This is not to say I dont recognize it as a major need. But after seeing what last year's class looks like SO FAR and seeing what has happened to teams that chased the dream of a "franchise QB" and watched that player fail setting them back another half decade, we have a chance to side step that mistake. We have a lot of talent in important positions and I think we did the right thing by selling (even if we sold low) on important players like Snacks and Apple. It would be foolish to force-pick a QB who middles or worst case straight busts and we are selling again in 4 or 5 years.
Herbert has all the talent in the world, but he is quite raw. Daniel Jones is quite polished and makes good decisions, but he hasn't produced because he has NOBODY to throw to and his line has looked awful. Will Grier throws the ball deep beautifully and can move, but he doesnt seem to make NFL decisions. None of those guys are guys you should 100% spend a top ten pick on when you have the other needs that we do. You can make a case for Herbert being the exception because of his arm talent and mobility plus the Shurmur QB whisperer angle. But if he doesnt have the head, you lose out on drafting a guy like Ed Oliver or Nick Bosa....or the Tackle from Bama...or, best case, the chance to trade down with someone like Denver or Miami for their first next year plus and draft a much better QB in Tua.
I dont want to hear about wasting another year of Beckham's or Barkley's prime either. Whats worse? Burning one more year or 5 years of their primes? I just think that bypassing all of the talented defenders in this draft to draft a project is silly and will haunt us for years.
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That is revisionist history to make the pick more palatable.
There was serious debate that included 6 or 7 players.
Lmfao! No....there really wasn't a debate. There was alittle bit of talk about Quentin Nelson being that and the only guy who felt strongly about it was Mayock.
I also dont think you are being honest with yourself if you believe that.
I agree with chopper...oddly. SB was the easy pick and least risky pick and an unbelievable talent pick. He was as plug and play a draft pick as
SB was possibly the least risky pick, yes. But as I have said often the value of an elite RB is capped in the NFL as we see that replacement level is high. Many teams function well with a committee of average backs, and often do better running the ball than teams with a bell cow. Add to that the shorter career for RBs and taking one so high is now an unorthodox thing to do. This is why Leveon Bell is not getting his huge contract and why RBs are paid less than other positions.
Yes he was the "safe" pick, like DG was the "safe" pick and Shurmur was the "safe" pick and where did that get the giants? Nowhere with the team playing WORSE than last year if that's possible. It is time to start thinking outside the box with this organization because right now the future looks dismal with this FO.
the weekly (daily) "was Barkley the correct choice at 2"
"We win out and win the NFC East"
"wimpy schedule - get on a roll"
All these posts dictate our future and where we go in the off season.
The subject/discussion is not wanting the QB and if there is no sure-fire consensus franchise QB, then I think there are alternate paths to success with the team's construction. I mentioned the 2 posts about our coming games and final record as it has an impact on our pick. I am really a big believer in getting a winning culture back on the team. I think a strong finish, even if not making the playoffs, would be a tremendous positive for the team.
Now I can accept this as debatable but I don't think DG, Shurmur, Mara are under any illusions that Eli Manning can be counted on in 2019 as the QB going forward. If they wind up going with Daniel Jones from Duke, I have read (I believe here) that Eli was high on him, maybe he plays the "Kurt Warner" role that was done for him back in 2004. If a successful second half, lowers our draft choice, maybe the "pressure" of making the QB pick would be alleviated. (Although DG didn't subscribe this year).
I don't want to chase fools gold but back to back seasons with 3 wins or less is something I would rather avoid.
I agree with JonC - build the OL, DL, running game and a good D. Bring in Bridgewater or explore a trade for Brissett. Screw the media type like Raanan and look at Lauletta.
As frustrating as this offense is, I, as a fan, get really deflated at other teams converting on 3rd and long. How many times do we have teams in 3rd and 17 or more and they convert a 21 yard play?
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after 8 games it was a mistake to draft any of the quarterbacks. If that all the time you re going to give a young quarterback to show if he has it or not, you should definitely never draft a quarterback
Me, I would be willing to wait a game or two more
No I didnt say that either. I am saying that I dont think that any of the QBs this year were better picks than Barkley FOR THE GIANTS, and that its not loking like any of the top QB prospects THIS year stand out from the truly great prospects that will be in the top 3-5 of this year's draft.
Your reading comprehension sucks. Ive noticed it in some of your other posts.
Time for a little benzodiazepine?