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NFT: Goodfellas question

B in ALB : 11/8/2018 6:42 am
Towards the end when Jimmy offers Karen the Dior dresses - were those guys going to kill her or beat her up/rape her? Or was she spooked for no reason?
Kill her  
redwhiteandbigblue : 11/8/2018 6:44 am : link
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christian : 11/8/2018 6:55 am : link
I always thought Jimmy was setting her up to be killed.
Yes, the implication is that she would be killed  
Greg from LI : 11/8/2018 6:56 am : link
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I'd say it was purposely shot to  
MBavaro : 11/8/2018 7:09 am : link
be ambiguous. It looks like the guys in the building are just doing work of some type, and their reaction to seeing her in the doorway is one of,"who is this woman and why is she standing there?". They just kind of stop and stare at her.

So you could take it both ways, either Jimmy's desire to clean up loose ends/intimidate Henry, or, Karen's growing paranoia.
In the next scene  
B in ALB : 11/8/2018 7:14 am : link
Henry talks about how the people who are going to kill you come with smiles. That, to me, implied that Jimmy was going to have her wacked.
In the book Wiseguy  
holmancomedown : 11/8/2018 7:33 am : link
Karen said she was just a little spooked by the whole thing but didn't think much of it.
RE: In the book Wiseguy  
B in ALB : 11/8/2018 7:36 am : link
In comment 14168605 holmancomedown said:
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Karen said she was just a little spooked by the whole thing but didn't think much of it.


Great point. I read the book over 20 years ago and couldn't recall that part.
I thought it was intimidation...  
x meadowlander : 11/8/2018 7:59 am : link
...he couldn't have believed she would walk right in there. I felt like he was judging her response.

Of course, I may have over thought it.

Here's an error nobody could notice - truck hijack scene is an actual old Beacon Fast Freight truck. Error is that the logo on the box wasn't used by Beacon until about 1980.

My Dad drove for them.
kill her  
I Love Clams Casino : 11/8/2018 8:01 am : link
Jimmy looks backwards to see if anybody else is around....

Made sense to kill her, weakest link in the chain
I always thought it was done...  
Chris in Philly : 11/8/2018 8:11 am : link
more to show her fear and paranoia than his ill intentions...
Or what MBavaro...  
Chris in Philly : 11/8/2018 8:11 am : link
said.
In real life  
Beer Man : 11/8/2018 8:12 am : link
she was rumored to be having an affair with Paul while Henry was in prison
He could of killed her  
Dankbeerman : 11/8/2018 8:31 am : link
easy. my feeling was that to Jimmy if she was spooked she had a reason to be and thats the confirmation he needed to make a move on his friend.
RE: In real life  
mfsd : 11/8/2018 8:38 am : link
In comment 14168626 Beer Man said:
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she was rumored to be having an affair with Paul while Henry was in prison


Pretty sure thatís been accepted as fact. Any one of several sites telling the true story talks about that.

Iíve always found it interesting that rumor has it John Gotti and his crew were the ones who whacked Tommy in the infamous scene where he thought he was going to be made.

Now, Iím pretty sure that rumor comes from Henry Hill, so who really knows, but apparently Gotti and Billy Batts were friends, thus Gotti and his crew being the ones to take revenge
I also think  
Pete in MD : 11/8/2018 8:45 am : link
the scene was shot in a way to be ambiguous. Sheís obviously scared but it didnít seem like the workers in the warehouse were waiting to kill her.
On the ambiguous side for me,  
Beezer : 11/8/2018 9:49 am : link
but Jimmy says he has the dresses in a store, and when you see the "store," it's not a store at all, but a ramshackle abandoned looking place.

The two guys are not expecting her at all. They see her in her leather skirt and jacket and perk up.

My thought was always that Jimmy didn't have anything planned there. He was being watched closely by the feds so he needed separation from anything that might happen to Karen or Henry. Perhaps he knew the guys down there were scumbags and would do Karen some level of harm, in a sense sending his message without him having worked to send it.

Yeah yeah, just ... go in there Karen. Then he'd walk away and the guys in there would ... whatever.
Jimmy wasn't going to whack Karen while Henry....  
MOOPS : 11/8/2018 9:52 am : link
was still out on the street. Just Karen's paranoia.
RE: Jimmy wasn't going to whack Karen while Henry....  
Howyadoin : 11/8/2018 12:17 pm : link
In comment 14168740 MOOPS said:
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was still out on the street. Just Karen's paranoia.

I agree
RE: I'd say it was purposely shot to  
Mike from SI : 11/8/2018 12:37 pm : link
In comment 14168594 MBavaro said:
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be ambiguous. It looks like the guys in the building are just doing work of some type, and their reaction to seeing her in the doorway is one of,"who is this woman and why is she standing there?". They just kind of stop and stare at her.

So you could take it both ways, either Jimmy's desire to clean up loose ends/intimidate Henry, or, Karen's growing paranoia.


Completely agree! The viewer is not meant to know for sure.
it IS ambiguous  
Greg from LI : 11/8/2018 12:40 pm : link
But Jimmy's reaction, the way he keeps standing there staring down the street, clearly is meant to give you the impression that she had good reason to be afraid, IMO
Interesting opinions  
Jim Bur(n)t : 11/8/2018 12:40 pm : link
Now go home and get your fuking shinebox!!!!
I never bought it that jimmy was trying to have her killed  
djm : 11/8/2018 1:04 pm : link
Only because it was such a piss poor attempt and they never tried again?

If they wanted Karen dead Iíd think jimmy would have come up with something a little less transparent and he would not have quit after one attempt. But who knows...

Now I have to turn my back on ya...
If Jimmy wanted to whack Karen  
Ron from Ninerland : 11/8/2018 1:27 pm : link
He would have whacked Karen.
Between Goodfellas  
Pete in MD : 11/8/2018 1:39 pm : link
and Plankton's wife, Karens get yelled-at a lot on tv.
"Ya nat goin out tanight!  
B in ALB : 11/8/2018 2:37 pm : link
Nat without ya keys ya nat!"
To me it seemed like she was going to be killed  
EricJ : 11/8/2018 3:17 pm : link
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RE: To me it seemed like she was going to be killed  
short lease : 11/8/2018 4:35 pm : link
In comment 14169239 EricJ said:
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Yeah .... me to. But, I think it is one of those questions that only Scorsese knows the answer to. Kind of like the ending of the Sopranos ... was Tony hit or not?

It is one of those water cooler topics ... that will be (could be) argued forever.
She was going to get whacked  
Jimmy Googs : 11/9/2018 5:01 pm : link
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Donít put too many onions in the sauce  
djm : 11/9/2018 5:19 pm : link
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I find a nice girl almost every night Maí  
Jimmy Googs : 11/9/2018 6:03 pm : link
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One dog goes this way, the other dog goes the other way  
Greg from LI : 11/9/2018 10:46 pm : link
And this guy's saying "Whaddya want from me? "
Nah ya insulted him a little bit...  
bceagle05 : 11/9/2018 10:54 pm : link
Ya got a little outta order yourself...
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