Let's just say for this argument that Gettleman isn't going anywhere. Regardless of what you think on that topic, I think it's clear that Gettleman will at the very least, get another draft and free agency period to rebuild/retool the roster he was handed.
Outside of the QB situation, which really won't get settled until after this year, my main concern with the team right now is Shurmur. The guy has shown nothing so far. I'm not saying it's all on him, but there just seems to be no creativity, not a ton of energy, and an overall lack of clock and game management in key moments that really just should not happen. The team sucks, I get it. But nothing about him seems great HC to me. Nothing.
Which brings me to the main question...if McDaniels makes himself available again, with Eli being perhaps gone and the ability to draft a new QB from the get go, I think the NYG job would be very attractive to McDaniels, and I think Mara should maybe think about making the move. What are everyone's feelings about that?
One other thing - I don't think the Giants' job is especially attractive. From the outside this is a team that doesn't look like it knows which way is up.
If the Jets fire Bowles, that's the better job. At least you have the QB to work with.
I think it's a reasonable question to ask. That's where Gruden is right now and indications are he's opting for the latter.
Josh doesn't inspire professional behavior. In fact, his behavior is exactly the kind of risk that I don't see Mara taking.
They should fire Shurmur today, let alone after the full season.
As the season has gone along I get the impression he is a little too soft and I have not seen many new wrinkles to create more positive outcomes with the talent he has even if deficient. You wonder with his first stint in Cleveland and with how the season has transpired if he is losing a little credibility with the players. The press has not really gone after him too hard yet. Heck, the reporters were starting on TC with "sources of discord" in his first year. NY is a brutal place to coach and not for everyone.
I am less concerned with him being an adult and am more interested in a coach who is showing a team improving, lighting someone up on the sideline and establishing a standard. A good coach has to be able to stop a losing streak imo.
Why would he give up on seemingly guaranteed success there and an eventual job? To join this shitshow?
I'm starting to wonder if maybe Gettleman and Shurmur were just the best we could do.
Why would he give up on seemingly guaranteed success there and an eventual job? To join this shitshow?
I'm starting to wonder if maybe Gettleman and Shurmur were just the best we could do.
I think theirs a lot of truth to this. I don't think coaches were lining up for this job. There are a lot of issues with this team that won't be solved quickly.
Shurmur deserves a second year, needs to straighten out qb, and improve athleticism of team
Not after, before he retires. McDaniels can basically sit there until either BB or TB retire and he's got as good a chance at success as anyone in the NFL. There's really no impetus for him to leave, unless something extremely appealing were to come up.
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I don't know if the Pats are 'guaranteed success' after BB retires. TB is 41. Sooner or later, they'll come back to earth.
Not after, before he retires. McDaniels can basically sit there until either BB or TB retire and he's got as good a chance at success as anyone in the NFL. There's really no impetus for him to leave, unless something extremely appealing were to come up.
Agreed.
If this team doesn’t exceed 3 wins, I think he’s out.
Why? What has he done to show he deserves the benefit of the doubt?
The team is 1-7, and his career record as a head coach is 11-30. What are we expecting will happen differently? Why are we expecting it?
I'd love to know why he deserves a second year. Actually I'd love to know why he deserves to coach them this week.
If you're a current assistant coach looking for an NFL HC opportunity... Why would you go to a team like the Giants if they just fired their head coaches in back-to-back years?
Isn't that what we've already become? We've sucked for years and as a solution to that we hired one of their ex-coaches, despite the fact he had a 10-23 record as a head coach (and one of those wins came as an interim guy in Philly).
It was an awful, mystifying hire.
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Shurmur deserves a second year, needs to straighten out qb, and improve athleticism of team
Why? What has he done to show he deserves the benefit of the doubt?
The team is 1-7, and his career record as a head coach is 11-30. What are we expecting will happen differently? Why are we expecting it?
I'd love to know why he deserves a second year. Actually I'd love to know why he deserves to coach them this week.
He was hired to a 3-13 team, a team that is in transition, in which the GM is in a rebuild project. You give him 3 years.
This team wasn't going to win this year. Never. I don't even think Gettleman believed that they would win, but what are they going to say? Oh yeah, Eli sucks now but we can't get rid of him this year so we are going to suffer with another year of losing? No. They are going to say, "he's our guy and we believe we can win with him."
BUT THAT'S NOT TRUE! He got hired, you don't fire a guy after 1 season unless you really want to mismanage your team. Shurmur has a good offense, an offense that made Keenum a top 10 passer. You want him to work with your next QB, and this requires patience. You haven't seen anything from him yet. So freaking what? Who tf are you, anyway? It's a marathon not a sprint and some people who think overnight results were going to happen are not anyone who should be in charge of a football team.
And if you think the Giants are losing this year simply because of a lack of talent, you're wrong. This team has been coached ineptly in these first 8 games. Absolutely ineptly.
He inherited a 3-13 team, it a possible the process of rebuilding begins with a big step backwards.
Unless you blame him for an offensive line that gets beat at the point of attack, how is this on him. Play calling is always a fans go to move when a team falters.
It s about execution and good players. How creative were Lombardi s Packers or Parcells ' Giants.
Shurmur punted on 4th and inches from an opponents 40 yard line.
Go back and look at the game log for 2016. The difference between 11-5 and 6-10 that year was razor thin, and that razor was McAdoo's game management. Everything he decided: when to kick FGs, when to punt, when to go for it on 4th down, how to manage the clock at the end of halves - all of it went in the Giants' favor. 8 of the 11 wins that year were won in the final possession, several times with the other team's offense on the field and running out of time or downs. That was a mediocre team guided by a very steady hand to a good record.
That's a lot more than Shurmur's ever done. In this half season Shurmur has already had 3 or 4 terrible game management errors that led to negative point differentials.
Not only that but then you mention McDaniels?!?! Are you kidding me? I have already seen threads about solder being a product of the patriot system, but McDaniels isnt?
Let's play your little scenario. Shurmur gets fired and McDaniels comes in next year. We start all over again? Another new coaching staff? And what if we struggle yet again because of another change? Are we having another conversation to replace McDaniels?
We swept the front office and coaching staff and we turned over 2/3 of the roster with more changes to come. Let gettleman and shurmur do their job and evaluate their results when they have had more than 8 games to fix a disaster that was 6 years in the making!!
Posts like this really gives me an appreciation that fans don't have control in decisions.
No, if we get a new coach I'd rather get one that might be an improvement. How's Matt Patricia doing? Ohhhhh, right.
Never hire a Belichick assistant from New England.
We were down 7 points. You score when you can score and it took a 63 yard field goal to beat us. My gosh you picked the wrong game and comment to gripe about.
Every NFL head coach will tell you that scoring a touchdown when down by 7 late in the game is the most important thing and the clock is secondary. Every NFL coach!!
It was an awful, mystifying hire.
Alright Mr Selfimportance, who did you want for HC?
And when did you steal Doomsters persona? Is he still alive or what did you do with the body?
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Especially the "significantly" part
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McAdoo was significantly better than Shurmur
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Especially the "significantly" part
Sure there is: McAdoo was excellent in 2016.
Shurmur's been excellent...never. And he certainly hasn't been excellent this season.
Or better stated - the games we lost the year before because our D couldn't hold teams, we won in 2016.
It is hard to point that to coaching, especially given the shitshow that was 2017
-Olivier Vernon healthy and playing at a high level
-JPP playing at a high level
-Landon Collins having an All-Pro season
-Cornerback depth - Jenkins playing at a high level and DRC on the team and playing well.
One other thing - I don't think the Giants' job is especially attractive. From the outside this is a team that doesn't look like it knows which way is up.
If the Jets fire Bowles, that's the better job. At least you have the QB to work with.
Unfortunately the QB you get to work with isn't very good. I'd rather pick my own QB.
Not only that but then you mention McDaniels?!?! Are you kidding me? I have already seen threads about solder being a product of the patriot system, but McDaniels isnt?
Let's play your little scenario. Shurmur gets fired and McDaniels comes in next year. We start all over again? Another new coaching staff? And what if we struggle yet again because of another change? Are we having another conversation to replace McDaniels?
We swept the front office and coaching staff and we turned over 2/3 of the roster with more changes to come. Let gettleman and shurmur do their job and evaluate their results when they have had more than 8 games to fix a disaster that was 6 years in the making!!
Posts like this really gives me an appreciation that fans don't have control in decisions.
Most Giants fans have left their brains at the door. It's best to ignore them.
Shurmur deserves a second year, needs to straighten out qb, and improve athleticism of team
I'm making no judgement on Shurmur. But Parcels was a first time head coach in 1983. This is not Shurmur first rodeo and he was horrible in his previous head coaching stint. Bill Belicick is the one you probably want to use as your example. However,
its a talent issue