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NFT: Craig Carton Found Guilty On All Counts

Danny Kanell : 11/7/2018 3:03 pm
Just coming across the wire now, no link.

Craigy is going away for a very long time.
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RE: He deserves punishment  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/7/2018 4:57 pm : link
In comment 14168265 joeinpa said:
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For what he did. But we re talking about Man s life here.

I hope 3 to 4 years and he finds a way to pick up the pieces


And he ruined many people's lives by stealing their money.

People are legitimately nuts.
RE: He deserves punishment  
UConn4523 : 11/7/2018 4:58 pm : link
In comment 14168265 joeinpa said:
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For what he did. But we re talking about Man s life here.

I hope 3 to 4 years and he finds a way to pick up the pieces


And what message does that send to everyone else? Seems to me that if the precedent is 3 years its a risk that I should look into...
Federal inmates  
ciggy : 11/7/2018 5:02 pm : link
Will serve roughly 85% of any sentence imposed by the judge.

The 45 year number is not real, that is the max allowed by statutes. Zero chance of that.

The actual sentence will be determined by federal sentencing guidelines. Too complicated to compute here. Educated guess would be 3-5 years depending upon certain factors.

But proof of a serious gambling condition can be used in the discretion of the court to reduce any sentence. Depends on the proofs and that particular judge.
RE: I really dont want my tax dollars paying to  
B in ALB : 11/7/2018 5:09 pm : link
In comment 14168214 EricJ said:
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incarcerate this guy for decades because he was a horrible sports better and forged his name on a check.


Exactly how much of YOUR tax dollars are going to be allocated for Cartons prison stay? A penny? Less?
RE: He deserves punishment  
B in ALB : 11/7/2018 5:11 pm : link
In comment 14168265 joeinpa said:
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For what he did. But we re talking about Man s life here.

I hope 3 to 4 years and he finds a way to pick up the pieces


How about the people who he robbed? What do they get? Nothing.

Some of you guys are wacky.
RE: 10 - 12 year sentence; serving 3 - 5 years with a lengthy probation  
sb from NYT Forum : 11/7/2018 5:30 pm : link
In comment 14168232 NBGblue said:
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sounds about right.


Thereís no parole in federal prison. If he gets 10-12 years heís looking at 8-10 years best case scenario.

I wouldnít be so quick to assume the judge gives a light sentence. Heís shown no remorse and he caused a significant amount of loss to victims. Also, practically every white collar defendant claims heís an addict of some sort if only to get in less shitty prison.
Unless he was convicted of far lesser crimes than what Meli  
PaulBlakeTSU : 11/7/2018 6:08 pm : link
was charged with, I can't imagine he is going to get less than the cooperating co-conspirator (6.5 years, I believe).
Early termination of his sentence  
WideRight : 11/7/2018 6:11 pm : link
Also depends on whether the criminal is considered "rehabilitated".

With this jerk, that is a total wild card. Pre-prison, he would never consider himself culpable for anything. It would be great if prison changes him, he loses his dickhead personality and gets out of prison early.....
RE: if you believe you are innocent  
PaulBlakeTSU : 11/7/2018 6:37 pm : link
In comment 14168171 jestersdead said:
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wouldn't you take the stand and defend yourself? A guy who talks for a living couldn't go on the stand and defend/lie about his actions


Keep in mind that this isn't the court of public opinion. It is often a better strategy to not have the accused take the stand to defend himself.

When a defendant testifies, it can have a pronounced effect upon the jury where they are expecting the defendant to prove his innocence, which is unfair to the accused. A defendant doesn't have to prove his innocence. Rather, the burden is always on the state to prove that the defendant is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

Also, by testifying, a defendant opens himself up to cross-examination which is unpredictable and can give the state a chance to score a few points and add to its case.
You know B  
joeinpa : 11/7/2018 6:46 pm : link
You and I have different philosophies about things. Me I m open to hearing other points of view. I get what you say about the people he robbed. I also think 3 or 4 years out of a life, in prison is pretty significant.

I would like to see him rehabilitate and maybe as a well known ex-con make a difference and help others.

I understand the pain he has caused, my oldest son lost $500,000, to a scam artist. I hate that guy, but I don't want him to spend the rest of his life in prison. That s me.

You, seems to me, at least here on this board, your go to move on dissenting opinion, is to name call and degrade.

To be honest not really interested in what you believe about me or my opinions.

While I actually learn things about football from some of your posts. I find your name calling extremely boorish and childish.
RE: He should have taken the plea deal  
Matt M. : 11/7/2018 8:09 pm : link
In comment 14168157 bigbb said:
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You aren't beating the government
Generally speaking, the federal prosecutors don't bring cases like this to trial unless they are fairly certain they will win. They have something like an 80%+ conviction rate.
I'm somehwat torn on the comments of feeling for his wife and kids  
Matt M. : 11/7/2018 8:16 pm : link
She may or may not have known about this. But, she had to know about at least some of his issues and she had to know what a douche he is. Plus, she and her kids benefitted from all his illegal and illicit activities.
RE: You know B  
B in ALB : 11/7/2018 8:24 pm : link
In comment 14168322 joeinpa said:
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You and I have different philosophies about things. Me I m open to hearing other points of view. I get what you say about the people he robbed. I also think 3 or 4 years out of a life, in prison is pretty significant.

I would like to see him rehabilitate and maybe as a well known ex-con make a difference and help others.

I understand the pain he has caused, my oldest son lost $500,000, to a scam artist. I hate that guy, but I don't want him to spend the rest of his life in prison. That s me.

You, seems to me, at least here on this board, your go to move on dissenting opinion, is to name call and degrade.

To be honest not really interested in what you believe about me or my opinions.

While I actually learn things about football from some of your posts. I find your name calling extremely boorish and childish.


Oh don't be so sensitive. We all rib each other here on BBI and if you take any of it seriously, it's time re-evaluate things. Those that deserve ire on this board get it and deserve it.

As for Carton - he deserves time away for what he did to numerous people who were simply trying to spend their hard-earned money the way they saw fit. He and his cohorts took full advantage of them.

Do I expect Carton to have some sort of revelation after this? He's all of a sudden a completely changed man? Or will he use this experience to somehow profit from his time away, while never really offering any kind of restitution to his victims? Time will tell.

You find me boorish? I find you boring.

As for being childish. I call things like I see them and very rarely pull any punches. And that includes topics like child molestation, stealing from innocent citizens and wacky comments on a message board.
If a crime like this is 3 years in low security prison  
UConn4523 : 11/7/2018 8:34 pm : link
if caught, than Iím guessing many folks would sign up for taking that risk. My previous post wasnít tongue in cheek, I really think giving minimal jail time would be an awful move.
My thoughts  
Mark from Jersey : 11/7/2018 8:46 pm : link
B  
joeinpa : 11/7/2018 8:56 pm : link
You come across as someone who does not tolerate opposing points of views well.

You call it not pulling any punches.

And please stop with the don't be so sensitive crap. My comments to you were motivated by frustration

I enjoy give and take on issues, but with people who respond with "you re wacky or some other similar comment" no dialogue is possible, and that is irritating.

In your second response to me, you actually explained why you disagreed, should have been your first response.



RE: RE: You know B  
ThatLimerickGuy : 11/7/2018 9:04 pm : link
In comment 14168395 B in ALB said:
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In comment 14168322 joeinpa said:


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You and I have different philosophies about things. Me I m open to hearing other points of view. I get what you say about the people he robbed. I also think 3 or 4 years out of a life, in prison is pretty significant.

I would like to see him rehabilitate and maybe as a well known ex-con make a difference and help others.

I understand the pain he has caused, my oldest son lost $500,000, to a scam artist. I hate that guy, but I don't want him to spend the rest of his life in prison. That s me.

You, seems to me, at least here on this board, your go to move on dissenting opinion, is to name call and degrade.

To be honest not really interested in what you believe about me or my opinions.

While I actually learn things about football from some of your posts. I find your name calling extremely boorish and childish.



Oh don't be so sensitive. We all rib each other here on BBI and if you take any of it seriously, it's time re-evaluate things. Those that deserve ire on this board get it and deserve it.

As for Carton - he deserves time away for what he did to numerous people who were simply trying to spend their hard-earned money the way they saw fit. He and his cohorts took full advantage of them.

Do I expect Carton to have some sort of revelation after this? He's all of a sudden a completely changed man? Or will he use this experience to somehow profit from his time away, while never really offering any kind of restitution to his victims? Time will tell.

You find me boorish? I find you boring.

As for being childish. I call things like I see them and very rarely pull any punches. And that includes topics like child molestation, stealing from innocent citizens and wacky comments on a message board.


Nah...You are just a douche.

Someone with a normal level of introspective ability would be able to say..."Huh...maybe I am acting like an ahole".

You? Nah. It is everyone else who is a problem.
joe  
B in ALB : 11/7/2018 9:05 pm : link
I admit, that I have a special place in my posting vault for anyone who could possibly defend Penn State. And that clouds my judgement. But no more than the cultist nature of a fanbase that seems to forgive and certainly forget the culpability of its iconic hero immortalized by a statue held so dear by it's weird group of WACKOS.

Regardless, I don't appreciate someone who has repeatedly defended an institution that was clearly negligent and criminal in its handling of one of the most despicable events in US athletic history playing the moral compass card. I'm not buying what you're selling, pal.

And if I've confused you with another poster using the "...in pa" handle, my apologies. Kindly point him/her out and I'll smash them to bits instead.
RE: If a crime like this is 3 years in low security prison  
mfsd : 11/7/2018 9:24 pm : link
In comment 14168406 UConn4523 said:
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if caught, than Iím guessing many folks would sign up for taking that risk. My previous post wasnít tongue in cheek, I really think giving minimal jail time would be an awful move.


Thatís how I feel. Sentence should be severe enough that people are discouraged from pulling this shit

10 years, out in 5-6 with good behavior or whatever, fine. 2-3 in a country club minimum security, meh.

Think of everything that you and your family...  
Crispino : 11/7/2018 9:43 pm : link
have experienced in the last year. Birthdays, holidays, first day of school, births and deaths in your family/ community. And just the mundane every day things, both good and bad. And now multiply that times 3-5 years, and envision that span of time taking place in a jail setting.

Iím not in any way defending Carton, because he has always been a douchebag in my estimation, but to say it's a nothing sentence is not appreciating the gravity of what heís looking at. 3-5 years out of your life is a big deal, and anyone who thinks its insignificant isnít really thinking it through.
B  
joeinpa : 11/7/2018 9:48 pm : link
I knew Joe Paterno on a personal basis. I was not a friend or anything close to that. But Jerry Sandusky molested those kids, not Paterno.

Paterno should have done more, he admitted as much.

But For you to take my feelings for Paterno and interpret them to mean I condone want went on there is wrong,

For you to take my fandom of Penn State as support for what happened there is also wrong

Are you suggesting any Giants fan cheering for Barkley is supporting what happened at Penn State.

Lastly you know nothing about me. The professional life I ve had, the respect and esteem of many whom I have come across in my career have for me. I have made a difference and am known as a person of character.

For you to suggest I would put a football program above the safety of children is beyond insulting

My only motivation for ever defending Paterno was because of the relationship I had with him and the side of him I know that you don t.

I shared before It was a mistake to do that here.

And personally I don't care if your not buying what I m selling.

But you couldn't be more wrong in your assessment.

That s the problem with this for of communication. Tone is often lost, and understanding tone is crucial I'm understanding a message

He's guilty so deserves to be punished  
steve in ky : 11/7/2018 9:48 pm : link
but I certainly don't take any pleasure in his misery and actually feel bad for the guy.
joe  
B in ALB : 11/7/2018 10:01 pm : link
I honestly don't care about your relationship with Paterno. He was complicit in allowing a child molester to have his way with children based on his silence and his inaction.

Any reasonable person would go to the police immediately and STOP the abuse from happening. This was going on since the 1970's by all reports! The ONLY thing to do was to report it to the very authorities who could arrest that pederast. But you will all hide behind some sort of twisted chain of command and ignorance of such activities by grown men.

Fine. You are a Penn State fan, supporter and apparent apologist. I can't change or control that.

What I can control is my belief in your view of what's right and wrong. And how you conveniently manipulate that decision in your mind.

And to bring up Barkley? Please. That's weak.

I will never forgive Penn State, the University and the malcontents who supported - and continue to support - Paterno based on what happened to those children.

Paterno got a free pass by dying and I really hate saying that. Honestly, I do. But he deserved to stand trial for his place in this entire tragedy and his absolute complicity for being told decades ago that something was going on with Sandusky and yet, he did nothing about it. You will not agree. And my point is proven.

My apologies if your view of criminal justice doesn't vibe with mine.
RE: Think of everything that you and your family...  
UConn4523 : 11/7/2018 10:15 pm : link
In comment 14168469 Crispino said:
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have experienced in the last year. Birthdays, holidays, first day of school, births and deaths in your family/ community. And just the mundane every day things, both good and bad. And now multiply that times 3-5 years, and envision that span of time taking place in a jail setting.

Iím not in any way defending Carton, because he has always been a douchebag in my estimation, but to say it's a nothing sentence is not appreciating the gravity of what heís looking at. 3-5 years out of your life is a big deal, and anyone who thinks its insignificant isnít really thinking it through.


But he didnít just peddle some weed. The guy ruined peopleís lives, why should I give a shit about how much his life will suck in prison? Isnít that the whole point of prison, to deter the general public from hurting each other?
I am not an apologist B  
joeinpa : 11/7/2018 10:21 pm : link
I understand Paterno s role in what happened. I am not even a defender at this point. So I guess I didn't prove your point

But you proved mine, You can actually express yourself in an intelligent manner. But so often you chose to do otherwise.

Do yourself and the board a favor stop taking the board to a juvenile place.

No offense meant.
Let's feel bad for the guy who stole millions from people.  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/7/2018 10:21 pm : link
Man, people are weird.
Carton  
TyreeHelmet : 11/7/2018 10:25 pm : link
I donít understand the common argument Iím seeing that because he robbed hedge funds that doesnít count as much? So now itís okay to steal form people as long as they are rich? What a joke.

And no way heís doing less time than his co
Conspirator who pleaded to a deal. Wouldnít that set an awful precedent?
RE: I am not an apologist B  
B in ALB : 11/7/2018 10:54 pm : link
In comment 14168508 joeinpa said:
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I understand Paterno s role in what happened. I am not even a defender at this point. So I guess I didn't prove your point

But you proved mine, You can actually express yourself in an intelligent manner. But so often you chose to do otherwise.

Do yourself and the board a favor stop taking the board to a juvenile place.

No offense meant.


Fair enough Joe. Thanks for the dialogue.
RE: He's guilty so deserves to be punished  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/7/2018 10:56 pm : link
In comment 14168473 steve in ky said:
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but I certainly don't take any pleasure in his misery and actually feel bad for the guy.


Not saying you're wrong to feel this way, but I don't understand it. He wasn't a victim of circumstance. He actively committed fraud to steal money to pay off gambling debts. What's to feel bad about?
RE: RE: He's guilty so deserves to be punished  
steve in ky : 11/7/2018 11:08 pm : link
In comment 14168532 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 14168473 steve in ky said:


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but I certainly don't take any pleasure in his misery and actually feel bad for the guy.



Not saying you're wrong to feel this way, but I don't understand it. He wasn't a victim of circumstance. He actively committed fraud to steal money to pay off gambling debts. What's to feel bad about?


I'm not excusing him in the least, nor defending him in any way, but I can feel he deserves to be punished and still have some empathy for him.
Young punk.  
Beezer : 11/7/2018 11:17 pm : link
Mr. "Rock and Roll." Cocky as hell. We liked him immediately
My shocked face  
Knineteen : 11/7/2018 11:25 pm : link
:O
RE: RE: RE: He's guilty so deserves to be punished  
jcn56 : 11/7/2018 11:51 pm : link
In comment 14168536 steve in ky said:
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I'm not excusing him in the least, nor defending him in any way, but I can feel he deserves to be punished and still have some empathy for him.


You're entitled to feel that way toward him, and I'd say it makes you a better person for it.

I think he's a terrible human being who has exactly what he deserves coming to him. Not just for defrauding people who trusted him and stealing their money, but while he was racking up huge gambling losses he was going on air and bragging about his betting prowess, likely convincing some of his listeners to take his advice along the way.

I put him in the same category as Jenny McCarthy and her anti-vaccine medical advisory services.
Apparently two accomplices pled guilty... one accomplice was  
baadbill : 11/8/2018 12:23 am : link
sentenced to 78-months... it's probably a pretty safe bet that Carton can't get less than the 78 months his buddy got when pleading guilty.
RE: Apparently two accomplices pled guilty... one accomplice was  
short lease : 11/8/2018 3:22 am : link
In comment 14168556 baadbill said:
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sentenced to 78-months... it's probably a pretty safe bet that Carton can't get less than the 78 months his buddy got when pleading guilty.


Some guys are so arrogant they can't even admit there mistakes to save their own ass. I don't think he will get 45 years but, he is going to get a lot more than he would have gotten if he made a deal.
I donít feel bad for the guy at all. Heíll get what he deserves.  
Crispino : 11/8/2018 6:34 am : link
My point above was simply that 3-5 years in prison is no joke. Some here are talking about it as if thatís an easy stretch. I was simply taking issue with the idea that itís a slap on the wrist. A judge will decide whatís appropriate.
RE: My lawyer buddy thinks he'll wind up getting sentenced to 10 years  
TheGhostofBlueGuy : 11/8/2018 7:12 am : link
In comment 14168194 Mike in Long Beach said:
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and will serve 3 to 4 if he behaves.


Sorry, Mike. But your 'lawyer' friend is a fuckin' moron.

You do 90% of a Federal sentence. So, if he gets 10 years,.......well, you do the math.

I wouldn't be taking ANY legal advice from him. If he is a lawyer and he doesn't know that, he isn't worth his salt.
I've said this before - if you've followed Carton's career  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/8/2018 8:39 am : link
There's nothing to feel sorry for when it comes to that guy.
Good riddance.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/8/2018 9:08 am : link
Guy seems like a total dick.
It would be absurd  
Jay on the Island : 11/8/2018 9:28 am : link
if Carton served less time than Joseph Meli who is serving 6 1/2 years.
RE: It would be absurd  
baadbill : 11/8/2018 9:44 am : link
In comment 14168701 Jay on the Island said:
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if Carton served less time than Joseph Meli who is serving 6 1/2 years.


And thatís not how the system works. If you refuse to plead guilty and are later convicted, you absolutely get a longer sentence.
RE: I've said this before - if you've followed Carton's career  
TyreeHelmet : 11/8/2018 11:22 am : link
In comment 14168650 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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There's nothing to feel sorry for when it comes to that guy.


This^. Even his tourettes charity was a complete fraud that provided no money to research or patients.

And how about Al Dukes trying to defend the guy because he stole from hedge fund guys, strip club guys and loan sharks? Claims there weren't any victims...
He may have a gambling addiction  
Dave on the UWS : 11/8/2018 1:56 pm : link
but itís not relevant here. He publicly used his microphone as a bully pulpit to lambast Madoff (and the Wilsonís) over Madoffís Ponzi scheme, the turns around and used the same scheme to get his ass out of trouble. He willfully, intentionally and without remorse screwed people over to try to save his own skin. I hope the judge makes an example of him. And if his wife knew nothing about this then thatís not a compliment to her.
I find it real hard to buy the "addiction" excuse.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/8/2018 2:07 pm : link
That's just a way for people who know him to pretend that they weren't actually friends with a flat out bad guy.
Al Dukes  
jestersdead : 11/8/2018 2:16 pm : link
going the addiction route and then responding to twitter comments with, "who did he defraud" is pathetic. I get you want to defend your friend but admit that what he tried to do was defraud potential investors in Craig's ponzi scheme. The FBI charged him and then a jury of his peers found him guilty. There is enough paper trail to piece it together, Al
RE: RE: He deserves punishment  
chopperhatch : 11/8/2018 2:33 pm : link
In comment 14168282 B in ALB said:
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In comment 14168265 joeinpa said:


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For what he did. But we re talking about Man s life here.

I hope 3 to 4 years and he finds a way to pick up the pieces



How about the people who he robbed? What do they get? Nothing.

Some of you guys are wacky.


B, just so you know, joe here has MULTIPLE degrees. He told me so himself.

Lol
There should be no such thing as an addiction ďexcuseĒ  
mfsd : 11/8/2018 2:42 pm : link
a lot of addicts commit crimes, many in pursuit of money or their addiction of choice. Many other addicts donít commit crimes.

But admitting to your offenses, accepting responsibility and whatever punishment is warranted, and making restitution, whether financial or by other means appropriate with the people you mistreated is part of facing and recovering from addiction.

If heís a gambling addict, I hope he faces it and seeks help. But he shouldnt do one minute less jail time bc of that. And being a gambling addict doesnít make him any less of a piece of shit for the way he behaved due to his addiction.
RE: Al Dukes  
TyreeHelmet : 11/8/2018 3:11 pm : link
In comment 14169177 jestersdead said:
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going the addiction route and then responding to twitter comments with, "who did he defraud" is pathetic. I get you want to defend your friend but admit that what he tried to do was defraud potential investors in Craig's ponzi scheme. The FBI charged him and then a jury of his peers found him guilty. There is enough paper trail to piece it together, Al


I don't buy the addiction excuse for one second. He was a bad guy who did bad things. Deserves whats coming to him.
RE: B  
gmenatlarge : 11/8/2018 3:21 pm : link
In comment 14168472 joeinpa said:
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I knew Joe Paterno on a personal basis. I was not a friend or anything close to that. But Jerry Sandusky molested those kids, not Paterno.

Paterno should have done more, he admitted as much.

But For you to take my feelings for Paterno and interpret them to mean I condone want went on there is wrong,

For you to take my fandom of Penn State as support for what happened there is also wrong

Are you suggesting any Giants fan cheering for Barkley is supporting what happened at Penn State.

Lastly you know nothing about me. The professional life I ve had, the respect and esteem of many whom I have come across in my career have for me. I have made a difference and am known as a person of character.

For you to suggest I would put a football program above the safety of children is beyond insulting

My only motivation for ever defending Paterno was because of the relationship I had with him and the side of him I know that you don t.

I shared before It was a mistake to do that here.

And personally I don't care if your not buying what I m selling.

But you couldn't be more wrong in your assessment.

That s the problem with this for of communication. Tone is often lost, and understanding tone is crucial I'm understanding a message

Not to attack you, but for me Paterno's lack of action was an unforgivable offense. He put his university before the safety of innocent children.
I've seen some of Al Dukes' ridiculous comments  
Matt M. : 11/12/2018 8:56 am : link
Did Boomer have anything to say about this?
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