Giants traditionally do not fire Head Coaches or General Managers
But it could be argued that the Giants are WORSE this year than last.
Looking at schedule for rest of year (which is easier than first half)
We have at least 2 winnable games remaining
San Fran and Tampa Bay
We play in one of the weakest divisions in football
I think we should be able to win one division game
( maybe last game Dallas at home if it is meaningless game)
So in my estimate the most realistic scenario Giants end up 4 -12
(If Giants win more than 4 games then Shurmur is definitely coming back)
But it is entirely possible Giants only win one more game (Tampa Bay)
and end up 2- 14
Or maybe the team quits and Giants lose out and we end up 1-15
What record will get Shurmur fired? or is this year a mulligan for the new coach and he is guaranteed back regardless of record?
JPP is lining up on the other side. He'll go against Wheeler.
The last part of your post actually has two meanings and I agree with both.
;>)
And can we please stop with the argument they were in “close 1 score games” ? The only close loss was Carolina. They were destroyed by Philly and Dallas and the NO/ ATL/ Skins games were never in doubt.
Jim in Tampa : 7:52 am : link : reply
In comment 14167664 Doomster said:
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I can't wait to see JPP vs Solder....that alone would make the game worth watching....
JPP is lining up on the other side. He'll go against Wheeler.
They aren't eating his salary this early.
There has to be at least 3 dead hookers in his hotel room in order for him to go.
Not yet a similar situation with PS.
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4-12 or worse will be the end of PS.
I disagree, respectfully of course. I think 1-15 he would keep his job, UNLESS he 100% lost the locker room. Which doesn't look like the case thus far.
The 1st one lasted 15 years from 1965-1980. The 2nd one which didn't last as long and actually had 1 playoff win was from 1991-1999. Lost weekend the 3rd is now 7 years year since the last playoff win anyone see an end in sight?
Besides that scenario, if we lose out, he keeps his job.
Its not even December. If this team lays down rest of season he's gone. And DG will "retire".
Yes, let's fire shurmur at the end of the year and bring in another coach so he can bring in another defensive coordinator and coaching staff, start all over again and we can have this discussion same time next year.
Go read Mara’s preseason quotes and tell me why that warrants another year.
We're halfway through with a draft of high picks and a healthy dose of FA spending, with 1 win to show for it despite being relatively healthy and the division sucking. It's really every bit as shitty as last year's campaign.
Shurmur and his guys should be taken to the woodshed...
That is a remarkable. Two of the best players in the league at their positions - positions that produce points - and we're currently at the top of the 2019 draft board.
Shurmur has been a monumental disappointment thus far a s strategist and developer. And his hiring of Hal Hunter looks to be an epic miss...
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can add Barkley and get OBJ back and we can only win 1 game thus far. No better than last year.
Shurmur and his guys should be taken to the woodshed...
That is a remarkable. Two of the best players in the league at their positions - positions that produce points - and we're currently at the top of the 2019 draft board.
Shurmur has been a monumental disappointment thus far a s strategist and developer. And his hiring of Hal Hunter looks to be an epic miss...
Not much has changed...
(a book excerpt)
Calling a time out, Coach Rockne brought them to the sidelines and pointed out to the four people whose job it was to carry the ball that they were absolutely useless on a football field unless everyone else was blocking.
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In comment 14167652 Jimmy Googs said:
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can add Barkley and get OBJ back and we can only win 1 game thus far. No better than last year.
Shurmur and his guys should be taken to the woodshed...
That is a remarkable. Two of the best players in the league at their positions - positions that produce points - and we're currently at the top of the 2019 draft board.
Shurmur has been a monumental disappointment thus far a s strategist and developer. And his hiring of Hal Hunter looks to be an epic miss...
Not much has changed...
(a book excerpt)
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They tell a story at Notre Dame University about the so-called “four horsemen.” They began to believe they were the entire football team. Coach Knute Rockne sent the team on the field one day with the instructions that every time the ball was snapped, the offensive line was to lie down and not block the defense. The highly regarded backfield suddenly started getting clobbered. In play after play, the four horsemen were losing ground.
Calling a time out, Coach Rockne brought them to the sidelines and pointed out to the four people whose job it was to carry the ball that they were absolutely useless on a football field unless everyone else was blocking.
So you're saying Shurmur is Rockne reincarnated?
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They tell a story at Notre Dame University about the so-called “four horsemen.” They began to believe they were the entire football team. Coach Knute Rockne sent the team on the field one day with the instructions that every time the ball was snapped, the offensive line was to lie down and not block the defense. The highly regarded backfield suddenly started getting clobbered. In play after play, the four horsemen were losing ground.
Calling a time out, Coach Rockne brought them to the sidelines and pointed out to the four people whose job it was to carry the ball that they were absolutely useless on a football field unless everyone else was blocking.
Can you say with 100% confidence the problem with the oline is talent or coaching?
It's easy to say talent - and that may be true - but with this staff, I don't think you can rule out coaching either...
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They tell a story at Notre Dame University about the so-called “four horsemen.” They began to believe they were the entire football team. Coach Knute Rockne sent the team on the field one day with the instructions that every time the ball was snapped, the offensive line was to lie down and not block the defense. The highly regarded backfield suddenly started getting clobbered. In play after play, the four horsemen were losing ground.
Calling a time out, Coach Rockne brought them to the sidelines and pointed out to the four people whose job it was to carry the ball that they were absolutely useless on a football field unless everyone else was blocking.
Can you say with 100% confidence the problem with the oline is talent or coaching?
It's easy to say talent - and that may be true - but with this staff, I don't think you can rule out coaching either...
Our best player is a guy on the downside of his career who is probably on the border of being a Pats reject. Everyone else, except the rookie, are people who's best days were on a practice squad or who was jettisoned by some other team with no regrets or attempt to even think about keeping. And we were happy to scarf them up and see them as upgrades.
mpinmaine : 3:49 pm : link : reply
and others....team hasn't quit.
maybe not yet....
At the very least, Shurmur won't be fired until he's given the opportunity to work with an offense with either a new QB, a vastly improved Oline, or both.
GM and Shurmur will get 2-3 years to turn it around, as they should. If you took over a job like this you wouldn't want to be judged on the first half of the first season either.
DG will go only after he has rid the team of the top players on its only pro-unit, the defense. Maron and Ticks may get rid of one or both when MetLife no longer evidences any fans wearing blue and when even the most-diehard, masochistic Giants fans have ceased wasting their time watching these pitiful events.
I hope these guys get a chance to prove they are not good coaches. With the shit they were left that means well past this season
I hope these guys get a chance to prove they are not good coaches. With the shit they were left that means well past this season
Gettleman just changed the color of what he was given. We have another 5 years of losing, to mirror the oast (except 2016). Be patient.