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CMicks3110 : 11/7/2018 10:10 am
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Nationals’ offer to Bryce Harper was roughly $300 million for 10 years — so an AAV of $30 million — according to multiple people familiar with it. No opt outs.
well, no real surprise there  
Greg from LI : 11/7/2018 10:11 am : link
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Much different than the reported offer  
UConn4523 : 11/7/2018 10:12 am : link
of just under $400 million that I heard earlier this morning. Never thought I’d see him back in DC but who’s actually going to top that?
...and he declined it right?  
Keith : 11/7/2018 10:13 am : link
Man, I want no part of Harper at that amount. Hoping the Yankees are a little smarter these days.
I'm probably looking at working to 70  
JonC : 11/7/2018 10:15 am : link
and we're talking about $300 million to play baseball ...
Phillies will offer 350 or even 375  
dep026 : 11/7/2018 10:15 am : link
to both Harper and Machado.
He said no  
bradshaw44 : 11/7/2018 10:15 am : link
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Perfect...  
M.S. : 11/7/2018 10:16 am : link

...any news that could possibly keep this guy out of a Yankees uniform is very good news!
RE: I'm probably looking at working to 70  
Harvest Blend : 11/7/2018 10:17 am : link
In comment 14167852 JonC said:
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and we're talking about $300 million to play baseball ...


Sigh. And I guess it's not even enough.
he hit .249 this year.  
Andy in Boston : 11/7/2018 10:18 am : link
enough said.
Apparently no opt-outs...  
Dunedin81 : 11/7/2018 10:18 am : link
and a good bet that it included some deferred money ala Scherzer. He probably beats it, but understand it may not be quite as good as it sounds at face.
No Opt Out will be key clause  
NYG27 : 11/7/2018 10:21 am : link
Not sure Bryce wants to commit to the Nationals for the next 10 years without an opt out if he ever wants to leave.

Hard to turn down that contract, should be interesting.
RE: he hit .249 this year.  
Greg from LI : 11/7/2018 10:24 am : link
In comment 14167858 Andy in Boston said:
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enough said.


He had a .393 OBP this year. Enough said.
And hit .300 in the second half...  
Dunedin81 : 11/7/2018 10:24 am : link
even if BA was the end-all be-all (and it isn't), he certainly has the ability to be a high average hitter.
RE: he hit .249 this year.  
arcarsenal : 11/7/2018 10:29 am : link
In comment 14167858 Andy in Boston said:
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enough said.


No, that's only "enough said" if you're still a few decades behind the rest of us.
Let the JD Martinez contract be the road map  
xman : 11/7/2018 10:38 am : link
for the owners . At least I'd start from there
I think there is an issue with that tweet.  
robbieballs2003 : 11/7/2018 11:43 am : link
Supposedly that was OFFERED to him but not their current offer.

That number was offered to him during the season to which he declined. I am not 100% sure I am right but I think that is what I heard.
RE: I think there is an issue with that tweet.  
kelsto811 : 11/7/2018 11:55 am : link
In comment 14167964 robbieballs2003 said:
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Supposedly that was OFFERED to him but not their current offer.

That number was offered to him during the season to which he declined. I am not 100% sure I am right but I think that is what I heard.


Yup

"CARLSBAD, Calif. -- The Washington Nationals’ contract offer to All-Star outfielder Bryce Harper was for 10-year, $300 million that he rejected five weeks ago, two persons with direct knowledge of the proposed deal told USA TODAY Sports."
More strike outs than hits  
weeg in the bronx : 11/7/2018 12:32 pm : link
thats a lot of money
When will MLB teams learn  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 11/7/2018 12:34 pm : link
the long-term huge contracts don't work and hurt teams.

Something like 4 to 5 year contracts with big numbers should be the norm. That way you can get rid of players when they start to suck.
He and Manny are 26 years old  
Dunedin81 : 11/7/2018 12:41 pm : link
The last player this caliber who hit free agency at a similar age was A-Rod (he was 25) and his first big contract (not his second, which was a dud) was one of the best big-money contracts in baseball history. Miguel Cabrera was a comparable age when he signed his first 8-year deal, and that too was a homerun. Signing generational talents to long-term deals in their mid-20's is not invariably a bad decision. Signing them to long-term deals at or after their 30th birthday tends to be.
Mets  
TyreeHelmet : 11/7/2018 12:47 pm : link
And the mets offered Jose Reyes the vet minimum....

Why do fans get so hung up on the contracts? I get it with the NFL/ NBA with the salary cap, but its only the owners money in baseball.

RE: He and Manny are 26 years old  
dune69 : 11/7/2018 12:52 pm : link
In comment 14168020 Dunedin81 said:
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The last player this caliber who hit free agency at a similar age was A-Rod (he was 25) and his first big contract (not his second, which was a dud) was one of the best big-money contracts in baseball history. Miguel Cabrera was a comparable age when he signed his first 8-year deal, and that too was a homerun. Signing generational talents to long-term deals in their mid-20's is not invariably a bad decision. Signing them to long-term deals at or after their 30th birthday tends to be.



Bingo
RE: He and Manny are 26 years old  
Jay on the Island : 11/7/2018 1:18 pm : link
In comment 14168020 Dunedin81 said:
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The last player this caliber who hit free agency at a similar age was A-Rod (he was 25) and his first big contract (not his second, which was a dud) was one of the best big-money contracts in baseball history. Miguel Cabrera was a comparable age when he signed his first 8-year deal, and that too was a homerun. Signing generational talents to long-term deals in their mid-20's is not invariably a bad decision. Signing them to long-term deals at or after their 30th birthday tends to be.

Agreed, I would put in an opt out after year 5. That would entice Harper to opt out and get a longer term deal from another team and it would protect his current team from having an albatross contract for those final few seasons.
The way teams shift today really affects his value, IMO  
Heisenberg : 11/7/2018 1:26 pm : link
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RE: The way teams shift today really affects his value, IMO  
Dunedin81 : 11/7/2018 1:31 pm : link
In comment 14168055 Heisenberg said:
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Harper will certainly line his share of balls to 2B and short RF, and the allure of the short porch may tempt him to do that more, but he has power to all fields. Contrast that with Teix batting as a LHH, where the vast, vast majority of his HRs went out to right. I'm not sure how aggressively he'll be shifted, and he certainly has the ability to make them pay if they try.
as a Yankees fan  
JonC : 11/7/2018 2:18 pm : link
I'd rather have Harper over Stanton.
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arcarsenal : 11/7/2018 2:25 pm : link
They're pretty close these last two years.

Giancarlo

2017: 7.3 fWAR, 159 wRC+
2018: 4.2 fWAR, 127 wRC+

Bryce

2017: 4.8 fWAR, 155 wRC+
2018: 3.5 fWAR, 135 wRC+
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arcarsenal : 11/7/2018 2:26 pm : link
Obviously Harper missed about 50 games in 2017 which is the discrepancy in fWAR - but he was phenomenal otherwise.
A lot of the value dings this past year for Harper...  
Dunedin81 : 11/7/2018 2:29 pm : link
related to his defense. He really seemed to take his offensive struggles into the field with him. Money being equal, I'd take him over Giancarlo (and he's 2+ years younger).
Seems strange they waited until he is ready to become a Free Agent  
Beer Man : 11/7/2018 2:30 pm : link
They could have tried to extend him long ago
I would absolutely rather have Harper.  
chopperhatch : 11/7/2018 2:30 pm : link
Even with numbers aside he can also field his position fairly well, is younger and is simply a left handed bat.

I dont think anybody would argue thar.
RE: .  
Beer Man : 11/7/2018 2:32 pm : link
In comment 14168125 arcarsenal said:
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They're pretty close these last two years.

Giancarlo

2017: 7.3 fWAR, 159 wRC+
2018: 4.2 fWAR, 127 wRC+

Bryce

2017: 4.8 fWAR, 155 wRC+
2018: 3.5 fWAR, 135 wRC+
But Bryce is younger and hits left handed. Right now the Yanks are top heavy on the right side of the plate.
And while it's almost certainly overstated  
Greg from LI : 11/7/2018 2:33 pm : link
and maybe a bit childish to bring up, Harper has always wanted to be a Yankee. Stanton was OK with being traded to the Bronx, but Harper's lifelong dream was to wear the pinstripes. I think Stanton was a bit overwhelmed by the pressure this year - I don't think that would happen with Harper. I think he'd positively embrace everything that comes with being a Yankee star. What's more, his presence would take the pressure off everyone else.
RE: And hit .300 in the second half...  
bw in dc : 11/7/2018 2:34 pm : link
In comment 14167866 Dunedin81 said:
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even if BA was the end-all be-all (and it isn't), he certainly has the ability to be a high average hitter.


I'm a Nats season ticket holder and have enjoyed Harper's style. He a huge reason why fans go to Nats games.

But he's still more hype than production. And there has been a series of injury struggles.

I'd love for the Nats to keep him but there is a really good pipeline of OFs to fill that void. So it could be addition by subtraction, and fee up money to bolster the rotation.

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arcarsenal : 11/7/2018 2:35 pm : link
Harper would be a monster @ YS - if all things are equal, I'd take him as well. That said - all things are not equal.

The commit to Harper will be longer, and probably something like 100M more in total than what we still owe Stanton (assuming he doesn't opt out in 2020)

Miami also has to pay us 30M if he doesn't.

We'd also need to deal Stanton if we're going to bring Harper aboard - which could be a bit of a challenge with his current contract.
Harper's '15 was what people thought he'd be if it all clicked...  
Dunedin81 : 11/7/2018 2:41 pm : link
his '17 was in that vicinity too. If you get that fantastic, it more than earns what he's likely to make (somewhere between $30 and $35/yr) and it's a top 2-3 bat in all of baseball, behind Trout and maybe Mookie Betts. But Harper's downside, probably a mid-.800s OPS guy who gets on base at a 37-38% clip, is still a Top 5 bat at the 1B position and a top 10 bat in the OF.
RE: And while it's almost certainly overstated  
Deejboy : 11/7/2018 3:37 pm : link
In comment 14168136 Greg from LI said:
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and maybe a bit childish to bring up, Harper has always wanted to be a Yankee. Stanton was OK with being traded to the Bronx, but Harper's lifelong dream was to wear the pinstripes. I think Stanton was a bit overwhelmed by the pressure this year - I don't think that would happen with Harper. I think he'd positively embrace everything that comes with being a Yankee star. What's more, his presence would take the pressure off everyone else.

Ask me how Harper would handle the NY pressure if he were hitting .220 and it's July and making over $30 mill? The fans were booing Stanton in April. I repeat the fans were booing Stanton in April.
RE: I'm probably looking at working to 70  
LauderdaleMatty : 11/7/2018 6:56 pm : link
In comment 14167852 JonC said:
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and we're talking about $300 million to play baseball ...


No shit. After two kids in private college I’m never retiring. And Boras says it’s not enough. JFC.
But who should get the money?  
Greg from LI : 11/7/2018 8:27 pm : link
The owners???

I think baseball salaries are ludicrous too, but that's a function of the money people are willing to pay. So long as people are paying it, someone is going to get it, and why shouldn't it be the guys people are paying to watch?
Don’t love the strikeouts vs hits  
mattnyg05 : 11/7/2018 8:46 pm : link
I know that’s not a popular opinion but I really feel like a huge reason the Red Sox just won is because they get on base AND don’t strikeout. Those extra hits there really make a difference. Or they at least feel like they do.
RE: I'm probably looking at working to 70  
longlive#10 : 11/7/2018 9:57 pm : link
In comment 14167852 JonC said:
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and we're talking about $300 million to play baseball ...


He generates that much more revenue than you.

I get tired of hearing this nonsense, it's called business.
RE: RE: I'm probably looking at working to 70  
longlive#10 : 11/7/2018 9:59 pm : link
In comment 14168328 LauderdaleMatty said:
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and we're talking about $300 million to play baseball ...



No shit. After two kids in private college I’m never retiring. And Boras says it’s not enough. JFC.


Yeah he should just take it and send a thank you note while someone else out there is willing to offer as much as 100 million more.

All because a few people from the middle class will say "I'll never see that much money".. how dare he not take your feelings into consideration.
RE: But who should get the money?  
LauderdaleMatty : 11/7/2018 10:02 pm : link
In comment 14168399 Greg from LI said:
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The owners???

I think baseball salaries are ludicrous too, but that's a function of the money people are willing to pay. So long as people are paying it, someone is going to get it, and why shouldn't it be the guys people are paying to watch?


I’m amazed that the CEO of my multinational comapany Is making what he’s making. Anyone getting 300 million guaranteed is insane. I’m not jealous. And he deserves to get every Penny he can. It’s just insane. He could pay my kids two insanely overpriced tuition with ashtray change.

Good for him
RE: RE: RE: I'm probably looking at working to 70  
LauderdaleMatty : 11/7/2018 10:08 pm : link
In comment 14168486 longlive#10 said:
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In comment 14168328 LauderdaleMatty said:


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In comment 14167852 JonC said:


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and we're talking about $300 million to play baseball ...



No shit. After two kids in private college I’m never retiring. And Boras says it’s not enough. JFC.



Yeah he should just take it and send a thank you note while someone else out there is willing to offer as much as 100 million more.

All because a few people from the middle class will say "I'll never see that much money".. how dare he not take your feelings into consideration.


I just said good for him before I read your post. Why can’t someone just be amazed at anyone making 300-400 million.

Did I say he doesn’t deserve it? Sorry that when I peel of 60 k a year for my sons I wish I had the ability to make 300 million. I might event tell them to get a masters. It’s crazy money.


Lastly Maybe he can buy you a dildo so you can go fuck yourself. See that I assume your limited reading comprehension won’t misread.
Most of the true  
Rolyrock : 11/8/2018 2:05 am : link
Heroes of the world don't make much money. are celebrating or known to the public. but are rich on the inside and in the eyes of God, by sacrificing for others. Sometimes I feel guilty being part of the sports/entertainment machine.
That being said GO GIANTS.
I'd rather have Harper also over Stanton  
Matt M. : 11/8/2018 6:02 am : link
But, that isn't an option and as such, I wouldn't bring him in. I also wouldn't sign Machado. Andujar can flat out hit and much cheaper for a number of years. I believe his defense can be improved drastically with coaching, especially with the special instructors the Yankees bring to Spring training.
I agree about Andujar  
Bill2 : 11/8/2018 8:26 am : link
separate from a discussion of Machado for ss or a Harper for Bird/Voit ( trade Stanton or keep him) lets look at Andujar if we were not the Yankees and could move pieces all over the board.

His rookie year at his age consistently ( no major or prolonged slumps) showed the potential in his prime years to be an elite bat. Guy can hit all pitches and catch a high or low elite fastball. Hits in the clutch and makes hard contact.

If his defense improved 10% a year for three years we would have a great player/good attitude/good teammate (to the extent that 20 year olds done get distracted) that was not overwhelmed by being a rookie, a Yankee or playing well in a playoff race.

To me, trading Andujar who has a 12-14 year career ahead of him at 290-320BA/30-35Hr/360 OBP for anything less than a potential ace with the same kind of career trajectory is malpractice.

Look at it this way. He is very cost controlled. If you don't like his defense at 3b or at another position he can always be traded for a lot.

One possibility is a great defensive SS with range towards 3b and Harper and leave all else alone. Now, I don't know who that SS could be but it could be a minor leaguer
or  
Bill2 : 11/8/2018 8:32 am : link
move Andujar to 1B (its his footwork on throwing that's a problem) and get an elite defensive left side together with SP.

Bring Florial up to play left and back up center at top of the order when Gardner is done in 2019

All kinds of options and possibilities say holding on to Andujar makes sense unless there is a lot coming back to us
bill my only objection  
section125 : 11/8/2018 8:42 am : link
to Andujar at 1B is his height. Yet, Don Mattingly was under 6 ft. Maybe it is a non-issue. He might be fine. His problem is not fielding the ball, so maybe he can learn to pick balls from the dirt.

Harper at first is starting to intrigue me.
Section  
Bill2 : 11/8/2018 9:16 am : link
Agree on both points. Harper at 1st intrigues me. To be convinced I'd need to know if he is a "clutch hitter"??? RISP

To me Harper makes sense if he helps get us deep into playoffs
RE: Section  
section125 : 11/8/2018 9:23 am : link
In comment 14168683 Bill2 said:
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Agree on both points. Harper at 1st intrigues me. To be convinced I'd need to know if he is a "clutch hitter"??? RISP

To me Harper makes sense if he helps get us deep into playoffs


I don't know about Harper's clutch hitting, but I never heard that he wasn't good with RISP. Some stat geek will look it up now that you brought it up.
My main objection to Harper was that the Yanks do not need another corner OF. But if he can play first...I know he has a small history with injuries, maybe 1B cuts those out.
RE: Section  
arcarsenal : 11/8/2018 9:31 am : link
In comment 14168683 Bill2 said:
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Agree on both points. Harper at 1st intrigues me. To be convinced I'd need to know if he is a "clutch hitter"??? RISP

To me Harper makes sense if he helps get us deep into playoffs


Clutch is tough to measure, but Harper has been very good with RISP in his career.

.276/.427/.472/.899

Some other situational stuff...

Runner on 3rd, less than 2 out: 1.036 OPS
Runner on 1st, less than 2 out: .992 OPS
Runner on 3rd, 2 out: .853 OPS
RE: RE: Section  
section125 : 11/8/2018 9:33 am : link
In comment 14168706 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 14168683 Bill2 said:


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Agree on both points. Harper at 1st intrigues me. To be convinced I'd need to know if he is a "clutch hitter"??? RISP

To me Harper makes sense if he helps get us deep into playoffs



Clutch is tough to measure, but Harper has been very good with RISP in his career.

.276/.427/.472/.899

Some other situational stuff...

Runner on 3rd, less than 2 out: 1.036 OPS
Runner on 1st, less than 2 out: .992 OPS
Runner on 3rd, 2 out: .853 OPS


Very good numbers.
Matt M  
arniefez : 11/8/2018 9:40 am : link
From all reports Andujar is a hard worker. But the Yankees have been working with him since before A ball and it hasn't help much yet. They benched him in the playoffs even with his bat. I guess we'll know what the plan is for 2019 in a few months but I don't hold out much hope that he's going to get better at 3B.
Very disappointing comments from Cashman yesterday on Harper  
arniefez : 11/8/2018 9:42 am : link
compared Harper to Beltran and Delgado. Said both wanted to be Yankees once too but they were blocked by Bernie & Giambi. I guess unless they think Harper can and will play 1B it's a no go.
Andujar doesn't have quick reactions/instincts either  
Greg from LI : 11/8/2018 9:46 am : link
He's not a poor athlete, he just seems to be a half-step slow. This would never happen, but I wonder if he might actually be better at second base because you generally have more time to make plays at second. Third is so much about reaction time and reflexes and Andujar doesn't seem to have those.

The best place for him might be the outfield, but there's no room there on the Yankees.
RE: Very disappointing comments from Cashman yesterday on Harper  
section125 : 11/8/2018 1:58 pm : link
In comment 14168722 arniefez said:
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compared Harper to Beltran and Delgado. Said both wanted to be Yankees once too but they were blocked by Bernie & Giambi. I guess unless they think Harper can and will play 1B it's a no go.


I'd take that with a grain of salt. Cash always tries to throw people off.
That said, I'd still say Machado is more likely than Harper.
RE: RE: Very disappointing comments from Cashman yesterday on Harper  
Greg from LI : 11/8/2018 2:10 pm : link
In comment 14169138 section125 said:
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Cash always tries to throw people off.


"We're very comfortable with Bubba Crosby starting in CF"

immediately signs Johnny Damon
RE: RE: RE: Very disappointing comments from Cashman yesterday on Harper  
section125 : 11/8/2018 2:11 pm : link
In comment 14169168 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14169138 section125 said:


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Cash always tries to throw people off.



"We're very comfortable with Bubba Crosby starting in CF"

immediately signs Johnny Damon


Exactly...
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