The Giants organization owes a massive apology to Eli for sabotaging the last 6 years of his career. Disgraceful.
Again... worried about sabotaging the career of a man who has made tens of millions in the process. Meanwhile, the Giants organization essentially STOLE from its season ticket holders with the product they put on the field. That is why they owe an apology (and a partial refund) to.
The Giants organization owes a massive apology to Eli for sabotaging the last 6 years of his career. Disgraceful.
Eli owes an eternal debt of gratitude to Strahan Tuck Osi Kiwanuka Webster Rolle Madison and the other defensive stars who elevated those two teams to super bowl champs
The Giants organization owes a massive apology to Eli for sabotaging the last 6 years of his career. Disgraceful.
Eli owes an eternal debt of gratitude to Strahan Tuck Osi Kiwanuka Webster Rolle Madison and the other defensive stars who elevated those two teams to super bowl champs
Yeah Sam Madison and Mathias kiwunuka were more instrumental than elinfor our two Super Bowls.
The Giants organization owes a massive apology to Eli for sabotaging the last 6 years of his career. Disgraceful.
Again... worried about sabotaging the career of a man who has made tens of millions in the process. Meanwhile, the Giants organization essentially STOLE from its season ticket holders with the product they put on the field. That is why they owe an apology (and a partial refund) to.
You do realize that by sabotaging Eli's career they were in turn actually causing the product on the field you're bitching about?
The Giants organization owes a massive apology to Eli for sabotaging the last 6 years of his career. Disgraceful.
Eli owes an eternal debt of gratitude to Strahan Tuck Osi Kiwanuka Webster Rolle Madison and the other defensive stars who elevated those two teams to super bowl champs
The Giants organization owes a massive apology to Eli for sabotaging the last 6 years of his career. Disgraceful.
Eli owes an eternal debt of gratitude to Strahan Tuck Osi Kiwanuka Webster Rolle Madison and the other defensive stars who elevated those two teams to super bowl champs
Do you even watch football? How do you make this case for 2011, an all time great quarterbacking SEASON by Eli? Or are you just a troll I'm unfamiliar with?
The Giants organization owes a massive apology to Eli for sabotaging the last 6 years of his career. Disgraceful.
Eli owes an eternal debt of gratitude to Strahan Tuck Osi Kiwanuka Webster Rolle Madison and the other defensive stars who elevated those two teams to super bowl champs
You're one of the worst posters on this board. Congrats!
is just the wrong line of thinking: they failed themselves and their fans in putting a good team together. The extra special concern for any single player is wrong headed. They did not ‘sabotage’ anything that implies deliberately being bad and that is just not true.
is just the wrong line of thinking: they failed themselves and their fans in putting a good team together. The extra special concern for any single player is wrong headed. They did not ‘sabotage’ anything that implies deliberately being bad and that is just not true.
Symantics. The idea of sabotage is the mere fact that Reese failed to invest in the offensive line for years. Then when he finally did he reached for guys like Pugh, Richburg and Flowers. Understanding that the offensive line is the engine of a football team and when you can run and psd protect your can control the game. Reese actually had a draft where he didn't draft an offensive or defensive linemen!!! WTF is that? Then he passed in Ramchyk to get Engram, Tunsil to get Apple.
The Gettlemen says things like: Run the ball, stop the run and rush the passer. This is music to our ears. However, the gig didn't come with a magic wand. Solder, Hernandez while inconsistent are part of the solution. We need a real Center ( ask Matt Ryan if having Alex Mack is helpful ) a Right Guard and Right Tackle. Barkley will be happy and unfortunately Eli may not be here to enjoy the line, kinda like Coughlin didn't get to enjoy the additions of Jenkins, Vernon and Snacks in 2016.
semantics are highly relevant. it’s a bs narrative. The ny giants did fine by Eli. they won two championships with him.
lebron winning only one championship with cleveland where the owner did not commit to surrounding him with decent talent in his first stint resembles sabotage, even if that is far fetched.
they certainly failed to field a competitive team the last few years. who is arguing that? they just were not very good.
semantics are highly relevant. it’s a bs narrative. The ny giants did fine by Eli. they won two championships with him.
lebron winning only one championship with cleveland where the owner did not commit to surrounding him with decent talent in his first stint resembles sabotage, even if that is far fetched.
they certainly failed to field a competitive team the last few years. who is arguing that? they just were not very good.
Giants did fine by Eli? Ok, so they didn't want to win more championships? 2 was enough? The failure to provide a viable O Line of the past 6-7 years is pathetic. In fact they have been poor at drafting LB's since 1993. This may be a scouting issue I am not sure but failing to support a " Pocket Passer " with a pocket is similar to sabotage.
The Giants sabotaged/betrayed themselves AND the fans by not protecting their most valuable asset who was coming into his prime and only 31 years old in 2011.
You guys have been going on and on and one for months about Franchise QB this, franchise QB that, have to have one, can't win without one.
We fucking had one you dolts! And the organization failed to do the one thing they needed to do and protect that asset.
at least we were incredibly fortunate to win 2 SBs with a good QB.
Beyond the examples I listed earlier, I can list players of greater skills and status than Eli who never got their hands on the silver. And played with organizations who also tried and failed.
coming off 2011, they were so damn dialed in, and the ONLY thing that could derail it was an offensive line that couldn't block for it to continue.... That's the one thing they couldn't afford to have happen, and it did.
We started every damn season up until 2012 at 6-2.... Â
YES clearly the Giants intentionally tried to be bad during the years of 2012-18. Ridiculous. Am I suggesting that?
Two super bowls is a good haul for a qb era, superior players like Rodgers and Marino have less. Those teams, btw, did not sabotage anything for their players. they simply failed to win more or at all. Fairly common in sports.
Clearly the Giants failed in fielding a contending team, but in fact, they invested plenty of resources in both the line and in offensive players on offense to give a window for their qb. In fact tried to extend it when a logical argument could have been made to move on.
The argument of sabotage would imply some level of disservice to such a superior player (see Lebron example above or Barry Sanders), or some form of tanking that they conducted, neither of which applies here.
being dialed in from 2009-2012 is fine, and not argued. It was not a given that it should last anything longer than that.
The issues were more than the line. they lost Nicks and Manningham two big weapons and Cruz lost effectiveness asa result. And schematically Gilbride's offense could not exist without vertical threats, the combination of the decline of the o line, losing bradshaw and then losing cruz without enough quality players was the end of a good run.
this is nothing unqiue in sports though, continued sustained excellence is not a given you are presuming it to be.
than me. I've been pounding them for 20+ years for their inability to produce a consistently good, winning product. So welcome to the party. Next time you start drooling over what a great owner and guy Mara is think about this conversation.
Somehow, despite this front office, a deal was made with the football Gods to win two of the most improbable SBs ever. So at least Eli got those on his resume.
And, again, players of greater skills and ability never came close to that good fortune...
YES clearly the Giants intentionally tried to be bad during the years of 2012-18. Ridiculous. Am I suggesting that?
Two super bowls is a good haul for a qb era, superior players like Rodgers and Marino have less. Those teams, btw, did not sabotage anything for their players. they simply failed to win more or at all. Fairly common in sports.
Clearly the Giants failed in fielding a contending team, but in fact, they invested plenty of resources in both the line and in offensive players on offense to give a window for their qb. In fact tried to extend it when a logical argument could have been made to move on.
The argument of sabotage would imply some level of disservice to such a superior player (see Lebron example above or Barry Sanders), or some form of tanking that they conducted, neither of which applies here.
Hassan,
Your post seemed to suggest contentment with 2 rings and that oh well Eli had his moment in the sun. I know what you mean, we should feel fortunate, and I am a fan who does feel fortunate. I am also a fan that also sees the reality of our situation: failure by Jerry Reese, Marc Ross to draft well over and over again. Look at our roster even before Apple and Flowers were sent packing. Only a few players from Reese's last 5 drafts still on the team: OBJ, Shep, Engram, Gallman, Tomlinson, Collins, Goodson.....that's it. Heck, I'll give him credit for DeOssie and Wynn as well. 9 players! Horrid!
No offensive linemen. Pathetic!
I think Gettlemen will continue to build the O Line and hopefully find a young QB to take over assuming Lauletta isn't him.
Either way, the reality is the Giants failed and building the lines. Failed. This is why we are 1-7 for the 2nd year in a row.
That picture looks like a battle scene from Braveheart. Â
there is no argument that NYG failed in building a line. No one is arguing organizational ineptitude.
Its more complicated than just that though. Nicks, Cruz Manningham, David Wilson, Chad Jones, Terrell Thomas all fell to horrendous injuries.
they failed to build depth at wr with multiple busts like Jernigan, Barden, and semi busts like Randle.
they failed to draft well at corner, holsey and apple come to mind, defensive ends like sintim and moore, te like beckhum and robinson.
And not to stir our favorite debate up but #10 also gets his fair share of blame. He's simple not as good as he was in his prime for at least three seasons running.
But again, its not as if NYG produced a juggernaut team in 07 and 11 that another title was a given anyway. New Orleans and Philadelphia, two organizations much more consistent than NYG over last decasde have only won once each. That should be something of a barometer. This notion 'Eli was destined for another' is poppycock.....better to recognize the long odds in the wins he had and a lot of things factor into winning championships.
that is no dig on Manning. football is not the type of game where an individual talent can will a team to a championship save LT in 86, the closest to a one man gang out there (and he was surrounded by great talent as well). Just some of the revisionism and narrative is downright scary at this point.
there is no argument that NYG failed in building a line. No one is arguing organizational ineptitude.
Its more complicated than just that though. Nicks, Cruz Manningham, David Wilson, Chad Jones, Terrell Thomas all fell to horrendous injuries.
they failed to build depth at wr with multiple busts like Jernigan, Barden, and semi busts like Randle.
they failed to draft well at corner, holsey and apple come to mind, defensive ends like sintim and moore, te like beckhum and robinson.
And not to stir our favorite debate up but #10 also gets his fair share of blame. He's simple not as good as he was in his prime for at least three seasons running.
But again, its not as if NYG produced a juggernaut team in 07 and 11 that another title was a given anyway. New Orleans and Philadelphia, two organizations much more consistent than NYG over last decasde have only won once each. That should be something of a barometer. This notion 'Eli was destined for another' is poppycock.....better to recognize the long odds in the wins he had and a lot of things factor into winning championships.
I am by no way saying Eli wins another super bowl, but we should be way more competitive than we are. The NFC East is a sad division. We have talent but never have a lead, can't run the ball and can't control the clock or line of scrimmage. Many issues would disappear if we a semblance of a professional O Line
But again, its not as if NYG produced a juggernaut team in 07 and 11 that another title was a given anyway. New Orleans and Philadelphia, two organizations much more consistent than NYG over last decasde have only won once each. That should be something of a barometer. This notion 'Eli was destined for another' is poppycock.....better to recognize the long odds in the wins he had and a lot of things factor into winning championships.
Spot on. People seem to believe that somehow, the Giants left a guaranteed title or two on the table because of organizational bumbling of the OL.
Since the 2004 draft that yielded Eli, BR, Rivers - Rivers has none. Rodgers 1, and Eli and BR 2. Brees was before that, and only has 1.
Only Brady has more than 2. That's a lot of excellent, sustained QB play in there, and only one QB out of all of them has more than 2 SB victories.
It's silly to assume that the Giants left trophies on the table. The best example of a lost title was the one in 2008, and it had nothing to do with the OL. While there was a chance some better drafting and a stronger line could have returned another title, that's a dream more than a gimme.
while the o line is clearly a problem, the obvious fact the Giants were nowhere near the best team in the league when they won their super bowls is seemingly lost on people; it’s as the greatness of the team was manifest destiny and squandered only by a weak o line.
Truly nonsensical stuff here. Granted, fielding a better team MAY have led to some more interesting post seasons in recent years, but this notion it was a given, and the fact the Giants’ fans misery is now hard to take are so me of the worst lines of thinking i have seeen around here.
But again, its not as if NYG produced a juggernaut team in 07 and 11 that another title was a given anyway. New Orleans and Philadelphia, two organizations much more consistent than NYG over last decasde have only won once each. That should be something of a barometer. This notion 'Eli was destined for another' is poppycock.....better to recognize the long odds in the wins he had and a lot of things factor into winning championships.
Spot on. People seem to believe that somehow, the Giants left a guaranteed title or two on the table because of organizational bumbling of the OL.
Since the 2004 draft that yielded Eli, BR, Rivers - Rivers has none. Rodgers 1, and Eli and BR 2. Brees was before that, and only has 1.
Only Brady has more than 2. That's a lot of excellent, sustained QB play in there, and only one QB out of all of them has more than 2 SB victories.
It's silly to assume that the Giants left trophies on the table. The best example of a lost title was the one in 2008, and it had nothing to do with the OL. While there was a chance some better drafting and a stronger line could have returned another title, that's a dream more than a gimme.
The Giants weren't a juggernaut, but they were in the postseason 5/7 years between 2005 and 2011.
And considering that they caught fire in 2 of those seasons, isn't consistent postseason play the name of the game?
As I said, between 2004 and 2012, the Giants started every year 6-2. That gets you in pretty good position for a postseason play.
2013 when the line was gone? 0-6, and look at the struggling starts since.
The name of the game is consistent postseason play, because we had the guy under center that could light up when he got there.
And one of those years they missed the playoffs at 10-6. Â
Lots of coaches from the same time period are still humming along, because they were able to keep a consistent roster and handle turnover to allow them to keep running our system.
Jerry Reese and Marc Ross had a DECADE of terrible drafting.
But again, its not as if NYG produced a juggernaut team in 07 and 11 that another title was a given anyway. New Orleans and Philadelphia, two organizations much more consistent than NYG over last decasde have only won once each. That should be something of a barometer. This notion 'Eli was destined for another' is poppycock.....better to recognize the long odds in the wins he had and a lot of things factor into winning championships.
Spot on. People seem to believe that somehow, the Giants left a guaranteed title or two on the table because of organizational bumbling of the OL.
Since the 2004 draft that yielded Eli, BR, Rivers - Rivers has none. Rodgers 1, and Eli and BR 2. Brees was before that, and only has 1.
Only Brady has more than 2. That's a lot of excellent, sustained QB play in there, and only one QB out of all of them has more than 2 SB victories.
It's silly to assume that the Giants left trophies on the table. The best example of a lost title was the one in 2008, and it had nothing to do with the OL. While there was a chance some better drafting and a stronger line could have returned another title, that's a dream more than a gimme.
Great post Britt. I remember hearing the Gilbride told front office to replenish the OL and he was handed Mitch Petrus and James Brewer. Sad.
The Giants weren't a juggernaut, but they were in the postseason 5/7 years between 2005 and 2011.
And considering that they caught fire in 2 of those seasons, isn't consistent postseason play the name of the game?
As I said, between 2004 and 2012, the Giants started every year 6-2. That gets you in pretty good position for a postseason play.
2013 when the line was gone? 0-6, and look at the struggling starts since.
The name of the game is consistent postseason play, because we had the guy under center that could light up when he got there.
The Giants organization owes a massive apology to Eli for sabotaging the last 6 years of his career. Disgraceful.
Eli owes an eternal debt of gratitude to Strahan Tuck Osi Kiwanuka Webster Rolle Madison and the other defensive stars who elevated those two teams to super bowl champs
This is exactly why you cannot get mad or upset about what some posters say on this board. You just can’t fix stupid.
that a system never fails players do is also nonsense. i guess the Giants could continue to run a wing t then?
Gilbride was a run n shoot guy a system the nfl had gotten away from. he modified it quite a bit but it still runs counter to most of what is happening especially given how easy it is to pass in the middle of the field vs the past.
it worked for a window and that run came to an end. talent was a bigger part of it but that scheme does not maximize what can be done to attack a defense under current rules.
The Cowboys of the 90s also came to an end after 6-7 years. so did the 70s steelers. As did the 80s giants. the aughts Giants were the least dominant of the teams mentioned so i don’t get the hand wringing.
Certainly look like some hogs rolling around in the mud.
Again... worried about sabotaging the career of a man who has made tens of millions in the process. Meanwhile, the Giants organization essentially STOLE from its season ticket holders with the product they put on the field. That is why they owe an apology (and a partial refund) to.
Great fans we have here.
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The Giants organization owes a massive apology to Eli for sabotaging the last 6 years of his career. Disgraceful.
Eli owes an eternal debt of gratitude to Strahan Tuck Osi Kiwanuka Webster Rolle Madison and the other defensive stars who elevated those two teams to super bowl champs
Yeah Sam Madison and Mathias kiwunuka were more instrumental than elinfor our two Super Bowls.
What a fucking shitty fan you are.
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The Giants organization owes a massive apology to Eli for sabotaging the last 6 years of his career. Disgraceful.
Again... worried about sabotaging the career of a man who has made tens of millions in the process. Meanwhile, the Giants organization essentially STOLE from its season ticket holders with the product they put on the field. That is why they owe an apology (and a partial refund) to.
You do realize that by sabotaging Eli's career they were in turn actually causing the product on the field you're bitching about?
I mean, franchise QB blah blah blah and all....
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The Giants organization owes a massive apology to Eli for sabotaging the last 6 years of his career. Disgraceful.
Eli owes an eternal debt of gratitude to Strahan Tuck Osi Kiwanuka Webster Rolle Madison and the other defensive stars who elevated those two teams to super bowl champs
You are an insufferable fan.
Hopefully. They could get clear cap room. A team with 4 wins over the past 2 years has cap issues. Go figure.
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The Giants organization owes a massive apology to Eli for sabotaging the last 6 years of his career. Disgraceful.
Eli owes an eternal debt of gratitude to Strahan Tuck Osi Kiwanuka Webster Rolle Madison and the other defensive stars who elevated those two teams to super bowl champs
Do you even watch football? How do you make this case for 2011, an all time great quarterbacking SEASON by Eli? Or are you just a troll I'm unfamiliar with?
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The Giants organization owes a massive apology to Eli for sabotaging the last 6 years of his career. Disgraceful.
Eli owes an eternal debt of gratitude to Strahan Tuck Osi Kiwanuka Webster Rolle Madison and the other defensive stars who elevated those two teams to super bowl champs
You're one of the worst posters on this board. Congrats!
Symantics. The idea of sabotage is the mere fact that Reese failed to invest in the offensive line for years. Then when he finally did he reached for guys like Pugh, Richburg and Flowers. Understanding that the offensive line is the engine of a football team and when you can run and psd protect your can control the game. Reese actually had a draft where he didn't draft an offensive or defensive linemen!!! WTF is that? Then he passed in Ramchyk to get Engram, Tunsil to get Apple.
The Gettlemen says things like: Run the ball, stop the run and rush the passer. This is music to our ears. However, the gig didn't come with a magic wand. Solder, Hernandez while inconsistent are part of the solution. We need a real Center ( ask Matt Ryan if having Alex Mack is helpful ) a Right Guard and Right Tackle. Barkley will be happy and unfortunately Eli may not be here to enjoy the line, kinda like Coughlin didn't get to enjoy the additions of Jenkins, Vernon and Snacks in 2016.
Just like he demanded a trade in the draft.
lebron winning only one championship with cleveland where the owner did not commit to surrounding him with decent talent in his first stint resembles sabotage, even if that is far fetched.
they certainly failed to field a competitive team the last few years. who is arguing that? they just were not very good.
lebron winning only one championship with cleveland where the owner did not commit to surrounding him with decent talent in his first stint resembles sabotage, even if that is far fetched.
they certainly failed to field a competitive team the last few years. who is arguing that? they just were not very good.
Giants did fine by Eli? Ok, so they didn't want to win more championships? 2 was enough? The failure to provide a viable O Line of the past 6-7 years is pathetic. In fact they have been poor at drafting LB's since 1993. This may be a scouting issue I am not sure but failing to support a " Pocket Passer " with a pocket is similar to sabotage.
Try being Dan Fouts and having an organization that couldn't field a competent defense.
Try being a great passer like Ken Anderson who just happened to play in the AFC in the '70s when the Steelers were a powerhouse.
This narrative that Eli was somehow betrayed is utter bullsh-t...
You guys have been going on and on and one for months about Franchise QB this, franchise QB that, have to have one, can't win without one.
We fucking had one you dolts! And the organization failed to do the one thing they needed to do and protect that asset.
It's pretty simple.
Beyond the examples I listed earlier, I can list players of greater skills and status than Eli who never got their hands on the silver. And played with organizations who also tried and failed.
This pity party for poor Eli is really pathetic.
2013 with a shit o-line? 0-6 for the first time ever for Coughlin.
How anybody can't see the complete failure here and instead wants to worry about "pity parties, sabotages, and betrayals" is being stupid.
We could have had a shot at another couple of deep postseason runs if we could have just kept the stupid line going.
Two super bowls is a good haul for a qb era, superior players like Rodgers and Marino have less. Those teams, btw, did not sabotage anything for their players. they simply failed to win more or at all. Fairly common in sports.
Clearly the Giants failed in fielding a contending team, but in fact, they invested plenty of resources in both the line and in offensive players on offense to give a window for their qb. In fact tried to extend it when a logical argument could have been made to move on.
The argument of sabotage would imply some level of disservice to such a superior player (see Lebron example above or Barry Sanders), or some form of tanking that they conducted, neither of which applies here.
The issues were more than the line. they lost Nicks and Manningham two big weapons and Cruz lost effectiveness asa result. And schematically Gilbride's offense could not exist without vertical threats, the combination of the decline of the o line, losing bradshaw and then losing cruz without enough quality players was the end of a good run.
this is nothing unqiue in sports though, continued sustained excellence is not a given you are presuming it to be.
Somehow, despite this front office, a deal was made with the football Gods to win two of the most improbable SBs ever. So at least Eli got those on his resume.
And, again, players of greater skills and ability never came close to that good fortune...
Two super bowls is a good haul for a qb era, superior players like Rodgers and Marino have less. Those teams, btw, did not sabotage anything for their players. they simply failed to win more or at all. Fairly common in sports.
Clearly the Giants failed in fielding a contending team, but in fact, they invested plenty of resources in both the line and in offensive players on offense to give a window for their qb. In fact tried to extend it when a logical argument could have been made to move on.
The argument of sabotage would imply some level of disservice to such a superior player (see Lebron example above or Barry Sanders), or some form of tanking that they conducted, neither of which applies here.
Hassan,
Your post seemed to suggest contentment with 2 rings and that oh well Eli had his moment in the sun. I know what you mean, we should feel fortunate, and I am a fan who does feel fortunate. I am also a fan that also sees the reality of our situation: failure by Jerry Reese, Marc Ross to draft well over and over again. Look at our roster even before Apple and Flowers were sent packing. Only a few players from Reese's last 5 drafts still on the team: OBJ, Shep, Engram, Gallman, Tomlinson, Collins, Goodson.....that's it. Heck, I'll give him credit for DeOssie and Wynn as well. 9 players! Horrid!
No offensive linemen. Pathetic!
I think Gettlemen will continue to build the O Line and hopefully find a young QB to take over assuming Lauletta isn't him.
Either way, the reality is the Giants failed and building the lines. Failed. This is why we are 1-7 for the 2nd year in a row.
Its more complicated than just that though. Nicks, Cruz Manningham, David Wilson, Chad Jones, Terrell Thomas all fell to horrendous injuries.
they failed to build depth at wr with multiple busts like Jernigan, Barden, and semi busts like Randle.
they failed to draft well at corner, holsey and apple come to mind, defensive ends like sintim and moore, te like beckhum and robinson.
And not to stir our favorite debate up but #10 also gets his fair share of blame. He's simple not as good as he was in his prime for at least three seasons running.
But again, its not as if NYG produced a juggernaut team in 07 and 11 that another title was a given anyway. New Orleans and Philadelphia, two organizations much more consistent than NYG over last decasde have only won once each. That should be something of a barometer. This notion 'Eli was destined for another' is poppycock.....better to recognize the long odds in the wins he had and a lot of things factor into winning championships.
Its more complicated than just that though. Nicks, Cruz Manningham, David Wilson, Chad Jones, Terrell Thomas all fell to horrendous injuries.
they failed to build depth at wr with multiple busts like Jernigan, Barden, and semi busts like Randle.
they failed to draft well at corner, holsey and apple come to mind, defensive ends like sintim and moore, te like beckhum and robinson.
And not to stir our favorite debate up but #10 also gets his fair share of blame. He's simple not as good as he was in his prime for at least three seasons running.
But again, its not as if NYG produced a juggernaut team in 07 and 11 that another title was a given anyway. New Orleans and Philadelphia, two organizations much more consistent than NYG over last decasde have only won once each. That should be something of a barometer. This notion 'Eli was destined for another' is poppycock.....better to recognize the long odds in the wins he had and a lot of things factor into winning championships.
I am by no way saying Eli wins another super bowl, but we should be way more competitive than we are. The NFC East is a sad division. We have talent but never have a lead, can't run the ball and can't control the clock or line of scrimmage. Many issues would disappear if we a semblance of a professional O Line
2. Eli Manning, QB — $235.3 million. ...
3. Drew Brees, QB — $221.7 million. ...
4. Tom Brady, QB — $217.2 million. ...
5. Aaron Rodgers, QB — $204.0 million. ...
6. Philip Rivers, QB — $202.9 million. ...
7. Ben Roethlisberger, QB — $187.3 million. ...
Looks like he should be thanking the Giants to me. Tom Brady, on the other hand, should be livid.
But again, its not as if NYG produced a juggernaut team in 07 and 11 that another title was a given anyway. New Orleans and Philadelphia, two organizations much more consistent than NYG over last decasde have only won once each. That should be something of a barometer. This notion 'Eli was destined for another' is poppycock.....better to recognize the long odds in the wins he had and a lot of things factor into winning championships.
Spot on. People seem to believe that somehow, the Giants left a guaranteed title or two on the table because of organizational bumbling of the OL.
Since the 2004 draft that yielded Eli, BR, Rivers - Rivers has none. Rodgers 1, and Eli and BR 2. Brees was before that, and only has 1.
Only Brady has more than 2. That's a lot of excellent, sustained QB play in there, and only one QB out of all of them has more than 2 SB victories.
It's silly to assume that the Giants left trophies on the table. The best example of a lost title was the one in 2008, and it had nothing to do with the OL. While there was a chance some better drafting and a stronger line could have returned another title, that's a dream more than a gimme.
Truly nonsensical stuff here. Granted, fielding a better team MAY have led to some more interesting post seasons in recent years, but this notion it was a given, and the fact the Giants’ fans misery is now hard to take are so me of the worst lines of thinking i have seeen around here.
2. Eli Manning, QB — $235.3 million. ...
3. Drew Brees, QB — $221.7 million. ...
4. Tom Brady, QB — $217.2 million. ...
5. Aaron Rodgers, QB — $204.0 million. ...
6. Philip Rivers, QB — $202.9 million. ...
7. Ben Roethlisberger, QB — $187.3 million. ...
Looks like he should be thanking the Giants to me. Tom Brady, on the other hand, should be livid.
Yea Tom Brady should be furious ...
Gisele net worth: $360 Million
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But again, its not as if NYG produced a juggernaut team in 07 and 11 that another title was a given anyway. New Orleans and Philadelphia, two organizations much more consistent than NYG over last decasde have only won once each. That should be something of a barometer. This notion 'Eli was destined for another' is poppycock.....better to recognize the long odds in the wins he had and a lot of things factor into winning championships.
Spot on. People seem to believe that somehow, the Giants left a guaranteed title or two on the table because of organizational bumbling of the OL.
Since the 2004 draft that yielded Eli, BR, Rivers - Rivers has none. Rodgers 1, and Eli and BR 2. Brees was before that, and only has 1.
Only Brady has more than 2. That's a lot of excellent, sustained QB play in there, and only one QB out of all of them has more than 2 SB victories.
It's silly to assume that the Giants left trophies on the table. The best example of a lost title was the one in 2008, and it had nothing to do with the OL. While there was a chance some better drafting and a stronger line could have returned another title, that's a dream more than a gimme.
The Giants weren't a juggernaut, but they were in the postseason 5/7 years between 2005 and 2011.
And considering that they caught fire in 2 of those seasons, isn't consistent postseason play the name of the game?
As I said, between 2004 and 2012, the Giants started every year 6-2. That gets you in pretty good position for a postseason play.
2013 when the line was gone? 0-6, and look at the struggling starts since.
The name of the game is consistent postseason play, because we had the guy under center that could light up when he got there.
Jerry Reese and Marc Ross had a DECADE of terrible drafting.
How is this even debatable at this point?
"The offense is broken".
Bullshit. The roster was broken.
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But again, its not as if NYG produced a juggernaut team in 07 and 11 that another title was a given anyway. New Orleans and Philadelphia, two organizations much more consistent than NYG over last decasde have only won once each. That should be something of a barometer. This notion 'Eli was destined for another' is poppycock.....better to recognize the long odds in the wins he had and a lot of things factor into winning championships.
Spot on. People seem to believe that somehow, the Giants left a guaranteed title or two on the table because of organizational bumbling of the OL.
Since the 2004 draft that yielded Eli, BR, Rivers - Rivers has none. Rodgers 1, and Eli and BR 2. Brees was before that, and only has 1.
Only Brady has more than 2. That's a lot of excellent, sustained QB play in there, and only one QB out of all of them has more than 2 SB victories.
It's silly to assume that the Giants left trophies on the table. The best example of a lost title was the one in 2008, and it had nothing to do with the OL. While there was a chance some better drafting and a stronger line could have returned another title, that's a dream more than a gimme.
Great post Britt. I remember hearing the Gilbride told front office to replenish the OL and he was handed Mitch Petrus and James Brewer. Sad.
The Giants weren't a juggernaut, but they were in the postseason 5/7 years between 2005 and 2011.
And considering that they caught fire in 2 of those seasons, isn't consistent postseason play the name of the game?
As I said, between 2004 and 2012, the Giants started every year 6-2. That gets you in pretty good position for a postseason play.
2013 when the line was gone? 0-6, and look at the struggling starts since.
The name of the game is consistent postseason play, because we had the guy under center that could light up when he got there.
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The Giants organization owes a massive apology to Eli for sabotaging the last 6 years of his career. Disgraceful.
Eli owes an eternal debt of gratitude to Strahan Tuck Osi Kiwanuka Webster Rolle Madison and the other defensive stars who elevated those two teams to super bowl champs
This is exactly why you cannot get mad or upset about what some posters say on this board. You just can’t fix stupid.
When I enjoy is how people come out like attack dogs when you defend Eli for something and remain quiet when this stupid shit is posted.
Gilbride was a run n shoot guy a system the nfl had gotten away from. he modified it quite a bit but it still runs counter to most of what is happening especially given how easy it is to pass in the middle of the field vs the past.
it worked for a window and that run came to an end. talent was a bigger part of it but that scheme does not maximize what can be done to attack a defense under current rules.
The Cowboys of the 90s also came to an end after 6-7 years. so did the 70s steelers. As did the 80s giants. the aughts Giants were the least dominant of the teams mentioned so i don’t get the hand wringing.