Any hope for fixing the O-line on 2019 ?

They'd better be sharks. I don't want anybody but straight up predatory, murderous, mentally insane, great white shark killers with frickin laser beams on their heads for next year's team.

In comment 14166301 B in ALB said:

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They'd better be sharks. I don't want anybody but straight up predatory, murderous, mentally insane, great white shark killers with frickin laser beams on their heads for next year's team.

So we should have taken a serious look at Incognito when he was a FA a few years ago...

Wesley Johnson at Center and Cameron Fleming for Right Tackle. Newly acquired Jamon Brown may be a good find for Right Guard. Add some depth in the draft.

Many of the same retreads that were available last year... Good ones don't shake free often...

A few tackles worth a look from mid 1st through mid 3rd...

...we haven't had one since O'Hara. Baas was good when healthy, but he was almost never healthy.

Seems to be playing well and is an UFA.

If they can sign him in FA and Brown works out during the final 8 weeks of the season, Gettleman can use his 2nd and 4th round picks on linemen or BPA to develop the roster.

Halapio might still be back as the starting C for next season, plus add a draft pick for competition and you can see an Oline coming into formation.

Of course, all of this depends upon the further development of Hernandez AND Solder playing at a reasonable level.

In comment 14166302 EricJ said:

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In comment 14166301 B in ALB said: Quote: They'd better be sharks. I don't want anybody but straight up predatory, murderous, mentally insane, great white shark killers with frickin laser beams on their heads for next year's team. So we should have taken a serious look at Incognito when he was a FA a few years ago...

Are you ok?

Even if they go strong in FA.
Need a young line to grow together

FA make it to the open market when time comes.

Draft is ideal option. However, that's a crap shoot as we've seen for several years.

In comment 14166486 micky said:

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FA don't make it to the open market when time comes. Draft is ideal option. However, that's a crap shoot as we've seen for several years.

Maybe they get 2 next spring? I mean they still have holes in just about every unit on the team. Again, it can’t all be fixed in 2 offseasons...

In comment 14166445 larryflower37 said:

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Even if they go strong in FA. Need a young line to grow together

I am hopeful that we see Jamon Brown improve the line and that he maybe worth re-signing. In FA I'm hopeful NYG focuses on the center position first then RT. Bringing in a couple young OL in the draft is a yes as well but I can only hope they get a QB and another OLB. Free Safety is the other position that needs upgrading.

God, I hope so. Watching New Orleans and LAs lines the other day was eye opening at what a good line can do. Those boys were stoning damn good defensive players.

I hope it gets better, but I doubt it will. Look at this year's debacle.

That this draft is deep on the OL and that great value can be had in rounds 2 - 5

against a weaker schedule, we might end up picking in the 6-10 range. If so, then Jonas Williams will be there and fill the need at RT.

Hopefully, Jamon Brown proves competent. At the very least, he proves to be viable competition to Omameh. Right now, we have no competition to force others to improve their game. Greco needs to go back to Center as Spencer is awful. Greco isn't any great shakes, but he is the best option for the remainder of the season at Center.

Next year, we will likely continue with Halapio, but we also need to draft a center to hopefully push him off the roster.

Assuming that Solder and Hernandez improve and Brown/Omameh turn out to be competent, then our biggest need is RT. Wheeler can not play in the NFL.

First step in improving the OL for this season and going forward is to get rid of Hal. He is a losing coach that has coached losing lines his entire career. How he was ever considered is beyond me.

The team has its two guards currently on the roster. If it were me, targeting an OC between rounds 2-4 would be a priority. I think we're stuck with Solider, so that leaves ROT. OT early is possible, but I would not force it. QB and Edge are very high priorities as well and I certainly would not force our top pick.

I would definitely look to upgrade the coaching.

I think there are many opportunities for improvement here, but unlikely we will complete in one offseason. Significant gain is not unrealistic, though perhaps not likely.

In comment 14166301 B in ALB said:

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They'd better be sharks. I don't want anybody but straight up predatory, murderous, mentally insane, great white shark killers with frickin laser beams on their heads for next year's team.

Did your High School team lose this past weekend?

In one year?

1% chance.

We're on our 6th year re-build and we're further now than we were 6 years ago.

Just hoping for some progress in 2019 beginning with a kick- ass Center.

need to find a C, RG, and RT that are appreciable upgrades, as well as depth and competition to provide a push.

at least for another season or two. Suspect they'll hustle to find his successor via the draft, plug him in and start the development process, but Solder's contract keeps him here for a bit.

Round One: Jonah Williams; OT; Alabama

Round Two: Tyler Biadasz; Center; Wisconsin

to go OL where we're likely picking in the first round.

but KC ran pretty well behind Omameh and NE QB was pretty good behind Solder. When your O-Line takes the heat year after year could it possibly be something else? Personally I think it is all coaching and a bit of Eli. Certainly taking the play clock down to 1 second 10 times a game can't help. Not stepping back and throwing to frustrate the rushers is another. Not being able to see the field by the QB is probably the main factor and I think Eli has lost that.

right now we might have two parts, or at least two parts that figure to be in place on the left side for the next season or two.

With five parts of requisite talent, the play will improve.

As for Eli, I personally subscribe to moving on a year too early rather than too late, but unwilling to hang my hat on Lauletta either.

Hog Mollys please

In comment 14166636 noro9 said:

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Hog Mollys please

Hernandez is a "hog molly" and he is fantastic. Great pick IMHO. I think get the right players.

In comment 14166641 superspynyg said:

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In comment 14166636 noro9 said: Quote: Hog Mollys please Hernandez is a "hog molly" and he is fantastic. Great pick IMHO. I think get the right players.

"fantastic" is quite a stretch, he's been a liability in pass-blocking having allowed 6 sacks already. I think he will be good eventually but he's nowhere near fantastic.

Get rid of the notion that this can be turned around in one offseason. Good OL are built methodically by drafting/developing/smart FA signings. They tried to piece meal the unit in a few months, but it became a Charlie Foxtrot. They have to be honest about their current talent and understand that the OL will take some time to develop.
Pieces will have to be moved in and out to find the right combination. Then AND ONLY then, will they have a competent unit to go against some of the nastiest front sevens.

Our scouts in the past have found absolutely nothing
in terms of lower round picks that could develop into
solid starters same goes for LB's at least get a few special
team demons we don't even get that .
Have to do better in drafting Talent football players instead of just athletes .
Probably see at least 3 players drafted for the O-line
Hit on Two and were getting there . Couple of more FA so
we have at least something to work with .

I'm hoping he can be a mulligan for the Omameh signing. If he's serviceable and we can get him on an affordable longterm or reasonable show me, that would leave 2 spots on the line that need immediate attention. You can fix 2 spots.

He's average. Average looks much worse with bad players around him that can't hide his mistakes. While he's extremely overpaid, he's still serviceable until a later time when his contract can be addressed and we can afford to prioritize that spot.

Every year we have the solutions and every year they don't listen to us...and then we do the same thing the next season....

If Greco, Hernandez and Brown can hold the interior better then Eli can step up and Solder can run his man past them all. That’s his technique.

I think the OL just improved a lot with this gift from the Rams. Center and RT are the remaining pieces.

Tank next season for Tua!

has changed how a 'blue chip' OL should be graded and valued.

Sadly it won't be.

In comment 14166660 gmenatlarge said:

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In comment 14166641 superspynyg said: Quote: In comment 14166636 noro9 said: Quote: Hog Mollys please Hernandez is a "hog molly" and he is fantastic. Great pick IMHO. I think get the right players. "fantastic" is quite a stretch, he's been a liability in pass-blocking having allowed 6 sacks already. I think he will be good eventually but he's nowhere near fantastic.

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Through eight weeks, Hernandez’s overall grade of 72.9 is not only the highest grade among rookie guards this year, but it’s also the 14th-best mark ever recorded by a rookie guard over the first half a campaign. Through eight games, Hernandez has been a bright spot on an otherwise putrid offensive line and has allowed 13 pressures on 350 pass-blocking snaps. He’s also provided support for Barkley and the Giants’ ground game, earning a 67.5 run-blocking grade – the best mark among rookie guards this year.

In comment 14166371 Tom in NY said:

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Seems to be playing well and is an UFA. If they can sign him in FA and Brown works out during the final 8 weeks of the season, Gettleman can use his 2nd and 4th round picks on linemen or BPA to develop the roster. Halapio might still be back as the starting C for next season, plus add a draft pick for competition and you can see an Oline coming into formation. Of course, all of this depends upon the further development of Hernandez AND Solder playing at a reasonable level.

I'd love to have Williams but let's be real, ain't nobody letting any good olineman walk out their door.

Forget Halapio, though he's an OK blocker on his own it's the centers job to get everyone's assignments in order.. and we had about 50 blown assignments in the few games he started.

The guy is a car salesman for fucks sake. If we don't get a new center we are in trouble.

In comment 14167392 Strahan91 said:

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In comment 14166660 gmenatlarge said: Quote: In comment 14166641 superspynyg said: Quote: In comment 14166636 noro9 said: Quote: Hog Mollys please Hernandez is a "hog molly" and he is fantastic. Great pick IMHO. I think get the right players. "fantastic" is quite a stretch, he's been a liability in pass-blocking having allowed 6 sacks already. I think he will be good eventually but he's nowhere near fantastic. From PFF: Quote: Through eight weeks, Hernandez’s overall grade of 72.9 is not only the highest grade among rookie guards this year, but it’s also the 14th-best mark ever recorded by a rookie guard over the first half a campaign. Through eight games, Hernandez has been a bright spot on an otherwise putrid offensive line and has allowed 13 pressures on 350 pass-blocking snaps. He’s also provided support for Barkley and the Giants’ ground game, earning a 67.5 run-blocking grade – the best mark among rookie guards this year.

I think we all know that PFF scores are debatable and he may be the best rookie guard this year but there is no way on earth that allowing 6 sacks through 8 games is "fantastic". Again I am not saying he won't be good but I have not seen "fantastic" at any point this year.

"Hope is a dangerous thing Andy"... I mean Manny.

By trading down and up, one might try to have 7+ picks between maybe 18 or or 34 and maybe 110 and 120.

Guard
Center
FS
LB
LB
corner
Center

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Jamon Brown guy can stick. If he can, the Giants should resign him and have the guards locked down for the foreseeable future.

Solder will be the LT regardless next year- hopefully having some room to step up in the pocket will allow Solder to play to his strength, which is taking the edge defender up field past the QB's launching point (rather than stonewalling the defender).

This means C and RT would be the biggest holes. I like Yodny Cajuste from WVU or there are a couple of guys on Wisconsin who I'm going to be keeping an eye on as the draft approaches.

As for FA, it will depend on the cap situation, but I'm intrigued by the idea of taking Daryl WIlliams on a flier deal coming off injury. He is a Gettleman draft pick and was an all-pro last year who likely won't be resigned by the Panthers with the emergence of Moton.

The best overall OL on the market might be Matt Paradis, the Broncos Center.

Ju'Wuan James has potential, but has been a bit inconsistent. He'd be a major upgrade at RT however.

a guy who has never played a down for us, is finally the answer.....and we got him off waivers, too....who says you can't win the lottery?