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| Eli Manning will continue to serve as the starting quarterback of the New York Giants at least through their Week 10 game against the San Francisco 49ers on Monday Night Football. Coming out of the bye week, some fans wondered if head coach Pat Shurmur would make the decision to bench Manning for rookie quarterback Kyle Lauletta. Those expectations died down a bit after Lauletta was arrested on a traffic violation. Lauletta will not start in Week 10 against the 49ers. On Tuesday, Shurmur told Giants reporters Manning would remain his starter in Week 10. Shurmur also added that he specifically spoke with Manning and the entire team about needing to play better and why it isn't good enough for the Giants to be "almost" in these games, as Manning has described at times in radio spots when assessing the team's offense after losses. |
Not suggesting Lauletta has Wentz's skills, but the Bison and the Spiders essentially played the same competition.
Some of you really need to relax. This team isn't going anywhere this year and at no point did Shurmur say Lauletta was never going to get into a game the rest of the season. Shurmur intimated that he talked to Eli, and who knows, maybe they have a plan that all of us don't know about. Shurmur is not obligated to tell any of us what was discussed, so instead, let's all freak out about rushing our 4th round rookie into a bad situation that is more than likely set up for him to fail.
Also, comparing Lauletta to the likes of Wentz is also absurd. There is a reason one of those guys was a Top 3 pick and the other was drafted in the 4th round. Developmental QBs get drafted later, not in the Top 3. There is clearly a difference in talent level.
Again, there is a reason why Wentz was the #2 pick and Lauletta wasn't drafted until Round 4. Shurmur saw something in Lauletta that could be coached up, so let him coach him up. Don't jump to conclusions 8 games into a guys career because of last year and because Eli/Offensive Line didn't work out.
Lauletta isn't the future, he's just as likely to go out there and be our version of Peterman, and everyone on the team knows it. So you go out there and try and win, which is something anyway except to that wretched group of individuals who advocate "tanking".
Again, there is a reason why Wentz was the #2 pick and Lauletta wasn't drafted until Round 4. Shurmur saw something in Lauletta that could be coached up, so let him coach him up. Don't jump to conclusions 8 games into a guys career because of last year and because Eli/Offensive Line didn't work out.
Uh, Richmond plays in the CAA. Are you going to suggest the CAA is inferior to the MVFC? The CAA has at time sent 5 teams to the FCS playoffs. The currently have 5 teams in the top 25. Richmond went back in 2015. Madison has been in the title for two straight years. It's a kick ass conference.
And I'm not comparing Lauletta to Wentz. I'm comparing their situations. 1-AA is excellent football and really shouldn't be this negative factor Shurmur is making it out to be...
Lauletta isn't the future, he's just as likely to go out there and be our version of Peterman, and everyone on the team knows it. So you go out there and try and win, which is something anyway except to that wretched group of individuals who advocate "tanking".
He gives us such a "good chance to win" that we've won just 4 times in his last 20+ starts.
The winning% almost can't possibly be any worse with Lauletta.
Winning 1 or 2 of the last 8 games with Eli does absolutely nothing for the Giants now or in the future. And it also ensures that we still haven't a damn clue about whether or not Lauletta is worth considering as a starter next year.
Putting a Herm Edwards face on right now and playing to win the game is an exercise in futility. We aren't winning games because we suck. That's not going to change. Not this year.
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on gameday? Who do you sit?
FYI - other teams (i.e., Saints) activate 3 QBs.
Not saying we should, just that it's not unheard of.
yeah, because one of their QBs is mr. gadget!
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Christ this team fucking sucks.
QB is not RB or WR. Goff was from Cal, he sucked last year. Wentz was surrounded by a Super Bowl team, it as easier.
I know you meant Goff sucked as a rookie, not last year. Yet look at the jump he made in year 2 last year. I am in no way comparing the two, but the point is, you get better by playing. Yes the O-line is bad, but lets not discount the fact that Lauletta would have Odell Beckham to throw to, and Saquon Barkley to hand off to.
We know he will struggle. Throwing him out there for the last game or two will prove nothing. We need to see a larger sample size to see how he improves and if he has a future. What is wrong with that? Continuing to trot Eli out there is just wasting more time.
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Christ this team fucking sucks.
You are getting tedious. Relax. They suck. No amount of hand wringing or complaining about every least little thing is going to matter one iota this year.
QB is not RB or WR. Goff was from Cal, he sucked last year. Wentz was surrounded by a Super Bowl team, it as easier.
On what planet did Goff suck last year?
We are a ridiculous losing team. We are wading around the pool of bottom feeding teams of the NFL for most of this past decade. We continue to make decisions based upon whether we are mathematically eliminated versus what is good or even practical for the future of the franchise. We draft players in the middle to late rounds that have been absolute garbage or like other teams come with a high chance of failure.
Yet we want to hide behind some risk that our 4th round QB will be damaged if we put him when not fully ready??
How about we call a spade a spade. We suck at drafting players and most likely suck at developing and coaching players to be ready for game time readiness.
We are the opposite of “next man up”. Moreso...who is up?
Generally speaking...we suck at this and everything these players, coaches and front office execute on should be questioned.
In my opinion...
I don't think the majority of complaints are over the fact that the Giants haven't inserted Lauletta in the lineup.
Most of them are about the fact that he's still behind Tanney, who has exactly 0% of a future with the Giants. He was a poor signing at best, and the intention was to have him step in to maintain a winning campaign if Eli were hurt. With 0% chance of that happening as well, why he continues to hold a roster spot and take practice snaps over Lauletta defies any kind of logic.
I think its a large part this.
Also 8 games is a lot, if they make the move now and KL is a disaster ala N Peterman can they really go back to Eli at that point?
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and sending him off in a good way... which is not necessarily good for the team.
I think its a large part this.
Also 8 games is a lot, if they make the move now and KL is a disaster ala N Peterman can they really go back to Eli at that point?
If you make it very clear that you're not benching Eli for performance, but that you want to see if you have anything in Lauletta, I'm not sure why you'd have a hard time going back. It's no secret to anyone - not the rest of the NFL, not the fans - that Eli isn't going to play forever, and that the Giants need to find a successor.
Much more difficult to make that claim when you're benching a young QB for Nathan Peterman.
And Mara as a member of the competition committee probably takes that standard to a higher level.
If you go out and state that you are not playing the guy who gives you the best chance to win you can be treading on thin ice in that regards.
And Mara as a member of the competition committee probably takes that standard to a higher level.
If you go out and state that you are not playing the guy who gives you the best chance to win you can be treading on thin ice in that regards.
They're 1-7 with Eli in there. I don't think this would immediately sound the tank alarm. Worst case scenario, you find out Lauletta's a bum after two games and you can move him back.
I don't even think he should get a game or two - but why he's not getting the majority of the snaps in practice at this point is beyond me. He's not even ready for that? If that's the case, then he's not even useful as a backup QB, and was a wasted 4th round pick.
As far as Eli goes - Chef's point is interesting, but what is their plan for Eli right now? If there's a chance he's stepping down or being cut at the end of the year, then you'd imagine he starts all the games, letting him wrap up his tenure with the team. If he's already decided himself that he's had enough, you'd imagine the Giants would announce that, to give the fans a chance at seeing him one last time before he hangs them up.
Also 8 games is a lot, if they make the move now and KL is a disaster ala N Peterman can they really go back to Eli at that point?
This last point is why I'm ok holding off a little bit. There's 8 games left, thats a lot of season and a lot of media press conferences. If the rookie small school project is a dumpster fire out of the gate, which is more of a likelihood than not given what he has to work with...then what? You white knuckle it for half a season with the kid? Do you go back to Eli? I'm okay waiting a little bit.
However, if he doesn't get a couple of starts before this season is out then Giants management deserves absolutely everything that comes their way. There really is zero reason to ride out the status quo the entire season. Not one logical reason.
Eli stated last year that the starting QB should get all(the bulk) the work to prepare for the game. Yes I'm reading between the lines but I don't think Eli would be cool with going into the game with even less prep than they can squeeze in now.
Eli stated last year that the starting QB should get all(the bulk) the work to prepare for the game. Yes I'm reading between the lines but I don't think Eli would be cool with going into the game with even less prep than they can squeeze in now.
Sorry, that wasn't clear - what I meant to write was the majority of the backup snaps. Why he's splitting time with Tanney in that regard is beyond me. Can't have him get the practice snaps that Eli's due, that would never work.
How many reps?
"You lose count," Nassib said -- not because the number is so large but because it is so small. "It's the kind of plays that he's already had a lot of reps in and he already has a good feel for. He won't miss much by not taking them."
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Really? He's a stop gap roster fill at best.
Frankly, I can't think of a person on the roster less relevant to this team's future than Tanney.
And Mara as a member of the competition committee probably takes that standard to a higher level.
If you go out and state that you are not playing the guy who gives you the best chance to win you can be treading on thin ice in that regards.
That would be a weak shield against starting someone new on a 1-7 team.
Like I said, he's a stop gap - an "experienced, cheap vet ($550K) if Eli were to get hurt. The guy is 30. And in all likelihood he's been pretty vetted.
I guess you have a point, but I'd much rather see what we have in our 4th round investment who is only 22.
And Mara as a member of the competition committee probably takes that standard to a higher level.
If you go out and state that you are not playing the guy who gives you the best chance to win you can be treading on thin ice in that regards.
Unfortunately, the differential between the best and worst chance of winning during the first half of the season is only 1 game.
So I think we should risk it...
I would have no issue with that plan. However I worry that the fan base would erupt again much like the Geno Smith start last year. I think it might have to be Eli or Lauletta.
Regardless of whether he starts or not, at 1-7 Tanney still being on the roster at the expense of any other player is obscene. Just like last year with Smith, at this point he serves 0 purpose. He isn't in their long term plans and he isn't in their short-term (next year) either, as a starter. So, why the fuck is he even on the roster, let alone the #2 QB?
As for Shurmer's comments, they are ridiculous. At this point, the only reason/excuse is simply that he is not ready. That is your judgement call. But, inserting his 1-AA experience should be irrelevant at this point, as they elected to draft him as a potential for the future. At 1-7, their future starts now.
A precise, intelligent paragraph? there is hope for BBI!
A precise, intelligent paragraph? there is hope for BBI!
True hope will only be achieved when you learn how to use the reply/quote feature.
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Regardless of whether he starts or not, at 1-7 Tanney still being on the roster at the expense of any other player is obscene. Just like last year with Smith, at this point he serves 0 purpose. He isn't in their long term plans and he isn't in their short-term (next year) either, as a starter. So, why the fuck is he even on the roster, let alone the #2 QB?
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I've given up on Doom. It isn't that hard and it has been brought to his attention on numerous occasions. At this point, I just assume he is trolling us by continuing to do so.
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Players get the bye week off. They dont hold practice
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Players get the bye week off. They dont hold practice
Many fans don't realize that clubs are not allowed to have contact with players (except to receive medical treatment) during the bye week. The players must be given time off and not compelled to do any team activity. Case in Point - Jamon Brown was claimed on waivers during the Bye. He showed up on Thursday and was only allowed to get the playbook. He returned to LA and had to fly back on Sunday so he could be here Monday morning. He wouldn't have been allowed to hang around the facility and get orientated during the prescribed day's off.
Imagine the version of Webb we saw in the pre-season and now imagine that guy starting in place of Manning last year. What was that going to help.
When you bring in the back up, you need to either increase your chances of winning or really learn something about your team. If you have a trainwreck at QB you get nothing.
Imagine the version of Webb we saw in the pre-season and now imagine that guy starting in place of Manning last year. What was that going to help.
When you bring in the back up, you need to either increase your chances of winning or really learn something about your team. If you have a trainwreck at QB you get nothing.
My question then is - why can't Lauletta operate the offense?
The guy is the third string QB. We've seen scenarios where the third string QB is forced into action...we'll actually be seeing a third string QB this week in San Francisco.
If Lauletta is occupying a roster spot as the third string QB, why isn't he ready to play? Why isn't there an offensive scheme or package with which he feels comfortable? What if Eli and Tanney get hurt?
There are 53 spots on a roster - shouldn't all 53 be able to play if called upon? If they aren't it seems to me like something isn't being done correctly.
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If Lualetta cannot ooerate the offense, seriously what is the point? Would anyone be surprised if a rookie 4th round pick from Richmond isn't ready?
Imagine the version of Webb we saw in the pre-season and now imagine that guy starting in place of Manning last year. What was that going to help.
When you bring in the back up, you need to either increase your chances of winning or really learn something about your team. If you have a trainwreck at QB you get nothing.
My question then is - why can't Lauletta operate the offense?
The guy is the third string QB. We've seen scenarios where the third string QB is forced into action...we'll actually be seeing a third string QB this week in San Francisco.
If Lauletta is occupying a roster spot as the third string QB, why isn't he ready to play? Why isn't there an offensive scheme or package with which he feels comfortable? What if Eli and Tanney get hurt?
There are 53 spots on a roster - shouldn't all 53 be able to play if called upon? If they aren't it seems to me like something isn't being done correctly.
Do you suspect Webb, based on what you saw from him this pre-season could have operated the Giants offense in December of last year?
There's a major difference between 'should' and 'is.'
Lauletta doesn't look like that to me. He isn't the physical specimen Webb is, but he knows how to throw the ball. There's something to work with there, while with Webb there never was.
Lauletta:
Webb:
One guy knows how to throw, the other guy is Webb.
We have something to work with in Lauletta. No one is saying he's Drew Brees, but he doesn't have to be. He should, however, be prepared to play. If he is not that is a fireable failing of the coaching staff.
Its impossible to prove until we see KL in a real game but its a pretty safe assumption.
and for the record, I am in favor of giving KL meaningful playing time this year.
This team wins games as presently constructed 12% of the time. The front office already started planning for next year by trading and shopping their best bargaining chips, so why be concerned with whether Lauletta drags down that 12% to an 8%?