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adamg : 11/7/2018 6:58 pm
Starting lineup: Hardaway, Ntilikina, Vonleh, Dotson and Robinson

Glad he's keeping Frank in there.
Hardaway back.  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/7/2018 7:41 pm : link
Any other Big 10 player would be out at least 4 months with his injury. #MichiganStrong
Lets eee  
XBRONX : 11/7/2018 7:46 pm : link
if Mario and Frank keep up their dreadful shooting.
Frank is such a fucking pussy  
adamg : 11/7/2018 7:47 pm : link
Didn't even try to rebound under the rim there. Ugh
Fiz seems to really like Mudiay  
steve in ky : 11/7/2018 7:48 pm : link
he's getting a lot of time since coming back
RE: Fiz seems to really like Mudiay  
adamg : 11/7/2018 7:50 pm : link
In comment 14168353 steve in ky said:
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he's getting a lot of time since coming back


I think it's more a function of Frank looking fucking awful.
Bernard King talked to the team apparently.  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/7/2018 7:54 pm : link
How many people do you think he pushed his book on?
RE: RE: Fiz seems to really like Mudiay  
Del Shofner : 11/7/2018 7:54 pm : link
In comment 14168357 adamg said:
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he's getting a lot of time since coming back



I think it's more a function of Frank looking fucking awful.


Unfortunately true.
Frank will be fine  
Oscar : 11/7/2018 7:54 pm : link
Many turning on him right now. Wish I could buy up all the Frank stock.
I'm not turning on Frank  
adamg : 11/7/2018 7:56 pm : link
He's just playing bad. I'm absolutely rooting for him to turn it around.
I'm not turning on him.  
Del Shofner : 11/7/2018 7:56 pm : link
He just looked bad in the early going tonight.

Vonleh, on the other hand ...
VOnleh on fire  
adamg : 11/7/2018 7:56 pm : link
Ten points already
Vonleh is a man on a mission tonight  
Giantology : 11/7/2018 7:57 pm : link
Fuck yes
RE: Frank will be fine  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/7/2018 7:58 pm : link
In comment 14168364 Oscar said:
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Many turning on him right now. Wish I could buy up all the Frank stock.


ITs okay to say he’s playing like shit offensively. He makes Vonleh look like Steph Curry
Does Hardaway  
Earl the goat : 11/7/2018 7:58 pm : link
Ever pass the ball. He’s worse than Melo
Knox sighting  
adamg : 11/7/2018 7:58 pm : link
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The thing with Frank is he's such a contributer on D  
adamg : 11/7/2018 7:59 pm : link
To see him struggle so much on O is infuriating. He could be doing so much for this team if he was just adequate on O.
Mudiay living in the paint  
nygiants16 : 11/7/2018 8:01 pm : link
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RE: VOnleh on fire  
Del Shofner : 11/7/2018 8:02 pm : link
In comment 14168369 adamg said:
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Ten points already


Basically a double-double for Vonleh in the first quarter.

Mudiay is looking pretty good too, I think.
Our offense only seems to work when Timmy is on the court  
Giantology : 11/7/2018 8:06 pm : link
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Hezonja kinda sucks  
Del Shofner : 11/7/2018 8:07 pm : link
at least right now.
defense goes to shit when kanter comes in  
nygiants16 : 11/7/2018 8:09 pm : link
he had 3 guys on him and failed to pass it out...
Maybe Frank will be fine. Maybe not.  
Greg from LI : 11/7/2018 8:09 pm : link
I see no reason to assume he will be. He has shown no res improvement on offense since last year. It's the same ol' story - he has a nice game or two, people start excitedly talking him up, and he goes right back to sucking.
Res? Real  
Greg from LI : 11/7/2018 8:10 pm : link
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Frank is already a plus defender at 19  
Oscar : 11/7/2018 8:15 pm : link
His three point shot is off right now, he’ll find it. Needs to be more assertive on offense of course. But you watch Mudiay out there for example who basically cannot play and it’s night and day. Frank at least gives the team a solid foundation on defense.
Guess we forgot how to make free throws  
Giantology : 11/7/2018 8:19 pm : link
4/12? Jesus
No one is complaining about Franks defense.  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/7/2018 8:20 pm : link
He’s a black hole at point guard in a scoring league.
On what basis do you say "he'll find it"?  
Greg from LI : 11/7/2018 8:22 pm : link
That's what confuses me.
Frank found that one!  
Giantology : 11/7/2018 8:25 pm : link
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officiating in the nba is horrible..  
nygiants16 : 11/7/2018 8:25 pm : link
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Heat Miser with the nice move!  
GiantsUA : 11/7/2018 8:28 pm : link
Kanter moving at a different speed, slow and plodding vs. up tempo ball.
Michigan Man 0-5 from three  
B in ALB : 11/7/2018 8:31 pm : link
Time to pick it up bud.
He’s demonstrated he can shoot the three  
Oscar : 11/7/2018 8:31 pm : link
I’m not saying he’s going to be Curry but I think he’ll become an effective shooter. I am more concerned about his reluctance to drive to the basket. He’s been missing short repeatedly these last few games which I think is fine, at least it’s consistent and he can probably work through it. I would be a hell of a lot more worried if the ball was going all over the gym like it is with Fultz.
RE: On what basis do you say  
nygiants16 : 11/7/2018 8:32 pm : link
In comment 14168394 Greg from LI said:
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That's what confuses me.


you have no idea if he will find it or not...

no one does and anyone who says definite either way is wrong...

he may never find it
Nice to see Frank hitting some shots  
adamg : 11/7/2018 8:39 pm : link
That airball three wasn't so nice though...
Michigan Man looking like  
B in ALB : 11/7/2018 8:40 pm : link
Michigan Shit. Awful offense and just got shook out of his boots on defense.
Is it just me or does Trier look like  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/7/2018 8:42 pm : link
Arthur the Aardvark?

Trier's hair = heat miser  
GiantsUA : 11/7/2018 8:43 pm : link
plus he brings the heat
This new brand of basketball where the whistle is blown every  
PhiPsi125 : 11/7/2018 8:48 pm : link
20 seconds is really difficult to watch. Can’t touch any player anymore.
RE: Is it just me or does Trier look like  
Greg from LI : 11/7/2018 8:49 pm : link
In comment 14168412 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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Arthur the Aardvark?



It's just you
Hezonja's gotta go. He's awful defensively and very streaky  
yatqb : 11/7/2018 8:50 pm : link
offensively. I don't know what the stats say, but from what I've seen the team plays worse when he's on the court.
RE: Trier's hair = heat miser  
Mike in NJ : 11/7/2018 8:52 pm : link
In comment 14168414 GiantsUA said:
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plus he brings the heat


The Cosmo Kramer hair?
RE: Is it just me or does Trier look like  
B in ALB : 11/7/2018 8:55 pm : link
In comment 14168412 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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Arthur the Aardvark?



No. It's just you.

And who the fuck is Arthur the Aardvark?
RE: RE: Is it just me or does Trier look like  
chopperhatch : 11/7/2018 9:02 pm : link
In comment 14168426 B in ALB said:
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Arthur the Aardvark?





No. It's just you.

And who the fuck is Arthur the Aardvark?


He's a C list cartoon character and, no, Trier doesnt resemble him.



RE: RE: Is it just me or does Trier look like  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/7/2018 9:02 pm : link
In comment 14168426 B in ALB said:
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No. It's just you.

And who the fuck is Arthur the Aardvark?


Old cartoon
After watching last night (Duke Kids)  
Really : 11/7/2018 9:03 pm : link
am I in the minority rooting for an L especially from a team in the running for the top pick?
Trier looks more like Sebulba from Star Wars Ep. 1  
chopperhatch : 11/7/2018 9:06 pm : link


I've got one for you guys  
B in ALB : 11/7/2018 9:08 pm : link
Tim Hardaway lookalike.


I actually want Hardaway to succeed  
B in ALB : 11/7/2018 9:14 pm : link
Just giving LT a little sauce.
RE: After watching last night (Duke Kids)  
nygiants16 : 11/7/2018 9:15 pm : link
In comment 14168434 Really said:
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am I in the minority rooting for an L especially from a team in the running for the top pick?


in the moment i cant root for a loss, but if they lose it does not bother me...really as long as the kids play well
The MICHIGAN difference  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/7/2018 9:15 pm : link
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Haha all good B  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/7/2018 9:15 pm : link
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I take back all the bad things I ever said about Mudiay  
Ira : 11/7/2018 9:16 pm : link
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RE: Haha all good B  
B in ALB : 11/7/2018 9:19 pm : link
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Unrelated. But do you think Rutgers will score a point this weekend? I'm thinking of throwing down on a shutout. It's a 40 point spread and Harbaugh loves games like this to make a statement to the committee.
Why do they boo Trier  
bceagle05 : 11/7/2018 9:23 pm : link
every time he has the ball?
RE: Why do they boo Trier  
Giantology : 11/7/2018 9:30 pm : link
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every time he has the ball?


Atlantans hate aardvarks
How was that NOT a foul on Carter  
B in ALB : 11/7/2018 9:30 pm : link
on NV?

And now an off the ball foul on Kanter to boot?

NBA professional refs are amazing.
RE: RE: Haha all good B  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/7/2018 9:33 pm : link
In comment 14168449 B in ALB said:
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Unrelated. But do you think Rutgers will score a point this weekend? I'm thinking of throwing down on a shutout. It's a 40 point spread and Harbaugh loves games like this to make a statement to the committee.


If they're gonna pitch a shutout Rutgers would be the game. I see them somehow getting points on the board though.
RE: RE: RE: Fiz seems to really like Mudiay  
steve in ky : 11/7/2018 9:37 pm : link
In comment 14168363 Del Shofner said:
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he's getting a lot of time since coming back



I think it's more a function of Frank looking fucking awful.



Unfortunately true.


Except that he seems to have also jumped past Burke on the depth chart
^^^^  
Del Shofner : 11/7/2018 9:40 pm : link
I don't see Burke as an NBA player long-term. He's just too small. That said, Frank is having an all-around stinker of a game tonight.
WTF!  
Del Shofner : 11/7/2018 9:43 pm : link
Kanter and Plumlee doing judo.
what a flop  
nygiants16 : 11/7/2018 9:48 pm : link
vonleh stopped
floppy flop.  
guitarguybs12 : 11/7/2018 9:48 pm : link
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Nice box out by Kanter  
B in ALB : 11/7/2018 9:49 pm : link
Wow. He doesn't give a shit on the defensive end.

And mercifully, Frankie's night is over.
RE: Nice box out by Kanter  
Del Shofner : 11/7/2018 9:55 pm : link
In comment 14168476 B in ALB said:
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Failure to box out is one of my pet peeves about many of the Knicks in recent years. But that was egregious.
can we cut Hezonja tomorrow?  
Del Shofner : 11/7/2018 9:56 pm : link
The guy is trouble on both offense and defense.
this official has called evwrything on the knicks  
nygiants16 : 11/7/2018 9:56 pm : link
nothing on the hawks
Mudiay got hurt -  
Del Shofner : 11/7/2018 9:57 pm : link
not clear how bad it is.
Trier just embarrassed Bazemore  
adamg : 11/7/2018 9:59 pm : link
Nice
RE: RE: Nice box out by Kanter  
steve in ky : 11/7/2018 9:59 pm : link
In comment 14168478 Del Shofner said:
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Failure to box out is one of my pet peeves about many of the Knicks in recent years. But that was egregious.


For a guy who is so aggressive on the boards and with such great instincts for where the ball is going to be you would think some of that would translate more for his defensive positioning.
A Timmy Tankbuster special.  
bceagle05 : 11/7/2018 10:02 pm : link
Dropping 30 on scrubs as only he can.
RE: A Timmy Tankbuster special.  
nygiants16 : 11/7/2018 10:05 pm : link
In comment 14168490 bceagle05 said:
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Dropping 30 on scrubs as only he can.


future 3rd piece
RE: RE: A Timmy Tankbuster special.  
adamg : 11/7/2018 10:07 pm : link
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Dropping 30 on scrubs as only he can.



future 3rd piece
Ideally he's a fourth piece. He doesn't have a killer instinct at the end of games.
More like a Cod Piece.  
B in ALB : 11/7/2018 10:08 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: A Timmy Tankbuster special.  
nygiants16 : 11/7/2018 10:08 pm : link
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Dropping 30 on scrubs as only he can.



future 3rd piece

Ideally he's a fourth piece. He doesn't have a killer instinct at the end of games.


yeah 4th piece ideally...
Hardaway sucks at FTs in crunch time  
adamg : 11/7/2018 10:11 pm : link
So unclutch
Trier - WTF?  
Del Shofner : 11/7/2018 10:11 pm : link
3 pt shot foul with 12 seconds remaining.
Prince just said "hold my beer"  
adamg : 11/7/2018 10:12 pm : link
to Hardaway
RE: Trier - WTF?  
steve in ky : 11/7/2018 10:12 pm : link
In comment 14168499 Del Shofner said:
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3 pt shot foul with 12 seconds remaining.


That's even beyond a rookie mistake, just dumb.
well, up to 4 wins.  
Del Shofner : 11/7/2018 10:14 pm : link
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i hope it is jjst rust with knox  
nygiants16 : 11/7/2018 10:15 pm : link
but man sometimes he just looks out of it on the ciurt, he lets a couple missed shots effect his game...

he had 1 sequence of really good d
two days off then Toronto at their place -  
Del Shofner : 11/7/2018 10:17 pm : link
unlikely to pull off a win there.

Yeah, Knox looks rusty but I think he is. I wouldn't panic. He's 19 and has been in and out of the lineup. He'll be good when he gets in sync.
RE: two days off then Toronto at their place -  
nygiants16 : 11/7/2018 10:29 pm : link
In comment 14168505 Del Shofner said:
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unlikely to pull off a win there.

Yeah, Knox looks rusty but I think he is. I wouldn't panic. He's 19 and has been in and out of the lineup. He'll be good when he gets in sync.


it is not really panic, more concern that he is getting to down kn himself..

in summer league when he missed shota he attacked the paint and got himself going that way...

he is rushes to much when he gets the ball, almost like he is afraid he will never touch it
Knicks  
TyreeHelmet : 11/7/2018 10:36 pm : link
I’m loving Fiz so far. Guy can coach and he’s fun listening to during pressers.

Can MSG please replace Alan Hahn? Not a fan.
Why not send Knox to D League  
GMEN46 : 11/8/2018 12:21 am : link
For 3 games. Let him play 25-30 and build up his confidence and then come back ready to play. A player can’t get back in a groove playing 9 minutes. Even the best baseball players in the world go to the minors after and injury to get there repetition back.
Knicks Film School tweet about Frank's D tonight  
adamg : 11/8/2018 12:34 am : link
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Twittah! - ( New Window )
Timmy shot 2/11 from three  
adamg : 11/8/2018 12:45 am : link
And still had 34 points. Kind of crazy.
RE: Trier looks more like Sebulba from Star Wars Ep. 1  
Vanzetti : 11/8/2018 1:21 am : link
In comment 14168438 chopperhatch said:
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Thanks for the racist post of the play. What a tool.
Can  
DanMetroMan : 11/8/2018 7:23 am : link
we not play the Hawks again. Both games were snoozers and sloppy
Living in NYS section 2 and watching  
GiantsUA : 11/8/2018 8:18 am : link
Kevin Huerter play in HS, very interested in watching his NBA career progress.

Some very good clips of Huerter from Peachtree hoops.
Huerter clips - ( New Window )
RE: Living in NYS section 2 and watching  
Stu11 : 11/8/2018 8:38 am : link
In comment 14168628 GiantsUA said:
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Kevin Huerter play in HS, very interested in watching his NBA career progress.

Some very good clips of Huerter from Peachtree hoops. Huerter clips - ( New Window )

The kid definitely mad ethe right decision since he was a 1st rounder, but still bummed he left Maryland. Was so fun to watch and I think we never got to see his best. If he came back we'd have top 10-15 potential with this killer freshman class we have.
RE: Knicks Film School tweet about Frank's D tonight  
Heisenberg : 11/8/2018 8:39 am : link
In comment 14168557 adamg said:
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. Twittah! - ( New Window )


Frank is an elite defender.
RE: RE: Knicks Film School tweet about Frank's D tonight  
TommyWiseau : 11/8/2018 9:06 am : link
In comment 14168652 Heisenberg said:
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Frank is an elite defender.


If he can get his shot to be even above average, with enough scorer's at the 2 3 4 and even 5, we can deal with his lack of offense. A PG who can play defense in today's NBA has value
RE: Why not send Knox to D League  
Del Shofner : 11/8/2018 9:47 am : link
In comment 14168555 GMEN46 said:
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For 3 games. Let him play 25-30 and build up his confidence and then come back ready to play. A player can’t get back in a groove playing 9 minutes. Even the best baseball players in the world go to the minors after and injury to get there repetition back.


Not a bad idea.
I mean is it really anything new with Knox?  
Anakim : 11/8/2018 10:17 am : link
We kind of knew going in that he didn't have an accurate shot. He has a smooth shooting stroke, but his shots simply don't fall. We saw that in Kentucky, Summer League and now, in the NBA.
RE: I mean is it really anything new with Knox?  
nygiants16 : 11/8/2018 10:26 am : link
In comment 14168773 Anakim said:
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We kind of knew going in that he didn't have an accurate shot. He has a smooth shooting stroke, but his shots simply don't fall. We saw that in Kentucky, Summer League and now, in the NBA.


he shot 35 percent from 3 and 50 percent from 2 kn college
Hopefully  
DanMetroMan : 11/8/2018 10:54 am : link
B in Al offended by this but... um Buddy Hield? He's averaging 20, 6 and 3 on 51% from the field, 46% from 3. Dude is ballin
RE: RE: I mean is it really anything new with Knox?  
Anakim : 11/8/2018 11:02 am : link
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We kind of knew going in that he didn't have an accurate shot. He has a smooth shooting stroke, but his shots simply don't fall. We saw that in Kentucky, Summer League and now, in the NBA.



he shot 35 percent from 3 and 50 percent from 2 kn college


34% from 3 isn't really good and he wasn't a good FT shooter. Consistency has always been his problem.
Knox  
Jon in NYC : 11/8/2018 11:04 am : link
needs to become a better shooter to reach anything close to his NBA potential.
Agree Knox and Frank need to shoot  
Carl in CT : 11/8/2018 11:07 am : link
10,000 shots this offseason.
RE: Knox  
Anakim : 11/8/2018 11:09 am : link
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needs to become a better shooter to reach anything close to his NBA potential.


The whole thing was that he had the mechanics and stroke to be able to knock down those shots. I'm farrrrrr from a basketball expert, but I don't really understand that logic. If the shots aren't falling for him when he has a picture-perfect stroke, why would they fall for him in the future?
I was in the minority saying Knox needs to come off the bench.  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/8/2018 11:09 am : link
Yeah he flashed in Summer League against guys who aren't gonna be even in the league. His preseason he was shaky and his body language wasn't good.

Hopefully it's more rust than anything and getting time on the floor helps him.
I know nobody here is drawing any final conclusions on Knox  
bceagle05 : 11/8/2018 11:15 am : link
but for the sake of conversation, he's appeared in four NBA games - one was his NBA debut (obvious nerves) and another two were spot minutes coming off an injury with no practice time. The one game he played under "normal" circumstances was against Brooklyn, where he scored 17 points and looked good doing it. He's in for a rough night against the Toronto wings, but hopefully he settles in after that.
RE: RE: Knox  
nygiants16 : 11/8/2018 11:19 am : link
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needs to become a better shooter to reach anything close to his NBA potential.



The whole thing was that he had the mechanics and stroke to be able to knock down those shots. I'm farrrrrr from a basketball expert, but I don't really understand that logic. If the shots aren't falling for him when he has a picture-perfect stroke, why would they fall for him in the future?


he knocked down shots in college, what are you talking about?

and like BC said  
nygiants16 : 11/8/2018 11:23 am : link
and the 2 games he has played normal minutes 1 was a great game the other was his first nba game
RE: RE: Knox  
Jon in NYC : 11/8/2018 11:23 am : link
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needs to become a better shooter to reach anything close to his NBA potential.



The whole thing was that he had the mechanics and stroke to be able to knock down those shots. I'm farrrrrr from a basketball expert, but I don't really understand that logic. If the shots aren't falling for him when he has a picture-perfect stroke, why would they fall for him in the future?


Practice. He's been playing a high level of basketball for basically 2 seasons.
Fiz says that Knox wasn't even practicing. He went in for 9 minutes  
Heisenberg : 11/8/2018 11:58 am : link
and Fiz described that as his practice. He's still coming back from the injury
My guess is that Knox turns out to be our third best rookie  
Ira : 11/8/2018 12:30 pm : link
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Frank is averaging 8 ppg and 4 assists pg  
djm : 11/8/2018 1:18 pm : link
Compared to 6 and 3 last year. Virtually the same shooting %...

For what it’s worth...
Not sure why some would conclude that frank sucked last night  
djm : 11/8/2018 1:24 pm : link
50 % from the field. +3 overall. None of the Atlanta guards shot well which he had a hand in.

Then again people also found a way to bash hardaway and his 34 so what do I know.
RE: RE: RE: Knox  
Anakim : 11/8/2018 1:45 pm : link
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needs to become a better shooter to reach anything close to his NBA potential.



The whole thing was that he had the mechanics and stroke to be able to knock down those shots. I'm farrrrrr from a basketball expert, but I don't really understand that logic. If the shots aren't falling for him when he has a picture-perfect stroke, why would they fall for him in the future?



he knocked down shots in college, what are you talking about?


No, he didn't. He was a streaky shooter, kind of like what we're seeing now.
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nygiants16 : 11/8/2018 2:14 pm : link
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needs to become a better shooter to reach anything close to his NBA potential.



The whole thing was that he had the mechanics and stroke to be able to knock down those shots. I'm farrrrrr from a basketball expert, but I don't really understand that logic. If the shots aren't falling for him when he has a picture-perfect stroke, why would they fall for him in the future?



he knocked down shots in college, what are you talking about?




No, he didn't. He was a streaky shooter, kind of like what we're seeing now.


he shot 35 percent from 3 and 50 percent from 2...

that is far from streaky and saying he can not make shots
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Anakim : 11/8/2018 4:11 pm : link
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needs to become a better shooter to reach anything close to his NBA potential.



The whole thing was that he had the mechanics and stroke to be able to knock down those shots. I'm farrrrrr from a basketball expert, but I don't really understand that logic. If the shots aren't falling for him when he has a picture-perfect stroke, why would they fall for him in the future?



he knocked down shots in college, what are you talking about?




No, he didn't. He was a streaky shooter, kind of like what we're seeing now.



he shot 35 percent from 3 and 50 percent from 2...

that is far from streaky and saying he can not make shots


You keep saying that. 34% from 3 isn't good. It may even be below average. 50% from 2...that's not that great either. Besides, how many of those were field goals?



He's an inconsistent shooter. He's more of a volume scorer than a shooter and I don't think he eclipsed above average TS% last year at Kentucky.
Are we talking college 3% or NBA?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/8/2018 4:42 pm : link
34% doesn't move the needle at all but it's certainly within the realm of possibility that that number goes up with development and that should't take long at all. Kristaps shot 33% as a rookie, and closed out 2017 shooting 39%

The top 100 current career active leaders in NBA 3P%, Curry is at the top at 43%, but he's going to the hall of fame and shouldn't be the standard for anyone.

Dirk is a career 38%
JR Smith .37% (lol)
Hayward .366%
Harden .365%
KP .360%

34% for an 18 year old who was mainly a football player  
Greg from LI : 11/8/2018 4:48 pm : link
until he was 15 or so isn't bad at all. Klay Thompson shot 39% for his college career on 3s.
I'm not saying Knox isn't going to get better  
Anakim : 11/8/2018 5:22 pm : link
I'm just pointing out that right now, he's an inconsistent shooter
Anakim  
XBRONX : 11/8/2018 5:30 pm : link
Knox shot 50% from 2 point range and .775 from the free throw line. What are you talking about?
RE: Anakim  
Anakim : 11/8/2018 5:33 pm : link
In comment 14169337 XBRONX said:
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Knox shot 50% from 2 point range and .775 from the free throw line. What are you talking about?


Thank you, NYGiants11...saying the same thing over and over again doesn't tell me anything.
#16, whatever  
Anakim : 11/8/2018 5:39 pm : link
But the point is I'm not sure how you can't say that Knox wasn't an inconsistent shooter during his time at Kentucky.
Anakim  
XBRONX : 11/8/2018 5:40 pm : link
Just admit your wrong and end it.
RE: Anakim  
Anakim : 11/8/2018 5:44 pm : link
In comment 14169343 XBRONX said:
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Just admit your wrong and end it.


Except I'm not. Knox was an extremely inconsistent shooter at Kentucky (undeniable), 34% from 3 line is average to below average and I'd still like to know how much of that 50% from 2 were drives/lay-ups and how much were actual field goal jumpshots.


So unless you have something to provide that NYGiants16 didn't, I suggest you take a walk.
per Begley on ESPN:  
Del Shofner : 11/8/2018 9:14 pm : link
Emmanuel Mudiay is dealing with an ankle injury but he may play on Saturday against Toronto. Mudiay has averaged 13.5 points and 2.5 assists in the Knicks' past two games. David Fizdale inserted Mudiay as his backup point guard, ahead of Trey Burke during that span. "I think the most important thing that's happened for him is when he got hurt he got a chance to take a step back and watch everything," Fizdale said of Mudiay, who missed the Knicks' first six games with an ankle injury. "And I think he has a really high IQ and sees the floor well so it kind of helped him digest the system and how things work. And took some pressure off him I think as well. I don't know. I think our staff has done a heck of a job developing him and working on his game with him. And obviously I pump a ton of confidence in him. And I do have a lot of confidence in him. And so I've been really been happy with the way he's been performing."
RE: per Begley on ESPN:  
adamg : 11/8/2018 11:24 pm : link
In comment 14169448 Del Shofner said:
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Emmanuel Mudiay is dealing with an ankle injury but he may play on Saturday against Toronto. Mudiay has averaged 13.5 points and 2.5 assists in the Knicks' past two games. David Fizdale inserted Mudiay as his backup point guard, ahead of Trey Burke during that span. "I think the most important thing that's happened for him is when he got hurt he got a chance to take a step back and watch everything," Fizdale said of Mudiay, who missed the Knicks' first six games with an ankle injury. "And I think he has a really high IQ and sees the floor well so it kind of helped him digest the system and how things work. And took some pressure off him I think as well. I don't know. I think our staff has done a heck of a job developing him and working on his game with him. And obviously I pump a ton of confidence in him. And I do have a lot of confidence in him. And so I've been really been happy with the way he's been performing."
Interesting framing of his role as a coach. I don't think Horny talked the same way.
lol  
DanMetroMan : 11/9/2018 7:24 am : link
Ian Begley
ESPN Staff Writer

David Fizdale said Thursday that injured All-Star Kristaps Porzingis was at the stage of light running -- but not sprinting -- in his rehab from an ACL tear. After those comments were published in media reports, Porzingis posted pictures of himself sprinting on Instagram.

RE: lol  
nygiants16 : 11/9/2018 7:26 am : link
In comment 14169592 DanMetroMan said:
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Ian Begley
ESPN Staff Writer

David Fizdale said Thursday that injured All-Star Kristaps Porzingis was at the stage of light running -- but not sprinting -- in his rehab from an ACL tear. After those comments were published in media reports, Porzingis posted pictures of himself sprinting on Instagram.


this is the baby shit from kp i can not stand...
Melo  
DanMetroMan : 11/9/2018 7:33 am : link
20 minutes, -22, 1-11 from the field yikes

-Boston was down 32-13 and came back to beat the awful Suns

-Blazers quietly 9-3

-Bucks crushed Golden State 134-111, held Curry to 10 points
Revenge game for melo  
Keith : 11/9/2018 7:40 am : link
Lol. Went well
RE: RE: lol  
Keith : 11/9/2018 7:41 am : link
In comment 14169593 nygiants16 said:
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Ian Begley
ESPN Staff Writer

David Fizdale said Thursday that injured All-Star Kristaps Porzingis was at the stage of light running -- but not sprinting -- in his rehab from an ACL tear. After those comments were published in media reports, Porzingis posted pictures of himself sprinting on Instagram.




this is the baby shit from kp i can not stand...


They gotta get KP on board. Clearly the knicks want to hold him out as long as possible. KP needs to understand the long term plan.
Melo will go down as  
dep026 : 11/9/2018 7:49 am : link
One of the most overrated players in his generation.
RE: RE: RE: lol  
nygiants16 : 11/9/2018 7:54 am : link
In comment 14169605 Keith said:
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Ian Begley
ESPN Staff Writer

David Fizdale said Thursday that injured All-Star Kristaps Porzingis was at the stage of light running -- but not sprinting -- in his rehab from an ACL tear. After those comments were published in media reports, Porzingis posted pictures of himself sprinting on Instagram.




this is the baby shit from kp i can not stand...



They gotta get KP on board. Clearly the knicks want to hold him out as long as possible. KP needs to understand the long term plan.


Fizdale did not even say anything wrong, he basically said he doesnt want to get ahead of himself woth kp and get excited about having him back..

plus he knew if he said kp was running aprints he would be asked a million questions every day and didnt want to put pressure on kp...

Good quick read  
Oscar : 11/9/2018 8:03 am : link
From the Ringer
Knicks are finally the right kind of bad - ( New Window )
Porzingis got the worst NBA education possible from Anthony  
arniefez : 11/9/2018 8:10 am : link
I hope the Knicks use him to their best advantage even if that means trading him on their terms. This whole franchise player thing from a guy who has accomplished nothing and can't stay healthy is total bullshit.
You got understand though they’re his pride involved.  
Keith : 11/9/2018 8:22 am : link
I assure you KP is way further along than coach wants to admit. The Knicks are in no rush to bring KP back, they are better off the longer he doesn’t play. I’m sure KP doesn’t want to be viewed as a slow healer.
RE: You got understand though they’re his pride involved.  
nygiants16 : 11/9/2018 8:37 am : link
In comment 14169622 Keith said:
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I assure you KP is way further along than coach wants to admit. The Knicks are in no rush to bring KP back, they are better off the longer he doesn’t play. I’m sure KP doesn’t want to be viewed as a slow healer.


KP himself said he was going to take it slow and did not want to ckme back until he is 110%...

I guarantee he saw how well some of the young guys are playing and the style they are playing and is thinking if he is out there they win a few more of these games...

you could see the impatience coming especially when he posted about how much he misses playing...
I have saod this since he blew off exit meeting  
nygiants16 : 11/9/2018 8:41 am : link
he has no outside representation, it is all family in his ear and when that happens they are all going to side with him. No one is going to explain the other side and no one is going to say listen this is probably where they are coming from...

instead he gets the well look they are throwing you under the bus got to take care of yourself.

i bet he got home and someone told him you got to show you are sprinting because this makes you look bad..
RE: RE: lol  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/9/2018 9:16 am : link
In comment 14169593 nygiants16 said:
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Ian Begley
ESPN Staff Writer

David Fizdale said Thursday that injured All-Star Kristaps Porzingis was at the stage of light running -- but not sprinting -- in his rehab from an ACL tear. After those comments were published in media reports, Porzingis posted pictures of himself sprinting on Instagram.




this is the baby shit from kp i can not stand...

I don't really see what the big deal is.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/9/2018 9:18 am : link
Why does it matter?
RE: I don't really see what the big deal is.  
nygiants16 : 11/9/2018 9:27 am : link
In comment 14169664 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Why does it matter?


because it makes it seem like kp didnt like fizdale saying he was not sprinting yet and it makes it seem like him and the front office are not on the same page...

this is the stuff the media runs with...
16, I don't think thats what it is.  
Keith : 11/9/2018 9:33 am : link
First off, we can agree that it's in the Knicks best interest to hold KP out as long as possible. The other kids will get more PT and experience and the Knicks should lose more games thus giving them a better shot at a good pick.

We can also agree that the league and/or players union would not be ok with the Knicks holding KP out when he's healthy to play.

I also believe that KP is way further along in his recovery than Fizdale is letting on, way futher. If the Knicks were competitive, he'd probably be playing in Dec/Jan at the latest, but considering the situation, they are taking in extra slow. The guy was jumping off of a boat 3 months ago. If he's only jogging now, he would have blown his knee up doing that. Ive had 2 ACL reconstructions, I'm speaking from experience.

Therefore, the Knicks don't want people thinking that KP is anywhere close to playing. HOwever, KP doesn't want people thinking that he's soft or a slow healer. That's why I think KP showed that.
.  
Anakim : 11/9/2018 9:45 am : link
Wasn't KP jumping off boats and swimming within a couple of months of his surgery?
RE: 16, I don't think thats what it is.  
nygiants16 : 11/9/2018 9:50 am : link
In comment 14169696 Keith said:
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First off, we can agree that it's in the Knicks best interest to hold KP out as long as possible. The other kids will get more PT and experience and the Knicks should lose more games thus giving them a better shot at a good pick.

We can also agree that the league and/or players union would not be ok with the Knicks holding KP out when he's healthy to play.

I also believe that KP is way further along in his recovery than Fizdale is letting on, way futher. If the Knicks were competitive, he'd probably be playing in Dec/Jan at the latest, but considering the situation, they are taking in extra slow. The guy was jumping off of a boat 3 months ago. If he's only jogging now, he would have blown his knee up doing that. Ive had 2 ACL reconstructions, I'm speaking from experience.

Therefore, the Knicks don't want people thinking that KP is anywhere close to playing. HOwever, KP doesn't want people thinking that he's soft or a slow healer. That's why I think KP showed that.


i agree with that...

my point was that kp should of went to fiz first and say hey why did you say i am not running yet...

kp loves to make everything out in the open, i would rather that stuff be kept in house..

it makes it seem like they are all not on the same page qhen kp himself said he was going to take it slow
If KP is at a point where he can only jog,  
Keith : 11/9/2018 9:51 am : link
it's because his knee isn't stable enough to do more and the muscles around his knee aren't strong enough yet. If that's the case, I assure you that jumping off the boat like he did was a major risk to his knee. He's so much further along than the Knicks are saying.
16,  
Keith : 11/9/2018 9:54 am : link
I agree. I bet the KNicks don't want KP doing that, it's making them look like liars and sending up red flags. They need to delay his return as long as possible and they won't be able to do that if KP is showing the world that he's ready.

Hopefully he only plays in 20-30 games which would mean sometime towards the end of Feb, beginning of March.
RE: 16,  
nygiants16 : 11/9/2018 10:00 am : link
In comment 14169746 Keith said:
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I agree. I bet the KNicks don't want KP doing that, it's making them look like liars and sending up red flags. They need to delay his return as long as possible and they won't be able to do that if KP is showing the world that he's ready.

Hopefully he only plays in 20-30 games which would mean sometime towards the end of Feb, beginning of March.


it is just annoying at this point, the vibe around the team and the view from around the league has changed. and now the media has ammo to create a narrative of dysfunction and not everyone on the same page once again
It's not a great look,  
Keith : 11/9/2018 10:05 am : link
but I don't think it's that big of a deal...yet. It concerns me because I question whether KP is on the same page. I understand it, it's his legacy/career at stake. He has to worry about whats best for him and he probably wants to play when he's ready. He doesn't want to sit the whole year.
RE: It's not a great look,  
nygiants16 : 11/9/2018 10:09 am : link
In comment 14169778 Keith said:
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but I don't think it's that big of a deal...yet. It concerns me because I question whether KP is on the same page. I understand it, it's his legacy/career at stake. He has to worry about whats best for him and he probably wants to play when he's ready. He doesn't want to sit the whole year.


I get he wants to play, i have no doubt he is anxious to play. i would be worried if he was not anxious to play..

The Knicks are in a tough spot  
Keith : 11/9/2018 10:12 am : link
because they really don't want him to play, but they have to make it appear as though he's not ready. KP has to understand that. Maybe he does and doesn't care, I don't know.
So will KP get the max extension if he doesn't play this year?  
Anakim : 11/9/2018 10:16 am : link
.
..  
Keith : 11/9/2018 10:16 am : link
absolutely.
Unless there is a setback(which would be disasterous),  
Keith : 11/9/2018 10:18 am : link
I cannot imagine any scenario in which KP sits out for the year. THis is a 6-7 month recovery these days, not 13-14 months.
I get  
Jon in NYC : 11/9/2018 10:26 am : link
the sense that this is Phil Jackson PTSD.

KP needs to unlearn what he has been shown, and not everything said in the press is a veiled attack.
i am also wondering  
nygiants16 : 11/9/2018 10:28 am : link
If Fizdale really doesnt know everything going on with kp and his rehab and letting the trainers handle it..

so maybe as far as fizdale knew kp was not doing a lot more..fizdale did say he is trying not to thi k about kp back and trying to concnentrate on the guys hr has currently..
I would be shocked if Fizdale  
Keith : 11/9/2018 10:31 am : link
wasn't aware of where KP was in the process. Jogging usually happens 3-4 months after surgery. KP had his surgery in Feb. There is no way Fizdale thought KP was only jogging.
NYPOST  
DanMetroMan : 11/9/2018 10:36 am : link
According to a report by The Athletic, seven teams are “monitoring’’ Rozier’s situation because of a perceived view he’s unhappy going back to the bench with Kyrie Irving healthy. Rozier was a standout in leading the Celtics to the Eastern Conference Finals last season after Irving went down with a left knee injury. Rozier is averaging 7.5 points in 22 minutes per game, his playing time down from the 33 minutes per game he logged after Irving was injured last season.

The report stated Celtics general manager Danny Ainge isn’t interested in trading Rozier now and still wants to re-sign him as a free agent. It also stated the Suns as the team most interested.

According to an NBA source, at last season’s trade deadline, the Knicks “were shopping for what they called their own young Terry Rozier.’’

Modal TriggerTerry Rozier
Terry RozierNBAE/Getty Images
Knicks GM Scott Perry went after Elfrid Payton, but wouldn’t give up Frank Ntilikina, and had to settle for Emmanuel Mudiay.
This article is from September  
arniefez : 11/9/2018 11:10 am : link
it explains how the Knicks will handle Porzingis' contract
Knicks will not offer Kristaps Porzingis max contract extension to preserve cap space - ( New Window )
I hope these KP stories are just blown out of proportion by the media.  
JustaDiscussion : 11/9/2018 11:42 am : link
It is however why I would have signed KP to a max deal this off season if I was running the team. I would have rather locked him up to ensure he doesn't pull anything unexpected. I would have just signed him to a similar deal the 76ers did with Embiid with some injury insurances built in. I think keeping KP on board is more important than entering free agency a year earlier. Hopefully I'm just worrying too much and they're able to do both.
RE: lol  
Mike in NJ : 11/9/2018 11:46 am : link
In comment 14169592 DanMetroMan said:
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Ian Begley
ESPN Staff Writer

David Fizdale said Thursday that injured All-Star Kristaps Porzingis was at the stage of light running -- but not sprinting -- in his rehab from an ACL tear. After those comments were published in media reports, Porzingis posted pictures of himself sprinting on Instagram.


Where is Begley getting this from? The most recent post on KPs Instagram is from October 27. Also, how can you tell from a picture whether a guy is lightly running or sprinting?
I heard around the office that Lance Thomas will be out a month  
Anakim : 11/9/2018 11:54 am : link
After undergoing knee surgery
...  
Keith : 11/9/2018 12:23 pm : link
Lance Thomas underwent arthroscopic surgery on his left knee for removal of loose bodies and will be re-evaluated in four weeks.

Thomas started the first five games of the season but had then seen his minutes reduced dramatically as the Knicks committed to playing their youngsters. Over his last five appearances, Thomas averaged just 4.4 points and 1.4 rebounds in 11.1 minutes. He belongs on waivers in all fantasy formats. Kevin Knox is working his way back from an ankle injury, and will soak up the minutes Thomas leaves behind.
Really liking my fanduel  
dep026 : 11/9/2018 12:34 pm : link
lineup tonight. Lot of injuries so theres a lot of value with players.

Point Guard
Tyler Johnson - 4,700. No Wade, Dragic. Should get a lot of burn.
Derrick Rose - 6,000 - Playing a bad defense with Teague out. Riding the hot hand.
Buddy Hield - 7,400. Expecting a high scoring game.
Jimmy Butler - 9,500. All in on this game.
Jeff Green - 3,600 - Boom/Bust player. Low value, most likely will be low score dropped.
Justice Winslow - 5,600. Filling up the box score.
Aaron Gordon - 7,900. My big risk. Not in love with this one. Actually may change to Saric and get an extra 2700. Just have a feeling with him tonight.
Omari Spellman - 4,200 - great value here.
Joel Embiid - 11,000. My big play. 30-15 and a few blocks and assists against Charlotte who has no center.
Fizdale said talked to kp this morning  
nygiants16 : 11/9/2018 12:40 pm : link
he said frustration with perception he is not working hard to come back
RE: Fizdale said talked to kp this morning  
adamg : 11/9/2018 1:30 pm : link
In comment 14170022 nygiants16 said:
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he said frustration with perception he is not working hard to come back
This is my expectation and hope for the situation. Fiz's job is to talk to KP about it and fix things. If he does that there's no story. Actually, the story then is that Fiz has control of his guys and they're able to communicate. I think this story is overblown due to how effective Fiz has been.
RE: ...  
Tesla : 11/9/2018 1:35 pm : link
In comment 14170003 Keith said:
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Lance Thomas underwent arthroscopic surgery on his left knee for removal of loose bodies and will be re-evaluated in four weeks.

Thomas started the first five games of the season but had then seen his minutes reduced dramatically as the Knicks committed to playing their youngsters. Over his last five appearances, Thomas averaged just 4.4 points and 1.4 rebounds in 11.1 minutes. He belongs on waivers in all fantasy formats. Kevin Knox is working his way back from an ankle injury, and will soak up the minutes Thomas leaves behind.


That's really..................such..............a............shame.
Jesus, these guys are thin-skinned  
wigs in nyc : 11/9/2018 1:41 pm : link
the whole world can see it's better for the Knicks if KP milks the return. Noone in their right mind is juding his effort. Sounds like communication between coach and KP could really be improved - how are they not on the same page on this?
I would think  
Keith : 11/9/2018 1:42 pm : link
the KNicks would have to be really careful with how they present this to KP. It would probably be an issue if they told KP that they planned on keeping him on he injured list if he was healthy. They probably can't just come out and say it.
RE: Jesus, these guys are thin-skinned  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/9/2018 2:09 pm : link
In comment 14170094 wigs in nyc said:
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the whole world can see it's better for the Knicks if KP milks the return. Noone in their right mind is juding his effort. Sounds like communication between coach and KP could really be improved - how are they not on the same page on this?

What's good for the Knicks isn't good for the player. It doesn't benefit him at all to milk the return. If he's perceived to be damaged goods, it affects his future earnings. Pretty simple.
RE: I would think  
nygiants16 : 11/9/2018 2:14 pm : link
In comment 14170096 Keith said:
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the KNicks would have to be really careful with how they present this to KP. It would probably be an issue if they told KP that they planned on keeping him on he injured list if he was healthy. They probably can't just come out and say it.


kp was the one who said he was not returning until he was 110 percent...
RE: Fizdale said talked to kp this morning  
PhiPsi125 : 11/9/2018 2:14 pm : link
In comment 14170022 nygiants16 said:
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he said frustration with perception he is not working hard to come back


Is this even a thing? I haven’t seen/heard/read anything negative about KPs rehab process. Where is this “perception” coming from? Thin air?
RE: RE: Fizdale said talked to kp this morning  
adamg : 11/9/2018 2:15 pm : link
In comment 14170127 PhiPsi125 said:
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he said frustration with perception he is not working hard to come back



Is this even a thing? I haven’t seen/heard/read anything negative about KPs rehab process. Where is this “perception” coming from? Thin air?


I agree. This whole thing sounds like a mountain out of a molehill.
RE: I would be shocked if Fizdale  
DanMetroMan : 11/9/2018 2:43 pm : link
In comment 14169826 Keith said:
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wasn't aware of where KP was in the process. Jogging usually happens 3-4 months after surgery. KP had his surgery in Feb. There is no way Fizdale thought KP was only jogging.


Fizdale acknowledged he did NOT know KP was sprinting and also acknowledged the comments made KP respond.
My first reaction is that it's amazing that Fizdale isn't aware  
Keith : 11/9/2018 2:53 pm : link
of where KP is at. Then as I think about it, I guess that's not really important. The HC should be worrying about the guys in the lockerroom, the front office should know where KP is at in his recovery. That being said, common sense should tell you that KP is running and cutting vs jogging. He's 9 months into his 6-7 month recovery!
ALso,  
Keith : 11/9/2018 2:54 pm : link
it's also reasonable to expect Fizdale to play dumb. To my earlier point...the NBA/union would not be happy with the Knicks sitting KP out when healthy so they need to play dumb and pretend like KP isn't ready.
RE: ALso,  
DanMetroMan : 11/9/2018 2:57 pm : link
In comment 14170165 Keith said:
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it's also reasonable to expect Fizdale to play dumb. To my earlier point...the NBA/union would not be happy with the Knicks sitting KP out when healthy so they need to play dumb and pretend like KP isn't ready.


You would think the Knicks would have communicated this "plan" aka playing dumb to KP.
Sounds like a lack of trust  
ghost718 : 11/9/2018 3:02 pm : link
Anything Fizdale says is not gonna change my mind on that
I think KP would benefit  
bceagle05 : 11/9/2018 3:45 pm : link
from expanding his inner circle beyond his brothers. Janis is his brother's keeper at this point, which is nice, but he's not a typical NBA agent who represents players all over the league and has to maintain relationships with all those coaches, GMs and owners. Someone who has that responsibility, and a little more objectivity, might be of assistance when these "troll" moves are being debated over video games at 3 a.m.
i know this year ia about tanking  
nygiants16 : 11/9/2018 8:01 pm : link
but if you could get beal and keep max space next year qould you do it? probably cost you a first and frank at minimum
RE: i know this year ia about tanking  
JustaDiscussion : 11/9/2018 8:47 pm : link
In comment 14170403 nygiants16 said:
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but if you could get beal and keep max space next year qould you do it? probably cost you a first and frank at minimum


I wouldn't, though I admittedly don't know enough about Beal to speak intelligently. He seems to be redundant with what the Knicks already have, but the Knick's players are younger. Also, if I'm not mistaken, Mills and Perry have said that they're not trading young talent or picks, so it seems like they wouldn't either. I hope they stick to their guns.
I love Beal's game and he's young and under contract  
bceagle05 : 11/9/2018 9:15 pm : link
BUT there are enough good shooting guards in this year's draft to sway me toward passing on that trade. That's a tough one though - Beal is one of my favorite players.
RE: i know this year ia about tanking  
adamg : 11/9/2018 9:33 pm : link
In comment 14170403 nygiants16 said:
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but if you could get beal and keep max space next year qould you do it? probably cost you a first and frank at minimum
Beal has to cost more than Frank and a first, no?
RE: RE: i know this year ia about tanking  
nygiants16 : 11/9/2018 10:27 pm : link
In comment 14170448 adamg said:
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but if you could get beal and keep max space next year qould you do it? probably cost you a first and frank at minimum

Beal has to cost more than Frank and a first, no?


hence the part where i said at minimum
RE: i know this year ia about tanking  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/9/2018 10:32 pm : link
In comment 14170403 nygiants16 said:
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but if you could get beal and keep max space next year qould you do it? probably cost you a first and frank at minimum


And do what with Hardaway's contract? The math doesn't work out to have two shooting guards being paid that much. Beal is making 25, 27, 27m the next three seasons. Hardaway another 17, 17, 18.
RE: RE: lol  
steve in ky : 11/9/2018 10:34 pm : link
In comment 14169955 Mike in NJ said:
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Ian Begley
ESPN Staff Writer

David Fizdale said Thursday that injured All-Star Kristaps Porzingis was at the stage of light running -- but not sprinting -- in his rehab from an ACL tear. After those comments were published in media reports, Porzingis posted pictures of himself sprinting on Instagram.




Where is Begley getting this from? The most recent post on KPs Instagram is from October 27. Also, how can you tell from a picture whether a guy is lightly running or sprinting?


Pfft Speed lines
RE: RE: i know this year ia about tanking  
nygiants16 : 11/9/2018 10:44 pm : link
In comment 14170472 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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but if you could get beal and keep max space next year qould you do it? probably cost you a first and frank at minimum



And do what with Hardaway's contract? The math doesn't work out to have two shooting guards being paid that much. Beal is making 25, 27, 27m the next three seasons. Hardaway another 17, 17, 18.


hardaway would have to be involved most likely...

it was just a thought sin e wizards are most likely going to blow it up...

Nets taking care of nuggets  
hitdog42 : 11/9/2018 11:40 pm : link
In Denver
Levert with a game winning bucket essentially at the buzzer.
Back to .500 and 2-0 on the road trip
RE: Nets taking care of nuggets  
nygiants16 : 11/10/2018 7:49 am : link
In comment 14170498 hitdog42 said:
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In Denver
Levert with a game winning bucket essentially at the buzzer.
Back to .500 and 2-0 on the road trip


why do you want them to win? i cant root for losses either but i can see what is best for the knicks and that is adding another high draft pick while kp is out...

Nrts should want the same thing, there is no franchise talent on the nets, levert is a good player and allen is a good player but they are not leading you to a championship...

if the nets are the 8th seed or barely miss the playoffs that is horrible for them..
They are not going to get a top 5 pick  
hitdog42 : 11/10/2018 8:04 am : link
So there is no reason to root for losses
In a perfect world yes they would get that but it’s not happening— play too hard and in a good system with good depth- doesn’t add up to top 5

Defining what those 2 have for upside is a bit silly- given the leap each is taking this year- in particular Allen who is a bit of a freak
Brooks has to be fired within the the next  
dep026 : 11/10/2018 8:05 am : link
few days...

But will Thibs be the next one to go?
RE: They are not going to get a top 5 pick  
nygiants16 : 11/10/2018 8:06 am : link
In comment 14170538 hitdog42 said:
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So there is no reason to root for losses
In a perfect world yes they would get that but it’s not happening— play too hard and in a good system with good depth- doesn’t add up to top 5

Defining what those 2 have for upside is a bit silly- given the leap each is taking this year- in particular Allen who is a bit of a freak


i am not saying root for losses, but i am just saying in the end the best course of action is to lose...
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