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adamg : 11/7/2018 6:58 pm
Starting lineup: Hardaway, Ntilikina, Vonleh, Dotson and Robinson

Glad he's keeping Frank in there.
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I was in the minority saying Knox needs to come off the bench.  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/8/2018 11:09 am : link
Yeah he flashed in Summer League against guys who aren't gonna be even in the league. His preseason he was shaky and his body language wasn't good.

Hopefully it's more rust than anything and getting time on the floor helps him.
I know nobody here is drawing any final conclusions on Knox  
bceagle05 : 11/8/2018 11:15 am : link
but for the sake of conversation, he's appeared in four NBA games - one was his NBA debut (obvious nerves) and another two were spot minutes coming off an injury with no practice time. The one game he played under "normal" circumstances was against Brooklyn, where he scored 17 points and looked good doing it. He's in for a rough night against the Toronto wings, but hopefully he settles in after that.
RE: RE: Knox  
nygiants16 : 11/8/2018 11:19 am : link
In comment 14168853 Anakim said:
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needs to become a better shooter to reach anything close to his NBA potential.



The whole thing was that he had the mechanics and stroke to be able to knock down those shots. I'm farrrrrr from a basketball expert, but I don't really understand that logic. If the shots aren't falling for him when he has a picture-perfect stroke, why would they fall for him in the future?


he knocked down shots in college, what are you talking about?

and like BC said  
nygiants16 : 11/8/2018 11:23 am : link
and the 2 games he has played normal minutes 1 was a great game the other was his first nba game
RE: RE: Knox  
Jon in NYC : 11/8/2018 11:23 am : link
In comment 14168853 Anakim said:
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needs to become a better shooter to reach anything close to his NBA potential.



The whole thing was that he had the mechanics and stroke to be able to knock down those shots. I'm farrrrrr from a basketball expert, but I don't really understand that logic. If the shots aren't falling for him when he has a picture-perfect stroke, why would they fall for him in the future?


Practice. He's been playing a high level of basketball for basically 2 seasons.
Fiz says that Knox wasn't even practicing. He went in for 9 minutes  
Heisenberg : 11/8/2018 11:58 am : link
and Fiz described that as his practice. He's still coming back from the injury
My guess is that Knox turns out to be our third best rookie  
Ira : 11/8/2018 12:30 pm : link
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Frank is averaging 8 ppg and 4 assists pg  
djm : 11/8/2018 1:18 pm : link
Compared to 6 and 3 last year. Virtually the same shooting %...

For what it’s worth...
Not sure why some would conclude that frank sucked last night  
djm : 11/8/2018 1:24 pm : link
50 % from the field. +3 overall. None of the Atlanta guards shot well which he had a hand in.

Then again people also found a way to bash hardaway and his 34 so what do I know.
RE: RE: RE: Knox  
Anakim : 11/8/2018 1:45 pm : link
In comment 14168879 nygiants16 said:
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needs to become a better shooter to reach anything close to his NBA potential.



The whole thing was that he had the mechanics and stroke to be able to knock down those shots. I'm farrrrrr from a basketball expert, but I don't really understand that logic. If the shots aren't falling for him when he has a picture-perfect stroke, why would they fall for him in the future?



he knocked down shots in college, what are you talking about?


No, he didn't. He was a streaky shooter, kind of like what we're seeing now.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Knox  
nygiants16 : 11/8/2018 2:14 pm : link
In comment 14169110 Anakim said:
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needs to become a better shooter to reach anything close to his NBA potential.



The whole thing was that he had the mechanics and stroke to be able to knock down those shots. I'm farrrrrr from a basketball expert, but I don't really understand that logic. If the shots aren't falling for him when he has a picture-perfect stroke, why would they fall for him in the future?



he knocked down shots in college, what are you talking about?




No, he didn't. He was a streaky shooter, kind of like what we're seeing now.


he shot 35 percent from 3 and 50 percent from 2...

that is far from streaky and saying he can not make shots
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Knox  
Anakim : 11/8/2018 4:11 pm : link
In comment 14169173 nygiants16 said:
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needs to become a better shooter to reach anything close to his NBA potential.



The whole thing was that he had the mechanics and stroke to be able to knock down those shots. I'm farrrrrr from a basketball expert, but I don't really understand that logic. If the shots aren't falling for him when he has a picture-perfect stroke, why would they fall for him in the future?



he knocked down shots in college, what are you talking about?




No, he didn't. He was a streaky shooter, kind of like what we're seeing now.



he shot 35 percent from 3 and 50 percent from 2...

that is far from streaky and saying he can not make shots


You keep saying that. 34% from 3 isn't good. It may even be below average. 50% from 2...that's not that great either. Besides, how many of those were field goals?



He's an inconsistent shooter. He's more of a volume scorer than a shooter and I don't think he eclipsed above average TS% last year at Kentucky.
Are we talking college 3% or NBA?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/8/2018 4:42 pm : link
34% doesn't move the needle at all but it's certainly within the realm of possibility that that number goes up with development and that should't take long at all. Kristaps shot 33% as a rookie, and closed out 2017 shooting 39%

The top 100 current career active leaders in NBA 3P%, Curry is at the top at 43%, but he's going to the hall of fame and shouldn't be the standard for anyone.

Dirk is a career 38%
JR Smith .37% (lol)
Hayward .366%
Harden .365%
KP .360%

34% for an 18 year old who was mainly a football player  
Greg from LI : 11/8/2018 4:48 pm : link
until he was 15 or so isn't bad at all. Klay Thompson shot 39% for his college career on 3s.
I'm not saying Knox isn't going to get better  
Anakim : 11/8/2018 5:22 pm : link
I'm just pointing out that right now, he's an inconsistent shooter
Anakim  
XBRONX : 11/8/2018 5:30 pm : link
Knox shot 50% from 2 point range and .775 from the free throw line. What are you talking about?
RE: Anakim  
Anakim : 11/8/2018 5:33 pm : link
In comment 14169337 XBRONX said:
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Knox shot 50% from 2 point range and .775 from the free throw line. What are you talking about?


Thank you, NYGiants11...saying the same thing over and over again doesn't tell me anything.
#16, whatever  
Anakim : 11/8/2018 5:39 pm : link
But the point is I'm not sure how you can't say that Knox wasn't an inconsistent shooter during his time at Kentucky.
Anakim  
XBRONX : 11/8/2018 5:40 pm : link
Just admit your wrong and end it.
RE: Anakim  
Anakim : 11/8/2018 5:44 pm : link
In comment 14169343 XBRONX said:
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Just admit your wrong and end it.


Except I'm not. Knox was an extremely inconsistent shooter at Kentucky (undeniable), 34% from 3 line is average to below average and I'd still like to know how much of that 50% from 2 were drives/lay-ups and how much were actual field goal jumpshots.


So unless you have something to provide that NYGiants16 didn't, I suggest you take a walk.
per Begley on ESPN:  
Del Shofner : 11/8/2018 9:14 pm : link
Emmanuel Mudiay is dealing with an ankle injury but he may play on Saturday against Toronto. Mudiay has averaged 13.5 points and 2.5 assists in the Knicks' past two games. David Fizdale inserted Mudiay as his backup point guard, ahead of Trey Burke during that span. "I think the most important thing that's happened for him is when he got hurt he got a chance to take a step back and watch everything," Fizdale said of Mudiay, who missed the Knicks' first six games with an ankle injury. "And I think he has a really high IQ and sees the floor well so it kind of helped him digest the system and how things work. And took some pressure off him I think as well. I don't know. I think our staff has done a heck of a job developing him and working on his game with him. And obviously I pump a ton of confidence in him. And I do have a lot of confidence in him. And so I've been really been happy with the way he's been performing."
RE: per Begley on ESPN:  
adamg : 11/8/2018 11:24 pm : link
In comment 14169448 Del Shofner said:
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Emmanuel Mudiay is dealing with an ankle injury but he may play on Saturday against Toronto. Mudiay has averaged 13.5 points and 2.5 assists in the Knicks' past two games. David Fizdale inserted Mudiay as his backup point guard, ahead of Trey Burke during that span. "I think the most important thing that's happened for him is when he got hurt he got a chance to take a step back and watch everything," Fizdale said of Mudiay, who missed the Knicks' first six games with an ankle injury. "And I think he has a really high IQ and sees the floor well so it kind of helped him digest the system and how things work. And took some pressure off him I think as well. I don't know. I think our staff has done a heck of a job developing him and working on his game with him. And obviously I pump a ton of confidence in him. And I do have a lot of confidence in him. And so I've been really been happy with the way he's been performing."
Interesting framing of his role as a coach. I don't think Horny talked the same way.
lol  
DanMetroMan : 11/9/2018 7:24 am : link
Ian Begley
ESPN Staff Writer

David Fizdale said Thursday that injured All-Star Kristaps Porzingis was at the stage of light running -- but not sprinting -- in his rehab from an ACL tear. After those comments were published in media reports, Porzingis posted pictures of himself sprinting on Instagram.

RE: lol  
nygiants16 : 11/9/2018 7:26 am : link
In comment 14169592 DanMetroMan said:
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Ian Begley
ESPN Staff Writer

David Fizdale said Thursday that injured All-Star Kristaps Porzingis was at the stage of light running -- but not sprinting -- in his rehab from an ACL tear. After those comments were published in media reports, Porzingis posted pictures of himself sprinting on Instagram.


this is the baby shit from kp i can not stand...
Melo  
DanMetroMan : 11/9/2018 7:33 am : link
20 minutes, -22, 1-11 from the field yikes

-Boston was down 32-13 and came back to beat the awful Suns

-Blazers quietly 9-3

-Bucks crushed Golden State 134-111, held Curry to 10 points
Revenge game for melo  
Keith : 11/9/2018 7:40 am : link
Lol. Went well
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Keith : 11/9/2018 7:41 am : link
In comment 14169593 nygiants16 said:
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Ian Begley
ESPN Staff Writer

David Fizdale said Thursday that injured All-Star Kristaps Porzingis was at the stage of light running -- but not sprinting -- in his rehab from an ACL tear. After those comments were published in media reports, Porzingis posted pictures of himself sprinting on Instagram.




this is the baby shit from kp i can not stand...


They gotta get KP on board. Clearly the knicks want to hold him out as long as possible. KP needs to understand the long term plan.
Melo will go down as  
dep026 : 11/9/2018 7:49 am : link
One of the most overrated players in his generation.
RE: RE: RE: lol  
nygiants16 : 11/9/2018 7:54 am : link
In comment 14169605 Keith said:
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Ian Begley
ESPN Staff Writer

David Fizdale said Thursday that injured All-Star Kristaps Porzingis was at the stage of light running -- but not sprinting -- in his rehab from an ACL tear. After those comments were published in media reports, Porzingis posted pictures of himself sprinting on Instagram.




this is the baby shit from kp i can not stand...



They gotta get KP on board. Clearly the knicks want to hold him out as long as possible. KP needs to understand the long term plan.


Fizdale did not even say anything wrong, he basically said he doesnt want to get ahead of himself woth kp and get excited about having him back..

plus he knew if he said kp was running aprints he would be asked a million questions every day and didnt want to put pressure on kp...

Good quick read  
Oscar : 11/9/2018 8:03 am : link
From the Ringer
Knicks are finally the right kind of bad - ( New Window )
Porzingis got the worst NBA education possible from Anthony  
arniefez : 11/9/2018 8:10 am : link
I hope the Knicks use him to their best advantage even if that means trading him on their terms. This whole franchise player thing from a guy who has accomplished nothing and can't stay healthy is total bullshit.
You got understand though they’re his pride involved.  
Keith : 11/9/2018 8:22 am : link
I assure you KP is way further along than coach wants to admit. The Knicks are in no rush to bring KP back, they are better off the longer he doesn’t play. I’m sure KP doesn’t want to be viewed as a slow healer.
RE: You got understand though they’re his pride involved.  
nygiants16 : 11/9/2018 8:37 am : link
In comment 14169622 Keith said:
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I assure you KP is way further along than coach wants to admit. The Knicks are in no rush to bring KP back, they are better off the longer he doesn’t play. I’m sure KP doesn’t want to be viewed as a slow healer.


KP himself said he was going to take it slow and did not want to ckme back until he is 110%...

I guarantee he saw how well some of the young guys are playing and the style they are playing and is thinking if he is out there they win a few more of these games...

you could see the impatience coming especially when he posted about how much he misses playing...
I have saod this since he blew off exit meeting  
nygiants16 : 11/9/2018 8:41 am : link
he has no outside representation, it is all family in his ear and when that happens they are all going to side with him. No one is going to explain the other side and no one is going to say listen this is probably where they are coming from...

instead he gets the well look they are throwing you under the bus got to take care of yourself.

i bet he got home and someone told him you got to show you are sprinting because this makes you look bad..
RE: RE: lol  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/9/2018 9:16 am : link
In comment 14169593 nygiants16 said:
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Ian Begley
ESPN Staff Writer

David Fizdale said Thursday that injured All-Star Kristaps Porzingis was at the stage of light running -- but not sprinting -- in his rehab from an ACL tear. After those comments were published in media reports, Porzingis posted pictures of himself sprinting on Instagram.




this is the baby shit from kp i can not stand...

I don't really see what the big deal is.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/9/2018 9:18 am : link
Why does it matter?
RE: I don't really see what the big deal is.  
nygiants16 : 11/9/2018 9:27 am : link
In comment 14169664 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Why does it matter?


because it makes it seem like kp didnt like fizdale saying he was not sprinting yet and it makes it seem like him and the front office are not on the same page...

this is the stuff the media runs with...
16, I don't think thats what it is.  
Keith : 11/9/2018 9:33 am : link
First off, we can agree that it's in the Knicks best interest to hold KP out as long as possible. The other kids will get more PT and experience and the Knicks should lose more games thus giving them a better shot at a good pick.

We can also agree that the league and/or players union would not be ok with the Knicks holding KP out when he's healthy to play.

I also believe that KP is way further along in his recovery than Fizdale is letting on, way futher. If the Knicks were competitive, he'd probably be playing in Dec/Jan at the latest, but considering the situation, they are taking in extra slow. The guy was jumping off of a boat 3 months ago. If he's only jogging now, he would have blown his knee up doing that. Ive had 2 ACL reconstructions, I'm speaking from experience.

Therefore, the Knicks don't want people thinking that KP is anywhere close to playing. HOwever, KP doesn't want people thinking that he's soft or a slow healer. That's why I think KP showed that.
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Anakim : 11/9/2018 9:45 am : link
Wasn't KP jumping off boats and swimming within a couple of months of his surgery?
RE: 16, I don't think thats what it is.  
nygiants16 : 11/9/2018 9:50 am : link
In comment 14169696 Keith said:
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First off, we can agree that it's in the Knicks best interest to hold KP out as long as possible. The other kids will get more PT and experience and the Knicks should lose more games thus giving them a better shot at a good pick.

We can also agree that the league and/or players union would not be ok with the Knicks holding KP out when he's healthy to play.

I also believe that KP is way further along in his recovery than Fizdale is letting on, way futher. If the Knicks were competitive, he'd probably be playing in Dec/Jan at the latest, but considering the situation, they are taking in extra slow. The guy was jumping off of a boat 3 months ago. If he's only jogging now, he would have blown his knee up doing that. Ive had 2 ACL reconstructions, I'm speaking from experience.

Therefore, the Knicks don't want people thinking that KP is anywhere close to playing. HOwever, KP doesn't want people thinking that he's soft or a slow healer. That's why I think KP showed that.


i agree with that...

my point was that kp should of went to fiz first and say hey why did you say i am not running yet...

kp loves to make everything out in the open, i would rather that stuff be kept in house..

it makes it seem like they are all not on the same page qhen kp himself said he was going to take it slow
If KP is at a point where he can only jog,  
Keith : 11/9/2018 9:51 am : link
it's because his knee isn't stable enough to do more and the muscles around his knee aren't strong enough yet. If that's the case, I assure you that jumping off the boat like he did was a major risk to his knee. He's so much further along than the Knicks are saying.
16,  
Keith : 11/9/2018 9:54 am : link
I agree. I bet the KNicks don't want KP doing that, it's making them look like liars and sending up red flags. They need to delay his return as long as possible and they won't be able to do that if KP is showing the world that he's ready.

Hopefully he only plays in 20-30 games which would mean sometime towards the end of Feb, beginning of March.
RE: 16,  
nygiants16 : 11/9/2018 10:00 am : link
In comment 14169746 Keith said:
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I agree. I bet the KNicks don't want KP doing that, it's making them look like liars and sending up red flags. They need to delay his return as long as possible and they won't be able to do that if KP is showing the world that he's ready.

Hopefully he only plays in 20-30 games which would mean sometime towards the end of Feb, beginning of March.


it is just annoying at this point, the vibe around the team and the view from around the league has changed. and now the media has ammo to create a narrative of dysfunction and not everyone on the same page once again
It's not a great look,  
Keith : 11/9/2018 10:05 am : link
but I don't think it's that big of a deal...yet. It concerns me because I question whether KP is on the same page. I understand it, it's his legacy/career at stake. He has to worry about whats best for him and he probably wants to play when he's ready. He doesn't want to sit the whole year.
RE: It's not a great look,  
nygiants16 : 11/9/2018 10:09 am : link
In comment 14169778 Keith said:
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but I don't think it's that big of a deal...yet. It concerns me because I question whether KP is on the same page. I understand it, it's his legacy/career at stake. He has to worry about whats best for him and he probably wants to play when he's ready. He doesn't want to sit the whole year.


I get he wants to play, i have no doubt he is anxious to play. i would be worried if he was not anxious to play..

The Knicks are in a tough spot  
Keith : 11/9/2018 10:12 am : link
because they really don't want him to play, but they have to make it appear as though he's not ready. KP has to understand that. Maybe he does and doesn't care, I don't know.
So will KP get the max extension if he doesn't play this year?  
Anakim : 11/9/2018 10:16 am : link
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..  
Keith : 11/9/2018 10:16 am : link
absolutely.
Unless there is a setback(which would be disasterous),  
Keith : 11/9/2018 10:18 am : link
I cannot imagine any scenario in which KP sits out for the year. THis is a 6-7 month recovery these days, not 13-14 months.
I get  
Jon in NYC : 11/9/2018 10:26 am : link
the sense that this is Phil Jackson PTSD.

KP needs to unlearn what he has been shown, and not everything said in the press is a veiled attack.
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