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Why does Antonio Brown not get the same negative attention

bhill410 : 11/8/2018 2:03 pm
As Odell? If within the last three month Odell threw furniture out of a high rise condo window almost hitting a little kid, called the cops over his car being stolen and then slammed door in their face when they showed up, had multiple tantrums on sideline when not having it thrown to him and got cited for driving over 100mph this place would be in meltdown mode. These are isolated incidents with Brown either, he has been a much bigger malcontent than Odell but never gets criticized nationally for it. Blows my mind.
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Hanging on to a cheap shot  
UConn4523 : 11/9/2018 9:13 am : link
from 3 years ago is nothing more than a massive stretch. Thereís cheap shots all over football. Doesnít excuse them but itís true. Said cheapshot was a response to previous cheapshots (again it doesnít make it right but Iím using the scenario and context).

Beckham isnít in the spotlight because of a cheap shot on a dirty player from 3 years ago. If you believe that Iíve got a bridge to sell you.
JuJu delivered a cheapshot to  
UConn4523 : 11/9/2018 9:14 am : link
the dirtiest player in the NFL last year and no one cared.
RE: Hanging on to a cheap shot  
dep026 : 11/9/2018 9:25 am : link
In comment 14169656 UConn4523 said:
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from 3 years ago is nothing more than a massive stretch. Thereís cheap shots all over football. Doesnít excuse them but itís true. Said cheapshot was a response to previous cheapshots (again it doesnít make it right but Iím using the scenario and context).

Beckham isnít in the spotlight because of a cheap shot on a dirty player from 3 years ago. If you believe that Iíve got a bridge to sell you.


But it is something that did happen. And he was very lucky he didnt permanently hurt Norman.

I dont give a flying fuck who he did it too. You run full speed and launch your helmet to someones chin when they arent looking.... thats a scumbag move.
Yeah it was a bad day for him  
UConn4523 : 11/9/2018 9:27 am : link
and itís now 3 years later. And my point remains, why does no one care about JuJus hit less than a season ago in comparison.

You have a very odd take on this.
Those of you having the same old Beckham argument  
Chris684 : 11/9/2018 9:29 am : link
What do you hope to gain? Validation that Beckham is somehow picked on and made an example of?

Has it ever occurred to you that while maybe, and thankfully, he hasn't killed granny and kicked a baby, in many other ways he's just not that likable a guy?

It's always some other excuse. The media hates him, he's mad about all the losing, he needs time to mature.

Beckham is a very good, yet not very likable player who has done a lot of stupid shit on and off the football field but thankfully nothing so far that is criminal or violent. What else is there to say?
RE: Did Brown purpsoely throw  
ron mexico : 11/9/2018 9:29 am : link
In comment 14169651 dep026 said:
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the furniture out to hit the child? No.

OBJ purposely tried to physically injure a guy with a cheapshot move.


do you really think OBJ's cheap shot is worse than recklessly endangering the life of a 14 month old kid?

holy shit
RE: Yeah it was a bad day for him  
dep026 : 11/9/2018 9:30 am : link
In comment 14169681 UConn4523 said:
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and itís now 3 years later. And my point remains, why does no one care about JuJus hit less than a season ago in comparison.

You have a very odd take on this.


Cause we are talking about OBJ's rep. Bringing up shit he has done in the past is the reason for it.
And you havenít answered my question, conveniently  
UConn4523 : 11/9/2018 9:33 am : link
how come a more recent and arguably bigger cheap shot isnít talked about but Beckhamís is?
RE: And you havenít answered my question, conveniently  
dep026 : 11/9/2018 9:37 am : link
In comment 14169697 UConn4523 said:
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how come a more recent and arguably bigger cheap shot isnít talked about but Beckhamís is?


a Bigger cheap shot? Now you are just being ridiculous. He lowered his shoulder while blockign during the play. OBJ speared a guy in the chin running full speed to do it.

Wow.
Other than the Carolina game a long time ago,  
Keith : 11/9/2018 9:38 am : link
what has OBJ done that was so stupid on the field? I think OBJ is a great deflection from the real issue.
OK, then maybe  
Keith : 11/9/2018 9:39 am : link
a better example here is Gronk. Why isn't Gronk looked at the same?
RE: OK, then maybe  
dep026 : 11/9/2018 9:41 am : link
In comment 14169717 Keith said:
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a better example here is Gronk. Why isn't Gronk looked at the same?


Gronk takes a lot of shit and he did with his actions against Buffalo last year. He may not take as much as OBJ, but that dickhead move he had last year was a black eye for him.
why do you keep saying chin  
ron mexico : 11/9/2018 9:41 am : link
as if Norman wasn't wearing a helmet? (BTW he earholed him not that that is any safer)

By the way, that viscous and criminal hit failed to even knock Norman off his feet.


RE: why do you keep saying chin  
dep026 : 11/9/2018 9:44 am : link
In comment 14169724 ron mexico said:
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as if Norman wasn't wearing a helmet? (BTW he earholed him not that that is any safer)

By the way, that viscous and criminal hit failed to even knock Norman off his feet.



Not for a lack of effort.
RE: RE: OK, then maybe  
Keith : 11/9/2018 9:48 am : link
In comment 14169722 dep026 said:
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a better example here is Gronk. Why isn't Gronk looked at the same?



Gronk takes a lot of shit and he did with his actions against Buffalo last year. He may not take as much as OBJ, but that dickhead move he had last year was a black eye for him.


Stop. You are still referencing something from 3 years ago. People stopped talking about Gronk a week later. The reality is that Gronk is on a winning team. OBJ gets blamed by a certain group of fans that defend others.
Keith you're comparing  
Chris684 : 11/9/2018 9:54 am : link
media headlines (in Gronk's case) vs. message board discussion from dyed in the wool Giants fans.

You act as if Beckham's spearing of Norman is still the lead story on NFL Live.
RE: RE: RE: OK, then maybe  
ron mexico : 11/9/2018 9:55 am : link
In comment 14169739 Keith said:
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a better example here is Gronk. Why isn't Gronk looked at the same?



Gronk takes a lot of shit and he did with his actions against Buffalo last year. He may not take as much as OBJ, but that dickhead move he had last year was a black eye for him.



Stop. You are still referencing something from 3 years ago. People stopped talking about Gronk a week later. The reality is that Gronk is on a winning team. OBJ gets blamed by a certain group of fans that defend others.


I'd like to see a ven diagram of Eli OBJ haters and Eli apologists.
RE: Keith you're comparing  
ron mexico : 11/9/2018 9:56 am : link
In comment 14169749 Chris684 said:
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media headlines (in Gronk's case) vs. message board discussion from dyed in the wool Giants fans.

You act as if Beckham's spearing of Norman is still the lead story on NFL Live.


Do you think the Pats board still brings up the Gronk hit?

RE: RE: RE: RE: OK, then maybe  
dep026 : 11/9/2018 9:56 am : link
In comment 14169751 ron mexico said:
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I'd like to see a ven diagram of Eli OBJ haters and Eli apologists.


lol. And BBI has reached a new low.
RE: RE: And you havenít answered my question, conveniently  
UConn4523 : 11/9/2018 9:57 am : link
In comment 14169707 dep026 said:
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how come a more recent and arguably bigger cheap shot isnít talked about but Beckhamís is?



a Bigger cheap shot? Now you are just being ridiculous. He lowered his shoulder while blockign during the play. OBJ speared a guy in the chin running full speed to do it.

Wow.


The only one being ridiculous is you. Both were cheap shots, people only care about the one that was from 3 years ago, why is that? How many other cheap shots in the nfl happen weekly that are forgotten about a week later?

Need a longer shovel?
RE: RE: Keith you're comparing  
dep026 : 11/9/2018 9:57 am : link
In comment 14169753 ron mexico said:
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media headlines (in Gronk's case) vs. message board discussion from dyed in the wool Giants fans.

You act as if Beckham's spearing of Norman is still the lead story on NFL Live.



Do you think the Pats board still brings up the Gronk hit?


If they are talking about cheapshots and shit like that... yes I am sure they do. Because thats what we are talking about here. Not about OBJ's game or impact.

Its a negative attention thread so we are going to bring up things OBJ did that were NEGATIVE!!!!!
Uconn  
dep026 : 11/9/2018 9:59 am : link
if you think both plays are even remotely similar then you are just not being objective. Shit one play was while the play was going on, the other was when the play was over.

Oh why bother...
RE: RE: RE: RE: OK, then maybe  
Keith : 11/9/2018 9:59 am : link
In comment 14169751 ron mexico said:
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a better example here is Gronk. Why isn't Gronk looked at the same?



Gronk takes a lot of shit and he did with his actions against Buffalo last year. He may not take as much as OBJ, but that dickhead move he had last year was a black eye for him.



Stop. You are still referencing something from 3 years ago. People stopped talking about Gronk a week later. The reality is that Gronk is on a winning team. OBJ gets blamed by a certain group of fans that defend others.



I'd like to see a ven diagram of Eli OBJ haters and Eli apologists.


lol, pretty sure it would just be one big circle.
Absolutely zero people  
UConn4523 : 11/9/2018 9:59 am : link
care or talk about the Gronk hit. When he retires it will never come up as a black eye, Jesus Christ.

Players have bad moments. It happens. They play a violent game and run in emotions. Be mad at players with a bad history of it (Burfict, Roy Williams, Dawkins).
RE: Uconn  
UConn4523 : 11/9/2018 10:01 am : link
In comment 14169761 dep026 said:
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if you think both plays are even remotely similar then you are just not being objective. Shit one play was while the play was going on, the other was when the play was over.

Oh why bother...


You are one of the most unobjective people on this board. You are harping on a comparison of dirty hits to keep from answering the real questions that you so often avoid.

This is bizarre.
Time to move on from this convo  
dep026 : 11/9/2018 10:04 am : link
what a disaster.

All I know is both Gronk and OBJ were both suspended for their dirty hits because they were both scumbag moves. And no one really talks about either of the dirty hits anymore unless we are talking about cheapshots and negative attention like we are doing in this thread.
dep,  
Keith : 11/9/2018 10:07 am : link
I'm pretty sure someone mentioned Eli's name on a thread...good luck!
Hahahaha  
UConn4523 : 11/9/2018 10:13 am : link
amazing
RE: Hahahaha  
dep026 : 11/9/2018 10:14 am : link
In comment 14169797 UConn4523 said:
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amazing


Yes it is.
RE: Ray Rice was also not good anymore  
EricJ : 11/9/2018 10:22 am : link
In comment 14169646 UConn4523 said:
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his situation is more akin to Kaeperbick where the 2 players, while still able to play, wouldnít be good enough to justify the trouble.


I have to disagree with you on the idea that he was out of the league because he was not good anymore. The guy was the starting RB for the Ravens and was suspended over this incident after the video got out and before any court appearance. He was tried in the court of public opinion and the NFL made an example of him and started the domestic violence campaign. Again... without the video his girlfriend/wife probably never goes to the police and we never even know about this. Even if she does go to the police he gets suspended and then comes back after that suspension is over. People were outraged after seeing him knock her out and then drag her out of the elevator.

I will never argue with you that when that happened Ray had taken a step back as far as his effectiveness on the field. Without that video, at minimum he returns as a backup RB. I have no doubt about that.
Eric, that's not what he said though.  
Keith : 11/9/2018 10:32 am : link
He said Ray Rice wasn't good enough to justify the backlash and media storm that he would have created. Ray Rice was still good at football, just not good enough to deal with the sideshow and I agree with Uconn.
Iíve been saying the same fucking thing over and over and over  
djm : 11/9/2018 10:36 am : link
Listen up! When the team wins, NO ONE gives a fuck how weird or diva like or annoying the star WRs are. No one!! When the team loses, you could have a bunch of sweethearts at wr like the giants did in the mid 90s. Didnít matter that Chris Calloway was a nice, quiet guy did it?

I talked my friend out of stupidity last night when he wanted to bet against the Steelers because in his words, ď the Steelers are a dysfunctional mess and brown is always getting in trouble.Ē

Sure they are. And they are 6 and fucking 2.

I have tons and tons of evidence. Tons of proof. The only people distracted from wr diva behavior are the fans and sports writers. Fact!
Yeah that isnít what I said  
UConn4523 : 11/9/2018 10:37 am : link
His last season featured a 3.1 YPC and 4 TDS. Basically horrible. He compiled almost 2500 attempts in 9 seasons between college and the NFL and looked finished. Then the domestic abuse happened. Look no further than Adrian Peterson who still had plenty left in the tank after beating his child. He has a job still and that was what, 5+ years ago?
RE: RE: RE: And you havenít answered my question, conveniently  
montanagiant : 11/9/2018 10:46 am : link
In comment 14169758 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 14169697 UConn4523 said:


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how come a more recent and arguably bigger cheap shot isnít talked about but Beckhamís is?



a Bigger cheap shot? Now you are just being ridiculous. He lowered his shoulder while blockign during the play. OBJ speared a guy in the chin running full speed to do it.

Wow.



The only one being ridiculous is you. Both were cheap shots, people only care about the one that was from 3 years ago, why is that? How many other cheap shots in the nfl happen weekly that are forgotten about a week later?

Need a longer shovel?

The crap with Norman gets brought up because it was the start of some odd OBJ actions during games and off the field.
1)The Norman deal
2) Kicking net hitting him in the face after he punched it
3) Proposing to the net
4) Pissing like a dog as a TD celebration
5) The Boat trip
6) Filming himself shirtless in freezing weather in response to the boat trip and then stinking up the place during the ensuing playoff game
7) Trip to Paris being filmed eating pizza with some skank doing blow
8) Bagging on his team and teammates in an ESPN interview
9) leaving games early prior to halftime
10) Headbutting a cooling fan to the point that a rookie has to come over to calm him down.

It's not just the Norman fight, it's a pattern of selfish destructive acts that are detrimental to the team. Just when it seems he's matured he does something else that gets everything rehashed over and over again. In a media market like NY he's gold for them. The other thing to remember is that OBJ created a brand over himself. It was a savvy move and has made him extremely popular with a younger crowd but at the same time it brings more scrutiny than most NFL players
Good job with the list,  
Keith : 11/9/2018 10:51 am : link
you did double up a bit, but a list with 10 awesome things looks much better. Curious though, other than the playoff performance, how was anything else detrimental to the team?
No offense..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/9/2018 10:51 am : link
but at what other time in NFL history has a bat been wielded on a football field??

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Fans who actually believe the panthers were going to hit with him a bat before the game in the middle of the field make me wonder sometimes...


I don't know if the Panthers were going to hit him with a bat, but the mere fact he was threatened with a bat by a practice squad player, nonetheless, puts some context behind the emotion of the game and the eventual dirty plays
RE: No offense..  
dep026 : 11/9/2018 10:54 am : link
In comment 14169862 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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but at what other time in NFL history has a bat been wielded on a football field??



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Fans who actually believe the panthers were going to hit with him a bat before the game in the middle of the field make me wonder sometimes...



I don't know if the Panthers were going to hit him with a bat, but the mere fact he was threatened with a bat by a practice squad player, nonetheless, puts some context behind the emotion of the game and the eventual dirty plays


yeah I am not condoning what the Panthers did. And it was wrong and stupid of it. But do fans really believe they were going to use it on OBJ?
RE: Good job with the list,  
dep026 : 11/9/2018 10:56 am : link
In comment 14169860 Keith said:
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you did double up a bit, but a list with 10 awesome things looks much better. Curious though, other than the playoff performance, how was anything else detrimental to the team?


The Norman thing got him suspended. And he he got flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct for pissing like a dog and slapping xavier Rhodes in the face on a play (not saying it was a huge detriment or something that doesnt happen) Just things he got flagged for,
RE: Yeah that isnít what I said  
EricJ : 11/9/2018 10:58 am : link
In comment 14169840 UConn4523 said:
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His last season featured a 3.1 YPC and 4 TDS. Basically horrible. He compiled almost 2500 attempts in 9 seasons between college and the NFL and looked finished. Then the domestic abuse happened. Look no further than Adrian Peterson who still had plenty left in the tank after beating his child. He has a job still and that was what, 5+ years ago?


I understand what you mean now
RE: RE: Good job with the list,  
Keith : 11/9/2018 11:02 am : link
In comment 14169872 dep026 said:
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you did double up a bit, but a list with 10 awesome things looks much better. Curious though, other than the playoff performance, how was anything else detrimental to the team?



The Norman thing got him suspended. And he he got flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct for pissing like a dog and slapping xavier Rhodes in the face on a play (not saying it was a huge detriment or something that doesnt happen) Just things he got flagged for,


Gotcha. So now anyone that gets a flag is a detriment to the team, got it. BS. The Norman thing, detriment, until he scored a TD and got us right back in the game. Outside the Carolina thing, OBJ has never done anything other than bust his ass between the lines and help us win games. Thats it. All the other nonsense is an opportunity to deflect.
RE: Good job with the list,  
montanagiant : 11/9/2018 11:03 am : link
In comment 14169860 Keith said:
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you did double up a bit, but a list with 10 awesome things looks much better. Curious though, other than the playoff performance, how was anything else detrimental to the team?

You don't think leaving the field early, bagging on the team and teammates, spearing Norman is not detrimental to the team?
lol  
dep026 : 11/9/2018 11:03 am : link
...
Yes,  
Keith : 11/9/2018 11:06 am : link
him leaving with 1 second on the clock to get an IV was detrimental to the team. Def why they lost.

Are you suggesting that him telling ESPN that Eli won't throw the ball deep(true) was detrimental? So it effected Eli and made him play worse? Its funny, our offense actually looked competent for parts after that.
RE: Yes,  
montanagiant : 11/9/2018 11:14 am : link
In comment 14169893 Keith said:
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him leaving with 1 second on the clock to get an IV was detrimental to the team. Def why they lost.

Are you suggesting that him telling ESPN that Eli won't throw the ball deep(true) was detrimental? So it effected Eli and made him play worse? Its funny, our offense actually looked competent for parts after that.


Ok, now you're just floundering here. I never said it cost them a game I said it was detrimental to the team and from the rest of your response I can only assume you have zero clue how a team works and interacts together.

Having your best player imply he doesn't want to be here and then dog one of the other best players on a team is just about the definition of being detrimental to a "Team".

Now if your response is going to be another one where you put words in my mouth don't waste my time
So you post nonesense daily wasting everyones time is ok,  
Keith : 11/9/2018 11:19 am : link
but I can't waste your time once? Seems unfair. Kinda like your list.
LOL  
montanagiant : 11/9/2018 11:22 am : link
Holy shit are you a child...
No Im not,  
Keith : 11/9/2018 11:24 am : link
Im a big boy.
Guarantees in life  
figgy2989 : 11/9/2018 11:37 am : link
Death, taxes, dep/Britt defending Eli, and Keith/UConn showing up on any thread related to Beckham.
RE: Guarantees in life  
UConn4523 : 11/9/2018 11:41 am : link
In comment 14169933 figgy2989 said:
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Death, taxes, dep/Britt defending Eli, and Keith/UConn showing up on any thread related to Beckham.


Iím really not even defending Beckhamís actions. The OP had a question and if you notice, I wasnít involved at all (and havenít been on Beckham threads in a while) until it was claimed that itís because of a dirty hit. Thereís dirty hits weekly so Iím scratching my head as to why that would be the reason why he gets negative attention.

Not my fault some people canít get out of their own way.
RE: Guarantees in life  
Keith : 11/9/2018 12:12 pm : link
In comment 14169933 figgy2989 said:
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Death, taxes, dep/Britt defending Eli, and Keith/UConn showing up on any thread related to Beckham.


really, im the dep/britt equivalent for OBJ?? Oy vey.

Regardless, the dude is one of the best skill position players in the NFL and he gets treated like he's some JAG that gets arrested all the time, so I guess I'll continue to defend until the Giants fix the rest of the problems and we win again.
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