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Nationals’ offer to Bryce Harper was roughly $300 million for 10 years — so an AAV of $30 million — according to multiple people familiar with it. No opt outs.
and a good bet that it included some deferred money ala Scherzer. He probably beats it, but understand it may not be quite as good as it sounds at face.
Supposedly that was OFFERED to him but not their current offer.
That number was offered to him during the season to which he declined. I am not 100% sure I am right but I think that is what I heard.
Yup
"CARLSBAD, Calif. -- The Washington Nationals’ contract offer to All-Star outfielder Bryce Harper was for 10-year, $300 million that he rejected five weeks ago, two persons with direct knowledge of the proposed deal told USA TODAY Sports."
The last player this caliber who hit free agency at a similar age was A-Rod (he was 25) and his first big contract (not his second, which was a dud) was one of the best big-money contracts in baseball history. Miguel Cabrera was a comparable age when he signed his first 8-year deal, and that too was a homerun. Signing generational talents to long-term deals in their mid-20's is not invariably a bad decision. Signing them to long-term deals at or after their 30th birthday tends to be.
The last player this caliber who hit free agency at a similar age was A-Rod (he was 25) and his first big contract (not his second, which was a dud) was one of the best big-money contracts in baseball history. Miguel Cabrera was a comparable age when he signed his first 8-year deal, and that too was a homerun. Signing generational talents to long-term deals in their mid-20's is not invariably a bad decision. Signing them to long-term deals at or after their 30th birthday tends to be.
The last player this caliber who hit free agency at a similar age was A-Rod (he was 25) and his first big contract (not his second, which was a dud) was one of the best big-money contracts in baseball history. Miguel Cabrera was a comparable age when he signed his first 8-year deal, and that too was a homerun. Signing generational talents to long-term deals in their mid-20's is not invariably a bad decision. Signing them to long-term deals at or after their 30th birthday tends to be.
Agreed, I would put in an opt out after year 5. That would entice Harper to opt out and get a longer term deal from another team and it would protect his current team from having an albatross contract for those final few seasons.
The way teams shift today really affects his value, IMO Â
Harper will certainly line his share of balls to 2B and short RF, and the allure of the short porch may tempt him to do that more, but he has power to all fields. Contrast that with Teix batting as a LHH, where the vast, vast majority of his HRs went out to right. I'm not sure how aggressively he'll be shifted, and he certainly has the ability to make them pay if they try.
related to his defense. He really seemed to take his offensive struggles into the field with him. Money being equal, I'd take him over Giancarlo (and he's 2+ years younger).
Seems strange they waited until he is ready to become a Free Agent Â
and maybe a bit childish to bring up, Harper has always wanted to be a Yankee. Stanton was OK with being traded to the Bronx, but Harper's lifelong dream was to wear the pinstripes. I think Stanton was a bit overwhelmed by the pressure this year - I don't think that would happen with Harper. I think he'd positively embrace everything that comes with being a Yankee star. What's more, his presence would take the pressure off everyone else.
even if BA was the end-all be-all (and it isn't), he certainly has the ability to be a high average hitter.
I'm a Nats season ticket holder and have enjoyed Harper's style. He a huge reason why fans go to Nats games.
But he's still more hype than production. And there has been a series of injury struggles.
I'd love for the Nats to keep him but there is a really good pipeline of OFs to fill that void. So it could be addition by subtraction, and fee up money to bolster the rotation.
Harper would be a monster @ YS - if all things are equal, I'd take him as well. That said - all things are not equal.
The commit to Harper will be longer, and probably something like 100M more in total than what we still owe Stanton (assuming he doesn't opt out in 2020)
Miami also has to pay us 30M if he doesn't.
We'd also need to deal Stanton if we're going to bring Harper aboard - which could be a bit of a challenge with his current contract.
Harper's '15 was what people thought he'd be if it all clicked... Â
his '17 was in that vicinity too. If you get that fantastic, it more than earns what he's likely to make (somewhere between $30 and $35/yr) and it's a top 2-3 bat in all of baseball, behind Trout and maybe Mookie Betts. But Harper's downside, probably a mid-.800s OPS guy who gets on base at a 37-38% clip, is still a Top 5 bat at the 1B position and a top 10 bat in the OF.
and maybe a bit childish to bring up, Harper has always wanted to be a Yankee. Stanton was OK with being traded to the Bronx, but Harper's lifelong dream was to wear the pinstripes. I think Stanton was a bit overwhelmed by the pressure this year - I don't think that would happen with Harper. I think he'd positively embrace everything that comes with being a Yankee star. What's more, his presence would take the pressure off everyone else.
Ask me how Harper would handle the NY pressure if he were hitting .220 and it's July and making over $30 mill? The fans were booing Stanton in April. I repeat the fans were booing Stanton in April.
I think baseball salaries are ludicrous too, but that's a function of the money people are willing to pay. So long as people are paying it, someone is going to get it, and why shouldn't it be the guys people are paying to watch?
I know that’s not a popular opinion but I really feel like a huge reason the Red Sox just won is because they get on base AND don’t strikeout. Those extra hits there really make a difference. Or they at least feel like they do.
I think baseball salaries are ludicrous too, but that's a function of the money people are willing to pay. So long as people are paying it, someone is going to get it, and why shouldn't it be the guys people are paying to watch?
I’m amazed that the CEO of my multinational comapany Is making what he’s making. Anyone getting 300 million guaranteed is insane. I’m not jealous. And he deserves to get every Penny he can. It’s just insane. He could pay my kids two insanely overpriced tuition with ashtray change.
Good for him
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and we're talking about $300 million to play baseball ...
No shit. After two kids in private college I’m never retiring. And Boras says it’s not enough. JFC.
Yeah he should just take it and send a thank you note while someone else out there is willing to offer as much as 100 million more.
All because a few people from the middle class will say "I'll never see that much money".. how dare he not take your feelings into consideration.
I just said good for him before I read your post. Why can’t someone just be amazed at anyone making 300-400 million.
Did I say he doesn’t deserve it? Sorry that when I peel of 60 k a year for my sons I wish I had the ability to make 300 million. I might event tell them to get a masters. It’s crazy money.
Lastly Maybe he can buy you a dildo so you can go fuck yourself. See that I assume your limited reading comprehension won’t misread.
Heroes of the world don't make much money. are celebrating or known to the public. but are rich on the inside and in the eyes of God, by sacrificing for others. Sometimes I feel guilty being part of the sports/entertainment machine.
That being said GO GIANTS.
But, that isn't an option and as such, I wouldn't bring him in. I also wouldn't sign Machado. Andujar can flat out hit and much cheaper for a number of years. I believe his defense can be improved drastically with coaching, especially with the special instructors the Yankees bring to Spring training.
separate from a discussion of Machado for ss or a Harper for Bird/Voit ( trade Stanton or keep him) lets look at Andujar if we were not the Yankees and could move pieces all over the board.
His rookie year at his age consistently ( no major or prolonged slumps) showed the potential in his prime years to be an elite bat. Guy can hit all pitches and catch a high or low elite fastball. Hits in the clutch and makes hard contact.
If his defense improved 10% a year for three years we would have a great player/good attitude/good teammate (to the extent that 20 year olds done get distracted) that was not overwhelmed by being a rookie, a Yankee or playing well in a playoff race.
To me, trading Andujar who has a 12-14 year career ahead of him at 290-320BA/30-35Hr/360 OBP for anything less than a potential ace with the same kind of career trajectory is malpractice.
Look at it this way. He is very cost controlled. If you don't like his defense at 3b or at another position he can always be traded for a lot.
One possibility is a great defensive SS with range towards 3b and Harper and leave all else alone. Now, I don't know who that SS could be but it could be a minor leaguer
to Andujar at 1B is his height. Yet, Don Mattingly was under 6 ft. Maybe it is a non-issue. He might be fine. His problem is not fielding the ball, so maybe he can learn to pick balls from the dirt.
Agree on both points. Harper at 1st intrigues me. To be convinced I'd need to know if he is a "clutch hitter"??? RISP
To me Harper makes sense if he helps get us deep into playoffs
I don't know about Harper's clutch hitting, but I never heard that he wasn't good with RISP. Some stat geek will look it up now that you brought it up.
My main objection to Harper was that the Yanks do not need another corner OF. But if he can play first...I know he has a small history with injuries, maybe 1B cuts those out.
From all reports Andujar is a hard worker. But the Yankees have been working with him since before A ball and it hasn't help much yet. They benched him in the playoffs even with his bat. I guess we'll know what the plan is for 2019 in a few months but I don't hold out much hope that he's going to get better at 3B.
Very disappointing comments from Cashman yesterday on Harper Â
compared Harper to Beltran and Delgado. Said both wanted to be Yankees once too but they were blocked by Bernie & Giambi. I guess unless they think Harper can and will play 1B it's a no go.
Andujar doesn't have quick reactions/instincts either Â
He's not a poor athlete, he just seems to be a half-step slow. This would never happen, but I wonder if he might actually be better at second base because you generally have more time to make plays at second. Third is so much about reaction time and reflexes and Andujar doesn't seem to have those.
The best place for him might be the outfield, but there's no room there on the Yankees.
RE: Very disappointing comments from Cashman yesterday on Harper Â
compared Harper to Beltran and Delgado. Said both wanted to be Yankees once too but they were blocked by Bernie & Giambi. I guess unless they think Harper can and will play 1B it's a no go.
I'd take that with a grain of salt. Cash always tries to throw people off.
That said, I'd still say Machado is more likely than Harper.
RE: RE: Very disappointing comments from Cashman yesterday on Harper Â
...any news that could possibly keep this guy out of a Yankees uniform is very good news!
Sigh. And I guess it's not even enough.
Hard to turn down that contract, should be interesting.
He had a .393 OBP this year. Enough said.
No, that's only "enough said" if you're still a few decades behind the rest of us.
That number was offered to him during the season to which he declined. I am not 100% sure I am right but I think that is what I heard.
That number was offered to him during the season to which he declined. I am not 100% sure I am right but I think that is what I heard.
Yup
"CARLSBAD, Calif. -- The Washington Nationals’ contract offer to All-Star outfielder Bryce Harper was for 10-year, $300 million that he rejected five weeks ago, two persons with direct knowledge of the proposed deal told USA TODAY Sports."
Something like 4 to 5 year contracts with big numbers should be the norm. That way you can get rid of players when they start to suck.
Why do fans get so hung up on the contracts? I get it with the NFL/ NBA with the salary cap, but its only the owners money in baseball.
Bingo
Agreed, I would put in an opt out after year 5. That would entice Harper to opt out and get a longer term deal from another team and it would protect his current team from having an albatross contract for those final few seasons.
Harper will certainly line his share of balls to 2B and short RF, and the allure of the short porch may tempt him to do that more, but he has power to all fields. Contrast that with Teix batting as a LHH, where the vast, vast majority of his HRs went out to right. I'm not sure how aggressively he'll be shifted, and he certainly has the ability to make them pay if they try.
Giancarlo
2017: 7.3 fWAR, 159 wRC+
2018: 4.2 fWAR, 127 wRC+
Bryce
2017: 4.8 fWAR, 155 wRC+
2018: 3.5 fWAR, 135 wRC+
I dont think anybody would argue thar.
Giancarlo
2017: 7.3 fWAR, 159 wRC+
2018: 4.2 fWAR, 127 wRC+
Bryce
2017: 4.8 fWAR, 155 wRC+
2018: 3.5 fWAR, 135 wRC+
I'm a Nats season ticket holder and have enjoyed Harper's style. He a huge reason why fans go to Nats games.
But he's still more hype than production. And there has been a series of injury struggles.
I'd love for the Nats to keep him but there is a really good pipeline of OFs to fill that void. So it could be addition by subtraction, and fee up money to bolster the rotation.
The commit to Harper will be longer, and probably something like 100M more in total than what we still owe Stanton (assuming he doesn't opt out in 2020)
Miami also has to pay us 30M if he doesn't.
We'd also need to deal Stanton if we're going to bring Harper aboard - which could be a bit of a challenge with his current contract.
Ask me how Harper would handle the NY pressure if he were hitting .220 and it's July and making over $30 mill? The fans were booing Stanton in April. I repeat the fans were booing Stanton in April.
No shit. After two kids in private college I’m never retiring. And Boras says it’s not enough. JFC.
I think baseball salaries are ludicrous too, but that's a function of the money people are willing to pay. So long as people are paying it, someone is going to get it, and why shouldn't it be the guys people are paying to watch?
He generates that much more revenue than you.
I get tired of hearing this nonsense, it's called business.
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and we're talking about $300 million to play baseball ...
No shit. After two kids in private college I’m never retiring. And Boras says it’s not enough. JFC.
Yeah he should just take it and send a thank you note while someone else out there is willing to offer as much as 100 million more.
All because a few people from the middle class will say "I'll never see that much money".. how dare he not take your feelings into consideration.
I think baseball salaries are ludicrous too, but that's a function of the money people are willing to pay. So long as people are paying it, someone is going to get it, and why shouldn't it be the guys people are paying to watch?
I’m amazed that the CEO of my multinational comapany Is making what he’s making. Anyone getting 300 million guaranteed is insane. I’m not jealous. And he deserves to get every Penny he can. It’s just insane. He could pay my kids two insanely overpriced tuition with ashtray change.
Good for him
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and we're talking about $300 million to play baseball ...
No shit. After two kids in private college I’m never retiring. And Boras says it’s not enough. JFC.
Yeah he should just take it and send a thank you note while someone else out there is willing to offer as much as 100 million more.
All because a few people from the middle class will say "I'll never see that much money".. how dare he not take your feelings into consideration.
I just said good for him before I read your post. Why can’t someone just be amazed at anyone making 300-400 million.
Did I say he doesn’t deserve it? Sorry that when I peel of 60 k a year for my sons I wish I had the ability to make 300 million. I might event tell them to get a masters. It’s crazy money.
Lastly Maybe he can buy you a dildo so you can go fuck yourself. See that I assume your limited reading comprehension won’t misread.
That being said GO GIANTS.
His rookie year at his age consistently ( no major or prolonged slumps) showed the potential in his prime years to be an elite bat. Guy can hit all pitches and catch a high or low elite fastball. Hits in the clutch and makes hard contact.
If his defense improved 10% a year for three years we would have a great player/good attitude/good teammate (to the extent that 20 year olds done get distracted) that was not overwhelmed by being a rookie, a Yankee or playing well in a playoff race.
To me, trading Andujar who has a 12-14 year career ahead of him at 290-320BA/30-35Hr/360 OBP for anything less than a potential ace with the same kind of career trajectory is malpractice.
Look at it this way. He is very cost controlled. If you don't like his defense at 3b or at another position he can always be traded for a lot.
One possibility is a great defensive SS with range towards 3b and Harper and leave all else alone. Now, I don't know who that SS could be but it could be a minor leaguer
Bring Florial up to play left and back up center at top of the order when Gardner is done in 2019
All kinds of options and possibilities say holding on to Andujar makes sense unless there is a lot coming back to us
Harper at first is starting to intrigue me.
To me Harper makes sense if he helps get us deep into playoffs
To me Harper makes sense if he helps get us deep into playoffs
I don't know about Harper's clutch hitting, but I never heard that he wasn't good with RISP. Some stat geek will look it up now that you brought it up.
My main objection to Harper was that the Yanks do not need another corner OF. But if he can play first...I know he has a small history with injuries, maybe 1B cuts those out.
To me Harper makes sense if he helps get us deep into playoffs
Clutch is tough to measure, but Harper has been very good with RISP in his career.
.276/.427/.472/.899
Some other situational stuff...
Runner on 3rd, less than 2 out: 1.036 OPS
Runner on 1st, less than 2 out: .992 OPS
Runner on 3rd, 2 out: .853 OPS
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Agree on both points. Harper at 1st intrigues me. To be convinced I'd need to know if he is a "clutch hitter"??? RISP
To me Harper makes sense if he helps get us deep into playoffs
Clutch is tough to measure, but Harper has been very good with RISP in his career.
.276/.427/.472/.899
Some other situational stuff...
Runner on 3rd, less than 2 out: 1.036 OPS
Runner on 1st, less than 2 out: .992 OPS
Runner on 3rd, 2 out: .853 OPS
Very good numbers.
The best place for him might be the outfield, but there's no room there on the Yankees.
I'd take that with a grain of salt. Cash always tries to throw people off.
That said, I'd still say Machado is more likely than Harper.
"We're very comfortable with Bubba Crosby starting in CF"
immediately signs Johnny Damon
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Cash always tries to throw people off.
"We're very comfortable with Bubba Crosby starting in CF"
immediately signs Johnny Damon
Exactly...