Darnold reps and let him make mistakes.
Rookies have been coming into the NFL for YEARS and very few do well right off the bat. Even fewer do well when they are surrounded by horrible talent from the OL to the weapons they have to throw to.
At this point, they need him to take his lumps and try to fight through this. You need to find out how the kid deals with adversity.
In the end, the Jets were never going to contend this year. You might as well stack up the L's and get a better draft pick next year so that you can put together a good OL and give Darnold some pieces to work with.
Unless the line starts to fall apart and he takes a beating. This is all part of the maturation process. Let him work his way through it. He has a similar personality to Eli in that he doesnt let his poor performances affect his confidence. He will be better off in the long run by playing.
The fallacy that Darnold was a turnover machine, and Eli Manning wasn't in college is simply an untruth.
Here are Sam Darnold's numbers in college, when he was 19 years old
Year 2016 67% cmp 3086 yards 31 TD 9 Int 161 QB Rating,
Year 2017 63% cmp 4143 yards 26 TD 13 Int 148 QB Rating
Eli Mannings's college stats from his 2002 year, he threw 15 interceptions in 13 games. So people calling Darnold a turnover machine, are the same people that justify Manning's turnover ratio in college, which was worse than Darnold's.
Furthermore, Manning was 23 years old when he entered the NFL, Darnold is only 21 years old. In other words, Eli wasn't good enough at 21 to be in the league, he had to wait two more years. And after waiting till he was 23 his rookie year was still horrific. Here are his stats, and I'm an Eli fan...
2004 48% 1048 yards 6 TD 9 Int 55 QB Rating.
Eli lost his first 6 games, and didn't win one until the very last game in the season. So no, in my opinion Darnold was rated very high, and even with the bad game he had, I'll still take him right now.
Give him Beckham, Engram and Shepard, compared to his bottom five receiving core, and its a different story. He's light years ahead of Eli when Eli was a rookie, and I was an Eli fan, even though it took him years to finally develop.
It's way too soon to definitively discount Darnold...
Eli put up a 0.0 rating, that everyone loves to toss out there, against a Baltimore Ravens defense that featured 3 Hall of Famers in Ed Reed, Ray Lewis and Terrell Suggs plus guys like Chris McAlister and Bart Scott. This was before the league fully neutered defenses like it has today. You think Darnold has faced a defense on the same planet as that one at any point this year? Go look at this Miami defense that the Jets just scored 6 points on.
There is pretty much no comparison to be made as far as defense in the league from then and now.
Also funny, I don't remember NYG fans being as patient with Eli as they are with Sam Darnold.
The fallacy that Darnold was a turnover machine, and Eli Manning wasn't in college is simply an untruth.
Here are Sam Darnold's numbers in college, when he was 19 years old
Year 2016 67% cmp 3086 yards 31 TD 9 Int 161 QB Rating,
Year 2017 63% cmp 4143 yards 26 TD 13 Int 148 QB Rating
Eli Mannings's college stats from his 2002 year, he threw 15 interceptions in 13 games. So people calling Darnold a turnover machine, are the same people that justify Manning's turnover ratio in college, which was worse than Darnold's.
Furthermore, Manning was 23 years old when he entered the NFL, Darnold is only 21 years old. In other words, Eli wasn't good enough at 21 to be in the league, he had to wait two more years. And after waiting till he was 23 his rookie year was still horrific. Here are his stats, and I'm an Eli fan...
2004 48% 1048 yards 6 TD 9 Int 55 QB Rating.
Eli lost his first 6 games, and didn't win one until the very last game in the season. So no, in my opinion Darnold was rated very high, and even with the bad game he had, I'll still take him right now.
Give him Beckham, Engram and Shepard, compared to his bottom five receiving core, and its a different story. He's light years ahead of Eli when Eli was a rookie, and I was an Eli fan, even though it took him years to finally develop.
You are so intellectually dishonest. You start off by stating the "fallacy" that Darnold was a turnover machine, then you try to disprove the point by only quoting INTs. Besides his INTs, he was also prone to treating the football like it was bocce. There is a reason he is called Doll-Hands Darnold.
They skipped that, so might as well get him the experience and exposure than bench him at this point.
Because of the quick success that some QBs have experienced recently, people forget that rookie QBs struggle. It's what they do. Miami's D is actually good. Anyone judging Darnold by what he is doing right now or even this year is not giving him a fair shot. Eli was not good his first few starts, either, and he turned out fine, notwithstanding the last few years.
Fact is, Darnold has little talent surrounding him, and his system does him no favors. People should really think about how others wrote Goff off so quickly only three years ago, and he now leads one of the best offenses in the history of the sport.
You have continue to have confidence in him to develop and let him take his lumps, and he has to understand that this just comes with being a rookie QB in the NFL. He's only going to learn with more experience so you might as well keep him out there.
Because of the quick success that some QBs have experienced recently, people forget that rookie QBs struggle. It's what they do. Miami's D is actually good. Anyone judging Darnold by what he is doing right now or even this year is not giving him a fair shot. Eli was not good his first few starts, either, and he turned out fine, notwithstanding the last few years.
Fact is, Darnold has little talent surrounding him, and his system does him no favors. People should really think about how others wrote Goff off so quickly only three years ago, and he now leads one of the best offenses in the history of the sport.
Or maybe Darnold isn't that good? He is regressing this year and that is what is scary. You can deal with a young QB as long as he shows some improvement. The narrative that the Jets writers were selling was "he doesn't make the same mistake twice." Well he does. A lot. He should have had 6 INTs in this game. Yeah, he doesn't have talent around him but he is part of that. A QB can elevate the talent around him and his poor decision making is making it much worse. He should get better but the thing is he didn't get better at USC. He is what he is. A turnover prone QB.
He isn't close to Peyton. He isn't nearly as talented as Eli coming out of college. He isn't even Sam Bradford or Blake Bortles. Is there any evidence he is as talented as Goff? No. Darnold was a guy that was always overhyped as a player until he actually played. The more you saw him at USC, the more you questioned him as a NFL QB. The Jets might find themselves in QB hell for a long time cause they are tied to him. A bad NFL QB pick can really set you back as a franchise cause you can't abandon him and just have to pray he gets better until you realize he is just not good.
Sink or swim is what any true competitor would want
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How will he ever learn what defenses are doing to him, unless he lives it and then gets to see it on tape? I don't think he is a dummy.
He needs to play. He needs time watching game tape in order to recognize the disguises that Ds are throwing at him.
And yes, everyone knew he gave up lots of TOs.
Of course not. But, it has nothing to do with Darnold. Way too early
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Of course not. But, it has nothing to do with Darnold. Way too early
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I think it has more to do with his teammates than him. If the coaching staff loses confidence in the QB, so will the rest of the team. No choice but to ride it out.
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but if a QB is so mentally weak that benching him destroys his confidence, then he was likely doomed to failure anyway.
I think it has more to do with his teammates than him. If the coaching staff loses confidence in the QB, so will the rest of the team. No choice but to ride it out.
I think you might have that the other way around - right now, it sounds as if the Jets defensive players have lost confidence in their coaching staff.
If the Jets somehow manage to finish up this year and not can their coaches, they deserve what they get.
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but if a QB is so mentally weak that benching him destroys his confidence, then he was likely doomed to failure anyway.
I think it has more to do with his teammates than him. If the coaching staff loses confidence in the QB, so will the rest of the team. No choice but to ride it out.
I think you might have that the other way around - right now, it sounds as if the Jets defensive players have lost confidence in their coaching staff.
If the Jets somehow manage to finish up this year and not can their coaches, they deserve what they get.
I think thats 2 separate scenarios. They never had a strong coaching staff there to begin with so they will be the first to go. Benching Darnold on top of it would be a catastrophe.
This is the look you get when you splash a young qb on to a losing squad.... it's Ugly. They need to give him things he can do well and they need to get something steady around him....and He needs to continue to play.
That can be a type of shell shock, too.
Then it's time to stop, sit back, and take a breather.
IMO, that can only be assessed in person.
rookies can hit the wall mentally, too.
Agreed. i was fine taking Barkley or Darnold, but judging Darnold as a failure now under these circumstances is ridiculous.
Tune back in in a couple of years.
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So his 5th year playing QB in total, he's playing in the NFL, which is impressive, but he surely has some learning to do.
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any rookie QB that played lights out his first season. Im really asking the question not being sarcastic. I cannot think of any. Was Foles a rookie that had a good first season
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He joined a win now team with the best line in football, along with the best RB. He wasn't lighting it up in the passing game, more of a game manager, but he played well.
Jets have a terrible line, and no playmakers on offense. It's night and day.
It absolutely is too early. Been saying that since the weekly Sam Darnold threads started in preseason.
At this point, they need him to take his lumps and try to fight through this. You need to find out how the kid deals with adversity.
In the end, the Jets were never going to contend this year. You might as well stack up the L's and get a better draft pick next year so that you can put together a good OL and give Darnold some pieces to work with.
Here are Sam Darnold's numbers in college, when he was 19 years old
Year 2016 67% cmp 3086 yards 31 TD 9 Int 161 QB Rating,
Year 2017 63% cmp 4143 yards 26 TD 13 Int 148 QB Rating
Eli Mannings's college stats from his 2002 year, he threw 15 interceptions in 13 games. So people calling Darnold a turnover machine, are the same people that justify Manning's turnover ratio in college, which was worse than Darnold's.
Furthermore, Manning was 23 years old when he entered the NFL, Darnold is only 21 years old. In other words, Eli wasn't good enough at 21 to be in the league, he had to wait two more years. And after waiting till he was 23 his rookie year was still horrific. Here are his stats, and I'm an Eli fan...
2004 48% 1048 yards 6 TD 9 Int 55 QB Rating.
Eli lost his first 6 games, and didn't win one until the very last game in the season. So no, in my opinion Darnold was rated very high, and even with the bad game he had, I'll still take him right now.
Give him Beckham, Engram and Shepard, compared to his bottom five receiving core, and its a different story. He's light years ahead of Eli when Eli was a rookie, and I was an Eli fan, even though it took him years to finally develop.
Eli put up a 0.0 rating, that everyone loves to toss out there, against a Baltimore Ravens defense that featured 3 Hall of Famers in Ed Reed, Ray Lewis and Terrell Suggs plus guys like Chris McAlister and Bart Scott. This was before the league fully neutered defenses like it has today. You think Darnold has faced a defense on the same planet as that one at any point this year? Go look at this Miami defense that the Jets just scored 6 points on.
There is pretty much no comparison to be made as far as defense in the league from then and now.
Also funny, I don't remember NYG fans being as patient with Eli as they are with Sam Darnold.
What does he have to laugh about?????
Here are Sam Darnold's numbers in college, when he was 19 years old
Year 2016 67% cmp 3086 yards 31 TD 9 Int 161 QB Rating,
Year 2017 63% cmp 4143 yards 26 TD 13 Int 148 QB Rating
Eli Mannings's college stats from his 2002 year, he threw 15 interceptions in 13 games. So people calling Darnold a turnover machine, are the same people that justify Manning's turnover ratio in college, which was worse than Darnold's.
Furthermore, Manning was 23 years old when he entered the NFL, Darnold is only 21 years old. In other words, Eli wasn't good enough at 21 to be in the league, he had to wait two more years. And after waiting till he was 23 his rookie year was still horrific. Here are his stats, and I'm an Eli fan...
2004 48% 1048 yards 6 TD 9 Int 55 QB Rating.
Eli lost his first 6 games, and didn't win one until the very last game in the season. So no, in my opinion Darnold was rated very high, and even with the bad game he had, I'll still take him right now.
Give him Beckham, Engram and Shepard, compared to his bottom five receiving core, and its a different story. He's light years ahead of Eli when Eli was a rookie, and I was an Eli fan, even though it took him years to finally develop.
You are so intellectually dishonest. You start off by stating the "fallacy" that Darnold was a turnover machine, then you try to disprove the point by only quoting INTs. Besides his INTs, he was also prone to treating the football like it was bocce. There is a reason he is called Doll-Hands Darnold.