touchdown "drive." Howard Cosell used to say that time of possession was meaningless. I don't agree in every case, but that's an example of what he meant. Nice play.
Wow......seems to be a ton of interest in this one! Â
He sure is. Ive been watching him and the rest of his family play football for what seems like forever. McCaffrey High (aka Valor Christian) is about 2 football fields away from my house. I think there has been at least one McCaffrey playing there every year for at least the last 8 years. But Christian really stood out from the rest. He was incredible in HS; he could win games singlehandedly. Really good good kid from what I understand too...very happy to see him having success.
Are you suggesting they aren’t good? Lot of insight from you.
Another fucking dupe who lives in mommy’s basement.
No, I am not suggesting anything. I am making a clear as day statement that you are the worst. This is because everyone knows your intentions with this.
Are you suggesting they aren’t good? Lot of insight from you.
Another fucking dupe who lives in mommy’s basement.
No, I am not suggesting anything. I am making a clear as day statement that you are the worst. This is because everyone knows your intentions with this.
Dupe is cute. Hurts a lot.
Ok I was suggesting Pitt has a really good OLine. If you beg to differ we can gladly debate.
If you want to make stupid statements cause you want to start a confrontation, then have it. Get your milk and cookies first though Nancy.
Are you suggesting they aren’t good? Lot of insight from you.
Another fucking dupe who lives in mommy’s basement.
No, I am not suggesting anything. I am making a clear as day statement that you are the worst. This is because everyone knows your intentions with this.
Dupe is cute. Hurts a lot.
Ok I was suggesting Pitt has a really good OLine. If you beg to differ we can gladly debate.
If you want to make stupid statements cause you want to start a confrontation, then have it. Get your milk and cookies first though Nancy.
The 75-yd TD pass from Ben Roethlisberger to JuJu Smith-Schuster marks the #Steelers' longest first play from scrimmage in a game in team history.
Previous: 72 yards, multiple times, last 11/17/2002 at TEN (Tommy Maddox to Hines Ward).
Credit: @EliasSports
More impressed with the juju 99 yard Td at Detroit last year which won me two fantasy games! Wasn't the first play of the game but why is that important ? A score is a score
Let's see if we can get two or three more scores in.
Isn't this the same as complaining about a 3-0 half? Miami against the jets must Have been thrilling. 13-6 with a pick 6.
I think Thursday games produce low quality games because it must be nearly impossible for a defense to prepare for an offense especially a good offense like Pitt.
Are an example of a team built the right way that is committed to a sound philosophy of team building. Unfortunate that the Giants couldn’t follow suit over the last decade given the relationship between the two franchises.
Can you expand on the time you and your friends physically attacked some minority kids and screamed racial epithets at them when you were younger? Any comments on your racist past?
No? Oh ok. Let's promote your latest horrible movie!
Can you expand on the time you and your friends physically attacked some minority kids and screamed racial epithets at them when you were younger? Any comments on your racist past?
No? Oh ok. Let's promote your latest horrible movie!
Let's see if we can get two or three more scores in.
If you don't like Offense then Giants are a perfect team to watch. It seems like every other team in the NFL makes it look easy and the Giants with 1st round picks at TE WR and RB make it look impossible
Cause we are fans of Giants and can compare what we are seeing tonight to what we have had for years.
I love how everything is about Eli with you. It’s youre go to move. Like it’s such a bad thing to wanting a dominating OL. I mean for fucks sake. I mean I know we are watching an overrated line where Ben was hit ONE time and has produced 100 yard rusher nearly EVERY week this year.
Analyst like that makes me wonder how you aren’t an executive in the league.
Our roster is awful. OL needs 4 starters. We don't have a pass rush outside of Vernon. LBs are below average. Perhaps the worst starting S in the league in Riley. No CB depth.
Our roster is awful. OL needs 4 starters. We don't have a pass rush outside of Vernon. LBs are below average. Perhaps the worst starting S in the league in Riley. No CB depth.
Long way to go.
Not sure how you go into a year with starters like Riley at FS. Part of me thinks Gettleman knew this year was all bad, and was just hoping that the OL would gel enough to give us a .500 season.
At minimum, if we say we can live with Solder/Hernandez, we would need 3 OL, another WR or 2, a 2nd TE, 2 LB's, a starting FS, and 2 CBs.
If the Steelers can play D in the playoffs this year, they’re as good as anyone. Really fun watching them play.
I watch their QB and OL with envy.. miss seeing good play from thise units. Amazing how you don’t need a generational RB to run the ball.. just a solid run blocking line and competent RB.
The constant Manning is worse, Manning is worse off dry humping of every thread is so boring. Especially from the guys who have great football opinions.
Decastro is excellent. Pouncey is pretty good but nothing special. RT and LG are cheap and average players. Villanueva gets a lot of publicity but he's overrated.
Steelers don't pound the ball anymore. They struggle vs physical teams.
Scheme has opened up a lot more. It's a passing team with excellent pass catchers at WR, TE, and RB and a QB who's got it down and knows what to do.
Decastro is excellent. Pouncey is pretty good but nothing special. RT and LG are cheap and average players. Villanueva gets a lot of publicity but he's overrated.
Steelers don't pound the ball anymore. They struggle vs physical teams.
Scheme has opened up a lot more. It's a passing team with excellent pass catchers at WR, TE, and RB and a QB who's got it down and knows what to do.
Pouncey is nothing special?
Are you taking goofballs again?
The Eli homers are pissed seeing Big Ben have a good game Â
Has been about how the Steelers proved they are for real and are super bowl contenders while the Panthers turned out to be frauds who completely suck. Even Buck and Aikman were saying after the game how they were "blown away" but the result. Why is no one noting the fact that regardless of the teams playing games like this seem to happen all the time on Thursday night and more often than not it is the visiting team that gets obliterated. I have no doubt this would have been a different game if, let's say, it was played on Sunday and/or Carolina was the home team. I can't imagine a team trying to gameplan to play an NFL team AND travel to another state in a span of 72 hours. No wonder we see so many awful games on Thursdays.
oline may have played worse than the Giants oline last night. At least it looked eerily similar. DEs and OLBs at the QB before he finishes his drop back.
Oh, and while Pitts line may not be the best, it is pretty damn good.
Believe it or not, Eli has had some as well. BFD..Look at the othe Ben games with his INTs and his 80 throws a game and accumulated yardage. Again, BFD. They’re both HOFers, imo. Enough already
what the Steelers did to Carolina vs what we did, just shows how far behind we are to being a contender....
I don’t agree with this take. Yeah we suck. We know it. But you can’t base our performance vs one team on the road vs what Carolina was up against last night (short week, travel, top opponent,etc).
How you guys talk about Oline when what you're really talking about is the QB.
Watching the two teams last night should even solidfy how much of an improvement we need on the OL. Lets look at the two teams...
Cam Newton is overrated, IMO, but a QB who you can win with. He was awful last night. Pick 6, fumbled, sack every which way, and should have had at least 1-2 more picked as well. Now the pick 6 was obviously his fault, but he was just getting hammered left and right. It was ugly.
Ben had all day in the pocket. WRs were running wild in the secondary. He was hit once all night. Connor was well on his way to his 5th straight 100 yard and multiple TD game until he got banged up a little.
QBs need to get into rhythm. So do RBs. When the RB is getting hit 2-3 yards past the LOS. When the QB gets hit once a game.... you are going to see dominating results.
Its simple people. We need to fix the OL or create schemes that hides our OL inefficiencies. Hernandez is our OL who looks to be anything about bad. He has a future. The other 4 spots are either ineffective or just bad players.
Ben has a much better oline but he’s also a better QB at this stage of he two careers. No idea why it’s so difficult to see and/or admit.
He wouldnt be behind our OL. Not even close. As a matter of fact... he would have retired IMO if he had to play with a Giants type OL for the last 6 years.
Well you have posters who rather get a QB in the first round next year. That doesnt seem like trying to improve the OL first.
They are both huge needs. You don't often have the luxury for deciding when you select your QB. You have to take them when the opportunities are there. We aren't going to fix both this offseason unless we get very lucky.
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They are both huge needs. You don't often have the luxury for deciding when you select your QB. You have to take them when the opportunities are there. We aren't going to fix both this offseason unless we get very lucky.
Actually I disagree. By fixing the OL, you help the QB. If the Qb next year is Lauletta or Bridgewater, or Winston, or a guy we take in the later rounds.... they will have more success by getting an OL that can actually block. You may not win the SB, but everyone gets better.... especially a kid named Saquon Barkley.
Putting Justin Herbert behind this OL...... well, good luck.
And that’s you putting words in my mouth. Eli stinks, time to get over it and move on. Ever single thread that has nothing to do with Eli has you injecting a comment about Eli without Eli’s name attached to it.
He stinks now. A perfect OLine is required for him to be an adequate QB and we don’t have one. Other QBs aroundyhr league are having much more success with bad oline s. What’s so hard to grasp about this?
I thought you were trying to get in less arguments this time around? Every single primetime game thread now is just you dug in arguing with everybody. Is this enjoyable for you?
Very likely it will. Except they shouldn't be building for next year -we're not a year away. They should be drafting with an eye on long term sustained success.
Very likely it will. Except they shouldn't be building for next year -we're not a year away. They should be drafting with an eye on long term sustained success.
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what the Steelers did to Carolina vs what we did, just shows how far behind we are to being a contender....
Sure, I suppose for those who weren't already convinced after 4 wins in 1.5 seasons.
And yet, we still get posts where all of a sudden we will be contenders next season...
And there is this:
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what the Steelers did to Carolina vs what we did, just shows how far behind we are to being a contender....
I don’t agree with this take. Yeah we suck. We know it. But you can’t base our performance vs one team on the road vs what Carolina was up against last night (short week, travel, top opponent,etc).
What better way to compare teams than common opponents? Especially, how your OL and DL played against the same team?
I thought you were trying to get in less arguments this time around? Every single primetime game thread now is just you dug in arguing with everybody. Is this enjoyable for you?
They are both huge needs. You don't often have the luxury for deciding when you select your QB. You have to take them when the opportunities are there. We aren't going to fix both this offseason unless we get very lucky.
Actually I disagree. By fixing the OL, you help the QB. If the Qb next year is Lauletta or Bridgewater, or Winston, or a guy we take in the later rounds.... they will have more success by getting an OL that can actually block. You may not win the SB, but everyone gets better.... especially a kid named Saquon Barkley.
Putting Justin Herbert behind this OL...... well, good luck.
Herbert wouldn’t get behind this OL configuration. I don’t get why you think he would? This OL won’t exist past week 17. You think the NYG won’t be pouring premium resources into this unit next spring? There’s FA and the draft is 7 rounds, not 1.
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They are both huge needs. You don't often have the luxury for deciding when you select your QB. You have to take them when the opportunities are there. We aren't going to fix both this offseason unless we get very lucky.
Actually I disagree. By fixing the OL, you help the QB. If the Qb next year is Lauletta or Bridgewater, or Winston, or a guy we take in the later rounds.... they will have more success by getting an OL that can actually block. You may not win the SB, but everyone gets better.... especially a kid named Saquon Barkley.
Putting Justin Herbert behind this OL...... well, good luck.
Herbert wouldn’t get behind this OL configuration. I don’t get why you think he would? This OL won’t exist past week 17. You think the NYG won’t be pouring premium resources into this unit next spring? There’s FA and the draft is 7 rounds, not 1.
Free agency like this past year? How did that turn out?
How am I in denial? I said the team blows. And, spoiler alert, until we field nfl level players along the OL and at QB, we’ll likely continue to suck the cock.
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They are both huge needs. You don't often have the luxury for deciding when you select your QB. You have to take them when the opportunities are there. We aren't going to fix both this offseason unless we get very lucky.
Actually I disagree. By fixing the OL, you help the QB. If the Qb next year is Lauletta or Bridgewater, or Winston, or a guy we take in the later rounds.... they will have more success by getting an OL that can actually block. You may not win the SB, but everyone gets better.... especially a kid named Saquon Barkley.
Putting Justin Herbert behind this OL...... well, good luck.
Herbert wouldn’t get behind this OL configuration. I don’t get why you think he would? This OL won’t exist past week 17. You think the NYG won’t be pouring premium resources into this unit next spring? There’s FA and the draft is 7 rounds, not 1.
Free agency like this past year? How did that turn out?
You don’t need to tell me bro. I loathe Gettleman.
Bad choices don't work regardless of the strategy.
Its always a chance. But we need 3 (well 4, Solder isnt going anywhere unfortunatley) new OL. We dont have a 3rd round pick. The FA OL pool is very thin this year IMO.
You can be serviceable with upgrades on the OL and a FA QB or just go with Lauletta.
But so is the cost for blowing the opportunity if you pass on a good one. Good opportunities don't come often, which is why teams will go to such lengths to land their guy when they have the chance.
But so is the cost for blowing the opportunity if you pass on a good one. Good opportunities don't come often, which is why teams will go to such lengths to land their guy when they have the chance.
I agree with you. But here's 2 things I think (I could be wrong its just my opinion.)
1. I dont think there is a blue chip in this draft.
2. I think our OL is so bad that even with one, he wouldnt be able to reach their potential.
I know people can say 'hey, you can fix the OL through later rounds and through FA"..... we have been trying to do that for how many years now and it keeps getting worse and worse.
If we don’t even take a chance in selecting a top QB, we miss guaranteed and remain in QB hell.
Gotta take a shot at a top QB in this draft if one is there when we pick (Herbert). If we take him and he’s looking bad in year two or three, we try again. Hell, if we end up top 3 picking again in 2020 and Tua or someone great is there - even with Herbert on board already - I’d take him and let them battle it out. Loser gets flipped for a juicy draft package in 2021.
The QB position is so much more important to a team’s succuess than is any other position. It’s worth investing your top assets in until you get it right. We have no QB right now - our #1 goal should be to get one.
But so is the cost for blowing the opportunity if you pass on a good one. Good opportunities don't come often, which is why teams will go to such lengths to land their guy when they have the chance.
I agree with you. But here's 2 things I think (I could be wrong its just my opinion.)
1. I dont think there is a blue chip in this draft.
2. I think our OL is so bad that even with one, he wouldnt be able to reach their potential.
I know people can say 'hey, you can fix the OL through later rounds and through FA"..... we have been trying to do that for how many years now and it keeps getting worse and worse.
If there isn't the guy QB for you, then you don't take one just to take one. As I said, good opportunities don't come very often, and simply having a high draft pick doesn't guarantee there is a guy worth taking. Truth is, this team need a strategy to fix the Oline and address QB and isn't likely a one year plan. They can use top pick on a blue chipper just about anywhere and use remainder of draft and FA to address needs. But if a QB you have conviction for is there, I think you have to take him.
But so is the cost for blowing the opportunity if you pass on a good one. Good opportunities don't come often, which is why teams will go to such lengths to land their guy when they have the chance.
I agree with you. But here's 2 things I think (I could be wrong its just my opinion.)
1. I dont think there is a blue chip in this draft.
2. I think our OL is so bad that even with one, he wouldnt be able to reach their potential.
I know people can say 'hey, you can fix the OL through later rounds and through FA"..... we have been trying to do that for how many years now and it keeps getting worse and worse.
If there isn't the guy QB for you, then you don't take one just to take one. As I said, good opportunities don't come very often, and simply having a high draft pick doesn't guarantee there is a guy worth taking. Truth is, this team need a strategy to fix the Oline and address QB and isn't likely a one year plan. They can use top pick on a blue chipper just about anywhere and use remainder of draft and FA to address needs. But if a QB you have conviction for is there, I think you have to take him.
And now theres a ton of merit to this. But I wonder if the FO is looking at 2020 QBs and thinking if we suck again next year (which is very likely) they wait until then.
If there isn't a QB that Gettleman likes in the next draft Â
Agreed. There was one play last night where he had so much time he was standing flat footed back there in a huge pocket, just surveying the field, with not a care in the world or in any type of hurry. The pocket was so big it looked as if the play had been blown dead and he was just standing there. Then he found AB about 20 yds down the middle and just threw a strike for the long gain.
Did someone kill the cameraman there?
He sure is. Ive been watching him and the rest of his family play football for what seems like forever. McCaffrey High (aka Valor Christian) is about 2 football fields away from my house. I think there has been at least one McCaffrey playing there every year for at least the last 8 years. But Christian really stood out from the rest. He was incredible in HS; he could win games singlehandedly. Really good good kid from what I understand too...very happy to see him having success.
You are the worst.
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Pitt has a pretty good OL.
You are the worst.
Are you suggesting they aren’t good? Lot of insight from you.
Another fucking dupe who lives in mommy’s basement.
And he literally stood.
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Pitt has a pretty good OL.
You are the worst.
Are you suggesting they aren’t good? Lot of insight from you.
Another fucking dupe who lives in mommy’s basement.
No, I am not suggesting anything. I am making a clear as day statement that you are the worst. This is because everyone knows your intentions with this.
Dupe is cute. Hurts a lot.
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Pitt has a pretty good OL.
You are the worst.
Are you suggesting they aren’t good? Lot of insight from you.
Another fucking dupe who lives in mommy’s basement.
No, I am not suggesting anything. I am making a clear as day statement that you are the worst. This is because everyone knows your intentions with this.
Dupe is cute. Hurts a lot.
Ok I was suggesting Pitt has a really good OLine. If you beg to differ we can gladly debate.
If you want to make stupid statements cause you want to start a confrontation, then have it. Get your milk and cookies first though Nancy.
The 75-yd TD pass from Ben Roethlisberger to JuJu Smith-Schuster marks the #Steelers' longest first play from scrimmage in a game in team history.
Previous: 72 yards, multiple times, last 11/17/2002 at TEN (Tommy Maddox to Hines Ward).
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Pitt has a pretty good OL.
You are the worst.
What kind of response is that? He was stating the obvious - Pitt obviously has a very good line.
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Pitt has a pretty good OL.
You are the worst.
Are you suggesting they aren’t good? Lot of insight from you.
Another fucking dupe who lives in mommy’s basement.
No, I am not suggesting anything. I am making a clear as day statement that you are the worst. This is because everyone knows your intentions with this.
Dupe is cute. Hurts a lot.
Ok I was suggesting Pitt has a really good OLine. If you beg to differ we can gladly debate.
If you want to make stupid statements cause you want to start a confrontation, then have it. Get your milk and cookies first though Nancy.
whatever you gotta tell yourself there champ
Let's see if we can get two or three more scores in.
The 75-yd TD pass from Ben Roethlisberger to JuJu Smith-Schuster marks the #Steelers' longest first play from scrimmage in a game in team history.
Previous: 72 yards, multiple times, last 11/17/2002 at TEN (Tommy Maddox to Hines Ward).
Credit: @EliasSports
More impressed with the juju 99 yard Td at Detroit last year which won me two fantasy games! Wasn't the first play of the game but why is that important ? A score is a score
Let's see if we can get two or three more scores in.
Isn't this the same as complaining about a 3-0 half? Miami against the jets must Have been thrilling. 13-6 with a pick 6.
To me? This isn't fun.
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38 points in less than a half.
Let's see if we can get two or three more scores in.
Isn't this the same as complaining about a 3-0 half? Miami against the jets must Have been thrilling. 13-6 with a pick 6.
I actually prefer that style of game. Like Superbowl 42. 7-3 at halftime.
Or the time we played New England in Foxboro in 2011. 3-0 at halftime.
I like defense.
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38 points in less than a half.
Let's see if we can get two or three more scores in.
Isn't this the same as complaining about a 3-0 half? Miami against the jets must Have been thrilling. 13-6 with a pick 6.
I think a lot of people would be fine with a really good defensive game- the chess match. I would classify Fins-Jets as just sloppy O.
I think a good Offensive game also can be really good as long as the defense isnt terrible.
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38 points in less than a half.
Let's see if we can get two or three more scores in.
Isn't this the same as complaining about a 3-0 half? Miami against the jets must Have been thrilling. 13-6 with a pick 6.
I think Thursday games produce low quality games because it must be nearly impossible for a defense to prepare for an offense especially a good offense like Pitt.
It wasn't even a tackle. It was a helmet hit.
Troll alert. Troll alert.
What a great throw there by Newton, right?
LOL...I have to admit this is very true because I'm sitting here loving the fact that Antonio Brown has already gotten me 20.9 points by halftime
No? Oh ok. Let's promote your latest horrible movie!
Fox.
The Giants look like a fuckin peewee team compared to this.
No? Oh ok. Let's promote your latest horrible movie!
Fox.
wtf?? I haven’t heard this story. What happened?
Let's see if we can get two or three more scores in.
If you don't like Offense then Giants are a perfect team to watch. It seems like every other team in the NFL makes it look easy and the Giants with 1st round picks at TE WR and RB make it look impossible
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NFL is such poor quality.
Who was the guy who sweated Newton like no other? He was soaked in Cam nut sweat.
Dude is so overrated and isn't anywhere Superman. More like Subparman.
Who was the guy who sweated Newton like no other? He was soaked in Cam nut sweat.
Dude is so overrated and isn't anywhere Superman. More like Subparman.
MoM
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Doing things never been done before.
Who was the guy who sweated Newton like no other? He was soaked in Cam nut sweat.
Dude is so overrated and isn't anywhere Superman. More like Subparman.
MoM
That's right.
What dupe is he these days?
Newton is crazy overrated by virtually everyone especially trash media like ESPN and dick holes like Joe Bitch.
No they are not. They are anything from it.
Eric Reid playing angry again.
Villuneuva looks like fucking Walter Jones compared to the shit we have put out there the last half decade.
Eric Reid playing angry again.
Newton is a shitty QB. Sick athlete, but shitty QB.
Oh...is this about Eli again?
Hernandez at least would stick up for Eli in that kind of situation.
Solder would be too busy checking his investment accounts.
And the rest of the line would be on their stomachs eating turf.
Oh...is this about Eli again?
Not for me. I'm sick of watching other games and going, "well, 20 of their players start for us, without a problem."
Oh...is this about Eli again?
Cause we are fans of Giants and can compare what we are seeing tonight to what we have had for years.
I love how everything is about Eli with you. It’s youre go to move. Like it’s such a bad thing to wanting a dominating OL. I mean for fucks sake. I mean I know we are watching an overrated line where Ben was hit ONE time and has produced 100 yard rusher nearly EVERY week this year.
Analyst like that makes me wonder how you aren’t an executive in the league.
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38 points in less than a half.
Let's see if we can get two or three more scores in.
Isn't this the same as complaining about a 3-0 half? Miami against the jets must Have been thrilling. 13-6 with a pick 6.
I actually prefer that style of game. Like Superbowl 42. 7-3 at halftime.
Or the time we played New England in Foxboro in 2011. 3-0 at halftime.
I like defense.
or the first half of the Panthers-Patriots Superbowl. that was a great defensive battle for the first half.
Long way to go.
Come on Superman!
Another go to move.
About as moronic as saying that Pitts OL is overrated.
You'd think our guys would accidentally block somebody once in a while. When they fall down they don't even fall in the way of anybody.
Lol.
You high? Please give me anyone of those OL. The Center and guards get movement and hold up real well in pass pro.
Long way to go.
Not sure how you go into a year with starters like Riley at FS. Part of me thinks Gettleman knew this year was all bad, and was just hoping that the OL would gel enough to give us a .500 season.
At minimum, if we say we can live with Solder/Hernandez, we would need 3 OL, another WR or 2, a 2nd TE, 2 LB's, a starting FS, and 2 CBs.
Yep, long way to go.
They have average at best OTs who do get physically overmatched.
You can LOL all you want but this is just another subject where you think you know something.
Have they played well against a decent offense yet? Can’t play your own division in the playoffs.
They have average at best OTs who do get physically overmatched.
You can LOL all you want but this is just another subject where you think you know something.
Lol. Your about on point on this as you were with Corey Coleman.
I watch their QB and OL with envy.. miss seeing good play from thise units. Amazing how you don’t need a generational RB to run the ball.. just a solid run blocking line and competent RB.
But yeah.... overrated.
CAR avg. 28 PPG. I'd call this a good game too.
Yawn. When Andy dalton is the best you got... why even respond?
They had one bad gsme this year!! Come on now. They are overrated!
Please tell me which offensive lines in the league are dominating? Can you count 4 or 5? I cant count 2.
Decastro is excellent. Pouncey is pretty good but nothing special. RT and LG are cheap and average players. Villanueva gets a lot of publicity but he's overrated.
Steelers don't pound the ball anymore. They struggle vs physical teams.
Scheme has opened up a lot more. It's a passing team with excellent pass catchers at WR, TE, and RB and a QB who's got it down and knows what to do.
But other than that... they struggle and often are dominated.
Decastro is excellent. Pouncey is pretty good but nothing special. RT and LG are cheap and average players. Villanueva gets a lot of publicity but he's overrated.
Steelers don't pound the ball anymore. They struggle vs physical teams.
Scheme has opened up a lot more. It's a passing team with excellent pass catchers at WR, TE, and RB and a QB who's got it down and knows what to do.
Pouncey is nothing special?
Are you taking goofballs again?
They have average at best OTs who do get physically overmatched.
You can LOL all you want but this is just another subject where you think you know something.
Convienrly they lose Bell and don't lose a run game. Ben gets incredible amount to throw unless he does his patented 20 million pump fakes.
The Panthers will be back.
Oh, and while Pitts line may not be the best, it is pretty damn good.
Are you implying they didn’t play well?
...than Eli gets for entire quarter.
...but if you don't think he has been playing behind an elite premier O-line for years, then you are not paying attention.
I don’t agree with this take. Yeah we suck. We know it. But you can’t base our performance vs one team on the road vs what Carolina was up against last night (short week, travel, top opponent,etc).
Watching the two teams last night should even solidfy how much of an improvement we need on the OL. Lets look at the two teams...
Cam Newton is overrated, IMO, but a QB who you can win with. He was awful last night. Pick 6, fumbled, sack every which way, and should have had at least 1-2 more picked as well. Now the pick 6 was obviously his fault, but he was just getting hammered left and right. It was ugly.
Ben had all day in the pocket. WRs were running wild in the secondary. He was hit once all night. Connor was well on his way to his 5th straight 100 yard and multiple TD game until he got banged up a little.
QBs need to get into rhythm. So do RBs. When the RB is getting hit 2-3 yards past the LOS. When the QB gets hit once a game.... you are going to see dominating results.
Its simple people. We need to fix the OL or create schemes that hides our OL inefficiencies. Hernandez is our OL who looks to be anything about bad. He has a future. The other 4 spots are either ineffective or just bad players.
He wouldnt be behind our OL. Not even close. As a matter of fact... he would have retired IMO if he had to play with a Giants type OL for the last 6 years.
Well you have posters who rather get a QB in the first round next year. That doesnt seem like trying to improve the OL first.
Ok Ben would be as amazing with this OL...lol
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We need to improve our Oline. Brilliant!
Well you have posters who rather get a QB in the first round next year. That doesnt seem like trying to improve the OL first.
Actually I disagree. By fixing the OL, you help the QB. If the Qb next year is Lauletta or Bridgewater, or Winston, or a guy we take in the later rounds.... they will have more success by getting an OL that can actually block. You may not win the SB, but everyone gets better.... especially a kid named Saquon Barkley.
Putting Justin Herbert behind this OL...... well, good luck.
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Ok Ben would be as amazing with this OL...lol
And that’s you putting words in my mouth. Eli stinks, time to get over it and move on. Ever single thread that has nothing to do with Eli has you injecting a comment about Eli without Eli’s name attached to it.
He stinks now. A perfect OLine is required for him to be an adequate QB and we don’t have one. Other QBs aroundyhr league are having much more success with bad oline s. What’s so hard to grasp about this?
When you dig in you really dig in.
This place fucking blows. When Eli retires, Eric will need to generate more members cause most people wont know what to talk about.
And that is drafting OL, IMO.
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what the Steelers did to Carolina vs what we did, just shows how far behind we are to being a contender....
Sure, I suppose for those who weren't already convinced after 4 wins in 1.5 seasons.
And yet, we still get posts where all of a sudden we will be contenders next season...
And there is this:
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In comment 14169650 Doomster said:
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what the Steelers did to Carolina vs what we did, just shows how far behind we are to being a contender....
I don’t agree with this take. Yeah we suck. We know it. But you can’t base our performance vs one team on the road vs what Carolina was up against last night (short week, travel, top opponent,etc).
What better way to compare teams than common opponents? Especially, how your OL and DL played against the same team?
Place sucks sometimes. What can you do.
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They are both huge needs. You don't often have the luxury for deciding when you select your QB. You have to take them when the opportunities are there. We aren't going to fix both this offseason unless we get very lucky.
Actually I disagree. By fixing the OL, you help the QB. If the Qb next year is Lauletta or Bridgewater, or Winston, or a guy we take in the later rounds.... they will have more success by getting an OL that can actually block. You may not win the SB, but everyone gets better.... especially a kid named Saquon Barkley.
Putting Justin Herbert behind this OL...... well, good luck.
Herbert wouldn’t get behind this OL configuration. I don’t get why you think he would? This OL won’t exist past week 17. You think the NYG won’t be pouring premium resources into this unit next spring? There’s FA and the draft is 7 rounds, not 1.
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They are both huge needs. You don't often have the luxury for deciding when you select your QB. You have to take them when the opportunities are there. We aren't going to fix both this offseason unless we get very lucky.
Actually I disagree. By fixing the OL, you help the QB. If the Qb next year is Lauletta or Bridgewater, or Winston, or a guy we take in the later rounds.... they will have more success by getting an OL that can actually block. You may not win the SB, but everyone gets better.... especially a kid named Saquon Barkley.
Putting Justin Herbert behind this OL...... well, good luck.
Herbert wouldn’t get behind this OL configuration. I don’t get why you think he would? This OL won’t exist past week 17. You think the NYG won’t be pouring premium resources into this unit next spring? There’s FA and the draft is 7 rounds, not 1.
Free agency like this past year? How did that turn out?
How am I in denial? I said the team blows. And, spoiler alert, until we field nfl level players along the OL and at QB, we’ll likely continue to suck the cock.
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They are both huge needs. You don't often have the luxury for deciding when you select your QB. You have to take them when the opportunities are there. We aren't going to fix both this offseason unless we get very lucky.
Actually I disagree. By fixing the OL, you help the QB. If the Qb next year is Lauletta or Bridgewater, or Winston, or a guy we take in the later rounds.... they will have more success by getting an OL that can actually block. You may not win the SB, but everyone gets better.... especially a kid named Saquon Barkley.
Putting Justin Herbert behind this OL...... well, good luck.
Herbert wouldn’t get behind this OL configuration. I don’t get why you think he would? This OL won’t exist past week 17. You think the NYG won’t be pouring premium resources into this unit next spring? There’s FA and the draft is 7 rounds, not 1.
Free agency like this past year? How did that turn out?
You don’t need to tell me bro. I loathe Gettleman.
Its always a chance. But we need 3 (well 4, Solder isnt going anywhere unfortunatley) new OL. We dont have a 3rd round pick. The FA OL pool is very thin this year IMO.
You can be serviceable with upgrades on the OL and a FA QB or just go with Lauletta.
One word answer.
One word answer.
QB.
Now let me ask you a question one word answer. If you swing and miss on a pick with a top pick - who has a greater negative effect on your future...
QB or OL.
I agree with you. But here's 2 things I think (I could be wrong its just my opinion.)
1. I dont think there is a blue chip in this draft.
2. I think our OL is so bad that even with one, he wouldnt be able to reach their potential.
I know people can say 'hey, you can fix the OL through later rounds and through FA"..... we have been trying to do that for how many years now and it keeps getting worse and worse.
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What has a greater value to the organization, in your eyes, over the long term. A franchise QB, or a single Olinemen?
One word answer.
QB.
Now let me ask you a question one word answer. If you swing and miss on a pick with a top pick - who has a greater negative effect on your future...
QB or OL.
All else equal, its the same impact. Thats why would should (and teams do so often) take a shot at a QB.
Gotta take a shot at a top QB in this draft if one is there when we pick (Herbert). If we take him and he’s looking bad in year two or three, we try again. Hell, if we end up top 3 picking again in 2020 and Tua or someone great is there - even with Herbert on board already - I’d take him and let them battle it out. Loser gets flipped for a juicy draft package in 2021.
The QB position is so much more important to a team’s succuess than is any other position. It’s worth investing your top assets in until you get it right. We have no QB right now - our #1 goal should be to get one.
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But so is the cost for blowing the opportunity if you pass on a good one. Good opportunities don't come often, which is why teams will go to such lengths to land their guy when they have the chance.
I agree with you. But here's 2 things I think (I could be wrong its just my opinion.)
1. I dont think there is a blue chip in this draft.
2. I think our OL is so bad that even with one, he wouldnt be able to reach their potential.
I know people can say 'hey, you can fix the OL through later rounds and through FA"..... we have been trying to do that for how many years now and it keeps getting worse and worse.
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But so is the cost for blowing the opportunity if you pass on a good one. Good opportunities don't come often, which is why teams will go to such lengths to land their guy when they have the chance.
I agree with you. But here's 2 things I think (I could be wrong its just my opinion.)
1. I dont think there is a blue chip in this draft.
2. I think our OL is so bad that even with one, he wouldnt be able to reach their potential.
I know people can say 'hey, you can fix the OL through later rounds and through FA"..... we have been trying to do that for how many years now and it keeps getting worse and worse.
If there isn't the guy QB for you, then you don't take one just to take one. As I said, good opportunities don't come very often, and simply having a high draft pick doesn't guarantee there is a guy worth taking. Truth is, this team need a strategy to fix the Oline and address QB and isn't likely a one year plan. They can use top pick on a blue chipper just about anywhere and use remainder of draft and FA to address needs. But if a QB you have conviction for is there, I think you have to take him.
And now theres a ton of merit to this. But I wonder if the FO is looking at 2020 QBs and thinking if we suck again next year (which is very likely) they wait until then.
Amen.
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I am fine taking an offensive lineman with every single pick...
Amen.
Holy shit, is this the end of days? Dep and Googs in agreement with one another?
...than Eli gets for entire quarter.
Agreed. There was one play last night where he had so much time he was standing flat footed back there in a huge pocket, just surveying the field, with not a care in the world or in any type of hurry. The pocket was so big it looked as if the play had been blown dead and he was just standing there. Then he found AB about 20 yds down the middle and just threw a strike for the long gain.
Damn right...
Wait a second!!