Is Bridgewater the answer plus two OLinemen?

I’m with you. I’ve suggested Bridgewater or Jacoby Brissett as options.

Bridgewater and Cousins had a really cool moment where Cousins said he left quite an impression on the Vikings.

The path to success doesn’t necessarily require a QB in the first round of this draft.

Also has ties to Shurmur.
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it ain't as easy (for us) as just filling and drafting positions along the OL. An "above average" C in FA, you say? I thought that was Baas. And we thought we were drafting an above average C in Richburg. We thought we were getting an above average LT in FA, too, but look what happened. OT in Rd 1 and OG in Rd 2? That would be Pugh and Flowers -- neither on the team anymore, and Hernandez...OK, he might be good. My point is not to bust balls but to declare we institutionally suck at getting OL.

For that reason alone I'd be OK with going all-in on D if that's really where the best players are when we pick. I feel awful for Odell and Saquon in all this. They are truly going to waste and I see no way around it.

In comment 14167587 Drewcon40 said:

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I’m with you. I’ve suggested Bridgewater or Jacoby Brissett as options. Bridgewater and Cousins had a really cool moment where Cousins said he left quite an impression on the Vikings. The path to success doesn’t necessarily require a QB in the first round of this draft.

There’s a big difference between Bridgewater and Brisset. Before his injury, Bridgewater looked like an NFL starter. Jacoby Brisset is at best a backup.

...and admittedly it wasn’t an original thought - when he was suggested by the post a few weeks ago, I researched him a bit. There were some cool stories on Parcells taking a liking to him and has a history of New England’s culture (Nate Soldier withstanding).


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is not the answer. Eli will be gone after this season, and the Giants will draft his successor in 2019 or 2020. They've already seen Herbert four times. it's early, but right now he's the leader for their pick if he's available.

As far as the OL is concerned, the RT for the Buccaneers has been discussed as a possible FA target. A high pick is also likely to be an OL, but this team also desperately needs pass rushers. We have a lot of holes.

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To a super bowl and he'll also hurt our draft position. Not sure why we'd want this in 2019 or 2020. If we don't have our QB of the future, we need to lose.

then YES, he is the answer.

Great person, solid back-up QB, not going to take a team to a Super Bowl championship.

The Giants need to go get there next franchise QB, and train him to be the best QB possible.

ever been good? I mean like... Above average, top 15?

Bridgewater hype is high without warrant.

I don't get it.

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Bridgewater hype is high without warrant. I don't get it.

Not to mention the Saints may see him as the post Brees plan. Just wishful thinking and hair trigger ideas from fans and some media.

One hit away from ending his career.

Have you ever watched him?

I would take Carr over Bridgewater and I would rather have root canal with no Novocain then have Carr.

and No.

is basically Nick Foles.

So if you think Bridgewater is the answer, what would the take be on Foles?

Is another of 50,000 false dichotomy threads here.

Tank 2 years vs. one very specific plan.

The Giants succession plan for Eli does not include drafting a quarterback in the first round.

If Eli is not brought back for next season, Bridgewater might be a possibility, but I keep thinking it will be someone like Sloter to compete with Lauletta

All o line ...and some defensive playmakers.


But, er, we've seen the greed for offensive playmakers rear it's ugly head before.

But I agree with Joe. 2019 it doesn't really matter who the qb is. One would want to build the team as a competitive endeavor first. Then add the QB (if necessary) in 2020.

Even multiple picks at same OL positions. To hedge. It's over due. Which means shurmer gets a pass.

Or low draft pick QB for 2019....a durable type one...hehehe.

all set.

With those that don't agree with Teddy.

But . . .

If the counter argument is "wait" until 2020 and have someone as bad as Lauletta start - I don't think you understand how truly awful that can be.

And for those who want defense-- what's the point of having Barkley and OBJ if you can't maximize two superstars? How can anyone argue that they aren't being wasted? How can you minimize the idea that two superstars are "intentionally" stuck in the mud until 2021? You drafted SB and extended OBJ only to not allow them to maximize their talents for 3 years? Isn't that silly? If your QB is extremely bad you need a super defense to win, don't you? How many years away are the GMen from a super defense while getting a competent enough offense which right now is putrid?

you keep posting logical thoughts and you could be banned by BBI...

Will get better offers than being a one yr place holder for the Giants. There are always the AJ McCarron/Mike Glennon types that aren't good enough to start but always appear to be in demand. Youngish with potential. Bridgewater is one of those.

Fitzpatrick is an UFA next year, and and will only be 36 years old....only cost 3.3M this year......and everyone on the team will grow beards....

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Will get better offers than being a one yr place holder for the Giants. There are always the AJ McCarron/Mike Glennon types that aren't good enough to start but always appear to be in demand. Youngish with potential. Bridgewater is one of those.

SO you don't think Teddy is more than a placeholder? I was hopeful he could be with he GMen for a long time? I don't know him that well- I just threw it out there. But I was hoping he is more than juts a placeholder.

And if he is just "decent" and the Gmen get some Olinemen -- you aren't getting a stud QB in the draft. You would have won too many games. Unless you trade up which would be it's own disaster.

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In comment 14167669 Tony in Tampa said: Quote: Will get better offers than being a one yr place holder for the Giants. There are always the AJ McCarron/Mike Glennon types that aren't good enough to start but always appear to be in demand. Youngish with potential. Bridgewater is one of those. SO you don't think Teddy is more than a placeholder? I was hopeful he could be with he GMen for a long time? I don't know him that well- I just threw it out there. But I was hoping he is more than juts a placeholder. And if he is just "decent" and the Gmen get some Olinemen -- you aren't getting a stud QB in the draft. You would have won too many games. Unless you trade up which would be it's own disaster.

Actually I'm saying the opposite. I think the perception in the league/NFL media and this board is that what the Giants are looking for is a placeholder. Herbert does not declare for the draft in 2019 or goes to a team with a higher pick like the Raiders and the Giants want to hold on until they can get to 2020 and get their QB of the future.

I think Teddy's better than that and may find a team next yr where he can get a 3-4yr deal and a commitment to be the starter.

He hasn't been able to get himself into an NFL game since ripping up his knee, so yes, he's probably a placeholder or backup, at best.

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In comment 14167674 giantstock said: Quote: In comment 14167669 Tony in Tampa said: Quote: Will get better offers than being a one yr place holder for the Giants. There are always the AJ McCarron/Mike Glennon types that aren't good enough to start but always appear to be in demand. Youngish with potential. Bridgewater is one of those. SO you don't think Teddy is more than a placeholder? I was hopeful he could be with he GMen for a long time? I don't know him that well- I just threw it out there. But I was hoping he is more than juts a placeholder. And if he is just "decent" and the Gmen get some Olinemen -- you aren't getting a stud QB in the draft. You would have won too many games. Unless you trade up which would be it's own disaster. Actually I'm saying the opposite. I think the perception in the league/NFL media and this board is that what the Giants are looking for is a placeholder. Herbert does not declare for the draft in 2019 or goes to a team with a higher pick like the Raiders and the Giants want to hold on until they can get to 2020 and get their QB of the future. I think Teddy's better than that and may find a team next yr where he can get a 3-4yr deal and a commitment to be the starter.

Okay. What I was saying is for the GMen to sign him for several years not just 1 or 2.

and 3 offensive lineman is more like it. And while I still feel that Eli can still play and can still throw the football well, I do not see any scenario where he will be a Giant next season.So Bridgewater would be the best option IMO

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Tyrod can play. I don't know why his name isn't thrown around more as a stop-gap type until the Giants draft and/or develop their guy.

I would also take Brissett over Teddy B. I think Brissett, in the right offense, can win in the NFL.

The question is do you want a quick fix or a sustainable long term solution?

Teddy Bridgewater, is a fine stop gap QB. If it is your intention to win as many games as possible then you go that direction.

If it is your intention to slowly build a championship team, then you do everything that you can to acquire a young qb that you can build around.

The Jets right or wrong made that choice. They had Teddy Bridgewater and chose to trade him and to build around Sam Darnold.

If Bridgewater were the Jets qb I expect that they would be a better team this year, however, the Jets choose the long term approach.

...and him not being the franchise QB we hope for. I guess we can say that for any position but we need to hit on this. If it is Herbert, then take him. Then I think you bring in the 1 or 2 year bridge QB.

but if they do, Tyrod is a solid choice provided you are ok with his warts.

If the Giants draft a QB, the back up will be his mentor not a stop gap.

The drafted QB will have to start as soon as possible.

Eli stays if he can take on that role, if he cannot then the Giants will be looking for someone who can.

It is not easy to sit when you think that you can still play. Eli may not be able to do this. Also Eli takes up significant CAP space. More than a mentor would get.

he would have been here already. Shurmur has familiarity with him, and I can't recall his name ever popping up anywhere associated with NYG than here on BBI. I like Bridgewater, an feel that had he not gotten hurt, would be considered in the top 1/3 of NFL QB's now, but he suffered one of the most horrible knee injuries possible. He played pretty good for the Jets, but was limping all preseason, the injury concern is real, and I wouldn't take the chance.

they're going to have to build a depth chart at the QB position. I have no problem with bringing in Bridgewater to compete with Lauletta and a potential 2019 draft pick. I'd rather and add a guy who may still have untapped upside as opposed to a vet stopgap who's going to be gone in a year regardless.

I can't see them paying him 24 million next year and they save 17 million in cap space plus 24 million of real Mara dollars if they release/retire him.

I have no idea who the next QB will be. But I'd be very happy if the Giants used their early draft choices on OL's and pass rushers not a QB in 2019 and signed a journeyman FA to play QB.

He was a game manager BEFORE he blew out his knee. He should only be an option for a team wanting a stopgap or a solid backup. He is not someone you want as your long term QB.

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He was a game manager BEFORE he blew out his knee. He should only be an option for a team wanting a stopgap or a solid backup. He is not someone you want as your long term QB.

He was a game manager his first and only full year as a starter but it was clear that he was an ascending player.He is still very young only 25 or 26 this guy IMO would be the best choice for any team looking for a QB.

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Fitzpatrick is an UFA next year, and and will only be 36 years old....only cost 3.3M this year......and everyone on the team will grow beards....

I'm in. Might not win but will be funny.

3/5's of this line needs to be overhauled. And if Solder continues to under perform, then 80% of the line needs to be jettisoned. I'll let Hernandez slide in his rookie year. He has shown some flashes so they can keep him at LG for the foreseeable future. Teddy or Jacoby could work here if this line gets fixed. Unfortunately, lines are not built in a year. It takes some time, which means at least 2 more years to be a competent unit to battle the big uglies.

high QBR of 88.7. 28 TDs and 22 INTs. And people are screaming about Eli's production the last few years? If you're not happy with eli, you're going to be apoplectic about Bridgewater.

He is mediocre at best. Probably not even an upgrade over what Lauletta can top out at.
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He hasn't been able to get himself into an NFL game since ripping up his knee, so yes, he's probably a placeholder or backup, at best.

I don't get it either. It's like every three days some new thread pops up where someone brings Bridgewater up. I'm starting to think his agent is starting an underground campaign.

The problem is, there isn't likely to be any answers for us in 2019 and the team needs to move on from Eli.

with Bridgewater. Other than get injured, he has done very little in the NFL. Does anyone really see him as a franchise QB?

to be the starter I'll watch poker before watching the Giants.

And people think we're in "QB hell" now....

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The question is do you want a quick fix or a sustainable long term solution? Teddy Bridgewater, is a fine stop gap QB. If it is your intention to win as many games as possible then you go that direction. If it is your intention to slowly build a championship team, then you do everything that you can to acquire a young qb that you can build around. The Jets right or wrong made that choice. They had Teddy Bridgewater and chose to trade him and to build around Sam Darnold. If Bridgewater were the Jets qb I expect that they would be a better team this year, however, the Jets choose the long term approach.

IS Teddy a stop gap? Maybe he is pretty good?

Secondly, your point of GMen vs Jets is irrelevant. The Gmen are trying to win fast. If you're not trying to win fast then why spend so much on OBJ and hwy draft a rb with 2nd overall pick when if if u go slow it will be about 4-5 years before you're good (if you go SLOW)?

The GMen have two position players that are superstar caliber. To go very slow just kills the reason why you got them.

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he would have been here already. Shurmur has familiarity with him, and I can't recall his name ever popping up anywhere associated with NYG than here on BBI. I like Bridgewater, an feel that had he not gotten hurt, would be considered in the top 1/3 of NFL QB's now, but he suffered one of the most horrible knee injuries possible. He played pretty good for the Jets, but was limping all preseason, the injury concern is real, and I wouldn't take the chance.

I don't agree. Shurmur was not going to overrule the owner who happens to love Eli. To bring in Teddy would have meant saying goodbye to ELi. Mara was not going to let that happen.

But maybe you're right about the knee.

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3/5's of this line needs to be overhauled. And if Solder continues to under perform, then 80% of the line needs to be jettisoned. I'll let Hernandez slide in his rookie year. He has shown some flashes so they can keep him at LG for the foreseeable future. Teddy or Jacoby could work here if this line gets fixed. Unfortunately, lines are not built in a year. It takes some time, which means at least 2 more years to be a competent unit to battle the big uglies.

Did you miss teh part IN THE TITLE when I said get TWO OL (in the body I said draft a Tackle and a guard)? And in the body I said to get a FA center too?

Waiting 4-5 years for the QB to get up to speed while watching super years of SB and OBJ slip away would be a travesty, wouldn't it? What would have been the point then if it's going to be 4 years of both SB and OBJ?

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with Bridgewater. Other than get injured, he has done very little in the NFL. Does anyone really see him as a franchise QB?

They don't need a franchise QB. Not with SB and OBJ. And how long are you going to stink before you can draft 1? You realize that the Gmen may wind up being good enough that they never get one if this upcoming draft one isn't available. After this draft they may never get that chance again unless you deliberately tank. Mara won't do it.

when I continue to see the word "tank" thrown around.

Even funnier is that some people here would think that ANYONE in the organization is doing anything to intentionally lose even a single game to improve our draft position. Not to mention do it two years in a row to potentially have a good pick in 2020.

Some people are innovators who re-invent "stupid" every day.

Maybe the conversations n the organization will go like this...

Gettleman....... "Pat, I know that we hired you to bring another championship to New York. At this point, we feel that the best way to do that would be to intentionally lose the rest of the games this year so that we have an opportunity to draft a kid who may or may not prove to be a solid starting QB in the league. We may want you to lose all of the games next year too"

Then...

Shurmur..... "Men, I know you have all worked hard your entire lives to get to the NFL. You have been dreaming of holding the Lombardi trophy one day. Not sure if you caught the college came on TV last night but that QB looks special. No offense Eli. So, what we need you to do is go out there and do your best but still lose. We really need to draft that rookie next year. Oh, and don't worry about making yourselves look silly on film for the rest of the league to see. You will still find jobs if it does not work out here for you."

In comment 14168354 giantstock said:

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In comment 14167832 smshmth8690 said: Quote: he would have been here already. Shurmur has familiarity with him, and I can't recall his name ever popping up anywhere associated with NYG than here on BBI. I like Bridgewater, an feel that had he not gotten hurt, would be considered in the top 1/3 of NFL QB's now, but he suffered one of the most horrible knee injuries possible. He played pretty good for the Jets, but was limping all preseason, the injury concern is real, and I wouldn't take the chance. I don't agree. Shurmur was not going to overrule the owner who happens to love Eli. To bring in Teddy would have meant saying goodbye to ELi. Mara was not going to let that happen. But maybe you're right about the knee.

Valid point, especially the way the Giants cut Webb to (allegedly) avoid any potential turmoil.

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In comment 14168038 anon837 said: Quote: 3/5's of this line needs to be overhauled. And if Solder continues to under perform, then 80% of the line needs to be jettisoned. I'll let Hernandez slide in his rookie year. He has shown some flashes so they can keep him at LG for the foreseeable future. Teddy or Jacoby could work here if this line gets fixed. Unfortunately, lines are not built in a year. It takes some time, which means at least 2 more years to be a competent unit to battle the big uglies. Did you miss teh part IN THE TITLE when I said get TWO OL (in the body I said draft a Tackle and a guard)? And in the body I said to get a FA center too? Waiting 4-5 years for the QB to get up to speed while watching super years of SB and OBJ slip away would be a travesty, wouldn't it? What would have been the point then if it's going to be 4 years of both SB and OBJ?

I read your post. Teddy is a nice QB. But you still have to fix this line. They tried it in the offseason through FA and the draft and it failed miserably. It's on par with that dumpster fire last year. There is no quick fix. Sure, pick up 2 OL in the draft. Remember, they don't have a 3rd rounder, so whatever they get with their 1st 2 picks better pop and pay dividends. And hopefully whatever FA C you think is out there also better pay dividends. The front office miscalculated and overvalued their talent. Hopefully they don't double down again on a bad hand and think they can attempt another quick fix. Yes, Barkley and OBJ are in their prime. That should not force their hand in to making bad decisions. The Giants are getting their lunch eaten at the line of scrimmage. Until that is PROPERLY addressed and corrected, this offense will go nowhere.

In comment 14168464 anon837 said:

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In comment 14168360 giantstock said: Quote: In comment 14168038 anon837 said: Quote: 3/5's of this line needs to be overhauled. And if Solder continues to under perform, then 80% of the line needs to be jettisoned. I'll let Hernandez slide in his rookie year. He has shown some flashes so they can keep him at LG for the foreseeable future. Teddy or Jacoby could work here if this line gets fixed. Unfortunately, lines are not built in a year. It takes some time, which means at least 2 more years to be a competent unit to battle the big uglies. Did you miss teh part IN THE TITLE when I said get TWO OL (in the body I said draft a Tackle and a guard)? And in the body I said to get a FA center too? Waiting 4-5 years for the QB to get up to speed while watching super years of SB and OBJ slip away would be a travesty, wouldn't it? What would have been the point then if it's going to be 4 years of both SB and OBJ? I read your post. Teddy is a nice QB. But you still have to fix this line. They tried it in the offseason through FA and the draft and it failed miserably. It's on par with that dumpster fire last year. There is no quick fix. Sure, pick up 2 OL in the draft. Remember, they don't have a 3rd rounder, so whatever they get with their 1st 2 picks better pop and pay dividends. And hopefully whatever FA C you think is out there also better pay dividends. The front office miscalculated and overvalued their talent. Hopefully they don't double down again on a bad hand and think they can attempt another quick fix. Yes, Barkley and OBJ are in their prime. That should not force their hand in to making bad decisions. The Giants are getting their lunch eaten at the line of scrimmage. Until that is PROPERLY addressed and corrected, this offense will go nowhere.

They seemed to do well in the draft in terms of talent though they did poorly in FA. They probably won't go 3 for 3 but they probably won't go 0 for 3.

With that said - if Teddy was at least decent and the OLine was at least decent, then what do you think the chances are that the GMen's offense would at least be "good?" Now if the GMen hit on 2 of 3 OLinemen that are average to good and the QB is just decent they have a very good offense, don't they?

If the Gmen have a top 6 pick in the draft what are the chances they can't get a good tackle? OFC they messed up with Flowers but right now I'm being conservative with a top 6 pick. They may get a top 4. Flowers was 9 I think.

If they get a FA center that helps Solder and Hernandez to allow the QB to step up int he pocket, how much would that be worth?

Keep in mind the OL doesn't need to be super. They just need to be decent. SO 2-3 pickups next year between the draft and FA would help SB and OBJ a lot.

fandom of various posters.

And they should be allowed to dream of playoff wins in 2019...

Reality will be here soon enough.

Enjoy the daydreams! :)

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fandom of various posters. And they should be allowed to dream of playoff wins in 2019... Reality will be here soon enough. Enjoy the daydreams! :)

Who is saying they will make the playoffs in 2019?