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| Eli Manning will continue to serve as the starting quarterback of the New York Giants at least through their Week 10 game against the San Francisco 49ers on Monday Night Football. Coming out of the bye week, some fans wondered if head coach Pat Shurmur would make the decision to bench Manning for rookie quarterback Kyle Lauletta. Those expectations died down a bit after Lauletta was arrested on a traffic violation. Lauletta will not start in Week 10 against the 49ers. On Tuesday, Shurmur told Giants reporters Manning would remain his starter in Week 10. Shurmur also added that he specifically spoke with Manning and the entire team about needing to play better and why it isn't good enough for the Giants to be "almost" in these games, as Manning has described at times in radio spots when assessing the team's offense after losses. |
You gotta believe, I know Shurmur found the answers during the bye week.
FYI - other teams (i.e., Saints) activate 3 QBs.
Not saying we should, just that it's not unheard of.
Can’t answer the question on why he was drafted definitively but I’m guessing the plan was to have Eli and the OLine not suck and allow Lauletta to redshirt.
Citing Lauletta coming from a 1-AA school as reason not to use him is idiotic. Then why even invest a 4th round pick?
It's Webb/Nassib all over again.....
As for not being "ready"? Either he is not talented enough, or he is not ready? 5 other rookie qb's were "ready", but outs is not?
Exactly, It sure was not a problem for Wentz but these are the types of mistakes the Giants make all the time during their drafts that just get overlooked for some reason.
As for this 'Lauletta went to a small school'...WTF?
Shurmur has been a real disappointment thus far.
This is such an outdated model.
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Christ this team fucking sucks.
Can’t answer the question on why he was drafted definitively but I’m guessing the plan was to have Eli and the OLine not suck and allow Lauletta to redshirt.
Plans can change if competent people are implementing them. The 49ers just won a game on a short week with a guy from the practice squad that was undrafted out of Southern Miss.
We used a 4th round pick on Lauletta. That's not a premium pick, but it's not a throw away either. I'm not expecting him to come out and have a Drew Brees-level mastery of the offense, but I do expect that he could play right now if called upon. Otherwise, what's the point?
You are probably right Matt. And watch this team win the next 2 games and BBI will be all fired up.
I think we’d do considerably better having Barkley run the wildcat.
Best chance to win...LOFL.
I'm frustrated too, but I don't agree with this logic. You can draft a QB to develop in the 4th round. Not being ready halfway through his rookie season is an indictment of the pick, it's just a consequence of "plan A" going to shit.
Yeah, it makes no sense to me. There were a couple of guards that I would have preferred to a third string QB who apparently will never see the field.
The advantage we have in this situation is that we don't have an enormous investment in Lauletta. If we play him, he fails, and it destroys him, then it only costs us the 4th rounder we spent on him. But if we play him and he's competent, it could completely change how we approach this offseason - including a premium draft pick.
Here's the other issue: as the losses continue to add up so will our population on the IR. If we wait until weeks 15 or 16 to play Lauletta there's a good chance he's going to be surrounded by a skeleton crew. Now is the time to play him with our first string to try to pull something meaningful out of this season.
This guy is a potential lottery ticket, and we won't drive to the fucking 7-11 to even see if we won. The people running this team don't know what they are doing.
+1 - the poor decision making continues. There's absolutely no reason for him to be #3 at this point, stupid traffic infraction or small school notwithstanding.
And I'd dress Lauletta as the #2, if not this week then next. Going into the offseason without any clue on what you have in Lauletta is idiotic.
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is that maybe he's just not ready, so why kill a young player's confidence by putting him in a situation where he is doomed to fail, especially behind an OL that would make it difficult for even a veteran QB to succeed behind?
The advantage we have in this situation is that we don't have an enormous investment in Lauletta. If we play him, he fails, and it destroys him, then it only costs us the 4th rounder we spent on him. But if we play him and he's competent, it could completely change how we approach this offseason - including a premium draft pick.
Here's the other issue: as the losses continue to add up so will our population on the IR. If we wait until weeks 15 or 16 to play Lauletta there's a good chance he's going to be surrounded by a skeleton crew. Now is the time to play him with our first string to try to pull something meaningful out of this season.
This guy is a potential lottery ticket, and we won't drive to the fucking 7-11 to even see if we won. The people running this team don't know what they are doing.
Just because he's a fourth rounder doesn't mean you throw him to the dogs and treat him like a disposable item whose confidence is irrelevant. And with the OL being what it is, there is a good chance that you will have no idea what KL is. Finally, I highly doubt that anything KL does would change the team's opinion if a blue chip QB was available to them in the 2019 draft.
Isn’t Shurmur supposed to be a QB guru? Well, let’s put that to the test...
Playing Eli is simply this - THE EASY WAY OUT.
I would play Eli too if I were Shurmur. And that's a huge part of the problem with the organization of this team: Shurmur isn't tasked with taking the global view. He's trying to turn a 2-14 season into a 5-11 season, and that isn't as important as considering the general direction of the organization.
Not unusual, it took Eli a few months to get on the field, and he stunk it up for awhile.
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He's going to prepare and play the QB he feels is the best chance to win. I'm as frustrated with Eli as the rest here, but also realize PS/coaches/players are working to try and keep their jobs too.
I would play Eli too if I were Shurmur. And that's a huge part of the problem with the organization of this team: Shurmur isn't tasked with taking the global view. He's trying to turn a 2-14 season into a 5-11 season, and that isn't as important as considering the general direction of the organization.
I get it, but I can't think of another football team that's done it much differently in recent history. They default to the ideology of people being given the chance to keep their jobs, at all levels.
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He's going to prepare and play the QB he feels is the best chance to win. I'm as frustrated with Eli as the rest here, but also realize PS/coaches/players are working to try and keep their jobs too.
I would play Eli too if I were Shurmur. And that's a huge part of the problem with the organization of this team: Shurmur isn't tasked with taking the global view. He's trying to turn a 2-14 season into a 5-11 season, and that isn't as important as considering the general direction of the organization.
Yup, more of the same. Year to year mentality. The narrative at the end of the season will be, let’s give Shurmur another year. Then we’ll go 7-9 & Shurmur will be presented with a win or else mandate in 2020.
So predictable.
Citing Lauletta coming from a 1-AA school as reason not to use him is idiotic. Then why even invest a 4th round pick?
Sounds familiar. You said the same thing about TC even after he won the SBs..:)
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He's going to prepare and play the QB he feels is the best chance to win. I'm as frustrated with Eli as the rest here, but also realize PS/coaches/players are working to try and keep their jobs too.
I would play Eli too if I were Shurmur. And that's a huge part of the problem with the organization of this team: Shurmur isn't tasked with taking the global view. He's trying to turn a 2-14 season into a 5-11 season, and that isn't as important as considering the general direction of the organization.
Where is this second win coming from? I still don't see one on the schedule.
FYI - other teams (i.e., Saints) activate 3 QBs.
Not saying we should, just that it's not unheard of.
OK, but Hill plays many roles for the team - KR, WC QB, slot back, so he's hardly a waste of a roster spot.
Good luck Eli 😊
Also, everyone is different, so it's not surprising that one person's path may not be the correct one for another. I don't think anecdotes about "so and so did this" or "it worked for so and so" are either helpful or terribly insightful.
So predictable.
This is exactly how I see it playing out.
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FYI - other teams (i.e., Saints) activate 3 QBs.
Not saying we should, just that it's not unheard of.
OK, but Hill plays many roles for the team - KR, WC QB, slot back, so he's hardly a waste of a roster spot.
Please....those are just details.
Or, this was just another in a long line of wasted 4th rd picks and he'll never be ready, a la Webb.
Then we can at least see what he has and make a good decision.
We are likely to go from Eli to Talley first.
It's like they didn't learn a god damn thing from last season.
You mean to tell me, a 4th round pick who got a significant amount of reps and playing time in the preseason, can't get ready to start an NFL game with 3 weeks to prepare?
You want him to get meaningful snaps so you have a realistic evaluation. Not playing in week 16 or 17 when half the roster is already on vacation. There is very little to lose and only a potential jackpot (even if a long shot) to win.
Also, whether you love Eli or hate him, I think we're all in agreement that we don't want to see him in this mess any longer. There is no longer any benefit to him or anyone else.
I never wanted Shurmur here to begin with, but I think I'm now in the camp of blowing this all up again.
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coach coaches the team, it's not unusual (tho it sucks to hear it) they might not speak on a player from the same point of view.
This is such an outdated model.
When did Eli ever say or imply that it was good enough to be "almost" in games? Doesn't Eli ALWAYS say that he (and the team) needs to play better?
Shurmur has "dull, mediocre, uninspiring coach" written all over him. I can't wait until the Giants are looking for another head coach in 2021 after Shurmur's brilliant 15-33 tenure ends...
When did Eli ever say or imply that it was good enough to be "almost" in games? Doesn't Eli ALWAYS say that he (and the team) needs to play better?
Shurmur has "dull, mediocre, uninspiring coach" written all over him. I can't wait until the Giants are looking for another head coach in 2021 after Shurmur's brilliant 15-33 tenure ends...
Dude, when is he amassing 17 more wins in the next 2 years? Lol going with the way this season looks, I see us MAYBE grabbing 2 more. So 12 more in the next 2 years is.....a stretch.
Might be on the hot seat after THIS year.
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"Shurmur also added that he specifically spoke with Manning and the entire team about needing to play better and why it isn't good enough for the Giants to be "almost" in these games, as Manning has described at times in radio spots when assessing the team's offense after losses."
When did Eli ever say or imply that it was good enough to be "almost" in games? Doesn't Eli ALWAYS say that he (and the team) needs to play better?
Shurmur has "dull, mediocre, uninspiring coach" written all over him. I can't wait until the Giants are looking for another head coach in 2021 after Shurmur's brilliant 15-33 tenure ends...
Dude, when is he amassing 17 more wins in the next 2 years? Lol going with the way this season looks, I see us MAYBE grabbing 2 more. So 12 more in the next 2 years is.....a stretch.
Might be on the hot seat after THIS year.
Should read "14 more wins."
The 3rd string QB is more of a project that is brought along slowly. Typically its a QB that excels at some part of the position but needs a lot of work on another part. Thats why they went and got Tanney to be the vet backup and then Webb and Lauletta fought it out for the project QB role. Its really not that difficult to understand for people who can look at it objectively and not with some agenda based on not drafting a QB at #2.
The draft is not for filling a need just for the coming year its to also fill positions long term and down the road. Why bring in a guy before he is ready to go behind this OL in an all but lost season? just to appease some fans? there will be plenty of games left where he can come in as he gets his feet under him.
I just dont understand this place sometimes and from some otherwise very knowledgeable fans.
For some, signs of incompetence are all they even want to see from the organization, so they're happy to jump on anything.
Changes to that mentality come from ownership and management. For example in the nba a team might put minutes limits on young or injury prone players. That directive comes from management. The coach, left to his own devices, would set his rotations to get wins in the near term, or at a max, plan for the playoffs this year. Hes not thinking multiple years out.
I would like to see lauletta out there. I think its certainly the right move for the giants. But I think it's more of a mara decision than a shurmur decision.
You play the games to win while you're still in it mathematically.
I could have sworn at the beginning of the year Shurmur said he's confident in all his QB's. This double talk is starting to be aggravating. Now it's he's not ready? So which is it. I've been supportive of DG and Shurmur but this is starting to wear thin.
It's a common strategy, and a move to #2 would signal they feel he's ready to give it a shot.
Well here we are at 1-7 with zero prospects for the playoffs. This situation screams QB change even more than that one did.
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is that he played in a pro-style system in college? Shurmur's just making it up as he goes along.
I could have sworn at the beginning of the year Shurmur said he's confident in all his QB's. This double talk is starting to be aggravating. Now it's he's not ready? So which is it. I've been supportive of DG and Shurmur but this is starting to wear thin.
OMG, a coach wasn't 100% forthcoming to the media/fans. Fire him immediately.
For as bad as Eli has been, it could be much much much worse.
Yup, had to be. At 5-4 we were still very much in the thick of the playoff race
I don't expect to see him even then.
If push came to shove, Shurmur would feel very confident turning the offensive reigns over to the rookie in a regular season game.
"Very comfortable," Shurmur said definitively when asked how comfortable he is about playing Lauletta in a regular season game.
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True, but the move was made nonetheless. Like Jerry said above, I wouldn't expect Shurmur to make the move - it should be mandated from above. Or it could have been forced had the front office worked to trade Eli before the deadline, which we admittedly don't know.
The point is that it's possible. From the global perspective there is no point in playing Eli anymore.
Completely. I have never been more disgusted with this team. It's never been this bad in my lifetime.
Then we can at least see what he has and make a good decision.
We are likely to go from Eli to Talley first.
It's like they didn't learn a god damn thing from last season.
Lol. True
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they had to make the move.
True, but the move was made nonetheless. Like Jerry said above, I wouldn't expect Shurmur to make the move - it should be mandated from above. Or it could have been forced had the front office worked to trade Eli before the deadline, which we admittedly don't know.
The point is that it's possible. From the global perspective there is no point in playing Eli anymore.
I tend to agree, unless Lauletta is legitimately that far down the road. Then you really can't just sit Eli. You still have to pay him this year, he will probably be gone at the end of the season, and how do you justify playing Tanney?
I think we see a different team out of the bye. Have some faith.
I have no idea what is going on. While I get the notion that Shurmur is trying to save his job, Eli is 4-19 since the start of last year, and they have zero shot at the playoffs. This team is borderline unwatchable as is. I don't see why waiting until they are mathematically eliminated should matter. Just get him ready to play ASAP.
I think we see a different team out of the bye. Have some faith.
Holy moly. You think this team is going 7-1 the rest of the way?
I just cannot even begin to understand what some of you guys are seeing on Sundays but whatever it is - it's a heck of a lot different than what I am.
You are getting tedious. Relax. They suck. No amount of hand wringing or complaining about every least little thing is going to matter one iota this year.
QB is not RB or WR. Goff was from Cal, he sucked last year. Wentz was surrounded by a Super Bowl team, it as easier.
I don't understand the fans that preach patience when the people running the show are incompetent. How much more evidence do you need?
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is that maybe he's just not ready, so why kill a young player's confidence by putting him in a situation where he is doomed to fail, especially behind an OL that would make it difficult for even a veteran QB to succeed behind?
The advantage we have in this situation is that we don't have an enormous investment in Lauletta. If we play him, he fails, and it destroys him, then it only costs us the 4th rounder we spent on him. But if we play him and he's competent, it could completely change how we approach this offseason - including a premium draft pick.
Here's the other issue: as the losses continue to add up so will our population on the IR. If we wait until weeks 15 or 16 to play Lauletta there's a good chance he's going to be surrounded by a skeleton crew. Now is the time to play him with our first string to try to pull something meaningful out of this season.
This guy is a potential lottery ticket, and we won't drive to the fucking 7-11 to even see if we won. The people running this team don't know what they are doing.
I have no idea what is going on. While I get the notion that Shurmur is trying to save his job, Eli is 4-19 since the start of last year, and they have zero shot at the playoffs. This team is borderline unwatchable as is. I don't see why waiting until they are mathematically eliminated should matter. Just get him ready to play ASAP.
Shurmur was being the good soldier supporting the decision his boss had made to cut Webb.
Now we have the reality.
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is that maybe he's just not ready, so why kill a young player's confidence by putting him in a situation where he is doomed to fail, especially behind an OL that would make it difficult for even a veteran QB to succeed behind?
The advantage we have in this situation is that we don't have an enormous investment in Lauletta. If we play him, he fails, and it destroys him, then it only costs us the 4th rounder we spent on him. But if we play him and he's competent, it could completely change how we approach this offseason - including a premium draft pick.
Here's the other issue: as the losses continue to add up so will our population on the IR. If we wait until weeks 15 or 16 to play Lauletta there's a good chance he's going to be surrounded by a skeleton crew. Now is the time to play him with our first string to try to pull something meaningful out of this season.
This guy is a potential lottery ticket, and we won't drive to the fucking 7-11 to even see if we won. The people running this team don't know what they are doing.
My thoughts exactly, which is what drove my post a few weeks ago.
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He's going to prepare and play the QB he feels is the best chance to win. I'm as frustrated with Eli as the rest here, but also realize PS/coaches/players are working to try and keep their jobs too.
I would play Eli too if I were Shurmur. And that's a huge part of the problem with the organization of this team: Shurmur isn't tasked with taking the global view. He's trying to turn a 2-14 season into a 5-11 season, and that isn't as important as considering the general direction of the organization.
True, but that is really the word today and specifically the NFL. No one has patience to see how it will work, least of all fans and franchises.
I don't understand the fans that preach patience when the people running the show are incompetent. How much more evidence do you need?
The expectations have gotten so damn low around here.
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HC has had two weeks to concoct a game plan. Frisco. Is starting a scrub the G men are starting a two time Super Bowl MVP ready and willing to pass fifty times on Monday night.
I think we see a different team out of the bye. Have some faith.
Holy moly. You think this team is going 7-1 the rest of the way?
I just cannot even begin to understand what some of you guys are seeing on Sundays but whatever it is - it's a heck of a lot different than what I am.
Strap in, it is going to be a wild ride. They may run the table.
I don't understand the fans that preach patience when the people running the show are incompetent. How much more evidence do you need?
Yeah, I am just kidding with the winning stuff this team is hot garbage and it is clear as day that the franchise is rudderless and a joke.
It really is an accomplishment in this NFL to be this bad. Also agree it is pathetic to have so many seasons over so early. There is no enjoyment. This is the lowest I personally have ever seen this team. Fans should be bitching and moaning twenty four seven.
The same crew that was sure Davis Webb was the heir to Manning are now pimping for a 4th round pick to start.
There is no purpose to starting Lauletta. In no unoverse does he possess fellow small school qb Wentz's athletism, he is not going to stop us from shopping for a #1 pick or free agent vet, and the vast probabilites are that we will hang around for a year or two before his inevitable release and appearance on someone's practice squad.
The same crew that was sure Davis Webb was the heir to Manning are now pimping for a 4th round pick to start.
There is no purpose to starting Lauletta. In no unoverse does he possess fellow small school qb Wentz's athletism, he is not going to stop us from shopping for a #1 pick or free agent vet, and the vast probabilites are that we will hang around for a year or two before his inevitable release and appearance on someone's practice squad.
I was the first guy on this board saying Webb couldn't play. That was obvious after watching him throw the ball a couple times.
That's not the case with Lauletta. He knows how to throw a football, and there's more point to play him than there is Eli, whose career with the Giants is over in all but name.
The same crew that was sure Davis Webb was the heir to Manning are now pimping for a 4th round pick to start.
There is no purpose to starting Lauletta. In no unoverse does he possess fellow small school qb Wentz's athletism, he is not going to stop us from shopping for a #1 pick or free agent vet, and the vast probabilites are that we will hang around for a year or two before his inevitable release and appearance on someone's practice squad.
Can you make any case for starting Eli?
It had nothing to do with being "sure Webb was the heir" - we were trying to figure out if there was any reason to keep him or have him in our plans going into this season.
If he had played in games last season, they may have cut bait before the draft and approached the QB position differently in the Spring.
They were the ones who used Webb being on the roster as a rationalization for continuing to go with Eli. That should never have happened because they should already have known that Davis Webb wasn't worth carrying.
Now we're going to double down on that dumb mistake with Lauletta?
It's not about thinking he's so much better - it's about finding out if he's worth a shit at all so that we can have an actual plan going into next season and have better color on what the QB situation here really is.
It makes ZERO sense to continue playing Eli. There is nothing to gain .He has no future here. We need to plan for the next QB and the first way to do that is to evaluate what is on the roster now while we have the opportunity to do so in live games.
The same crew that was sure Davis Webb was the heir to Manning are now pimping for a 4th round pick to start.
There is no purpose to starting Lauletta. In no unoverse does he possess fellow small school qb Wentz's athletism, he is not going to stop us from shopping for a #1 pick or free agent vet, and the vast probabilites are that we will hang around for a year or two before his inevitable release and appearance on someone's practice squad.
Homer - you never know when you need those 3rd string quarterbacks. The 1990 NFC Championship game produced this moment:
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The third stringer is the most popular guy on the team.
The same crew that was sure Davis Webb was the heir to Manning are now pimping for a 4th round pick to start.
There is no purpose to starting Lauletta. In no unoverse does he possess fellow small school qb Wentz's athletism, he is not going to stop us from shopping for a #1 pick or free agent vet, and the vast probabilites are that we will hang around for a year or two before his inevitable release and appearance on someone's practice squad.
I was the first guy on this board saying Webb couldn't play. That was obvious after watching him throw the ball a couple times.
That's not the case with Lauletta. He knows how to throw a football, and there's more point to play him than there is Eli, whose career with the Giants is over in all but name.
"Why isn't Lauletta ready?" is a fair question to ask. The guy is on the damn roster.
However, it's not like they're prepped him to start in any event. He's been #3...
I have no idea what is going on. While I get the notion that Shurmur is trying to save his job, Eli is 4-19 since the start of last year, and they have zero shot at the playoffs. This team is borderline unwatchable as is. I don't see why waiting until they are mathematically eliminated should matter. Just get him ready to play ASAP.
Follow actions, words mean significantly less.
Eli is expendable now and apparently can not be hurt despite taking hit, after hit, after hit, after hit, after hit, after hit, after hit, after hit, after hit.
I also do not think they will learn anything. Lauletta will scramble from pressure? We will see, more likely he goes into the concussion protocol or pops a knee. Then guess who comes off bench, punching bag Eli.
I want to see a new QB just to shut everyone up. Although, if they start Kyle and go to power sets and try to run everything through Barkley the team may improve. I just wonder why we have not tried that already with Eli.
Heh....I remember Summerall's reaction to Cavanaugh's one pass attempt: "Whoa...that was a rusty hinge"
It’s now been a half season which includes a bye week & Lauletta from a “pro style” offense is still not close to ready?
Draft players. Develop players. Play them. This is lacking.
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I just posted a direct quote from Shurmur right before the season started that he would be very comfortable playing Lauletta in the regular season as a rookie. Now he is from a small school and has a lot to learn?
I have no idea what is going on. While I get the notion that Shurmur is trying to save his job, Eli is 4-19 since the start of last year, and they have zero shot at the playoffs. This team is borderline unwatchable as is. I don't see why waiting until they are mathematically eliminated should matter. Just get him ready to play ASAP.
Follow actions, words mean significantly less.
Listening, I sort of got the impression that Lauletta would be playing this year, just not as early as other rookie QBs may be able to play.
On another note, it looks like Brown may start this week on the OL.
Not suggesting Lauletta has Wentz's skills, but the Bison and the Spiders essentially played the same competition.
Some of you really need to relax. This team isn't going anywhere this year and at no point did Shurmur say Lauletta was never going to get into a game the rest of the season. Shurmur intimated that he talked to Eli, and who knows, maybe they have a plan that all of us don't know about. Shurmur is not obligated to tell any of us what was discussed, so instead, let's all freak out about rushing our 4th round rookie into a bad situation that is more than likely set up for him to fail.
Also, comparing Lauletta to the likes of Wentz is also absurd. There is a reason one of those guys was a Top 3 pick and the other was drafted in the 4th round. Developmental QBs get drafted later, not in the Top 3. There is clearly a difference in talent level.
Again, there is a reason why Wentz was the #2 pick and Lauletta wasn't drafted until Round 4. Shurmur saw something in Lauletta that could be coached up, so let him coach him up. Don't jump to conclusions 8 games into a guys career because of last year and because Eli/Offensive Line didn't work out.
Lauletta isn't the future, he's just as likely to go out there and be our version of Peterman, and everyone on the team knows it. So you go out there and try and win, which is something anyway except to that wretched group of individuals who advocate "tanking".
Again, there is a reason why Wentz was the #2 pick and Lauletta wasn't drafted until Round 4. Shurmur saw something in Lauletta that could be coached up, so let him coach him up. Don't jump to conclusions 8 games into a guys career because of last year and because Eli/Offensive Line didn't work out.
Uh, Richmond plays in the CAA. Are you going to suggest the CAA is inferior to the MVFC? The CAA has at time sent 5 teams to the FCS playoffs. The currently have 5 teams in the top 25. Richmond went back in 2015. Madison has been in the title for two straight years. It's a kick ass conference.
And I'm not comparing Lauletta to Wentz. I'm comparing their situations. 1-AA is excellent football and really shouldn't be this negative factor Shurmur is making it out to be...
Lauletta isn't the future, he's just as likely to go out there and be our version of Peterman, and everyone on the team knows it. So you go out there and try and win, which is something anyway except to that wretched group of individuals who advocate "tanking".
He gives us such a "good chance to win" that we've won just 4 times in his last 20+ starts.
The winning% almost can't possibly be any worse with Lauletta.
Winning 1 or 2 of the last 8 games with Eli does absolutely nothing for the Giants now or in the future. And it also ensures that we still haven't a damn clue about whether or not Lauletta is worth considering as a starter next year.
Putting a Herm Edwards face on right now and playing to win the game is an exercise in futility. We aren't winning games because we suck. That's not going to change. Not this year.
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on gameday? Who do you sit?
FYI - other teams (i.e., Saints) activate 3 QBs.
Not saying we should, just that it's not unheard of.
yeah, because one of their QBs is mr. gadget!
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Christ this team fucking sucks.
QB is not RB or WR. Goff was from Cal, he sucked last year. Wentz was surrounded by a Super Bowl team, it as easier.
I know you meant Goff sucked as a rookie, not last year. Yet look at the jump he made in year 2 last year. I am in no way comparing the two, but the point is, you get better by playing. Yes the O-line is bad, but lets not discount the fact that Lauletta would have Odell Beckham to throw to, and Saquon Barkley to hand off to.
We know he will struggle. Throwing him out there for the last game or two will prove nothing. We need to see a larger sample size to see how he improves and if he has a future. What is wrong with that? Continuing to trot Eli out there is just wasting more time.
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Christ this team fucking sucks.
You are getting tedious. Relax. They suck. No amount of hand wringing or complaining about every least little thing is going to matter one iota this year.
QB is not RB or WR. Goff was from Cal, he sucked last year. Wentz was surrounded by a Super Bowl team, it as easier.
On what planet did Goff suck last year?
We are a ridiculous losing team. We are wading around the pool of bottom feeding teams of the NFL for most of this past decade. We continue to make decisions based upon whether we are mathematically eliminated versus what is good or even practical for the future of the franchise. We draft players in the middle to late rounds that have been absolute garbage or like other teams come with a high chance of failure.
Yet we want to hide behind some risk that our 4th round QB will be damaged if we put him when not fully ready??
How about we call a spade a spade. We suck at drafting players and most likely suck at developing and coaching players to be ready for game time readiness.
We are the opposite of “next man up”. Moreso...who is up?
Generally speaking...we suck at this and everything these players, coaches and front office execute on should be questioned.
In my opinion...
I don't think the majority of complaints are over the fact that the Giants haven't inserted Lauletta in the lineup.
Most of them are about the fact that he's still behind Tanney, who has exactly 0% of a future with the Giants. He was a poor signing at best, and the intention was to have him step in to maintain a winning campaign if Eli were hurt. With 0% chance of that happening as well, why he continues to hold a roster spot and take practice snaps over Lauletta defies any kind of logic.
I think its a large part this.
Also 8 games is a lot, if they make the move now and KL is a disaster ala N Peterman can they really go back to Eli at that point?
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and sending him off in a good way... which is not necessarily good for the team.
I think its a large part this.
Also 8 games is a lot, if they make the move now and KL is a disaster ala N Peterman can they really go back to Eli at that point?
If you make it very clear that you're not benching Eli for performance, but that you want to see if you have anything in Lauletta, I'm not sure why you'd have a hard time going back. It's no secret to anyone - not the rest of the NFL, not the fans - that Eli isn't going to play forever, and that the Giants need to find a successor.
Much more difficult to make that claim when you're benching a young QB for Nathan Peterman.
And Mara as a member of the competition committee probably takes that standard to a higher level.
If you go out and state that you are not playing the guy who gives you the best chance to win you can be treading on thin ice in that regards.
And Mara as a member of the competition committee probably takes that standard to a higher level.
If you go out and state that you are not playing the guy who gives you the best chance to win you can be treading on thin ice in that regards.
They're 1-7 with Eli in there. I don't think this would immediately sound the tank alarm. Worst case scenario, you find out Lauletta's a bum after two games and you can move him back.
I don't even think he should get a game or two - but why he's not getting the majority of the snaps in practice at this point is beyond me. He's not even ready for that? If that's the case, then he's not even useful as a backup QB, and was a wasted 4th round pick.
As far as Eli goes - Chef's point is interesting, but what is their plan for Eli right now? If there's a chance he's stepping down or being cut at the end of the year, then you'd imagine he starts all the games, letting him wrap up his tenure with the team. If he's already decided himself that he's had enough, you'd imagine the Giants would announce that, to give the fans a chance at seeing him one last time before he hangs them up.
Also 8 games is a lot, if they make the move now and KL is a disaster ala N Peterman can they really go back to Eli at that point?
This last point is why I'm ok holding off a little bit. There's 8 games left, thats a lot of season and a lot of media press conferences. If the rookie small school project is a dumpster fire out of the gate, which is more of a likelihood than not given what he has to work with...then what? You white knuckle it for half a season with the kid? Do you go back to Eli? I'm okay waiting a little bit.
However, if he doesn't get a couple of starts before this season is out then Giants management deserves absolutely everything that comes their way. There really is zero reason to ride out the status quo the entire season. Not one logical reason.
Eli stated last year that the starting QB should get all(the bulk) the work to prepare for the game. Yes I'm reading between the lines but I don't think Eli would be cool with going into the game with even less prep than they can squeeze in now.
Eli stated last year that the starting QB should get all(the bulk) the work to prepare for the game. Yes I'm reading between the lines but I don't think Eli would be cool with going into the game with even less prep than they can squeeze in now.
Sorry, that wasn't clear - what I meant to write was the majority of the backup snaps. Why he's splitting time with Tanney in that regard is beyond me. Can't have him get the practice snaps that Eli's due, that would never work.
How many reps?
"You lose count," Nassib said -- not because the number is so large but because it is so small. "It's the kind of plays that he's already had a lot of reps in and he already has a good feel for. He won't miss much by not taking them."
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Really? He's a stop gap roster fill at best.
Frankly, I can't think of a person on the roster less relevant to this team's future than Tanney.
And Mara as a member of the competition committee probably takes that standard to a higher level.
If you go out and state that you are not playing the guy who gives you the best chance to win you can be treading on thin ice in that regards.
That would be a weak shield against starting someone new on a 1-7 team.
Like I said, he's a stop gap - an "experienced, cheap vet ($550K) if Eli were to get hurt. The guy is 30. And in all likelihood he's been pretty vetted.
I guess you have a point, but I'd much rather see what we have in our 4th round investment who is only 22.
And Mara as a member of the competition committee probably takes that standard to a higher level.
If you go out and state that you are not playing the guy who gives you the best chance to win you can be treading on thin ice in that regards.
Unfortunately, the differential between the best and worst chance of winning during the first half of the season is only 1 game.
So I think we should risk it...
I would have no issue with that plan. However I worry that the fan base would erupt again much like the Geno Smith start last year. I think it might have to be Eli or Lauletta.
Regardless of whether he starts or not, at 1-7 Tanney still being on the roster at the expense of any other player is obscene. Just like last year with Smith, at this point he serves 0 purpose. He isn't in their long term plans and he isn't in their short-term (next year) either, as a starter. So, why the fuck is he even on the roster, let alone the #2 QB?
As for Shurmer's comments, they are ridiculous. At this point, the only reason/excuse is simply that he is not ready. That is your judgement call. But, inserting his 1-AA experience should be irrelevant at this point, as they elected to draft him as a potential for the future. At 1-7, their future starts now.
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Regardless of whether he starts or not, at 1-7 Tanney still being on the roster at the expense of any other player is obscene. Just like last year with Smith, at this point he serves 0 purpose. He isn't in their long term plans and he isn't in their short-term (next year) either, as a starter. So, why the fuck is he even on the roster, let alone the #2 QB?
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I've given up on Doom. It isn't that hard and it has been brought to his attention on numerous occasions. At this point, I just assume he is trolling us by continuing to do so.
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Players get the bye week off. They dont hold practice
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Players get the bye week off. They dont hold practice
Many fans don't realize that clubs are not allowed to have contact with players (except to receive medical treatment) during the bye week. The players must be given time off and not compelled to do any team activity. Case in Point - Jamon Brown was claimed on waivers during the Bye. He showed up on Thursday and was only allowed to get the playbook. He returned to LA and had to fly back on Sunday so he could be here Monday morning. He wouldn't have been allowed to hang around the facility and get orientated during the prescribed day's off.
Imagine the version of Webb we saw in the pre-season and now imagine that guy starting in place of Manning last year. What was that going to help.
When you bring in the back up, you need to either increase your chances of winning or really learn something about your team. If you have a trainwreck at QB you get nothing.
Imagine the version of Webb we saw in the pre-season and now imagine that guy starting in place of Manning last year. What was that going to help.
When you bring in the back up, you need to either increase your chances of winning or really learn something about your team. If you have a trainwreck at QB you get nothing.
My question then is - why can't Lauletta operate the offense?
The guy is the third string QB. We've seen scenarios where the third string QB is forced into action...we'll actually be seeing a third string QB this week in San Francisco.
If Lauletta is occupying a roster spot as the third string QB, why isn't he ready to play? Why isn't there an offensive scheme or package with which he feels comfortable? What if Eli and Tanney get hurt?
There are 53 spots on a roster - shouldn't all 53 be able to play if called upon? If they aren't it seems to me like something isn't being done correctly.
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If Lualetta cannot ooerate the offense, seriously what is the point? Would anyone be surprised if a rookie 4th round pick from Richmond isn't ready?
Imagine the version of Webb we saw in the pre-season and now imagine that guy starting in place of Manning last year. What was that going to help.
When you bring in the back up, you need to either increase your chances of winning or really learn something about your team. If you have a trainwreck at QB you get nothing.
My question then is - why can't Lauletta operate the offense?
The guy is the third string QB. We've seen scenarios where the third string QB is forced into action...we'll actually be seeing a third string QB this week in San Francisco.
If Lauletta is occupying a roster spot as the third string QB, why isn't he ready to play? Why isn't there an offensive scheme or package with which he feels comfortable? What if Eli and Tanney get hurt?
There are 53 spots on a roster - shouldn't all 53 be able to play if called upon? If they aren't it seems to me like something isn't being done correctly.
Do you suspect Webb, based on what you saw from him this pre-season could have operated the Giants offense in December of last year?
There's a major difference between 'should' and 'is.'
Lauletta doesn't look like that to me. He isn't the physical specimen Webb is, but he knows how to throw the ball. There's something to work with there, while with Webb there never was.
Lauletta:
Webb:
One guy knows how to throw, the other guy is Webb.
We have something to work with in Lauletta. No one is saying he's Drew Brees, but he doesn't have to be. He should, however, be prepared to play. If he is not that is a fireable failing of the coaching staff.
Its impossible to prove until we see KL in a real game but its a pretty safe assumption.
and for the record, I am in favor of giving KL meaningful playing time this year.
This team wins games as presently constructed 12% of the time. The front office already started planning for next year by trading and shopping their best bargaining chips, so why be concerned with whether Lauletta drags down that 12% to an 8%?