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| Eli Manning will continue to serve as the starting quarterback of the New York Giants at least through their Week 10 game against the San Francisco 49ers on Monday Night Football. Coming out of the bye week, some fans wondered if head coach Pat Shurmur would make the decision to bench Manning for rookie quarterback Kyle Lauletta. Those expectations died down a bit after Lauletta was arrested on a traffic violation. Lauletta will not start in Week 10 against the 49ers. On Tuesday, Shurmur told Giants reporters Manning would remain his starter in Week 10. Shurmur also added that he specifically spoke with Manning and the entire team about needing to play better and why it isn't good enough for the Giants to be "almost" in these games, as Manning has described at times in radio spots when assessing the team's offense after losses. |
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FYI - other teams (i.e., Saints) activate 3 QBs.
Not saying we should, just that it's not unheard of.
OK, but Hill plays many roles for the team - KR, WC QB, slot back, so he's hardly a waste of a roster spot.
Please....those are just details.
Or, this was just another in a long line of wasted 4th rd picks and he'll never be ready, a la Webb.
Then we can at least see what he has and make a good decision.
We are likely to go from Eli to Talley first.
It's like they didn't learn a god damn thing from last season.
You mean to tell me, a 4th round pick who got a significant amount of reps and playing time in the preseason, can't get ready to start an NFL game with 3 weeks to prepare?
You want him to get meaningful snaps so you have a realistic evaluation. Not playing in week 16 or 17 when half the roster is already on vacation. There is very little to lose and only a potential jackpot (even if a long shot) to win.
Also, whether you love Eli or hate him, I think we're all in agreement that we don't want to see him in this mess any longer. There is no longer any benefit to him or anyone else.
I never wanted Shurmur here to begin with, but I think I'm now in the camp of blowing this all up again.
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coach coaches the team, it's not unusual (tho it sucks to hear it) they might not speak on a player from the same point of view.
This is such an outdated model.
When did Eli ever say or imply that it was good enough to be "almost" in games? Doesn't Eli ALWAYS say that he (and the team) needs to play better?
Shurmur has "dull, mediocre, uninspiring coach" written all over him. I can't wait until the Giants are looking for another head coach in 2021 after Shurmur's brilliant 15-33 tenure ends...
When did Eli ever say or imply that it was good enough to be "almost" in games? Doesn't Eli ALWAYS say that he (and the team) needs to play better?
Shurmur has "dull, mediocre, uninspiring coach" written all over him. I can't wait until the Giants are looking for another head coach in 2021 after Shurmur's brilliant 15-33 tenure ends...
Dude, when is he amassing 17 more wins in the next 2 years? Lol going with the way this season looks, I see us MAYBE grabbing 2 more. So 12 more in the next 2 years is.....a stretch.
Might be on the hot seat after THIS year.
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"Shurmur also added that he specifically spoke with Manning and the entire team about needing to play better and why it isn't good enough for the Giants to be "almost" in these games, as Manning has described at times in radio spots when assessing the team's offense after losses."
When did Eli ever say or imply that it was good enough to be "almost" in games? Doesn't Eli ALWAYS say that he (and the team) needs to play better?
Shurmur has "dull, mediocre, uninspiring coach" written all over him. I can't wait until the Giants are looking for another head coach in 2021 after Shurmur's brilliant 15-33 tenure ends...
Dude, when is he amassing 17 more wins in the next 2 years? Lol going with the way this season looks, I see us MAYBE grabbing 2 more. So 12 more in the next 2 years is.....a stretch.
Might be on the hot seat after THIS year.
Should read "14 more wins."
The 3rd string QB is more of a project that is brought along slowly. Typically its a QB that excels at some part of the position but needs a lot of work on another part. Thats why they went and got Tanney to be the vet backup and then Webb and Lauletta fought it out for the project QB role. Its really not that difficult to understand for people who can look at it objectively and not with some agenda based on not drafting a QB at #2.
The draft is not for filling a need just for the coming year its to also fill positions long term and down the road. Why bring in a guy before he is ready to go behind this OL in an all but lost season? just to appease some fans? there will be plenty of games left where he can come in as he gets his feet under him.
I just dont understand this place sometimes and from some otherwise very knowledgeable fans.
For some, signs of incompetence are all they even want to see from the organization, so they're happy to jump on anything.
Changes to that mentality come from ownership and management. For example in the nba a team might put minutes limits on young or injury prone players. That directive comes from management. The coach, left to his own devices, would set his rotations to get wins in the near term, or at a max, plan for the playoffs this year. Hes not thinking multiple years out.
I would like to see lauletta out there. I think its certainly the right move for the giants. But I think it's more of a mara decision than a shurmur decision.
You play the games to win while you're still in it mathematically.
I could have sworn at the beginning of the year Shurmur said he's confident in all his QB's. This double talk is starting to be aggravating. Now it's he's not ready? So which is it. I've been supportive of DG and Shurmur but this is starting to wear thin.
It's a common strategy, and a move to #2 would signal they feel he's ready to give it a shot.
Well here we are at 1-7 with zero prospects for the playoffs. This situation screams QB change even more than that one did.
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is that he played in a pro-style system in college? Shurmur's just making it up as he goes along.
I could have sworn at the beginning of the year Shurmur said he's confident in all his QB's. This double talk is starting to be aggravating. Now it's he's not ready? So which is it. I've been supportive of DG and Shurmur but this is starting to wear thin.
OMG, a coach wasn't 100% forthcoming to the media/fans. Fire him immediately.
For as bad as Eli has been, it could be much much much worse.
Yup, had to be. At 5-4 we were still very much in the thick of the playoff race
I don't expect to see him even then.
If push came to shove, Shurmur would feel very confident turning the offensive reigns over to the rookie in a regular season game.
"Very comfortable," Shurmur said definitively when asked how comfortable he is about playing Lauletta in a regular season game.
Shurmur comment from September - ( New Window )
True, but the move was made nonetheless. Like Jerry said above, I wouldn't expect Shurmur to make the move - it should be mandated from above. Or it could have been forced had the front office worked to trade Eli before the deadline, which we admittedly don't know.
The point is that it's possible. From the global perspective there is no point in playing Eli anymore.
Completely. I have never been more disgusted with this team. It's never been this bad in my lifetime.
Then we can at least see what he has and make a good decision.
We are likely to go from Eli to Talley first.
It's like they didn't learn a god damn thing from last season.
Lol. True
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they had to make the move.
True, but the move was made nonetheless. Like Jerry said above, I wouldn't expect Shurmur to make the move - it should be mandated from above. Or it could have been forced had the front office worked to trade Eli before the deadline, which we admittedly don't know.
The point is that it's possible. From the global perspective there is no point in playing Eli anymore.
I tend to agree, unless Lauletta is legitimately that far down the road. Then you really can't just sit Eli. You still have to pay him this year, he will probably be gone at the end of the season, and how do you justify playing Tanney?
I think we see a different team out of the bye. Have some faith.
I have no idea what is going on. While I get the notion that Shurmur is trying to save his job, Eli is 4-19 since the start of last year, and they have zero shot at the playoffs. This team is borderline unwatchable as is. I don't see why waiting until they are mathematically eliminated should matter. Just get him ready to play ASAP.
I think we see a different team out of the bye. Have some faith.
Holy moly. You think this team is going 7-1 the rest of the way?
I just cannot even begin to understand what some of you guys are seeing on Sundays but whatever it is - it's a heck of a lot different than what I am.
You are getting tedious. Relax. They suck. No amount of hand wringing or complaining about every least little thing is going to matter one iota this year.
QB is not RB or WR. Goff was from Cal, he sucked last year. Wentz was surrounded by a Super Bowl team, it as easier.
I don't understand the fans that preach patience when the people running the show are incompetent. How much more evidence do you need?
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is that maybe he's just not ready, so why kill a young player's confidence by putting him in a situation where he is doomed to fail, especially behind an OL that would make it difficult for even a veteran QB to succeed behind?
The advantage we have in this situation is that we don't have an enormous investment in Lauletta. If we play him, he fails, and it destroys him, then it only costs us the 4th rounder we spent on him. But if we play him and he's competent, it could completely change how we approach this offseason - including a premium draft pick.
Here's the other issue: as the losses continue to add up so will our population on the IR. If we wait until weeks 15 or 16 to play Lauletta there's a good chance he's going to be surrounded by a skeleton crew. Now is the time to play him with our first string to try to pull something meaningful out of this season.
This guy is a potential lottery ticket, and we won't drive to the fucking 7-11 to even see if we won. The people running this team don't know what they are doing.
I have no idea what is going on. While I get the notion that Shurmur is trying to save his job, Eli is 4-19 since the start of last year, and they have zero shot at the playoffs. This team is borderline unwatchable as is. I don't see why waiting until they are mathematically eliminated should matter. Just get him ready to play ASAP.
Shurmur was being the good soldier supporting the decision his boss had made to cut Webb.
Now we have the reality.
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is that maybe he's just not ready, so why kill a young player's confidence by putting him in a situation where he is doomed to fail, especially behind an OL that would make it difficult for even a veteran QB to succeed behind?
The advantage we have in this situation is that we don't have an enormous investment in Lauletta. If we play him, he fails, and it destroys him, then it only costs us the 4th rounder we spent on him. But if we play him and he's competent, it could completely change how we approach this offseason - including a premium draft pick.
Here's the other issue: as the losses continue to add up so will our population on the IR. If we wait until weeks 15 or 16 to play Lauletta there's a good chance he's going to be surrounded by a skeleton crew. Now is the time to play him with our first string to try to pull something meaningful out of this season.
This guy is a potential lottery ticket, and we won't drive to the fucking 7-11 to even see if we won. The people running this team don't know what they are doing.
My thoughts exactly, which is what drove my post a few weeks ago.
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He's going to prepare and play the QB he feels is the best chance to win. I'm as frustrated with Eli as the rest here, but also realize PS/coaches/players are working to try and keep their jobs too.
I would play Eli too if I were Shurmur. And that's a huge part of the problem with the organization of this team: Shurmur isn't tasked with taking the global view. He's trying to turn a 2-14 season into a 5-11 season, and that isn't as important as considering the general direction of the organization.
True, but that is really the word today and specifically the NFL. No one has patience to see how it will work, least of all fans and franchises.
I don't understand the fans that preach patience when the people running the show are incompetent. How much more evidence do you need?
The expectations have gotten so damn low around here.
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HC has had two weeks to concoct a game plan. Frisco. Is starting a scrub the G men are starting a two time Super Bowl MVP ready and willing to pass fifty times on Monday night.
I think we see a different team out of the bye. Have some faith.
Holy moly. You think this team is going 7-1 the rest of the way?
I just cannot even begin to understand what some of you guys are seeing on Sundays but whatever it is - it's a heck of a lot different than what I am.
Strap in, it is going to be a wild ride. They may run the table.
I don't understand the fans that preach patience when the people running the show are incompetent. How much more evidence do you need?
Yeah, I am just kidding with the winning stuff this team is hot garbage and it is clear as day that the franchise is rudderless and a joke.
It really is an accomplishment in this NFL to be this bad. Also agree it is pathetic to have so many seasons over so early. There is no enjoyment. This is the lowest I personally have ever seen this team. Fans should be bitching and moaning twenty four seven.