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lawguy9801 : 11/6/2018 12:46 pm
Didn't see a thread on this. Doesn't sound like Lauletta is ready.

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Eli Manning will continue to serve as the starting quarterback of the New York Giants at least through their Week 10 game against the San Francisco 49ers on Monday Night Football.

Coming out of the bye week, some fans wondered if head coach Pat Shurmur would make the decision to bench Manning for rookie quarterback Kyle Lauletta. Those expectations died down a bit after Lauletta was arrested on a traffic violation. Lauletta will not start in Week 10 against the 49ers.

On Tuesday, Shurmur told Giants reporters Manning would remain his starter in Week 10. Shurmur also added that he specifically spoke with Manning and the entire team about needing to play better and why it isn't good enough for the Giants to be "almost" in these games, as Manning has described at times in radio spots when assessing the team's offense after losses.

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RE: What is going on here?  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/8/2018 12:04 am : link
In comment 14168542 Doomster said:
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Regardless of whether he starts or not, at 1-7 Tanney still being on the roster at the expense of any other player is obscene. Just like last year with Smith, at this point he serves 0 purpose. He isn't in their long term plans and he isn't in their short-term (next year) either, as a starter. So, why the fuck is he even on the roster, let alone the #2 QB?


A precise, intelligent paragraph? there is hope for BBI!

True hope will only be achieved when you learn how to use the reply/quote feature.
RE: RE: What is going on here?  
Diver_Down : 11/8/2018 6:27 am : link
In comment 14168554 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 14168542 Doomster said:


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Regardless of whether he starts or not, at 1-7 Tanney still being on the roster at the expense of any other player is obscene. Just like last year with Smith, at this point he serves 0 purpose. He isn't in their long term plans and he isn't in their short-term (next year) either, as a starter. So, why the fuck is he even on the roster, let alone the #2 QB?


A precise, intelligent paragraph? there is hope for BBI!


True hope will only be achieved when you learn how to use the reply/quote feature.


I've given up on Doom. It isn't that hard and it has been brought to his attention on numerous occasions. At this point, I just assume he is trolling us by continuing to do so.
RE: Personally, I would have taken the last 2 weeks to prepare Lauletta  
ron mexico : 11/8/2018 6:35 am : link
In comment 14168423 Matt M. said:
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and see how it goes Monday night

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Players get the bye week off. They dont hold practice
RE: RE: Personally, I would have taken the last 2 weeks to prepare Lauletta  
Diver_Down : 11/8/2018 6:44 am : link
In comment 14168584 ron mexico said:
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In comment 14168423 Matt M. said:


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and see how it goes Monday night

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Players get the bye week off. They dont hold practice


Many fans don't realize that clubs are not allowed to have contact with players (except to receive medical treatment) during the bye week. The players must be given time off and not compelled to do any team activity. Case in Point - Jamon Brown was claimed on waivers during the Bye. He showed up on Thursday and was only allowed to get the playbook. He returned to LA and had to fly back on Sunday so he could be here Monday morning. He wouldn't have been allowed to hang around the facility and get orientated during the prescribed day's off.
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christian : 11/8/2018 7:03 am : link
If Lualetta cannot ooerate the offense, seriously what is the point? Would anyone be surprised if a rookie 4th round pick from Richmond isn't ready?

Imagine the version of Webb we saw in the pre-season and now imagine that guy starting in place of Manning last year. What was that going to help.

When you bring in the back up, you need to either increase your chances of winning or really learn something about your team. If you have a trainwreck at QB you get nothing.
RE: ...  
Go Terps : 11/8/2018 1:14 pm : link
In comment 14168592 christian said:
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If Lualetta cannot ooerate the offense, seriously what is the point? Would anyone be surprised if a rookie 4th round pick from Richmond isn't ready?

Imagine the version of Webb we saw in the pre-season and now imagine that guy starting in place of Manning last year. What was that going to help.

When you bring in the back up, you need to either increase your chances of winning or really learn something about your team. If you have a trainwreck at QB you get nothing.


My question then is - why can't Lauletta operate the offense?

The guy is the third string QB. We've seen scenarios where the third string QB is forced into action...we'll actually be seeing a third string QB this week in San Francisco.

If Lauletta is occupying a roster spot as the third string QB, why isn't he ready to play? Why isn't there an offensive scheme or package with which he feels comfortable? What if Eli and Tanney get hurt?

There are 53 spots on a roster - shouldn't all 53 be able to play if called upon? If they aren't it seems to me like something isn't being done correctly.
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christian : 11/8/2018 1:46 pm : link
In comment 14169068 Go Terps said:
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In comment 14168592 christian said:


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If Lualetta cannot ooerate the offense, seriously what is the point? Would anyone be surprised if a rookie 4th round pick from Richmond isn't ready?

Imagine the version of Webb we saw in the pre-season and now imagine that guy starting in place of Manning last year. What was that going to help.

When you bring in the back up, you need to either increase your chances of winning or really learn something about your team. If you have a trainwreck at QB you get nothing.



My question then is - why can't Lauletta operate the offense?

The guy is the third string QB. We've seen scenarios where the third string QB is forced into action...we'll actually be seeing a third string QB this week in San Francisco.

If Lauletta is occupying a roster spot as the third string QB, why isn't he ready to play? Why isn't there an offensive scheme or package with which he feels comfortable? What if Eli and Tanney get hurt?

There are 53 spots on a roster - shouldn't all 53 be able to play if called upon? If they aren't it seems to me like something isn't being done correctly.


Do you suspect Webb, based on what you saw from him this pre-season could have operated the Giants offense in December of last year?

There's a major difference between 'should' and 'is.'
Depends on what you mean by run the O  
ron mexico : 11/8/2018 1:54 pm : link
I think he could have received the play calls, communicated that in the huddle and execute the plays to the best of his ability, probably making a bunch of mistakes and bad throws, while gaining valuable experience in the process.





I thought Webb couldn't play  
Go Terps : 11/8/2018 1:56 pm : link
I thought he was a questionable draft pick based on video I'd seen of him...he looked like a mechanical disaster that simply did not know how to throw a football on a professional level. That was backed up by his preseason work - the guy simply is not a pro football player. I think Reese drafted him for the same reason he drafted some of his other mistakes: because he looked like a football player.

Lauletta doesn't look like that to me. He isn't the physical specimen Webb is, but he knows how to throw the ball. There's something to work with there, while with Webb there never was.

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Webb:



One guy knows how to throw, the other guy is Webb.

We have something to work with in Lauletta. No one is saying he's Drew Brees, but he doesn't have to be. He should, however, be prepared to play. If he is not that is a fireable failing of the coaching staff.
Really very laughable that at 1-7 any allegedly knowledgeable  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/8/2018 2:05 pm : link
person would utter the phrase "he gives us the best chance to win". That's an efficient way to identify yourself as a person who doesn't appear to know what he or she is talking about.
I know Eli has played poorly  
ron mexico : 11/8/2018 3:24 pm : link
but he definitely still gives up the best chance to win.

Its impossible to prove until we see KL in a real game but its a pretty safe assumption.

and for the record, I am in favor of giving KL meaningful playing time this year.

The problem with it is  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/8/2018 4:21 pm : link
when you're 1-7, you should be looking at the bigger picture rather than playing percentages. Looking for that extra edge to win in the margins is for teams that are competitive.

This team wins games as presently constructed 12% of the time. The front office already started planning for next year by trading and shopping their best bargaining chips, so why be concerned with whether Lauletta drags down that 12% to an 8%?
thats a different argument  
ron mexico : 11/8/2018 4:37 pm : link
don't go around calling other posters stupid then drastically move the goal posts

the Giants owners make a fortune every season  
Jersey55 : 11/9/2018 5:05 pm : link
whether we twin or lose so they actually don't have to do anything and the profits will stay the same and there is no gun to their head to do anything but make tons more profits......
If the organization plans to sit Eli...  
EricJ : 11/9/2018 5:09 pm : link
and roll with our #2 QB (dont even remember his name) then they truly are incompetent. It would be a repeat of last year's debacle putting Geno in.
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