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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/8/2018 7:53 pm
This is probably the best game of the week. Both teams are on a bit of a roll, but I'll take Pittsburgh since they're at home.
McCaffery...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/8/2018 8:29 pm : link
7 0 Carolina. Great start for the Panthers.
Steelers strike right back.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/8/2018 8:34 pm : link
7 7. Schuster TD reception.
11-second, 75-yard  
Del Shofner : 11/8/2018 8:36 pm : link
touchdown "drive." Howard Cosell used to say that time of possession was meaningless. I don't agree in every case, but that's an example of what he meant. Nice play.
Wow......seems to be a ton of interest in this one!  
John In CO : 11/8/2018 8:36 pm : link
Perhaps everyone has given up on watching football for the rest of the season:). In any case, this is shaping up to be a good one.
haha!  
Del Shofner : 11/8/2018 8:38 pm : link
13-7 Steelers
JFC.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/8/2018 8:38 pm : link
Cam throws pick 6.
I know you dont want to take a safety there...but  
John In CO : 11/8/2018 8:40 pm : link
damn, throwing the ball away to the middle of the field is usually not a good idea.

Did someone kill the cameraman there?
McCaffrey is a damn  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/8/2018 8:41 pm : link
Good player.
RE: McCaffrey is a damn  
John In CO : 11/8/2018 8:50 pm : link
In comment 14169431 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Good player.


He sure is. Ive been watching him and the rest of his family play football for what seems like forever. McCaffrey High (aka Valor Christian) is about 2 football fields away from my house. I think there has been at least one McCaffrey playing there every year for at least the last 8 years. But Christian really stood out from the rest. He was incredible in HS; he could win games singlehandedly. Really good good kid from what I understand too...very happy to see him having success.
Hmmmm  
dep026 : 11/8/2018 8:55 pm : link
Pitt has a pretty good OL.
RE: Hmmmm  
Gmen88 : 11/8/2018 9:02 pm : link
In comment 14169437 dep026 said:
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Pitt has a pretty good OL.


You are the worst.
28 points in one quarter.....  
Britt in VA : 11/8/2018 9:04 pm : link
God I'm starting to hate the NFL.
RE: RE: Hmmmm  
dep026 : 11/8/2018 9:06 pm : link
In comment 14169440 Gmen88 said:
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Pitt has a pretty good OL.



You are the worst.


Are you suggesting they aren’t good? Lot of insight from you.

Another fucking dupe who lives in mommy’s basement.
Wow.....  
Britt in VA : 11/8/2018 9:10 pm : link
Roethlisberger stood there for like 8 seconds waiting for somebody to get open.

And he literally stood.
RE: RE: RE: Hmmmm  
Gmen88 : 11/8/2018 9:13 pm : link
In comment 14169443 dep026 said:
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Pitt has a pretty good OL.



You are the worst.



Are you suggesting they aren’t good? Lot of insight from you.

Another fucking dupe who lives in mommy’s basement.


No, I am not suggesting anything. I am making a clear as day statement that you are the worst. This is because everyone knows your intentions with this.

Dupe is cute. Hurts a lot.
Ugh  
BBelle21 : 11/8/2018 9:17 pm : link
Ben gets so much time. Imagine what Eli and Saquon do with that much time. Infuriating
I meant Saquon  
BBelle21 : 11/8/2018 9:18 pm : link
with a good Oline
RE: RE: RE: RE: Hmmmm  
dep026 : 11/8/2018 9:20 pm : link
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Pitt has a pretty good OL.



You are the worst.



Are you suggesting they aren’t good? Lot of insight from you.

Another fucking dupe who lives in mommy’s basement.



No, I am not suggesting anything. I am making a clear as day statement that you are the worst. This is because everyone knows your intentions with this.

Dupe is cute. Hurts a lot.


Ok I was suggesting Pitt has a really good OLine. If you beg to differ we can gladly debate.

If you want to make stupid statements cause you want to start a confrontation, then have it. Get your milk and cookies first though Nancy.
.  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/8/2018 9:26 pm : link
For Those Wondering:

The 75-yd TD pass from Ben Roethlisberger to JuJu Smith-Schuster marks the #Steelers' longest first play from scrimmage in a game in team history.

Previous: 72 yards, multiple times, last 11/17/2002 at TEN (Tommy Maddox to Hines Ward).

Credit: @EliasSports
RE: RE: Hmmmm  
Scuzzlebutt : 11/8/2018 9:26 pm : link
In comment 14169440 Gmen88 said:
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Pitt has a pretty good OL.



You are the worst.


What kind of response is that? He was stating the obvious - Pitt obviously has a very good line.
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Gmen88 : 11/8/2018 9:29 pm : link
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Pitt has a pretty good OL.



You are the worst.



Are you suggesting they aren’t good? Lot of insight from you.

Another fucking dupe who lives in mommy’s basement.



No, I am not suggesting anything. I am making a clear as day statement that you are the worst. This is because everyone knows your intentions with this.

Dupe is cute. Hurts a lot.



Ok I was suggesting Pitt has a really good OLine. If you beg to differ we can gladly debate.

If you want to make stupid statements cause you want to start a confrontation, then have it. Get your milk and cookies first though Nancy.


whatever you gotta tell yourself there champ
Yay....  
Britt in VA : 11/8/2018 9:29 pm : link
38 points in less than a half.

Let's see if we can get two or three more scores in.
RE: .  
MetsAreBack : 11/8/2018 9:30 pm : link
In comment 14169460 Dave in Hoboken said:
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For Those Wondering:

The 75-yd TD pass from Ben Roethlisberger to JuJu Smith-Schuster marks the #Steelers' longest first play from scrimmage in a game in team history.

Previous: 72 yards, multiple times, last 11/17/2002 at TEN (Tommy Maddox to Hines Ward).

Credit: @EliasSports


More impressed with the juju 99 yard Td at Detroit last year which won me two fantasy games! Wasn't the first play of the game but why is that important ? A score is a score
RE: Yay....  
MetsAreBack : 11/8/2018 9:31 pm : link
In comment 14169463 Britt in VA said:
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38 points in less than a half.

Let's see if we can get two or three more scores in.


Isn't this the same as complaining about a 3-0 half? Miami against the jets must Have been thrilling. 13-6 with a pick 6.
That was quick.  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/8/2018 9:32 pm : link
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Well, there's another TD....  
Britt in VA : 11/8/2018 9:32 pm : link
I guess it's good for fantasy guys. But I don't play fantasy. I just like seeing good games.

To me? This isn't fun.
RE: RE: Yay....  
Britt in VA : 11/8/2018 9:35 pm : link
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38 points in less than a half.

Let's see if we can get two or three more scores in.



Isn't this the same as complaining about a 3-0 half? Miami against the jets must Have been thrilling. 13-6 with a pick 6.


I actually prefer that style of game. Like Superbowl 42. 7-3 at halftime.

Or the time we played New England in Foxboro in 2011. 3-0 at halftime.

I like defense.
RE: RE: Yay....  
Gmen88 : 11/8/2018 9:35 pm : link
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38 points in less than a half.

Let's see if we can get two or three more scores in.



Isn't this the same as complaining about a 3-0 half? Miami against the jets must Have been thrilling. 13-6 with a pick 6.


I think a lot of people would be fine with a really good defensive game- the chess match. I would classify Fins-Jets as just sloppy O.

I think a good Offensive game also can be really good as long as the defense isnt terrible.
31-14 used to be a high final score.  
Britt in VA : 11/8/2018 9:36 pm : link
We're not even at halftime yet and it's possible there's going to be another score before we get there.
Seriously,  
Britt in VA : 11/8/2018 9:37 pm : link
this level of scorgasm is good for fantasy guys, but if you don't play fantasy, it's not a very good game.
RE: RE: Yay....  
dep026 : 11/8/2018 9:38 pm : link
In comment 14169465 MetsAreBack said:
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38 points in less than a half.

Let's see if we can get two or three more scores in.



Isn't this the same as complaining about a 3-0 half? Miami against the jets must Have been thrilling. 13-6 with a pick 6.


I think Thursday games produce low quality games because it must be nearly impossible for a defense to prepare for an offense especially a good offense like Pitt.
How was that not leading with the helmet...  
bw in dc : 11/8/2018 9:41 pm : link
by Watt?

It wasn't even a tackle. It was a helmet hit.
I know  
Les in TO : 11/8/2018 9:42 pm : link
It’s a shock that other teams are capable of scoring points. It’s amazing what a great QB can do for an offense
RE: I know  
dep026 : 11/8/2018 9:43 pm : link
In comment 14169474 Les in TO said:
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It’s a shock that other teams are capable of scoring points. It’s amazing what a great QB can do for an offense


Troll alert. Troll alert.

What a great throw there by Newton, right?
RE: Seriously,  
montanagiant : 11/8/2018 9:49 pm : link
In comment 14169471 Britt in VA said:
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this level of scorgasm is good for fantasy guys, but if you don't play fantasy, it's not a very good game.


LOL...I have to admit this is very true because I'm sitting here loving the fact that Antonio Brown has already gotten me 20.9 points by halftime
Steelers  
WillVAB : 11/8/2018 9:53 pm : link
Are an example of a team built the right way that is committed to a sound philosophy of team building. Unfortunate that the Giants couldn’t follow suit over the last decade given the relationship between the two franchises.
Hey Marky Mark  
B in ALB : 11/8/2018 9:56 pm : link
Can you expand on the time you and your friends physically attacked some minority kids and screamed racial epithets at them when you were younger? Any comments on your racist past?

No? Oh ok. Let's promote your latest horrible movie!

Fox.
Look at the creativity that Pitt  
B in ALB : 11/8/2018 10:09 pm : link
deploys on offense.

The Giants look like a fuckin peewee team compared to this.
RE: Hey Marky Mark  
bradshaw44 : 11/8/2018 10:09 pm : link
In comment 14169481 B in ALB said:
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Can you expand on the time you and your friends physically attacked some minority kids and screamed racial epithets at them when you were younger? Any comments on your racist past?

No? Oh ok. Let's promote your latest horrible movie!

Fox.


wtf?? I haven’t heard this story. What happened?
RE: Yay....  
GoBlue6599 : 11/8/2018 10:10 pm : link
In comment 14169463 Britt in VA said:
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38 points in less than a half.

Let's see if we can get two or three more scores in.

If you don't like Offense then Giants are a perfect team to watch. It seems like every other team in the NFL makes it look easy and the Giants with 1st round picks at TE WR and RB make it look impossible
Man that stadium has some empty seats.  
bradshaw44 : 11/8/2018 10:11 pm : link
That’s odd for a prime time Pittsburgh game.
Such a great guy  
B in ALB : 11/8/2018 10:12 pm : link
Mr America
Link - ( New Window )
That was a lot of ball movement  
dep026 : 11/8/2018 10:14 pm : link
It rolled up his freaking arm and there wasn’t even a review. LOL

NFL is such poor quality.
If only Cam was mobile  
montanagiant : 11/8/2018 10:15 pm : link
Be a different story
Trash Newton  
B in ALB : 11/8/2018 10:18 pm : link
Doing things never been done before.

Who was the guy who sweated Newton like no other? He was soaked in Cam nut sweat.

Dude is so overrated and isn't anywhere Superman. More like Subparman.
RE: Trash Newton  
dep026 : 11/8/2018 10:19 pm : link
In comment 14169494 B in ALB said:
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Doing things never been done before.

Who was the guy who sweated Newton like no other? He was soaked in Cam nut sweat.

Dude is so overrated and isn't anywhere Superman. More like Subparman.


MoM
Macdonald  
KWALL2 : 11/8/2018 10:21 pm : link
is really good when hes healthy. He runs hard. PIT offense is as good as any team (although that OL is overrated and the weakest part of the unit).
Newton having  
KWALL2 : 11/8/2018 10:22 pm : link
a very good year. He's playing good ball again.
RE: RE: Trash Newton  
B in ALB : 11/8/2018 10:23 pm : link
In comment 14169495 dep026 said:
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Doing things never been done before.

Who was the guy who sweated Newton like no other? He was soaked in Cam nut sweat.

Dude is so overrated and isn't anywhere Superman. More like Subparman.



MoM


That's right.

What dupe is he these days?

Newton is crazy overrated by virtually everyone especially trash media like ESPN and dick holes like Joe Bitch.
RE: Macdonald  
dep026 : 11/8/2018 10:24 pm : link
In comment 14169496 KWALL2 said:
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(although that OL is overrated and the weakest part of the unit).


No they are not. They are anything from it.
Where is Newton rated?  
KWALL2 : 11/8/2018 10:25 pm : link
Outside of the top 10 by most I'd say.

Eric Reid playing angry again.
Our OL  
dep026 : 11/8/2018 10:26 pm : link
Wouldn’t defend Eli like that because they would be in the ground and then whiff trying to hit the defender.
Love DeCastro  
JoeyBigBlue : 11/8/2018 10:26 pm : link
The guy is a fucking STUD Guard.
If Reid connects clean with that shot  
PetesHereNow : 11/8/2018 10:27 pm : link
That's definite concussion time. Wish Giants linemen would take up for our guys the way the PIT OL just did for Roethlisberger.
Steelers OTs  
KWALL2 : 11/8/2018 10:27 pm : link
are OK. Speaking of overrated? Meet Villanueva. Guy gets worked over often.
OK would be a vast upgrade from the shit we have now  
PetesHereNow : 11/8/2018 10:29 pm : link
I could make these throws with this kind of time.
Reid  
mattyblue : 11/8/2018 10:29 pm : link
totally deserved the boot there. He really went out of his way to even hit Roethlisberger there
Everything is an upgrade  
KWALL2 : 11/8/2018 10:29 pm : link
for NYG OL.
RE: Steelers OTs  
dep026 : 11/8/2018 10:31 pm : link
In comment 14169504 KWALL2 said:
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are OK. Speaking of overrated? Meet Villanueva. Guy gets worked over often.


Villuneuva looks like fucking Walter Jones compared to the shit we have put out there the last half decade.
RE: Where is Newton rated?  
WillVAB : 11/8/2018 10:31 pm : link
In comment 14169500 KWALL2 said:
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Outside of the top 10 by most I'd say.

Eric Reid playing angry again.


Newton is a shitty QB. Sick athlete, but shitty QB.
What does the NYG OL  
KWALL2 : 11/8/2018 10:31 pm : link
have to do with this?

Oh...is this about Eli again?
Big Ben having a great game  
GoBlue6599 : 11/8/2018 10:31 pm : link
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Watching that Pitt OL  
B in ALB : 11/8/2018 10:32 pm : link
Is pretty awesome.

Hernandez at least would stick up for Eli in that kind of situation.

Solder would be too busy checking his investment accounts.

And the rest of the line would be on their stomachs eating turf.
RE: What does the NYG OL  
PetesHereNow : 11/8/2018 10:34 pm : link
In comment 14169510 KWALL2 said:
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have to do with this?

Oh...is this about Eli again?


Not for me. I'm sick of watching other games and going, "well, 20 of their players start for us, without a problem."
RE: What does the NYG OL  
dep026 : 11/8/2018 10:35 pm : link
In comment 14169510 KWALL2 said:
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have to do with this?

Oh...is this about Eli again?


Cause we are fans of Giants and can compare what we are seeing tonight to what we have had for years.

I love how everything is about Eli with you. It’s youre go to move. Like it’s such a bad thing to wanting a dominating OL. I mean for fucks sake. I mean I know we are watching an overrated line where Ben was hit ONE time and has produced 100 yard rusher nearly EVERY week this year.

Analyst like that makes me wonder how you aren’t an executive in the league.
RE: RE: RE: Yay....  
markky : 11/8/2018 10:35 pm : link
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38 points in less than a half.

Let's see if we can get two or three more scores in.



Isn't this the same as complaining about a 3-0 half? Miami against the jets must Have been thrilling. 13-6 with a pick 6.



I actually prefer that style of game. Like Superbowl 42. 7-3 at halftime.

Or the time we played New England in Foxboro in 2011. 3-0 at halftime.

I like defense.


or the first half of the Panthers-Patriots Superbowl. that was a great defensive battle for the first half.
Thats the truth now Pete  
KWALL2 : 11/8/2018 10:37 pm : link
Our roster is awful. OL needs 4 starters. We don't have a pass rush outside of Vernon. LBs are below average. Perhaps the worst starting S in the league in Riley. No CB depth.

Long way to go.
funniest line of the day  
KWALL2 : 11/8/2018 10:38 pm : link
Dep telling somebody "its always about Eli with you".
52-14  
B in ALB : 11/8/2018 10:41 pm : link
With 14:50 to go?

Come on Superman!
RE: funniest line of the day  
dep026 : 11/8/2018 10:42 pm : link
In comment 14169520 KWALL2 said:
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Dep telling somebody "its always about Eli with you".


Another go to move.

About as moronic as saying that Pitts OL is overrated.
Steelers OL isn't dominating. Not close  
KWALL2 : 11/8/2018 10:42 pm : link
They struggle often and overmatched at times.
I'll say it again, after watching this game  
markky : 11/8/2018 10:42 pm : link
I just don't understand how our OL sucks so bad. It makes no sense. We should at least be mediocre.

You'd think our guys would accidentally block somebody once in a while. When they fall down they don't even fall in the way of anybody.
Is that worse than  
KWALL2 : 11/8/2018 10:42 pm : link
saying the PIT defense is one of the worst in the league?
RE: Steelers OL isn't dominating. Not close  
dep026 : 11/8/2018 10:43 pm : link
In comment 14169523 KWALL2 said:
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They struggle often and overmatched at times.


Lol.
RE: Macdonald  
Rjanyg : 11/8/2018 10:44 pm : link
In comment 14169496 KWALL2 said:
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is really good when hes healthy. He runs hard. PIT offense is as good as any team (although that OL is overrated and the weakest part of the unit).


You high? Please give me anyone of those OL. The Center and guards get movement and hold up real well in pass pro.
RE: Thats the truth now Pete  
PetesHereNow : 11/8/2018 10:44 pm : link
In comment 14169519 KWALL2 said:
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Our roster is awful. OL needs 4 starters. We don't have a pass rush outside of Vernon. LBs are below average. Perhaps the worst starting S in the league in Riley. No CB depth.

Long way to go.


Not sure how you go into a year with starters like Riley at FS. Part of me thinks Gettleman knew this year was all bad, and was just hoping that the OL would gel enough to give us a .500 season.

At minimum, if we say we can live with Solder/Hernandez, we would need 3 OL, another WR or 2, a 2nd TE, 2 LB's, a starting FS, and 2 CBs.

Yep, long way to go.

LOL?  
KWALL2 : 11/8/2018 10:45 pm : link
They has several rough games this year alone. The last few have been good. But they don't dominate.

They have average at best OTs who do get physically overmatched.

You can LOL all you want but this is just another subject where you think you know something.
RE: Is that worse than  
dep026 : 11/8/2018 10:45 pm : link
In comment 14169525 KWALL2 said:
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saying the PIT defense is one of the worst in the league?


Have they played well against a decent offense yet? Can’t play your own division in the playoffs.

RE: LOL?  
dep026 : 11/8/2018 10:46 pm : link
In comment 14169529 KWALL2 said:
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They has several rough games this year alone. The last few have been good. But they don't dominate.

They have average at best OTs who do get physically overmatched.

You can LOL all you want but this is just another subject where you think you know something.


Lol. Your about on point on this as you were with Corey Coleman.
Lat week they has a strong game vs BAL  
KWALL2 : 11/8/2018 10:46 pm : link
But the first matchup, BAL dominated the PIT OL. They had several bad games this year.,
Look at the Steelers D... swarming...up 52-14  
SHO'NUFF : 11/8/2018 10:47 pm : link
I thought Betcher was supposed to be good...so far, he's unimpressive.
Roethlisberger still a top QB and they have some weapons on O  
TD : 11/8/2018 10:48 pm : link
If the Steelers can play D in the playoffs this year, they’re as good as anyone. Really fun watching them play.

I watch their QB and OL with envy.. miss seeing good play from thise units. Amazing how you don’t need a generational RB to run the ball.. just a solid run blocking line and competent RB.
In the last 6 games  
dep026 : 11/8/2018 10:50 pm : link
Ben has been sacked 3 times and Connor has 4 100 yard games and would have had a 5th tonight but got hurt.

But yeah.... overrated.
Atlanta, Cin,  
KWALL2 : 11/8/2018 10:50 pm : link
Both very good offensive teams. PIT defense had a strong game vs both. Late scores made it closer but they crushed both.

CAR avg. 28 PPG. I'd call this a good game too.

Cincy sucks  
dep026 : 11/8/2018 10:52 pm : link
And got carolina at home on a short week.

Yawn. When Andy dalton is the best you got... why even respond?
Steelers OL  
WillVAB : 11/8/2018 10:54 pm : link
Isn’t “overmatched.” As a unit they’re one of the best OL in the league.
Steelers better franchise  
SHO'NUFF : 11/8/2018 10:54 pm : link
than the Giants?
RE: Steelers OL  
dep026 : 11/8/2018 10:55 pm : link
In comment 14169539 WillVAB said:
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Isn’t “overmatched.” As a unit they’re one of the best OL in the league.


They had one bad gsme this year!! Come on now. They are overrated!
...  
christian : 11/8/2018 11:00 pm : link
The constant Manning is worse, Manning is worse off dry humping of every thread is so boring. Especially from the guys who have great football opinions.
RE: Steelers OL isn't dominating. Not close  
EricJ : 11/8/2018 11:01 pm : link
In comment 14169523 KWALL2 said:
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They struggle often and overmatched at times.


Please tell me which offensive lines in the league are dominating? Can you count 4 or 5? I cant count 2.
It wasnt' 1 game  
KWALL2 : 11/8/2018 11:03 pm : link
They've played together for a long time.

Decastro is excellent. Pouncey is pretty good but nothing special. RT and LG are cheap and average players. Villanueva gets a lot of publicity but he's overrated.

Steelers don't pound the ball anymore. They struggle vs physical teams.

Scheme has opened up a lot more. It's a passing team with excellent pass catchers at WR, TE, and RB and a QB who's got it down and knows what to do.
Ben has been sacked 11 times this year  
dep026 : 11/8/2018 11:04 pm : link
And Connor has nearly 5 YPC.

But other than that... they struggle and often are dominated.
Pouncey ain’t special...  
dep026 : 11/8/2018 11:06 pm : link
Only a future HOF’er.... LMAO.
Hilarious hearing Aikman  
B in ALB : 11/8/2018 11:08 pm : link
defend Todd Haley as a coach. Home Fucking cooking. Awful.
RE: It wasnt' 1 game  
B in ALB : 11/8/2018 11:10 pm : link
In comment 14169545 KWALL2 said:
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They've played together for a long time.

Decastro is excellent. Pouncey is pretty good but nothing special. RT and LG are cheap and average players. Villanueva gets a lot of publicity but he's overrated.

Steelers don't pound the ball anymore. They struggle vs physical teams.

Scheme has opened up a lot more. It's a passing team with excellent pass catchers at WR, TE, and RB and a QB who's got it down and knows what to do.


Pouncey is nothing special?

Are you taking goofballs again?
The Eli homers are pissed seeing Big Ben have a good game  
GoBlue6599 : 11/8/2018 11:13 pm : link
Ben is going strong while Eli is on his way out of the league playing awful
Pouncey  
mattyblue : 11/8/2018 11:13 pm : link
is really good.
RE: LOL?  
Toth029 : 11/9/2018 1:06 am : link
In comment 14169529 KWALL2 said:
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They has several rough games this year alone. The last few have been good. But they don't dominate.

They have average at best OTs who do get physically overmatched.

You can LOL all you want but this is just another subject where you think you know something.

Convienrly they lose Bell and don't lose a run game. Ben gets incredible amount to throw unless he does his patented 20 million pump fakes.
Man  
santacruzom : 11/9/2018 1:28 am : link
Ben's still got it. Lucky ass Steeler fans.
Ben leads  
Les in TO : 11/9/2018 6:15 am : link
His team to 52 points and a win going 22 for 25 for over 300 yards and 5 TDs, a perfect passer rating, but it was all about his offensive line.
All the coverage of this game  
Leg of Theismann : 11/9/2018 6:16 am : link
Has been about how the Steelers proved they are for real and are super bowl contenders while the Panthers turned out to be frauds who completely suck. Even Buck and Aikman were saying after the game how they were "blown away" but the result. Why is no one noting the fact that regardless of the teams playing games like this seem to happen all the time on Thursday night and more often than not it is the visiting team that gets obliterated. I have no doubt this would have been a different game if, let's say, it was played on Sunday and/or Carolina was the home team. I can't imagine a team trying to gameplan to play an NFL team AND travel to another state in a span of 72 hours. No wonder we see so many awful games on Thursdays.

The Panthers will be back.
FWIW, Carolina's  
section125 : 11/9/2018 6:18 am : link
oline may have played worse than the Giants oline last night. At least it looked eerily similar. DEs and OLBs at the QB before he finishes his drop back.

Oh, and while Pitts line may not be the best, it is pretty damn good.
RE: Ben leads  
dep026 : 11/9/2018 6:21 am : link
In comment 14169571 Les in TO said:
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His team to 52 points and a win going 22 for 25 for over 300 yards and 5 TDs, a perfect passer rating, but it was all about his offensive line.


Are you implying they didn’t play well?
It’s amazing how QBs play  
dep026 : 11/9/2018 6:22 am : link
When they got hit once... ONCE. All game.
Benny gets more time to throw the ball on ONE play...  
M.S. : 11/9/2018 6:58 am : link

...than Eli gets for entire quarter.


No doubt in my mind Benny is a great QB...  
M.S. : 11/9/2018 7:00 am : link

...but if you don't think he has been playing behind an elite premier O-line for years, then you are not paying attention.
I think its histerical  
UberAlias : 11/9/2018 9:10 am : link
How you guys talk about Oline when what you're really talking about is the QB.
Comparing  
Doomster : 11/9/2018 9:11 am : link
what the Steelers did to Carolina vs what we did, just shows how far behind we are to being a contender....
RE: Comparing  
UberAlias : 11/9/2018 9:15 am : link
In comment 14169650 Doomster said:
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what the Steelers did to Carolina vs what we did, just shows how far behind we are to being a contender....
Sure, I suppose for those who weren't already convinced after 4 wins in 1.5 seasons.
THrse arguments are always funny  
UConn4523 : 11/9/2018 9:17 am : link
Ben has a much better oline but he’s also a better QB at this stage of he two careers. No idea why it’s so difficult to see and/or admit.
Sheesh, so the rapist had a super, perfect game.  
Big Blue '56 : 11/9/2018 9:19 am : link
Believe it or not, Eli has had some as well. BFD..Look at the othe Ben games with his INTs and his 80 throws a game and accumulated yardage. Again, BFD. They’re both HOFers, imo. Enough already
RE: Comparing  
The_Boss : 11/9/2018 9:20 am : link
In comment 14169650 Doomster said:
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what the Steelers did to Carolina vs what we did, just shows how far behind we are to being a contender....


I don’t agree with this take. Yeah we suck. We know it. But you can’t base our performance vs one team on the road vs what Carolina was up against last night (short week, travel, top opponent,etc).

RE: I think its histerical  
dep026 : 11/9/2018 9:22 am : link
In comment 14169648 UberAlias said:
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How you guys talk about Oline when what you're really talking about is the QB.


Watching the two teams last night should even solidfy how much of an improvement we need on the OL. Lets look at the two teams...

Cam Newton is overrated, IMO, but a QB who you can win with. He was awful last night. Pick 6, fumbled, sack every which way, and should have had at least 1-2 more picked as well. Now the pick 6 was obviously his fault, but he was just getting hammered left and right. It was ugly.

Ben had all day in the pocket. WRs were running wild in the secondary. He was hit once all night. Connor was well on his way to his 5th straight 100 yard and multiple TD game until he got banged up a little.

QBs need to get into rhythm. So do RBs. When the RB is getting hit 2-3 yards past the LOS. When the QB gets hit once a game.... you are going to see dominating results.

Its simple people. We need to fix the OL or create schemes that hides our OL inefficiencies. Hernandez is our OL who looks to be anything about bad. He has a future. The other 4 spots are either ineffective or just bad players.
RE: THrse arguments are always funny  
dep026 : 11/9/2018 9:23 am : link
In comment 14169663 UConn4523 said:
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Ben has a much better oline but he’s also a better QB at this stage of he two careers. No idea why it’s so difficult to see and/or admit.


He wouldnt be behind our OL. Not even close. As a matter of fact... he would have retired IMO if he had to play with a Giants type OL for the last 6 years.
Whatever you say man  
UConn4523 : 11/9/2018 9:24 am : link
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dep026 - I think you're on to something...  
UberAlias : 11/9/2018 9:25 am : link
We need to improve our Oline. Brilliant!
RE: dep026 - I think you're on to something...  
dep026 : 11/9/2018 9:26 am : link
In comment 14169675 UberAlias said:
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We need to improve our Oline. Brilliant!


Well you have posters who rather get a QB in the first round next year. That doesnt seem like trying to improve the OL first.
RE: Whatever you say man  
dep026 : 11/9/2018 9:29 am : link
In comment 14169673 UConn4523 said:
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Ok Ben would be as amazing with this OL...lol
RE: RE: dep026 - I think you're on to something...  
UberAlias : 11/9/2018 9:29 am : link
In comment 14169678 dep026 said:
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We need to improve our Oline. Brilliant!



Well you have posters who rather get a QB in the first round next year. That doesnt seem like trying to improve the OL first.
They are both huge needs. You don't often have the luxury for deciding when you select your QB. You have to take them when the opportunities are there. We aren't going to fix both this offseason unless we get very lucky.
RE: RE: RE: dep026 - I think you're on to something...  
dep026 : 11/9/2018 9:32 am : link
In comment 14169685 UberAlias said:
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They are both huge needs. You don't often have the luxury for deciding when you select your QB. You have to take them when the opportunities are there. We aren't going to fix both this offseason unless we get very lucky.


Actually I disagree. By fixing the OL, you help the QB. If the Qb next year is Lauletta or Bridgewater, or Winston, or a guy we take in the later rounds.... they will have more success by getting an OL that can actually block. You may not win the SB, but everyone gets better.... especially a kid named Saquon Barkley.

Putting Justin Herbert behind this OL...... well, good luck.
RE: RE: Whatever you say man  
UConn4523 : 11/9/2018 9:35 am : link
In comment 14169684 dep026 said:
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Ok Ben would be as amazing with this OL...lol


And that’s you putting words in my mouth. Eli stinks, time to get over it and move on. Ever single thread that has nothing to do with Eli has you injecting a comment about Eli without Eli’s name attached to it.

He stinks now. A perfect OLine is required for him to be an adequate QB and we don’t have one. Other QBs aroundyhr league are having much more success with bad oline s. What’s so hard to grasp about this?

When you dig in you really dig in.
dep  
Kyle in NY : 11/9/2018 9:36 am : link
I thought you were trying to get in less arguments this time around? Every single primetime game thread now is just you dug in arguing with everybody. Is this enjoyable for you?
That may be better for next year  
UberAlias : 11/9/2018 9:37 am : link
Very likely it will. Except they shouldn't be building for next year -we're not a year away. They should be drafting with an eye on long term sustained success.
Yes wanting a better OL  
dep026 : 11/9/2018 9:38 am : link
and saying Pitts OL is a big reason for their success is all about Eli.

This place fucking blows. When Eli retires, Eric will need to generate more members cause most people wont know what to talk about.
RE: That may be better for next year  
dep026 : 11/9/2018 9:38 am : link
In comment 14169708 UberAlias said:
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Very likely it will. Except they shouldn't be building for next year -we're not a year away. They should be drafting with an eye on long term sustained success.


And that is drafting OL, IMO.
Well,  
Doomster : 11/9/2018 9:39 am : link
RE: Comparing
UberAlias : 9:15 am : link : reply
In comment 14169650 Doomster said:
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what the Steelers did to Carolina vs what we did, just shows how far behind we are to being a contender....
Sure, I suppose for those who weren't already convinced after 4 wins in 1.5 seasons.


And yet, we still get posts where all of a sudden we will be contenders next season...


And there is this:
RE: Comparing
The_Boss : 9:20 am : link : reply
In comment 14169650 Doomster said:
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what the Steelers did to Carolina vs what we did, just shows how far behind we are to being a contender....


I don’t agree with this take. Yeah we suck. We know it. But you can’t base our performance vs one team on the road vs what Carolina was up against last night (short week, travel, top opponent,etc).

What better way to compare teams than common opponents? Especially, how your OL and DL played against the same team?
RE: dep  
dep026 : 11/9/2018 9:39 am : link
In comment 14169705 Kyle in NY said:
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I thought you were trying to get in less arguments this time around? Every single primetime game thread now is just you dug in arguing with everybody. Is this enjoyable for you?


Place sucks sometimes. What can you do.
Doomster  
UberAlias : 11/9/2018 9:40 am : link
Some folks are in denial, clearly.
RE: RE: RE: RE: dep026 - I think you're on to something...  
The_Boss : 11/9/2018 9:40 am : link
In comment 14169692 dep026 said:
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They are both huge needs. You don't often have the luxury for deciding when you select your QB. You have to take them when the opportunities are there. We aren't going to fix both this offseason unless we get very lucky.



Actually I disagree. By fixing the OL, you help the QB. If the Qb next year is Lauletta or Bridgewater, or Winston, or a guy we take in the later rounds.... they will have more success by getting an OL that can actually block. You may not win the SB, but everyone gets better.... especially a kid named Saquon Barkley.

Putting Justin Herbert behind this OL...... well, good luck.


Herbert wouldn’t get behind this OL configuration. I don’t get why you think he would? This OL won’t exist past week 17. You think the NYG won’t be pouring premium resources into this unit next spring? There’s FA and the draft is 7 rounds, not 1.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: dep026 - I think you're on to something...  
dep026 : 11/9/2018 9:42 am : link
In comment 14169720 The_Boss said:
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They are both huge needs. You don't often have the luxury for deciding when you select your QB. You have to take them when the opportunities are there. We aren't going to fix both this offseason unless we get very lucky.



Actually I disagree. By fixing the OL, you help the QB. If the Qb next year is Lauletta or Bridgewater, or Winston, or a guy we take in the later rounds.... they will have more success by getting an OL that can actually block. You may not win the SB, but everyone gets better.... especially a kid named Saquon Barkley.

Putting Justin Herbert behind this OL...... well, good luck.



Herbert wouldn’t get behind this OL configuration. I don’t get why you think he would? This OL won’t exist past week 17. You think the NYG won’t be pouring premium resources into this unit next spring? There’s FA and the draft is 7 rounds, not 1.


Free agency like this past year? How did that turn out?
How did Erick Flowers turn out?  
UberAlias : 11/9/2018 9:43 am : link
Bad choices don't work regardless of the strategy.
RE: Doomster  
The_Boss : 11/9/2018 9:44 am : link
In comment 14169719 UberAlias said:
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Some folks are in denial, clearly.


How am I in denial? I said the team blows. And, spoiler alert, until we field nfl level players along the OL and at QB, we’ll likely continue to suck the cock.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: dep026 - I think you're on to something...  
The_Boss : 11/9/2018 9:45 am : link
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They are both huge needs. You don't often have the luxury for deciding when you select your QB. You have to take them when the opportunities are there. We aren't going to fix both this offseason unless we get very lucky.



Actually I disagree. By fixing the OL, you help the QB. If the Qb next year is Lauletta or Bridgewater, or Winston, or a guy we take in the later rounds.... they will have more success by getting an OL that can actually block. You may not win the SB, but everyone gets better.... especially a kid named Saquon Barkley.

Putting Justin Herbert behind this OL...... well, good luck.



Herbert wouldn’t get behind this OL configuration. I don’t get why you think he would? This OL won’t exist past week 17. You think the NYG won’t be pouring premium resources into this unit next spring? There’s FA and the draft is 7 rounds, not 1.



Free agency like this past year? How did that turn out?


You don’t need to tell me bro. I loathe Gettleman.
RE: How did Erick Flowers turn out?  
dep026 : 11/9/2018 9:47 am : link
In comment 14169729 UberAlias said:
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Bad choices don't work regardless of the strategy.


Its always a chance. But we need 3 (well 4, Solder isnt going anywhere unfortunatley) new OL. We dont have a 3rd round pick. The FA OL pool is very thin this year IMO.

You can be serviceable with upgrades on the OL and a FA QB or just go with Lauletta.
Dep, let me ask you a question...  
UberAlias : 11/9/2018 9:52 am : link
What has a greater value to the organization, in your eyes, over the long term. A franchise QB, or a single Olinemen?

One word answer.
RE: Dep, let me ask you a question...  
dep026 : 11/9/2018 9:54 am : link
In comment 14169743 UberAlias said:
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What has a greater value to the organization, in your eyes, over the long term. A franchise QB, or a single Olinemen?

One word answer.


QB.

Now let me ask you a question one word answer. If you swing and miss on a pick with a top pick - who has a greater negative effect on your future...

QB or OL.
Missing on the QB would be worse  
UberAlias : 11/9/2018 10:00 am : link
But so is the cost for blowing the opportunity if you pass on a good one. Good opportunities don't come often, which is why teams will go to such lengths to land their guy when they have the chance.
RE: Missing on the QB would be worse  
dep026 : 11/9/2018 10:06 am : link
In comment 14169765 UberAlias said:
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But so is the cost for blowing the opportunity if you pass on a good one. Good opportunities don't come often, which is why teams will go to such lengths to land their guy when they have the chance.


I agree with you. But here's 2 things I think (I could be wrong its just my opinion.)

1. I dont think there is a blue chip in this draft.
2. I think our OL is so bad that even with one, he wouldnt be able to reach their potential.

I know people can say 'hey, you can fix the OL through later rounds and through FA"..... we have been trying to do that for how many years now and it keeps getting worse and worse.
RE: RE: Dep, let me ask you a question...  
ron mexico : 11/9/2018 10:26 am : link
In comment 14169750 dep026 said:
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What has a greater value to the organization, in your eyes, over the long term. A franchise QB, or a single Olinemen?

One word answer.



QB.

Now let me ask you a question one word answer. If you swing and miss on a pick with a top pick - who has a greater negative effect on your future...

QB or OL.


All else equal, its the same impact. Thats why would should (and teams do so often) take a shot at a QB.
Loser mentality saying if we miss on a top QB we set ourselves back  
TD : 11/9/2018 12:10 pm : link
If we don’t even take a chance in selecting a top QB, we miss guaranteed and remain in QB hell.

Gotta take a shot at a top QB in this draft if one is there when we pick (Herbert). If we take him and he’s looking bad in year two or three, we try again. Hell, if we end up top 3 picking again in 2020 and Tua or someone great is there - even with Herbert on board already - I’d take him and let them battle it out. Loser gets flipped for a juicy draft package in 2021.

The QB position is so much more important to a team’s succuess than is any other position. It’s worth investing your top assets in until you get it right. We have no QB right now - our #1 goal should be to get one.
RE: RE: Missing on the QB would be worse  
UberAlias : 11/9/2018 1:09 pm : link
In comment 14169779 dep026 said:
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But so is the cost for blowing the opportunity if you pass on a good one. Good opportunities don't come often, which is why teams will go to such lengths to land their guy when they have the chance.



I agree with you. But here's 2 things I think (I could be wrong its just my opinion.)

1. I dont think there is a blue chip in this draft.
2. I think our OL is so bad that even with one, he wouldnt be able to reach their potential.

I know people can say 'hey, you can fix the OL through later rounds and through FA"..... we have been trying to do that for how many years now and it keeps getting worse and worse.
If there isn't the guy QB for you, then you don't take one just to take one. As I said, good opportunities don't come very often, and simply having a high draft pick doesn't guarantee there is a guy worth taking. Truth is, this team need a strategy to fix the Oline and address QB and isn't likely a one year plan. They can use top pick on a blue chipper just about anywhere and use remainder of draft and FA to address needs. But if a QB you have conviction for is there, I think you have to take him.
RE: RE: RE: Missing on the QB would be worse  
dep026 : 11/9/2018 1:12 pm : link
In comment 14170055 UberAlias said:
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But so is the cost for blowing the opportunity if you pass on a good one. Good opportunities don't come often, which is why teams will go to such lengths to land their guy when they have the chance.



I agree with you. But here's 2 things I think (I could be wrong its just my opinion.)

1. I dont think there is a blue chip in this draft.
2. I think our OL is so bad that even with one, he wouldnt be able to reach their potential.

I know people can say 'hey, you can fix the OL through later rounds and through FA"..... we have been trying to do that for how many years now and it keeps getting worse and worse.

If there isn't the guy QB for you, then you don't take one just to take one. As I said, good opportunities don't come very often, and simply having a high draft pick doesn't guarantee there is a guy worth taking. Truth is, this team need a strategy to fix the Oline and address QB and isn't likely a one year plan. They can use top pick on a blue chipper just about anywhere and use remainder of draft and FA to address needs. But if a QB you have conviction for is there, I think you have to take him.


And now theres a ton of merit to this. But I wonder if the FO is looking at 2020 QBs and thinking if we suck again next year (which is very likely) they wait until then.
If there isn't a QB that Gettleman likes in the next draft  
Jimmy Googs : 11/9/2018 1:17 pm : link
I am fine taking an offensive lineman with every single pick...
RE: If there isn't a QB that Gettleman likes in the next draft  
dep026 : 11/9/2018 1:20 pm : link
In comment 14170064 Jimmy Googs said:
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I am fine taking an offensive lineman with every single pick...


Amen.
RE: RE: If there isn't a QB that Gettleman likes in the next draft  
Cap'n Bluebeard : 11/9/2018 3:39 pm : link
In comment 14170067 dep026 said:
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I am fine taking an offensive lineman with every single pick...



Amen.


Holy shit, is this the end of days? Dep and Googs in agreement with one another?

When he agrees with my thoughts  
Jimmy Googs : 11/9/2018 4:36 pm : link
Dep can be very astute...
RE: Benny gets more time to throw the ball on ONE play...  
Eman11 : 11/9/2018 5:03 pm : link
In comment 14169582 M.S. said:
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...than Eli gets for entire quarter.



Agreed. There was one play last night where he had so much time he was standing flat footed back there in a huge pocket, just surveying the field, with not a care in the world or in any type of hurry. The pocket was so big it looked as if the play had been blown dead and he was just standing there. Then he found AB about 20 yds down the middle and just threw a strike for the long gain.

RE: When he agrees with my thoughts  
dep026 : 11/9/2018 5:15 pm : link
In comment 14170272 Jimmy Googs said:
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Dep can be very astute...


Damn right...


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