I wouldn't be interested in Realmuto if it cost mets top prospects, but if it was Alonso as the center piece I'd do it.
Alonso may have prodigious power, but that's not how today's MLB world series are won.
So, I doubt that gets it done for the Mets, but I wouldn't trade much more
Maybe the market dries up and the Mets benefit, but you also don't need the best catcher in the league. The Red Sox catchers all had lower fWAR than the Mets catchers.
Leon did have a borderline GG season for the Sox though. Here's a pretty good write-up from Mark Simon on the trend of top defensive backup catchers, that's the type of guy I'd personally be looking to pair with Plawecki as opposed to dealing prospects. There's a pretty healthy number of FA who graded out better than Realmuto defensively.
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The thing about baseballs best defensive catchers in 2018 was that they didnt play a lot. Of the five who had the most Defensive Runs Saved, only one (Mike Zunino, who wasnt a finalist) was an everyday catcher. Teams are going to much more of a platoon system. Ten years ago, 23 catchers made 90 starts. This year, only 15 did.
If youre going just by skill and factoring out playing time, Jeff Mathis of the Diamondbacks (17 Defensive Runs Saved, best pitch-blocker in MLB) and Sandy Leon of the Red Sox (12 DRS), probably should have won. If were picking among the finalists, Buster Posey (10 DRS) and Martin Maldonado (3 DRS), both previous winners, were arguably better choices.
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Yes, exactly what I'd do, stop the parade around the base paths with a solid defensive catcher. I'd prefer one who isn't a black hole offensively, but nonetheless, if I could get Realmmuto for Alonso + lesser pieces (not Gimenez) I'd do it in a heartbeat, but otherwise I'd be fine with a lesser catcher, but one who is solid defensively, particularly pitch framing and throwing out runners.
We need a RH power bat in the middle of our lineup more than just about anything else.
Yes defense is nice, speed is nice, attitude... ect. ect. but at the end of the day we didn't hit in 2018, AGAIN, Cespedes is likely missing the majority of the year and we are very LH hitting heavy.
I can't think of a single good reason to trade Alonso. He likely hits 20 HR by accident in his rookie year. He's going to mash.
Yes, exactly what I'd do, stop the parade around the base paths with a solid defensive catcher. I'd prefer one who isn't a black hole offensively, but nonetheless, if I could get Realmmuto for Alonso + lesser pieces (not Gimenez) I'd do it in a heartbeat, but otherwise I'd be fine with a lesser catcher, but one who is solid defensively, particularly pitch framing and throwing out runners.
Yea to me this + adding 2 of the top relievers are the no-brainers of the offseason. Plenty of options available for both that only cost middle of the road $. It's likely you could get both taken care of without needing to give out more than a 3 year deal. Fixes 2 of the ways we made life for our starters harder than it needed to be this year (and many others the past decades).
We need a RH power bat in the middle of our lineup more than just about anything else.
Yes defense is nice, speed is nice, attitude... ect. ect. but at the end of the day we didn't hit in 2018, AGAIN, Cespedes is likely missing the majority of the year and we are very LH hitting heavy.
I can't think of a single good reason to trade Alonso. He likely hits 20 HR by accident in his rookie year. He's going to mash.
I tend to agree and think it's really unlikely I'd trade Alonso, but it all depends on which way they go. In the very unlikely event they add Machado for example and use most of their budget for that, it's a lot easier to trade Alonso to fill another need. But I'd say it's 90% or more than Alonso leads the team in games at 1st next year.
look into C.C at the right price. I think he's going to be a steal for someone and the Mets are a young team overall. Fangraphs likes him for 1.7 fWAR over only 24 starts DESTROYED lefties last year so if you're looking at a playoff or late in the year situation you can move him into that role
We need a RH power bat in the middle of our lineup more than just about anything else.
Yes defense is nice, speed is nice, attitude... ect. ect. but at the end of the day we didn't hit in 2018, AGAIN, Cespedes is likely missing the majority of the year and we are very LH hitting heavy.
I can't think of a single good reason to trade Alonso. He likely hits 20 HR by accident in his rookie year. He's going to mash.
I tend to agree and think it's really unlikely I'd trade Alonso, but it all depends on which way they go. In the very unlikely event they add Machado for example and use most of their budget for that, it's a lot easier to trade Alonso to fill another need. But I'd say it's 90% or more than Alonso leads the team in games at 1st next year.
I hope so. I mean we desperately need a RH power bat, he seems very close, and 1B is just there and open for him. Even with Machado, I think Alsono fits in just beautifully at 1B. I think we know Smith isnt the answer at this point. Alonso is just too close at a position of need to deal at this point unless its part of a huge no brainer deal, ect.
I actually think the organization is middle infield rich in prospects but legitimate power guys rarely come through. I would deal from a position of strength.
Warthen and Eilland are well regarded. I think because so many of these guys were uber prospects coming up through the system/their systems they may have been rushed through and fundamentals were more of an afterthought to their pitching. Best guess I got.
Rosenthal now confirming Phillies will go "all in"
just had a game which was the epitome of what we can likely expect. Drilled a homer off Pearson (still bummed we took Peterson over him) on a 103 MPH FB, made a very nice diving stop, but also couldn't bend at 1b on a pretty routine throw from Gimenez and the winning run scored.
Someone who lives and breathes baseball, knows the rulebook inside and out, his been to the promised land a bunch of times, and now is content to put on a uniform, sit in a dugout, and impart wisdom.
Someone who lives and breathes baseball, knows the rulebook inside and out, his been to the promised land a bunch of times, and now is content to put on a uniform, sit in a dugout, and impart wisdom.
I want Dusty Baker. Flaws and all the guy was ALWAYS winning games and has managed in the NL for 22 seasons.
But I think he might be boosting him up for a trade.
It's possible but I think it's sincere. Alonso has potential 30 homer pop and the Mets are pretty limited in minor league talent that is anywhere near ready in terms of position players. I think the Mets have done a piss poor job displaying confidence in their younger players and that includes guys like Nimmo and Conforto who have proven them "wrong".
Someone who lives and breathes baseball, knows the rulebook inside and out, his been to the promised land a bunch of times, and now is content to put on a uniform, sit in a dugout, and impart wisdom.
I want Dusty Baker. Flaws and all the guy was ALWAYS winning games and has managed in the NL for 22 seasons.
Yeah, he'd be great in that role. Just keep him away from the bullpen.
Someone who lives and breathes baseball, knows the rulebook inside and out, his been to the promised land a bunch of times, and now is content to put on a uniform, sit in a dugout, and impart wisdom.
I want Dusty Baker. Flaws and all the guy was ALWAYS winning games and has managed in the NL for 22 seasons.
Yeah, he'd be great in that role. Just keep him away from the bullpen.
I'd like to believe Mickey/Eiland have enough experience in dealing with pitchers that it wouldn't be an issue. Dusty seems to keep his players loose and he obviously knows the game. He's also likely less of a threat to Mickey than a younger guy but also competent enough where if you do have to make an in-season move you can trust Dusty to be able to handle it.
This guy seems to be well-versed in the National League
Disclaimer: I am not advocating bringing Wally Backman back and I believe these videos are now 12 years old.
In all seriousness, someone like Riggleman isn't a terrible idea. These moves aren't franchise altering but I am certainly pleased they are exploring improvement in all areas. Obviously we have an entire off-season ahead of us but I am happy to see some activity.
BVW and Collins fly out to sit with Dom. Pump him up, save his life, and let him win the starting 1B job out if spring. If he is failing miserably, understanding hes a slow starter, you call up Alonso in a couple weeks. Energize the team and fans it also allows Alonso to face more outside junk and work on it
Best case scenario. Dom actually holds his own. And Alonso is ripping the cover off the ball in Syr. You can actually wait till super 2 to call him up. A really win win for everyone but Alonso, who got to perfect his deficiencies even further.
Thats all logic and super basic stuff. But those things are almost always looked over for much more complicated solutions.
Dusty would be a huge hire if he's willing to bench coach
Its not, but lets say it is
And Alonso comes out of the gate as an All Star 6 War player. He misses the first month of the season. It cost the Mets 1/6, or one win. To the team, its 1-2 wins on the field, to the FO it cost them $8mm. But gained them not only an extra year of control before FA. If hes a six win player (unlikely), how important is that year vs month? Even if he is a 2-3 win player, how Important is that year of control?
I thought it was a month, no? That's 15% of the season.
BVW and Collins fly out to sit with Dom. Pump him up, save his life, and let him win the starting 1B job out if spring. If he is failing miserably, understanding hes a slow starter, you call up Alonso in a couple weeks. Energize the team and fans it also allows Alonso to face more outside junk and work on it
Best case scenario. Dom actually holds his own. And Alonso is ripping the cover off the ball in Syr. You can actually wait till super 2 to call him up. A really win win for everyone but Alonso, who got to perfect his deficiencies even further.
Thats all logic and super basic stuff. But those things are almost always looked over for much more complicated solutions.
I agree with this. As someone who wanted Alonso up last year, I actually am less urgent in wanting him to him breaking ST with the team in April because I'd rather see him get off to a hot start before coming up to the big leagues.
Can figure out the super two estimated cutoff and the Actual FA cutoff for 2019?
FA cutoff is a fixed number, its like a 172 or 174 days on the roster, forget the number off the top of my head. Super two is a fluid cutoff based on service time and to
22% so that will have to be estimated
How often is a kids career effed u
Because they waited a month or two too long before he debuted? In a perfect world, your Ml squad is so stacked anyone in the minors has to FORCE their way up, instead of it being handed to them. Thats how it SHOULD be.
It may take some time, but every indication is we are going back to Sandys early years when he was actually able to implement. A refocus on ORGANIZATION, and pride of being a Met. A shit ton of INSTRUCTIONALS on the farm. Growth, development an ignorance of what your stats say, it what your new age stats are saying. Taking care of the kids nutritionally, exercise, mentally, a winning attitude. Unfortunately A LOT has to be changed on every single level.
The good news, a lot of the talent on the farm will reap the benefits lot since for the most part they are all on the lower levels.
Can figure out the super two estimated cutoff and the Actual FA cutoff for 2019?
FA cutoff is a fixed number, its like a 172 or 174 days on the roster, forget the number off the top of my head. Super two is a fluid cutoff based on service time and to
22% so that will have to be estimated
FA date is roughly mid-April (2 - 3 weeks), Super 2 is roughly 60 days into the season.
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I wouldn't be interested in Realmuto if it cost mets top prospects, but if it was Alonso as the center piece I'd do it.
Alonso may have prodigious power, but that's not how today's MLB world series are won.
So, I doubt that gets it done for the Mets, but I wouldn't trade much more
Maybe the market dries up and the Mets benefit, but you also don't need the best catcher in the league. The Red Sox catchers all had lower fWAR than the Mets catchers.
Leon did have a borderline GG season for the Sox though. Here's a pretty good write-up from Mark Simon on the trend of top defensive backup catchers, that's the type of guy I'd personally be looking to pair with Plawecki as opposed to dealing prospects. There's a pretty healthy number of FA who graded out better than Realmuto defensively.
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The thing about baseballs best defensive catchers in 2018 was that they didnt play a lot. Of the five who had the most Defensive Runs Saved, only one (Mike Zunino, who wasnt a finalist) was an everyday catcher. Teams are going to much more of a platoon system. Ten years ago, 23 catchers made 90 starts. This year, only 15 did.
If youre going just by skill and factoring out playing time, Jeff Mathis of the Diamondbacks (17 Defensive Runs Saved, best pitch-blocker in MLB) and Sandy Leon of the Red Sox (12 DRS), probably should have won. If were picking among the finalists, Buster Posey (10 DRS) and Martin Maldonado (3 DRS), both previous winners, were arguably better choices.
Gold Glove selections are getting better, but not every winner was the most deserving ($) - ( New Window )
Yes, exactly what I'd do, stop the parade around the base paths with a solid defensive catcher. I'd prefer one who isn't a black hole offensively, but nonetheless, if I could get Realmmuto for Alonso + lesser pieces (not Gimenez) I'd do it in a heartbeat, but otherwise I'd be fine with a lesser catcher, but one who is solid defensively, particularly pitch framing and throwing out runners.
3 for 45 for Grandal
Not sure what Heyman was smoking when he put those together
That seems pretty low for Grandal too doesn't it? Im expecting he get s a lot more than that. Id be ok with that deal actually.
Yes defense is nice, speed is nice, attitude... ect. ect. but at the end of the day we didn't hit in 2018, AGAIN, Cespedes is likely missing the majority of the year and we are very LH hitting heavy.
I can't think of a single good reason to trade Alonso. He likely hits 20 HR by accident in his rookie year. He's going to mash.
Yes, exactly what I'd do, stop the parade around the base paths with a solid defensive catcher. I'd prefer one who isn't a black hole offensively, but nonetheless, if I could get Realmmuto for Alonso + lesser pieces (not Gimenez) I'd do it in a heartbeat, but otherwise I'd be fine with a lesser catcher, but one who is solid defensively, particularly pitch framing and throwing out runners.
Yea to me this + adding 2 of the top relievers are the no-brainers of the offseason. Plenty of options available for both that only cost middle of the road $. It's likely you could get both taken care of without needing to give out more than a 3 year deal. Fixes 2 of the ways we made life for our starters harder than it needed to be this year (and many others the past decades).
Yes defense is nice, speed is nice, attitude... ect. ect. but at the end of the day we didn't hit in 2018, AGAIN, Cespedes is likely missing the majority of the year and we are very LH hitting heavy.
I can't think of a single good reason to trade Alonso. He likely hits 20 HR by accident in his rookie year. He's going to mash.
I tend to agree and think it's really unlikely I'd trade Alonso, but it all depends on which way they go. In the very unlikely event they add Machado for example and use most of their budget for that, it's a lot easier to trade Alonso to fill another need. But I'd say it's 90% or more than Alonso leads the team in games at 1st next year.
agree, fix that too.
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We need a RH power bat in the middle of our lineup more than just about anything else.
Yes defense is nice, speed is nice, attitude... ect. ect. but at the end of the day we didn't hit in 2018, AGAIN, Cespedes is likely missing the majority of the year and we are very LH hitting heavy.
I can't think of a single good reason to trade Alonso. He likely hits 20 HR by accident in his rookie year. He's going to mash.
I tend to agree and think it's really unlikely I'd trade Alonso, but it all depends on which way they go. In the very unlikely event they add Machado for example and use most of their budget for that, it's a lot easier to trade Alonso to fill another need. But I'd say it's 90% or more than Alonso leads the team in games at 1st next year.
I hope so. I mean we desperately need a RH power bat, he seems very close, and 1B is just there and open for him. Even with Machado, I think Alsono fits in just beautifully at 1B. I think we know Smith isnt the answer at this point. Alonso is just too close at a position of need to deal at this point unless its part of a huge no brainer deal, ect.
I actually think the organization is middle infield rich in prospects but legitimate power guys rarely come through. I would deal from a position of strength.
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But the parade around the bases is just as much on the starting pitchers. We are simply awful, awful, awful at holding runners on. Laughable.
agree, fix that too.
How? Trade guys like Syndergaard? Matz? They are all pretty bad. Hopefully, they do improve, if even somewhat.
Thats what has been reported by Jim Bowden (though no other insiders have confirmed yet)
-Sign Machado 10/300
-Sign Familia 3/42
-Sign Miller 3/38
Dump Frazier and Flores. Come to terms with Wright. (payout his remaining two years over 5-6 years)
1.) Nimmo CF
2.) McNeil 2B
3.) Machado 3B
4.) Conforto LF
5.) Realmuto C
6.) Bruce RF
7.) Alonso 1B
8.) Rosario SS
:)
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But the parade around the bases is just as much on the starting pitchers. We are simply awful, awful, awful at holding runners on. Laughable.
agree, fix that too.
How? Trade guys like Syndergaard? Matz? They are all pretty bad. Hopefully, they do improve, if even somewhat.
Coaching. It has to be coachable, right? or the Mets just magically have all pitchers who can't hold runners?
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Mets need to be in it, even if its to drive the price way up for the Phils
I wish the nl would institute the designated hitter already. It's supposed to be coming.
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on Machado and Harper.
Yikes.
Mets need to be in it, even if its to drive the price way up for the Phils
The Dodgers, Yankees and Red Sox will probably do that.
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None thanks the stupid contract rules. I thought I read this year it would be May 20th but that's just from memory.
Cmicks pal Adam Fisher argued against Riggleman essentially calling him a "loser" (not as a human being).
Someone who lives and breathes baseball, knows the rulebook inside and out, his been to the promised land a bunch of times, and now is content to put on a uniform, sit in a dugout, and impart wisdom.
Someone who lives and breathes baseball, knows the rulebook inside and out, his been to the promised land a bunch of times, and now is content to put on a uniform, sit in a dugout, and impart wisdom.
I want Dusty Baker. Flaws and all the guy was ALWAYS winning games and has managed in the NL for 22 seasons.
It's possible but I think it's sincere. Alonso has potential 30 homer pop and the Mets are pretty limited in minor league talent that is anywhere near ready in terms of position players. I think the Mets have done a piss poor job displaying confidence in their younger players and that includes guys like Nimmo and Conforto who have proven them "wrong".
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needs a guy like Zimmer to be bench coach.
Someone who lives and breathes baseball, knows the rulebook inside and out, his been to the promised land a bunch of times, and now is content to put on a uniform, sit in a dugout, and impart wisdom.
I want Dusty Baker. Flaws and all the guy was ALWAYS winning games and has managed in the NL for 22 seasons.
Yeah, he'd be great in that role. Just keep him away from the bullpen.
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needs a guy like Zimmer to be bench coach.
Someone who lives and breathes baseball, knows the rulebook inside and out, his been to the promised land a bunch of times, and now is content to put on a uniform, sit in a dugout, and impart wisdom.
I want Dusty Baker. Flaws and all the guy was ALWAYS winning games and has managed in the NL for 22 seasons.
Yeah, he'd be great in that role. Just keep him away from the bullpen.
I'd like to believe Mickey/Eiland have enough experience in dealing with pitchers that it wouldn't be an issue. Dusty seems to keep his players loose and he obviously knows the game. He's also likely less of a threat to Mickey than a younger guy but also competent enough where if you do have to make an in-season move you can trust Dusty to be able to handle it.
"They begged me not to throw him out"
Disclaimer: I am not advocating bringing Wally Backman back and I believe these videos are now 12 years old.
In all seriousness, someone like Riggleman isn't a terrible idea. These moves aren't franchise altering but I am certainly pleased they are exploring improvement in all areas. Obviously we have an entire off-season ahead of us but I am happy to see some activity.
I love your Dusty suggestion.
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in the spring and is in opening day lineup?
None thanks the stupid contract rules. I thought I read this year it would be May 20th but that's just from memory.
Keep in mind the two cutoffs, you have super two and you have the free agency cutoff mid April.
He should be up as soon as possible since he's already going to be 30 when he hits free agency assuming he makes the roster opening day.
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in the spring and is in opening day lineup?
None thanks the stupid contract rules. I thought I read this year it would be May 20th but that's just from memory.
Keep in mind the two cutoffs, you have super two and you have the free agency cutoff mid April.
I've heard since September they would keep him down until May if they didn't call him up in Sept. Sounds about right.
I thought it was a month, no? That's 15% of the season.
Best case scenario. Dom actually holds his own. And Alonso is ripping the cover off the ball in Syr. You can actually wait till super 2 to call him up. A really win win for everyone but Alonso, who got to perfect his deficiencies even further.
Thats all logic and super basic stuff. But those things are almost always looked over for much more complicated solutions.
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Its just a couple weeks, its really no big deal
Its not, but lets say it is
And Alonso comes out of the gate as an All Star 6 War player. He misses the first month of the season. It cost the Mets 1/6, or one win. To the team, its 1-2 wins on the field, to the FO it cost them $8mm. But gained them not only an extra year of control before FA. If hes a six win player (unlikely), how important is that year vs month? Even if he is a 2-3 win player, how Important is that year of control?
I thought it was a month, no? That's 15% of the season.
Best case scenario. Dom actually holds his own. And Alonso is ripping the cover off the ball in Syr. You can actually wait till super 2 to call him up. A really win win for everyone but Alonso, who got to perfect his deficiencies even further.
Thats all logic and super basic stuff. But those things are almost always looked over for much more complicated solutions.
I agree with this. As someone who wanted Alonso up last year, I actually am less urgent in wanting him to him breaking ST with the team in April because I'd rather see him get off to a hot start before coming up to the big leagues.
FA cutoff is a fixed number, its like a 172 or 174 days on the roster, forget the number off the top of my head. Super two is a fluid cutoff based on service time and to
22% so that will have to be estimated
if you think the Mets are not wild card contenders sure protect the $8M.
Because they waited a month or two too long before he debuted? In a perfect world, your Ml squad is so stacked anyone in the minors has to FORCE their way up, instead of it being handed to them. Thats how it SHOULD be.
It may take some time, but every indication is we are going back to Sandys early years when he was actually able to implement. A refocus on ORGANIZATION, and pride of being a Met. A shit ton of INSTRUCTIONALS on the farm. Growth, development an ignorance of what your stats say, it what your new age stats are saying. Taking care of the kids nutritionally, exercise, mentally, a winning attitude. Unfortunately A LOT has to be changed on every single level.
The good news, a lot of the talent on the farm will reap the benefits lot since for the most part they are all on the lower levels.
FA cutoff is a fixed number, its like a 172 or 174 days on the roster, forget the number off the top of my head. Super two is a fluid cutoff based on service time and to
22% so that will have to be estimated
FA date is roughly mid-April (2 - 3 weeks), Super 2 is roughly 60 days into the season.