Has been about how the Steelers proved they are for real and are super bowl contenders while the Panthers turned out to be frauds who completely suck. Even Buck and Aikman were saying after the game how they were "blown away" but the result. Why is no one noting the fact that regardless of the teams playing games like this seem to happen all the time on Thursday night and more often than not it is the visiting team that gets obliterated. I have no doubt this would have been a different game if, let's say, it was played on Sunday and/or Carolina was the home team. I can't imagine a team trying to gameplan to play an NFL team AND travel to another state in a span of 72 hours. No wonder we see so many awful games on Thursdays.
oline may have played worse than the Giants oline last night. At least it looked eerily similar. DEs and OLBs at the QB before he finishes his drop back.
Oh, and while Pitts line may not be the best, it is pretty damn good.
Believe it or not, Eli has had some as well. BFD..Look at the othe Ben games with his INTs and his 80 throws a game and accumulated yardage. Again, BFD. They’re both HOFers, imo. Enough already
what the Steelers did to Carolina vs what we did, just shows how far behind we are to being a contender....
I don’t agree with this take. Yeah we suck. We know it. But you can’t base our performance vs one team on the road vs what Carolina was up against last night (short week, travel, top opponent,etc).
How you guys talk about Oline when what you're really talking about is the QB.
Watching the two teams last night should even solidfy how much of an improvement we need on the OL. Lets look at the two teams...
Cam Newton is overrated, IMO, but a QB who you can win with. He was awful last night. Pick 6, fumbled, sack every which way, and should have had at least 1-2 more picked as well. Now the pick 6 was obviously his fault, but he was just getting hammered left and right. It was ugly.
Ben had all day in the pocket. WRs were running wild in the secondary. He was hit once all night. Connor was well on his way to his 5th straight 100 yard and multiple TD game until he got banged up a little.
QBs need to get into rhythm. So do RBs. When the RB is getting hit 2-3 yards past the LOS. When the QB gets hit once a game.... you are going to see dominating results.
Its simple people. We need to fix the OL or create schemes that hides our OL inefficiencies. Hernandez is our OL who looks to be anything about bad. He has a future. The other 4 spots are either ineffective or just bad players.
Ben has a much better oline but he’s also a better QB at this stage of he two careers. No idea why it’s so difficult to see and/or admit.
He wouldnt be behind our OL. Not even close. As a matter of fact... he would have retired IMO if he had to play with a Giants type OL for the last 6 years.
Well you have posters who rather get a QB in the first round next year. That doesnt seem like trying to improve the OL first.
They are both huge needs. You don't often have the luxury for deciding when you select your QB. You have to take them when the opportunities are there. We aren't going to fix both this offseason unless we get very lucky.
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They are both huge needs. You don't often have the luxury for deciding when you select your QB. You have to take them when the opportunities are there. We aren't going to fix both this offseason unless we get very lucky.
Actually I disagree. By fixing the OL, you help the QB. If the Qb next year is Lauletta or Bridgewater, or Winston, or a guy we take in the later rounds.... they will have more success by getting an OL that can actually block. You may not win the SB, but everyone gets better.... especially a kid named Saquon Barkley.
Putting Justin Herbert behind this OL...... well, good luck.
And that’s you putting words in my mouth. Eli stinks, time to get over it and move on. Ever single thread that has nothing to do with Eli has you injecting a comment about Eli without Eli’s name attached to it.
He stinks now. A perfect OLine is required for him to be an adequate QB and we don’t have one. Other QBs aroundyhr league are having much more success with bad oline s. What’s so hard to grasp about this?
I thought you were trying to get in less arguments this time around? Every single primetime game thread now is just you dug in arguing with everybody. Is this enjoyable for you?
Very likely it will. Except they shouldn't be building for next year -we're not a year away. They should be drafting with an eye on long term sustained success.
Very likely it will. Except they shouldn't be building for next year -we're not a year away. They should be drafting with an eye on long term sustained success.
RE: Comparing
UberAlias : 9:15 am : link : reply
In comment 14169650 Doomster said:
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what the Steelers did to Carolina vs what we did, just shows how far behind we are to being a contender....
Sure, I suppose for those who weren't already convinced after 4 wins in 1.5 seasons.
And yet, we still get posts where all of a sudden we will be contenders next season...
And there is this:
RE: Comparing
The_Boss : 9:20 am : link : reply
In comment 14169650 Doomster said:
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what the Steelers did to Carolina vs what we did, just shows how far behind we are to being a contender....
I don’t agree with this take. Yeah we suck. We know it. But you can’t base our performance vs one team on the road vs what Carolina was up against last night (short week, travel, top opponent,etc).
What better way to compare teams than common opponents? Especially, how your OL and DL played against the same team?
I thought you were trying to get in less arguments this time around? Every single primetime game thread now is just you dug in arguing with everybody. Is this enjoyable for you?
They are both huge needs. You don't often have the luxury for deciding when you select your QB. You have to take them when the opportunities are there. We aren't going to fix both this offseason unless we get very lucky.
Actually I disagree. By fixing the OL, you help the QB. If the Qb next year is Lauletta or Bridgewater, or Winston, or a guy we take in the later rounds.... they will have more success by getting an OL that can actually block. You may not win the SB, but everyone gets better.... especially a kid named Saquon Barkley.
Putting Justin Herbert behind this OL...... well, good luck.
Herbert wouldn’t get behind this OL configuration. I don’t get why you think he would? This OL won’t exist past week 17. You think the NYG won’t be pouring premium resources into this unit next spring? There’s FA and the draft is 7 rounds, not 1.
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They are both huge needs. You don't often have the luxury for deciding when you select your QB. You have to take them when the opportunities are there. We aren't going to fix both this offseason unless we get very lucky.
Actually I disagree. By fixing the OL, you help the QB. If the Qb next year is Lauletta or Bridgewater, or Winston, or a guy we take in the later rounds.... they will have more success by getting an OL that can actually block. You may not win the SB, but everyone gets better.... especially a kid named Saquon Barkley.
Putting Justin Herbert behind this OL...... well, good luck.
Herbert wouldn’t get behind this OL configuration. I don’t get why you think he would? This OL won’t exist past week 17. You think the NYG won’t be pouring premium resources into this unit next spring? There’s FA and the draft is 7 rounds, not 1.
Free agency like this past year? How did that turn out?
How am I in denial? I said the team blows. And, spoiler alert, until we field nfl level players along the OL and at QB, we’ll likely continue to suck the cock.
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They are both huge needs. You don't often have the luxury for deciding when you select your QB. You have to take them when the opportunities are there. We aren't going to fix both this offseason unless we get very lucky.
Actually I disagree. By fixing the OL, you help the QB. If the Qb next year is Lauletta or Bridgewater, or Winston, or a guy we take in the later rounds.... they will have more success by getting an OL that can actually block. You may not win the SB, but everyone gets better.... especially a kid named Saquon Barkley.
Putting Justin Herbert behind this OL...... well, good luck.
Herbert wouldn’t get behind this OL configuration. I don’t get why you think he would? This OL won’t exist past week 17. You think the NYG won’t be pouring premium resources into this unit next spring? There’s FA and the draft is 7 rounds, not 1.
Free agency like this past year? How did that turn out?
You don’t need to tell me bro. I loathe Gettleman.
Bad choices don't work regardless of the strategy.
Its always a chance. But we need 3 (well 4, Solder isnt going anywhere unfortunatley) new OL. We dont have a 3rd round pick. The FA OL pool is very thin this year IMO.
You can be serviceable with upgrades on the OL and a FA QB or just go with Lauletta.
But so is the cost for blowing the opportunity if you pass on a good one. Good opportunities don't come often, which is why teams will go to such lengths to land their guy when they have the chance.
But so is the cost for blowing the opportunity if you pass on a good one. Good opportunities don't come often, which is why teams will go to such lengths to land their guy when they have the chance.
I agree with you. But here's 2 things I think (I could be wrong its just my opinion.)
1. I dont think there is a blue chip in this draft.
2. I think our OL is so bad that even with one, he wouldnt be able to reach their potential.
I know people can say 'hey, you can fix the OL through later rounds and through FA"..... we have been trying to do that for how many years now and it keeps getting worse and worse.
If we don’t even take a chance in selecting a top QB, we miss guaranteed and remain in QB hell.
Gotta take a shot at a top QB in this draft if one is there when we pick (Herbert). If we take him and he’s looking bad in year two or three, we try again. Hell, if we end up top 3 picking again in 2020 and Tua or someone great is there - even with Herbert on board already - I’d take him and let them battle it out. Loser gets flipped for a juicy draft package in 2021.
The QB position is so much more important to a team’s succuess than is any other position. It’s worth investing your top assets in until you get it right. We have no QB right now - our #1 goal should be to get one.
But so is the cost for blowing the opportunity if you pass on a good one. Good opportunities don't come often, which is why teams will go to such lengths to land their guy when they have the chance.
I agree with you. But here's 2 things I think (I could be wrong its just my opinion.)
1. I dont think there is a blue chip in this draft.
2. I think our OL is so bad that even with one, he wouldnt be able to reach their potential.
I know people can say 'hey, you can fix the OL through later rounds and through FA"..... we have been trying to do that for how many years now and it keeps getting worse and worse.
If there isn't the guy QB for you, then you don't take one just to take one. As I said, good opportunities don't come very often, and simply having a high draft pick doesn't guarantee there is a guy worth taking. Truth is, this team need a strategy to fix the Oline and address QB and isn't likely a one year plan. They can use top pick on a blue chipper just about anywhere and use remainder of draft and FA to address needs. But if a QB you have conviction for is there, I think you have to take him.
But so is the cost for blowing the opportunity if you pass on a good one. Good opportunities don't come often, which is why teams will go to such lengths to land their guy when they have the chance.
I agree with you. But here's 2 things I think (I could be wrong its just my opinion.)
1. I dont think there is a blue chip in this draft.
2. I think our OL is so bad that even with one, he wouldnt be able to reach their potential.
I know people can say 'hey, you can fix the OL through later rounds and through FA"..... we have been trying to do that for how many years now and it keeps getting worse and worse.
If there isn't the guy QB for you, then you don't take one just to take one. As I said, good opportunities don't come very often, and simply having a high draft pick doesn't guarantee there is a guy worth taking. Truth is, this team need a strategy to fix the Oline and address QB and isn't likely a one year plan. They can use top pick on a blue chipper just about anywhere and use remainder of draft and FA to address needs. But if a QB you have conviction for is there, I think you have to take him.
And now theres a ton of merit to this. But I wonder if the FO is looking at 2020 QBs and thinking if we suck again next year (which is very likely) they wait until then.
If there isn't a QB that Gettleman likes in the next draft Â
Agreed. There was one play last night where he had so much time he was standing flat footed back there in a huge pocket, just surveying the field, with not a care in the world or in any type of hurry. The pocket was so big it looked as if the play had been blown dead and he was just standing there. Then he found AB about 20 yds down the middle and just threw a strike for the long gain.
The Panthers will be back.
Oh, and while Pitts line may not be the best, it is pretty damn good.
Are you implying they didn’t play well?
...than Eli gets for entire quarter.
...but if you don't think he has been playing behind an elite premier O-line for years, then you are not paying attention.
I don’t agree with this take. Yeah we suck. We know it. But you can’t base our performance vs one team on the road vs what Carolina was up against last night (short week, travel, top opponent,etc).
Watching the two teams last night should even solidfy how much of an improvement we need on the OL. Lets look at the two teams...
Cam Newton is overrated, IMO, but a QB who you can win with. He was awful last night. Pick 6, fumbled, sack every which way, and should have had at least 1-2 more picked as well. Now the pick 6 was obviously his fault, but he was just getting hammered left and right. It was ugly.
Ben had all day in the pocket. WRs were running wild in the secondary. He was hit once all night. Connor was well on his way to his 5th straight 100 yard and multiple TD game until he got banged up a little.
QBs need to get into rhythm. So do RBs. When the RB is getting hit 2-3 yards past the LOS. When the QB gets hit once a game.... you are going to see dominating results.
Its simple people. We need to fix the OL or create schemes that hides our OL inefficiencies. Hernandez is our OL who looks to be anything about bad. He has a future. The other 4 spots are either ineffective or just bad players.
He wouldnt be behind our OL. Not even close. As a matter of fact... he would have retired IMO if he had to play with a Giants type OL for the last 6 years.
Well you have posters who rather get a QB in the first round next year. That doesnt seem like trying to improve the OL first.
Ok Ben would be as amazing with this OL...lol
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We need to improve our Oline. Brilliant!
Well you have posters who rather get a QB in the first round next year. That doesnt seem like trying to improve the OL first.
Actually I disagree. By fixing the OL, you help the QB. If the Qb next year is Lauletta or Bridgewater, or Winston, or a guy we take in the later rounds.... they will have more success by getting an OL that can actually block. You may not win the SB, but everyone gets better.... especially a kid named Saquon Barkley.
Putting Justin Herbert behind this OL...... well, good luck.
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Ok Ben would be as amazing with this OL...lol
And that’s you putting words in my mouth. Eli stinks, time to get over it and move on. Ever single thread that has nothing to do with Eli has you injecting a comment about Eli without Eli’s name attached to it.
He stinks now. A perfect OLine is required for him to be an adequate QB and we don’t have one. Other QBs aroundyhr league are having much more success with bad oline s. What’s so hard to grasp about this?
When you dig in you really dig in.
This place fucking blows. When Eli retires, Eric will need to generate more members cause most people wont know what to talk about.
And that is drafting OL, IMO.
UberAlias : 9:15 am : link : reply
In comment 14169650 Doomster said:
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what the Steelers did to Carolina vs what we did, just shows how far behind we are to being a contender....
Sure, I suppose for those who weren't already convinced after 4 wins in 1.5 seasons.
And yet, we still get posts where all of a sudden we will be contenders next season...
And there is this:
RE: Comparing
The_Boss : 9:20 am : link : reply
In comment 14169650 Doomster said:
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what the Steelers did to Carolina vs what we did, just shows how far behind we are to being a contender....
I don’t agree with this take. Yeah we suck. We know it. But you can’t base our performance vs one team on the road vs what Carolina was up against last night (short week, travel, top opponent,etc).
What better way to compare teams than common opponents? Especially, how your OL and DL played against the same team?
Place sucks sometimes. What can you do.
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They are both huge needs. You don't often have the luxury for deciding when you select your QB. You have to take them when the opportunities are there. We aren't going to fix both this offseason unless we get very lucky.
Actually I disagree. By fixing the OL, you help the QB. If the Qb next year is Lauletta or Bridgewater, or Winston, or a guy we take in the later rounds.... they will have more success by getting an OL that can actually block. You may not win the SB, but everyone gets better.... especially a kid named Saquon Barkley.
Putting Justin Herbert behind this OL...... well, good luck.
Herbert wouldn’t get behind this OL configuration. I don’t get why you think he would? This OL won’t exist past week 17. You think the NYG won’t be pouring premium resources into this unit next spring? There’s FA and the draft is 7 rounds, not 1.
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They are both huge needs. You don't often have the luxury for deciding when you select your QB. You have to take them when the opportunities are there. We aren't going to fix both this offseason unless we get very lucky.
Actually I disagree. By fixing the OL, you help the QB. If the Qb next year is Lauletta or Bridgewater, or Winston, or a guy we take in the later rounds.... they will have more success by getting an OL that can actually block. You may not win the SB, but everyone gets better.... especially a kid named Saquon Barkley.
Putting Justin Herbert behind this OL...... well, good luck.
Herbert wouldn’t get behind this OL configuration. I don’t get why you think he would? This OL won’t exist past week 17. You think the NYG won’t be pouring premium resources into this unit next spring? There’s FA and the draft is 7 rounds, not 1.
Free agency like this past year? How did that turn out?
How am I in denial? I said the team blows. And, spoiler alert, until we field nfl level players along the OL and at QB, we’ll likely continue to suck the cock.
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They are both huge needs. You don't often have the luxury for deciding when you select your QB. You have to take them when the opportunities are there. We aren't going to fix both this offseason unless we get very lucky.
Actually I disagree. By fixing the OL, you help the QB. If the Qb next year is Lauletta or Bridgewater, or Winston, or a guy we take in the later rounds.... they will have more success by getting an OL that can actually block. You may not win the SB, but everyone gets better.... especially a kid named Saquon Barkley.
Putting Justin Herbert behind this OL...... well, good luck.
Herbert wouldn’t get behind this OL configuration. I don’t get why you think he would? This OL won’t exist past week 17. You think the NYG won’t be pouring premium resources into this unit next spring? There’s FA and the draft is 7 rounds, not 1.
Free agency like this past year? How did that turn out?
You don’t need to tell me bro. I loathe Gettleman.
Its always a chance. But we need 3 (well 4, Solder isnt going anywhere unfortunatley) new OL. We dont have a 3rd round pick. The FA OL pool is very thin this year IMO.
You can be serviceable with upgrades on the OL and a FA QB or just go with Lauletta.
One word answer.
One word answer.
QB.
Now let me ask you a question one word answer. If you swing and miss on a pick with a top pick - who has a greater negative effect on your future...
QB or OL.
I agree with you. But here's 2 things I think (I could be wrong its just my opinion.)
1. I dont think there is a blue chip in this draft.
2. I think our OL is so bad that even with one, he wouldnt be able to reach their potential.
I know people can say 'hey, you can fix the OL through later rounds and through FA"..... we have been trying to do that for how many years now and it keeps getting worse and worse.
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What has a greater value to the organization, in your eyes, over the long term. A franchise QB, or a single Olinemen?
One word answer.
QB.
Now let me ask you a question one word answer. If you swing and miss on a pick with a top pick - who has a greater negative effect on your future...
QB or OL.
All else equal, its the same impact. Thats why would should (and teams do so often) take a shot at a QB.
Gotta take a shot at a top QB in this draft if one is there when we pick (Herbert). If we take him and he’s looking bad in year two or three, we try again. Hell, if we end up top 3 picking again in 2020 and Tua or someone great is there - even with Herbert on board already - I’d take him and let them battle it out. Loser gets flipped for a juicy draft package in 2021.
The QB position is so much more important to a team’s succuess than is any other position. It’s worth investing your top assets in until you get it right. We have no QB right now - our #1 goal should be to get one.
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But so is the cost for blowing the opportunity if you pass on a good one. Good opportunities don't come often, which is why teams will go to such lengths to land their guy when they have the chance.
I agree with you. But here's 2 things I think (I could be wrong its just my opinion.)
1. I dont think there is a blue chip in this draft.
2. I think our OL is so bad that even with one, he wouldnt be able to reach their potential.
I know people can say 'hey, you can fix the OL through later rounds and through FA"..... we have been trying to do that for how many years now and it keeps getting worse and worse.
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But so is the cost for blowing the opportunity if you pass on a good one. Good opportunities don't come often, which is why teams will go to such lengths to land their guy when they have the chance.
I agree with you. But here's 2 things I think (I could be wrong its just my opinion.)
1. I dont think there is a blue chip in this draft.
2. I think our OL is so bad that even with one, he wouldnt be able to reach their potential.
I know people can say 'hey, you can fix the OL through later rounds and through FA"..... we have been trying to do that for how many years now and it keeps getting worse and worse.
If there isn't the guy QB for you, then you don't take one just to take one. As I said, good opportunities don't come very often, and simply having a high draft pick doesn't guarantee there is a guy worth taking. Truth is, this team need a strategy to fix the Oline and address QB and isn't likely a one year plan. They can use top pick on a blue chipper just about anywhere and use remainder of draft and FA to address needs. But if a QB you have conviction for is there, I think you have to take him.
And now theres a ton of merit to this. But I wonder if the FO is looking at 2020 QBs and thinking if we suck again next year (which is very likely) they wait until then.
Amen.
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I am fine taking an offensive lineman with every single pick...
Amen.
Holy shit, is this the end of days? Dep and Googs in agreement with one another?
...than Eli gets for entire quarter.
Agreed. There was one play last night where he had so much time he was standing flat footed back there in a huge pocket, just surveying the field, with not a care in the world or in any type of hurry. The pocket was so big it looked as if the play had been blown dead and he was just standing there. Then he found AB about 20 yds down the middle and just threw a strike for the long gain.
Damn right...
Wait a second!!