As Odell? If within the last three month Odell threw furniture out of a high rise condo window almost hitting a little kid, called the cops over his car being stolen and then slammed door in their face when they showed up, had multiple tantrums on sideline when not having it thrown to him and got cited for driving over 100mph this place would be in meltdown mode. These are isolated incidents with Brown either, he has been a much bigger malcontent than Odell but never gets criticized nationally for it. Blows my mind.
2. OBJ gets caught in the crossfire when Giants fans defend Eli.
3. He's not quite as excentric as Odell.
Also the Steelers are winning (compared to the Giants)
The point OP is trying to make is Brown has done a laundry list of things quite worse.
AJ Green did.
Sure he got heat over the boat deal but mainly because he played like shit the next day. Also, the coke in the hotel room with that chic died out pretty quickly in comparison to the kicking net incident.
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Because of the Carolina game. That game put the asshole-OBJ on full display and it didn't go away. AB didn't have a game like that.
The point OP is trying to make is Brown has done a laundry list of things quite worse.
They are much worse but I think the point is that what OBJ catches the most shit about is what he does on National tv. Also just as it starts to let up on him he goes and does something stupid again (peeing like a dog) on TV which allows the talking heads to review all the other stuff from the past
People who defend Beckham constantly feel the need to compare his actions to other morons across the league, when the simple answer is, those other guys are morons too.
Is Antonio Brown a bigger idiot then Beckham? Yes. Maybe people around here don't say it as much because they're not Pittsburgh Steelers fans? Just a hunch.
Brown is a better player. Better receiver, much better punt returner as we've found out this year.
I don't know man. This is the first I'm hearing about this vase incident. I highly doubt that's the case if it was OBJ
Or why any premiere MLB FA struggles so often in NYC.
I get the Burgh vs NY to a point. The fact that if this were OBJ it would be a ESPN headline and free for all from the loud mouths on their shows. Yet it will be a blip on ESPN’s radar is a disconnect for me. Again the Burgh news ouylets are tame in comparison so that delta is understandable. But ESPN would blow this story up if it were OBJ and probabynot so much for AB.
And most people(outside of football fans) dont have a clue who Antonio brown is but those same people know who Odell is
The meltdown with the net and also the spearing with his helmet incident when he basically lost his mind fighting with Josh Norman for the entire game.
The fact that AB doesn't get scrutinized as much has very little to do with the fact that he isn't in New York. Not any more. I'm not sure what the reason is......
Their demeanor and personality traits are very similar, but I think Odell is actually much smarter in the way he carries himself (more class)
It is crazy how Antonio doesn't get nearly as much negative attention as Odell. I will never begin to understand or even try to understand blatant double standards.
Also the Steelers are winning (compared to the Giants)
This is an interesting dynamic.. Desean Jackson, Pacman Jones, Asante Samuel, Aquib Talib etc.
Yeah you're fine.
Odell dances and takes out anger on inanimate objects sometimes.. crucify him!
That is why he gets minimal negative attention. End of answer.
Is that fair? Probably not. But it's what it is.
If the Giants over the last 5 years were a perennial playoff team, the Odell "stuff" would not be much of an issue.
But when the team is 6-10? 3-13? 1-7? The focus changes on every little thing that may contribute to the team losing regardless of whether it's true or not.
In the last 13 games Odell has started, the Giants are 1-12 with the "drama" (if you want to call it that).
They will never be treated on equal footing on this extra stuff as long as one guy is on a playoff team and the other is on a team picking annually top 10 in the draft.
someday...
This guy threw a furniture out a window that almost hit a toddler. Thats way way worse.
Wheras Brown has actively done the team and coach-sabotaging things people try to pin on Beckham, with legal run ins thrown in for good measure.
It wasn't like it was some random Joe he decided to go after, it was a player who had body-slammed him and was in his face all game long
It wasn't like it was some random Joe he decided to go after, it was a player who had body-slammed him and was in his face all game long
Josh Norman is a scum bag. But there could have been some serious damage if OBJ connected fully. I don’t mind going after a player but that was a scumbag move by OBJ. If roles were reversed and Norman did that to OBJ... the reaction here would be quite different.
The NY media is very different than the PIT media.
It wasn't like it was some random Joe he decided to go after, it was a player who had body-slammed him and was in his face all game long
Not to mention a few Panthers players threatened Beckham during warmups.
I mean, really?
It's that more than anything else.
In Pittsburgh and other markets, the media IDOLIZES their one successful sports team. Instead of getting in their face and testing their durability, the media picks them up and celebrates them.
I mean, really?
OMFG he is guilty of ordering bad pizza!!! He makes enough to buy Italy. CUT HIM!!!
Get over yourself. If that's the worst choice he makes then I say good. He's a great football player, loves his teammates and they love him and most of all he wants to win badly. He has never ever just mailed it in no matter what the score. The guy always gives 150% and those are the type of players this team needs. So what if he has a billion tattoos, freaky hair and an earing the guy always comes to play
You just described every national media outlet. This is no longer a NY phenomenon. And all of the recent OBJ drama I've seen, I found it on Foxsports, CBS sports, ESPN, Yahoo Sports, Barstool, etc......
These national outlets have no elegance to any one local team.
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Ordering fucking Dominoes and posting it online.
I mean, really?
OMFG he is guilty of ordering bad pizza!!! He makes enough to buy Italy. CUT HIM!!!
Get over yourself. If that's the worst choice he makes then I say good. He's a great football player, loves his teammates and they love him and most of all he wants to win badly. He has never ever just mailed it in no matter what the score. The guy always gives 150% and those are the type of players this team needs. So what if he has a billion tattoos, freaky hair and an earing the guy always comes to play
Lol... umm. Sarcasm meter off?
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speared Josh Norman.
It wasn't like it was some random Joe he decided to go after, it was a player who had body-slammed him and was in his face all game long
Josh Norman is a scum bag. But there could have been some serious damage if OBJ connected fully. I don’t mind going after a player but that was a scumbag move by OBJ. If roles were reversed and Norman did that to OBJ... the reaction here would be quite different.
Norman brought that on himself, him and his buddy should've been ejected before the game even started.
Only thing regretabble about that hit is that it didn't end Normans career. Fuck him.
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speared Josh Norman.
It wasn't like it was some random Joe he decided to go after, it was a player who had body-slammed him and was in his face all game long
Josh Norman is a scum bag. But there could have been some serious damage if OBJ connected fully. I don’t mind going after a player but that was a scumbag move by OBJ. If roles were reversed and Norman did that to OBJ... the reaction here would be quite different.
Norman brought that on himself, him and his buddy should've been ejected before the game even started.
Only thing regretabble about that hit is that it didn't end Normans career. Fuck him.
Classy. Moments like these I tend to disassociate from Giants fans.
Fans who actually believe the panthers were going to hit with him a bat before the game in the middle of the field make me wonder sometimes....
Absolutely. I can't even talk about the damn Steelers and their fan base who have a rapist as their starting QB. He is a very good football player, and will likely get into the Hall of Fame. But I think he should be disqualified from the sport.
Can’t we say the same for Julio, Deandre, Theilen and maybe a few more as well?
oh I agree. But isnt he top 5 in a lot of categories outside TDs? I mean Eli missed him a few times this year for scores - but he seems to put up big numbers in jsut about every game.
OBJ runs in a rich famous circle, with young glamorous people. The media is entrenched in that circle. OBJ is one of them.
Brown is a football player who lives half the year in Western Pennsylvania.
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In the chin. When Brown pulls that type shit... let’s have a convo then.
This guy threw a furniture out a window that almost hit a toddler. Thats way way worse.
I guess you missed my earlier comment. It is not which is worse. We are answering a question as to why AB does not get the same negative attention. I pointed out that the things OBJ did happened on camera in a game. These things get replayed over and over again. If someone had video of AB throwing furniture out of a window then that would be shared 10 million times already AND he probably would have been suspended due to the video evidence.
Really not sure why people cannot understand the difference.
If you need one last piece of evidence as to what I am talking about....
Ray Rice's career would not have ended if there was no video camera in that elevator. Truth
Brown has done plenty on camera. He plays in a smaller town for a team with a lot more wins and other personalities that take the heat off of him. A rapist throws to him and their other best player is still holding out.
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In the chin. When Brown pulls that type shit... let’s have a convo then.
This guy threw a furniture out a window that almost hit a toddler. Thats way way worse.
I guess you missed my earlier comment. It is not which is worse. We are answering a question as to why AB does not get the same negative attention. I pointed out that the things OBJ did happened on camera in a game. These things get replayed over and over again. If someone had video of AB throwing furniture out of a window then that would be shared 10 million times already AND he probably would have been suspended due to the video evidence.
Really not sure why people cannot understand the difference.
If you need one last piece of evidence as to what I am talking about....
Ray Rice's career would not have ended if there was no video camera in that elevator. Truth
I wasn't responding to you
You are talking about media and public reaction to events.
Dep is talking about the actual severity of the action.
OBJ purposely tried to physically injure a guy with a cheapshot move.
Beckham isn’t in the spotlight because of a cheap shot on a dirty player from 3 years ago. If you believe that I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
Beckham isn’t in the spotlight because of a cheap shot on a dirty player from 3 years ago. If you believe that I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
But it is something that did happen. And he was very lucky he didnt permanently hurt Norman.
I dont give a flying fuck who he did it too. You run full speed and launch your helmet to someones chin when they arent looking.... thats a scumbag move.
You have a very odd take on this.
Has it ever occurred to you that while maybe, and thankfully, he hasn't killed granny and kicked a baby, in many other ways he's just not that likable a guy?
It's always some other excuse. The media hates him, he's mad about all the losing, he needs time to mature.
Beckham is a very good, yet not very likable player who has done a lot of stupid shit on and off the football field but thankfully nothing so far that is criminal or violent. What else is there to say?
OBJ purposely tried to physically injure a guy with a cheapshot move.
do you really think OBJ's cheap shot is worse than recklessly endangering the life of a 14 month old kid?
holy shit
You have a very odd take on this.
Cause we are talking about OBJ's rep. Bringing up shit he has done in the past is the reason for it.
a Bigger cheap shot? Now you are just being ridiculous. He lowered his shoulder while blockign during the play. OBJ speared a guy in the chin running full speed to do it.
Wow.
Gronk takes a lot of shit and he did with his actions against Buffalo last year. He may not take as much as OBJ, but that dickhead move he had last year was a black eye for him.
By the way, that viscous and criminal hit failed to even knock Norman off his feet.
By the way, that viscous and criminal hit failed to even knock Norman off his feet.
Not for a lack of effort.
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a better example here is Gronk. Why isn't Gronk looked at the same?
Gronk takes a lot of shit and he did with his actions against Buffalo last year. He may not take as much as OBJ, but that dickhead move he had last year was a black eye for him.
Stop. You are still referencing something from 3 years ago. People stopped talking about Gronk a week later. The reality is that Gronk is on a winning team. OBJ gets blamed by a certain group of fans that defend others.
You act as if Beckham's spearing of Norman is still the lead story on NFL Live.
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a better example here is Gronk. Why isn't Gronk looked at the same?
Gronk takes a lot of shit and he did with his actions against Buffalo last year. He may not take as much as OBJ, but that dickhead move he had last year was a black eye for him.
Stop. You are still referencing something from 3 years ago. People stopped talking about Gronk a week later. The reality is that Gronk is on a winning team. OBJ gets blamed by a certain group of fans that defend others.
I'd like to see a ven diagram of Eli OBJ haters and Eli apologists.
You act as if Beckham's spearing of Norman is still the lead story on NFL Live.
Do you think the Pats board still brings up the Gronk hit?
I'd like to see a ven diagram of Eli OBJ haters and Eli apologists.
lol. And BBI has reached a new low.
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how come a more recent and arguably bigger cheap shot isn’t talked about but Beckham’s is?
a Bigger cheap shot? Now you are just being ridiculous. He lowered his shoulder while blockign during the play. OBJ speared a guy in the chin running full speed to do it.
Wow.
The only one being ridiculous is you. Both were cheap shots, people only care about the one that was from 3 years ago, why is that? How many other cheap shots in the nfl happen weekly that are forgotten about a week later?
Need a longer shovel?
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media headlines (in Gronk's case) vs. message board discussion from dyed in the wool Giants fans.
You act as if Beckham's spearing of Norman is still the lead story on NFL Live.
Do you think the Pats board still brings up the Gronk hit?
If they are talking about cheapshots and shit like that... yes I am sure they do. Because thats what we are talking about here. Not about OBJ's game or impact.
Its a negative attention thread so we are going to bring up things OBJ did that were NEGATIVE!!!!!
Oh why bother...
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a better example here is Gronk. Why isn't Gronk looked at the same?
Gronk takes a lot of shit and he did with his actions against Buffalo last year. He may not take as much as OBJ, but that dickhead move he had last year was a black eye for him.
Stop. You are still referencing something from 3 years ago. People stopped talking about Gronk a week later. The reality is that Gronk is on a winning team. OBJ gets blamed by a certain group of fans that defend others.
I'd like to see a ven diagram of Eli OBJ haters and Eli apologists.
lol, pretty sure it would just be one big circle.
Players have bad moments. It happens. They play a violent game and run in emotions. Be mad at players with a bad history of it (Burfict, Roy Williams, Dawkins).
Oh why bother...
You are one of the most unobjective people on this board. You are harping on a comparison of dirty hits to keep from answering the real questions that you so often avoid.
This is bizarre.
All I know is both Gronk and OBJ were both suspended for their dirty hits because they were both scumbag moves. And no one really talks about either of the dirty hits anymore unless we are talking about cheapshots and negative attention like we are doing in this thread.
Yes it is.
I have to disagree with you on the idea that he was out of the league because he was not good anymore. The guy was the starting RB for the Ravens and was suspended over this incident after the video got out and before any court appearance. He was tried in the court of public opinion and the NFL made an example of him and started the domestic violence campaign. Again... without the video his girlfriend/wife probably never goes to the police and we never even know about this. Even if she does go to the police he gets suspended and then comes back after that suspension is over. People were outraged after seeing him knock her out and then drag her out of the elevator.
I will never argue with you that when that happened Ray had taken a step back as far as his effectiveness on the field. Without that video, at minimum he returns as a backup RB. I have no doubt about that.
I talked my friend out of stupidity last night when he wanted to bet against the Steelers because in his words, “ the Steelers are a dysfunctional mess and brown is always getting in trouble.”
Sure they are. And they are 6 and fucking 2.
I have tons and tons of evidence. Tons of proof. The only people distracted from wr diva behavior are the fans and sports writers. Fact!
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how come a more recent and arguably bigger cheap shot isn’t talked about but Beckham’s is?
a Bigger cheap shot? Now you are just being ridiculous. He lowered his shoulder while blockign during the play. OBJ speared a guy in the chin running full speed to do it.
Wow.
The only one being ridiculous is you. Both were cheap shots, people only care about the one that was from 3 years ago, why is that? How many other cheap shots in the nfl happen weekly that are forgotten about a week later?
Need a longer shovel?
The crap with Norman gets brought up because it was the start of some odd OBJ actions during games and off the field.
1)The Norman deal
2) Kicking net hitting him in the face after he punched it
3) Proposing to the net
4) Pissing like a dog as a TD celebration
5) The Boat trip
6) Filming himself shirtless in freezing weather in response to the boat trip and then stinking up the place during the ensuing playoff game
7) Trip to Paris being filmed eating pizza with some skank doing blow
8) Bagging on his team and teammates in an ESPN interview
9) leaving games early prior to halftime
10) Headbutting a cooling fan to the point that a rookie has to come over to calm him down.
It's not just the Norman fight, it's a pattern of selfish destructive acts that are detrimental to the team. Just when it seems he's matured he does something else that gets everything rehashed over and over again. In a media market like NY he's gold for them. The other thing to remember is that OBJ created a brand over himself. It was a savvy move and has made him extremely popular with a younger crowd but at the same time it brings more scrutiny than most NFL players
I don't know if the Panthers were going to hit him with a bat, but the mere fact he was threatened with a bat by a practice squad player, nonetheless, puts some context behind the emotion of the game and the eventual dirty plays
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Fans who actually believe the panthers were going to hit with him a bat before the game in the middle of the field make me wonder sometimes...
I don't know if the Panthers were going to hit him with a bat, but the mere fact he was threatened with a bat by a practice squad player, nonetheless, puts some context behind the emotion of the game and the eventual dirty plays
yeah I am not condoning what the Panthers did. And it was wrong and stupid of it. But do fans really believe they were going to use it on OBJ?
The Norman thing got him suspended. And he he got flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct for pissing like a dog and slapping xavier Rhodes in the face on a play (not saying it was a huge detriment or something that doesnt happen) Just things he got flagged for,
I understand what you mean now
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you did double up a bit, but a list with 10 awesome things looks much better. Curious though, other than the playoff performance, how was anything else detrimental to the team?
The Norman thing got him suspended. And he he got flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct for pissing like a dog and slapping xavier Rhodes in the face on a play (not saying it was a huge detriment or something that doesnt happen) Just things he got flagged for,
Gotcha. So now anyone that gets a flag is a detriment to the team, got it. BS. The Norman thing, detriment, until he scored a TD and got us right back in the game. Outside the Carolina thing, OBJ has never done anything other than bust his ass between the lines and help us win games. Thats it. All the other nonsense is an opportunity to deflect.
You don't think leaving the field early, bagging on the team and teammates, spearing Norman is not detrimental to the team?
Are you suggesting that him telling ESPN that Eli won't throw the ball deep(true) was detrimental? So it effected Eli and made him play worse? Its funny, our offense actually looked competent for parts after that.
Are you suggesting that him telling ESPN that Eli won't throw the ball deep(true) was detrimental? So it effected Eli and made him play worse? Its funny, our offense actually looked competent for parts after that.
Ok, now you're just floundering here. I never said it cost them a game I said it was detrimental to the team and from the rest of your response I can only assume you have zero clue how a team works and interacts together.
Having your best player imply he doesn't want to be here and then dog one of the other best players on a team is just about the definition of being detrimental to a "Team".
Now if your response is going to be another one where you put words in my mouth don't waste my time
I’m really not even defending Beckham’s actions. The OP had a question and if you notice, I wasn’t involved at all (and haven’t been on Beckham threads in a while) until it was claimed that it’s because of a dirty hit. There’s dirty hits weekly so I’m scratching my head as to why that would be the reason why he gets negative attention.
Not my fault some people can’t get out of their own way.
really, im the dep/britt equivalent for OBJ?? Oy vey.
Regardless, the dude is one of the best skill position players in the NFL and he gets treated like he's some JAG that gets arrested all the time, so I guess I'll continue to defend until the Giants fix the rest of the problems and we win again.