Where do you see an emphasis on skill players there?
Not Barkley. Resigning Beckham more so. With regards to team building, I don’t think it’s beneficial to invest all that money into a WR off a major injury.
Gilbride's system is almost impossible to stop if the QB and receiver make the correct read. If they do not, it can look ugly. Reese's size speed chart and adherence to combine numbers was not a good fit. You cannot put a guy with a 6 Wonderlic regardless of his shuttle or 40 times into Gilbrides's system. You also need a solid OL to make it work. Reese tried and failed to keep the OL stocked. He made some terrible picks. I think they could have done better with the end of Eli's career. All of that said, it is over. Eli is not the same guy anymore, he is toast now, whose fault it is doesn't matter at all. I think a strong running game combined with a downfield passing attack can still win championships in the NFL today. However, I also believe the time of immobile QB is gone.
team did not replace Jacobs or Bradshaw with a starter level replacement. The dancing with stars guy sucked.
The team STILL does not have a viable starter at C, RG, or RT. LT looks like the bust of the decade. RG seems good.
On defense we are still waiting for a viable LB who would start on most teams. Tight end? I might be in my grave before the Giants get a viable starter at this position. Spare me with Engram I would call him a coach killer but he is not that good.
You could argue the whole line except LG still needs to be replaced. The Giants had a stone cold killer at QB who was fucking indestructible and they could not build even a mediocre roster. Then they scapegoated TC and brought in some mercenary D talent for a run. Too bad they gave that talent to McAdoo, I wish I could have seen Coughlin with that D. That was not a sustainable way to build a roster though and that team shot its load with the loss in Green Bay. Since then this team is the worst in the NFL. They have failed utterly with the hardest to replace piece on the roster. Now we are also playing find a coach since McAdoo crashed and burned and Shurmur is likely right behind him.
Failure is the word. Many years of prime Eli were wasted, how is this even debatable?
team did not replace Jacobs or Bradshaw with a starter level replacement. The dancing with stars guy sucked.
The team STILL does not have a viable starter at C, RG, or RT. LT looks like the bust of the decade. RG seems good.
On defense we are still waiting for a viable LB who would start on most teams. Tight end? I might be in my grave before the Giants get a viable starter at this position. Spare me with Engram I would call him a coach killer but he is not that good.
You could argue the whole line except LG still needs to be replaced. The Giants had a stone cold killer at QB who was fucking indestructible and they could not build even a mediocre roster. Then they scapegoated TC and brought in some mercenary D talent for a run. Too bad they gave that talent to McAdoo, I wish I could have seen Coughlin with that D. That was not a sustainable way to build a roster though and that team shot its load with the loss in Green Bay. Since then this team is the worst in the NFL. They have failed utterly with the hardest to replace piece on the roster. Now we are also playing find a coach since McAdoo crashed and burned and Shurmur is likely right behind him.
Failure is the word. Many years of prime Eli were wasted, how is this even debatable?
Rashad Jennings is the dancing RB you are referring to.
Between the roster being completely overhauled, a new offense, a new defense, a completely new offensive line, there are so many moving parts it is hard to find continuity. Our defense was without its best pass rusher in Vernon. Flowers was still on our O Line. No leadership.
this is not some historic squandering, which is my entire point.
they got two super bowls out of him. You continue to use caps and emotional arguments rather than grounding this with real examples. I aslo thought you were done with this thread?
Forget about the name eli. the giants had a good player a franchise qb and failed to continue a run which lasted 7 years and could have lasted 10.
Same thing has happened many times to many teams as I pointed out.
You seem to consider this some epic fail as do other people, which is in reality really not so much the case when considered with contextual examples.
this has been a poorly performing team overall from 2012-2018, for any number of factors.
But not because of some extra special disservice to any one player or a singular positional fail. Its several factors.
And when many teams like the Bears, Jets, Dolphins, Chargers (with a franchise qb), 49ers and others have had extended playoff sabaticals its not as if parity makes some period of sucking not commonplace. Again, Giants were very much due for this type of period. Its not an alibi but the plight of the ny giants fan is hardly something i'm feeling any genuine remorse for.
ot bust. But, to have been consistently competative within the division and for wild card spots. Or, by the franchise's standard, to play meaningful games in late December.
sure. The giants are not succeeding at making the playoffs and i’m not expecting sbs every few years. but that does not change or factor into any of my take. the context of 2005-2011 must be accounted for and the fact they had a great run followed by a poor one. 2012-2018 was not a good era for NYG. it’s hopefully going to shift soon.
sure. The giants are not succeeding at making the playoffs and i’m not expecting sbs every few years. but that does not change or factor into any of my take. the context of 2005-2011 must be accounted for and the fact they had a great run followed by a poor one. 2012-2018 was not a good era for NYG. it’s hopefully going to shift soon.
And read some of the comments... I'm ASHAMED to be a giants fan.
Sometimes I feel like this fan base never deserved Eli. Excuse me while I go throw up a little.
Lol@ the prick who said Eli "owes eternal gratitude" to a 32nd ranked defense that rode into the playoffs in Eli's backpack where he continued to carry the most mediocre team to ever win the super bowl.
sure. The giants are not succeeding at making the playoffs and i’m not expecting sbs every few years. but that does not change or factor into any of my take. the context of 2005-2011 must be accounted for and the fact they had a great run followed by a poor one. 2012-2018 was not a good era for NYG. it’s hopefully going to shift soon.
Yeah, when the offensive line gets fixed, it will.
Whether it be Barkley, or the new QB. Fix the offensive line, fix the team.
the o line cannot be as bad as it is to move forward. they need better play from their next qb than the last two seasons, a more innovate coach, better pass rush and lbs have been a chronic issue as well in pass coverage as well as better safety play.
dallas looks mediocre with a decent line so it’s much more than one unit.
Looks like he should be thanking the Giants to me. Tom Brady, on the other hand, should be livid.
Yea Tom Brady should be furious ...
Gisele net worth: $360 Million
+1 Brady reworked his contract several times often deferring money to enable the Pats to sign other players, easy to do when the wife is pulling in $50mil per year.
It's easy to do regardless, when you make the kind of money he makes.
RE: I do think the Giants failed to act on the aging offensive line Â
quickly enough - that much I don't think anyone can debate.
After that - they tried, plying high draft picks and FA resources into addressing the line, and failed, repeatedly.
That caused a revolving door around everyone but Eli. In that timeframe, everything else was changed, and the results remained the same.
I don't know why it's so difficult to accept that Eli might have been part of this problem. He was always sensitive to poor line play, so being a bit older, having taken some beatings, it would only stand to reason that his effectiveness would drop heavily unless he had superior protection.
Superior protection that just isn't really available in the NFL anymore, and has been suspect for a few years now.
I agree with almost everything here. It's an excellent post. The only thing that I didn't like was the comment about superior line play. Others have made similar comments, or taken the opposite approach of saying OL is not great around the league. True...but the Giants haven't had even decent OL play for the better part of at least 5 years. They have consistently had one of the worst 2 or 3 OL for at least that span. To me, that is the single biggest contributing factor.
Second is coaching. With Coughlin still on board, Eli thrived in a variation of the offense McAdoo brought. When McAdoo was in charge, bis offense morphed into a far mor.conservative and far more predictable version.
Now, Eli himself comes in at #3. After years of bad line play and bad coaching, combined with him now being 37, his play has finally started to erode. I would argue that prior to this season, that was not the case. I would also argue that with even an average OL he would do enough for us to win. But, we, again, have the worst OL in football arguably. It has caught up with Eli. We are now wasting the skill players we have, because there should be enough talent on O to score a decent amount of points each week.
Round 2: OL
Round 3: LB
Round 3: DL
Round 4: QB
Round 5: DL
Where do you see an emphasis on skill players there?
Not Barkley. Resigning Beckham more so. With regards to team building, I don’t think it’s beneficial to invest all that money into a WR off a major injury.
The team STILL does not have a viable starter at C, RG, or RT. LT looks like the bust of the decade. RG seems good.
On defense we are still waiting for a viable LB who would start on most teams. Tight end? I might be in my grave before the Giants get a viable starter at this position. Spare me with Engram I would call him a coach killer but he is not that good.
You could argue the whole line except LG still needs to be replaced. The Giants had a stone cold killer at QB who was fucking indestructible and they could not build even a mediocre roster. Then they scapegoated TC and brought in some mercenary D talent for a run. Too bad they gave that talent to McAdoo, I wish I could have seen Coughlin with that D. That was not a sustainable way to build a roster though and that team shot its load with the loss in Green Bay. Since then this team is the worst in the NFL. They have failed utterly with the hardest to replace piece on the roster. Now we are also playing find a coach since McAdoo crashed and burned and Shurmur is likely right behind him.
Failure is the word. Many years of prime Eli were wasted, how is this even debatable?
The team STILL does not have a viable starter at C, RG, or RT. LT looks like the bust of the decade. RG seems good.
On defense we are still waiting for a viable LB who would start on most teams. Tight end? I might be in my grave before the Giants get a viable starter at this position. Spare me with Engram I would call him a coach killer but he is not that good.
You could argue the whole line except LG still needs to be replaced. The Giants had a stone cold killer at QB who was fucking indestructible and they could not build even a mediocre roster. Then they scapegoated TC and brought in some mercenary D talent for a run. Too bad they gave that talent to McAdoo, I wish I could have seen Coughlin with that D. That was not a sustainable way to build a roster though and that team shot its load with the loss in Green Bay. Since then this team is the worst in the NFL. They have failed utterly with the hardest to replace piece on the roster. Now we are also playing find a coach since McAdoo crashed and burned and Shurmur is likely right behind him.
Failure is the word. Many years of prime Eli were wasted, how is this even debatable?
Rashad Jennings is the dancing RB you are referring to.
Between the roster being completely overhauled, a new offense, a new defense, a completely new offensive line, there are so many moving parts it is hard to find continuity. Our defense was without its best pass rusher in Vernon. Flowers was still on our O Line. No leadership.
There is much that needs improvement on the team.
they got two super bowls out of him. You continue to use caps and emotional arguments rather than grounding this with real examples. I aslo thought you were done with this thread?
Forget about the name eli. the giants had a good player a franchise qb and failed to continue a run which lasted 7 years and could have lasted 10.
Same thing has happened many times to many teams as I pointed out.
You seem to consider this some epic fail as do other people, which is in reality really not so much the case when considered with contextual examples.
But not because of some extra special disservice to any one player or a singular positional fail. Its several factors.
And when many teams like the Bears, Jets, Dolphins, Chargers (with a franchise qb), 49ers and others have had extended playoff sabaticals its not as if parity makes some period of sucking not commonplace. Again, Giants were very much due for this type of period. Its not an alibi but the plight of the ny giants fan is hardly something i'm feeling any genuine remorse for.
Sometimes I feel like this fan base never deserved Eli. Excuse me while I go throw up a little.
Lol@ the prick who said Eli "owes eternal gratitude" to a 32nd ranked defense that rode into the playoffs in Eli's backpack where he continued to carry the most mediocre team to ever win the super bowl.
Yeah, when the offensive line gets fixed, it will.
Whether it be Barkley, or the new QB. Fix the offensive line, fix the team.
dallas looks mediocre with a decent line so it’s much more than one unit.
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1. Peyton Manning, QB — $248.7 million.
2. Eli Manning, QB — $235.3 million. ...
3. Drew Brees, QB — $221.7 million. ...
4. Tom Brady, QB — $217.2 million. ...
5. Aaron Rodgers, QB — $204.0 million. ...
6. Philip Rivers, QB — $202.9 million. ...
7. Ben Roethlisberger, QB — $187.3 million. ...
Looks like he should be thanking the Giants to me. Tom Brady, on the other hand, should be livid.
Yea Tom Brady should be furious ...
Gisele net worth: $360 Million
+1 Brady reworked his contract several times often deferring money to enable the Pats to sign other players, easy to do when the wife is pulling in $50mil per year.
After that - they tried, plying high draft picks and FA resources into addressing the line, and failed, repeatedly.
That caused a revolving door around everyone but Eli. In that timeframe, everything else was changed, and the results remained the same.
I don't know why it's so difficult to accept that Eli might have been part of this problem. He was always sensitive to poor line play, so being a bit older, having taken some beatings, it would only stand to reason that his effectiveness would drop heavily unless he had superior protection.
Superior protection that just isn't really available in the NFL anymore, and has been suspect for a few years now.
Second is coaching. With Coughlin still on board, Eli thrived in a variation of the offense McAdoo brought. When McAdoo was in charge, bis offense morphed into a far mor.conservative and far more predictable version.
Now, Eli himself comes in at #3. After years of bad line play and bad coaching, combined with him now being 37, his play has finally started to erode. I would argue that prior to this season, that was not the case. I would also argue that with even an average OL he would do enough for us to win. But, we, again, have the worst OL in football arguably. It has caught up with Eli. We are now wasting the skill players we have, because there should be enough talent on O to score a decent amount of points each week.