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Leg of Theismann : 11/9/2018 3:22 am
Looking for trade advice in non-PPR league, trade deadline is 11/10...

This league is 2 QB, 2 WR, 2 RB, 1 TE, 2 Flex.

WR: Adam Thielen, Michael Thomas, Mike Evans, Robert Woods, Julian Edelman
RB: McCaffrey, White, Carson
TE: Cook, Engram

My depth at WR is definitely going to help me the next couple of weeks with players on byes (Thielen this week, Edelman in week 11, and Woods in week 12). I'm 5-4 and need every win I can get. But I'm still thinking the logical thing to do here is trade a WR for a TE before the deadline, otherwise I'm going to have to watch Edelman score 10-15 points every week on the bench down the stretch...

I tried offering Evans for Kelce, and was turned down, the guy said he wanted Michael Thomas for Kelce, and I thought that was just a little too much. What do you guys think about that?

OK, so I had another thought. I saw on one guy's team he has both Olsen and Ertz. The rest of his team looks like this:

WR: Tyreek Hill, Marvin Jones, Randall Cobb
RB: Gurley, Tevin Coleman, Tarik Cohen, Dion Lewis, Lamar Miller
TE: Ertz, Olsen

So I figure he certainly needs help at WR. I offered him 2 separate trades earlier today: Edelman for Ertz, and Woods for Ertz. I have not heard back from him yet.

My question is: If he doesn't accept either trade, then I might go one step further and offer Evans for Ertz. Is that giving up too much?

Another thing to note here is that my toughest weeks in terms of opponents are 11, 13, and then obviously 15 and 16 (playoffs, if I make it). In those weeks, Evans has his toughest matchups: Giants, Panthers, Ravens, and Cowboys, respectively. Looking at that schedule, especially the playoffs, I actually started to think I'd almost rather have Woods than Evans (almost).

Thanks in advance for everyone's input, and aside from my questions re: Thomas-for-Kelce and Evans/Edelman/Woods-for-Ertz, if you can think of any other moves I can make to fix my TE woes I am all ears. Thanks!
Ertz  
mdthedream : 11/9/2018 6:07 am : link
is a top TE esp in non ppr he scores tds. So no its not to much.
RB ??  
OBJRoyal : 11/9/2018 7:09 am : link
Have 4 rb's for one spot

Mixon vs New Orleans
Howard vs Detroit
Mack vs Jacksonville
Chubb vs Atlanta

Mixon has a tough matchup, but no Green could help
Chicago should handle Detroit, so Howard could get more run
Mack at home and favored to win
Game could get away from the Browns, and that would work against Chubb even in a good matchup
Mixon or Chubb  
UConn4523 : 11/9/2018 7:32 am : link
Probably Mixon since he’s the best of the 4 players.
As an ertz owner,  
Keith : 11/9/2018 7:34 am : link
I wouldn’t consider those trades. You could make the argument that ertz and Kelce are two of the most valuable guys in the game. They are so much better than the average TE started. Huge advantage almost every week.
I do however think Evans  
Keith : 11/9/2018 7:38 am : link
for ertz is a good trade for you and might get him thinking.
Ertz has had TDs poached..  
EricJ : 11/9/2018 7:42 am : link
by their other TE.
...and he’s still  
Keith : 11/9/2018 7:45 am : link
the best TE In fantasy. He had his bye already and averages more per week than Kelce. The difference is negligible however, so he’s either the best or a very close second.
Evans may help  
pjcas18 : 11/9/2018 7:50 am : link
him, but he's been a significant disappointment IMO.

He's been under 10 points more times this year (3) than he's been over 20 (2) in standard leagues and he has found the end zone just once in his past 5 games.

If I owned Ertz I would not trade him for Evans.

But I'd definitely try it if I were you, worst case is he rejects it, best case he counters with something reasonable.


I think you need another RB  
YAJ2112 : 11/9/2018 8:12 am : link
a lot more than you need a TE
I disagree with that,  
Keith : 11/9/2018 8:38 am : link
but you can certainly use a RB.
RE: I disagree with that,  
UConn4523 : 11/9/2018 8:42 am : link
In comment 14169631 Keith said:
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but you can certainly use a RB.


Same, those RBs are just fine. Upgrade the TE if possible, the difference between Ertz and Cook/Engram is massive.
So I went to bed at half time since I get up at 5 am.  
superspynyg : 11/9/2018 10:08 am : link
I had Brown and Connor going. Brown had 100 yards and 1 td (non ppr) with 5 points for over 100 yards and 1 point 40+ yrd TD in my league that gives him 22 points.
When I woke up I saw that Brown lost 4 yards for 16 points and Connor is in Concussion protocol. NUTS...

With Bell back next week, Connor out comes at the worst time. Please be cleared very soon Connor..
It actually could work out really well for Bell owners and for the  
Keith : 11/9/2018 10:10 am : link
Steelers. It would be really easy to incorporate Bell back into the mix if Connor was out. It would be much tougher with a healthy Conner.
RE: So I went to bed at half time since I get up at 5 am.  
pjcas18 : 11/9/2018 10:13 am : link
In comment 14169784 superspynyg said:
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I had Brown and Connor going. Brown had 100 yards and 1 td (non ppr) with 5 points for over 100 yards and 1 point 40+ yrd TD in my league that gives him 22 points.
When I woke up I saw that Brown lost 4 yards for 16 points and Connor is in Concussion protocol. NUTS...

With Bell back next week, Connor out comes at the worst time. Please be cleared very soon Connor..


I had Conner and McCaffrey going. After the first quarter I thought my contest would be a laugher. McCaffrey wound up with a great game, but Conner getting the concussion probably took away 10 - 15 points from his total.

Still probably be a W, but I might sweat a little.

Hope Conner is back next week and the rest helps him otherwise it solidly opens the door for Bell to obsolete Conner if that door wasn't already open.

Not the end of the world on that team. My RB's are Barkley, McCaffrey, Conner, and Cook but I'd rather he keep his lead back status.
Friggin Antonio Brown  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/9/2018 10:21 am : link
missed 100-yard bonus by 4.
Not sure I'd call his RB situation fine  
YAJ2112 : 11/9/2018 11:21 am : link
it's not horrible, but he's in a non-PPR where he could start 4 RBs. He's only got 3 on the roster. Carson is already likely out this week and is a big time injury risk going forward. White's value will take a hit from it's peak of the last 2 weeks with Michel back and Burkhead on the way. He needs TDs to hit double digits in a non-PPR and Michel will definitely eat into that again.

His TEs aren't great, but if he's trading away WR depth he would be better served getting another RB than a TE.
Didn't notice the non-PPR.  
Keith : 11/9/2018 11:23 am : link
Def needs a RB. Needs a TE just as much, maybe he can get both with Evans, just not the top tier guys.
Is Mike Davis or Rashad Penny  
dep026 : 11/9/2018 11:33 am : link
worth a pickup for this week? How long is Carson expected out?
Do people like non-PPR leagues?  
Keith : 11/9/2018 11:34 am : link
I don't know why people do those.
Davis is definitely worth a pickup for this week  
YAJ2112 : 11/9/2018 11:37 am : link
Penny is worth a stash if you have a roster spot to burn. You have to figure at some point they give him a shot, even if it ends up being by default because of injuries.
I hate non-PPR  
YAJ2112 : 11/9/2018 11:38 am : link
but I'm in a couple. So much of it is TD luck and it brings K/D into the equation more as well.
FitzMagic against the Skins or Wentz against the 'Boys?  
Heisenberg : 11/9/2018 11:42 am : link
..
I don't like non-ppr  
pjcas18 : 11/9/2018 11:44 am : link
but one league I'm in the majority of the league does, so we have a non-ppr league.

Just so happens I'm crushing that league.

I need a WR though.

It's also 4 pt per passing TD, which I think doesn't make sense either. I prefer 6pt per passing TD since it's more like football where your QB is the most valuable player on your team. I think it's incongruous to have a QB get 2 pts for a 2-pt conversion but 4 for a TD pass.

and that league also has -2 for a INT which I don't think makes sense if you're only going to have 4pts per passing TD.

But what happens in that league is teams overdraft QB's which helps me.
PPR league- RB Help- Need to pick two  
djz9176 : 11/9/2018 11:49 am : link
Marlon Mack vs JAC
Dion Lewis vs NE
Jordan Howard vs DET

Thanks so much
RE: PPR league- RB Help- Need to pick two  
Heisenberg : 11/9/2018 12:17 pm : link
In comment 14169962 djz9176 said:
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Marlon Mack vs JAC
Dion Lewis vs NE
Jordan Howard vs DET

Thanks so much


Mack and Lewis for me
I would wait for an update  
Keith : 11/9/2018 12:22 pm : link
on Mack today before anything.
RE: FitzMagic against the Skins or Wentz against the 'Boys?  
allstarjim : 11/9/2018 1:00 pm : link
In comment 14169947 Heisenberg said:
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Wentz. It will always be Wentz no matter the matchup between those two.
RE: Do people like non-PPR leagues?  
JayBinQueens : 11/9/2018 1:01 pm : link
In comment 14169929 Keith said:
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I don't know why people do those.

That's how most people who do auction drafts feel about snake drafts.


Leg of Theismann  
allstarjim : 11/9/2018 1:01 pm : link
Include Cook in the deal with Woods and offer for Ertz. I would still probably say no but because he has Olsen also he might go for it.

RE: Do people like non-PPR leagues?  
allstarjim : 11/9/2018 1:05 pm : link
In comment 14169929 Keith said:
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I don't know why people do those.


I prefer non-PPR leagues. Logically, a 2-yard reception should not be worth .5-1 fantasy point more than a 2 yard run.

I think a better system would be a "point per first down," rewarding players that help extend drives, rather than just for making a catch. A catch could even be a negative play, I've never thought that was a good measure for scoring.
RE: RE: PPR league- RB Help- Need to pick two  
allstarjim : 11/9/2018 1:06 pm : link
In comment 14169994 Heisenberg said:
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In comment 14169962 djz9176 said:


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Marlon Mack vs JAC
Dion Lewis vs NE
Jordan Howard vs DET

Thanks so much



Mack and Lewis for me


Obviously if Mack plays he should be in your lineup. Being that it's a PPR leaugue, Dion Lewis should get the other spot, but I would give Howard the slight edge in standard.
RE: RE: Do people like non-PPR leagues?  
YAJ2112 : 11/9/2018 1:11 pm : link
In comment 14170052 allstarjim said:
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In comment 14169929 Keith said:


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I don't know why people do those.



I prefer non-PPR leagues. Logically, a 2-yard reception should not be worth .5-1 fantasy point more than a 2 yard run.

I think a better system would be a "point per first down," rewarding players that help extend drives, rather than just for making a catch. A catch could even be a negative play, I've never thought that was a good measure for scoring.


I've thought about going to the point per first down scoring instead of PPR as well. It does feel like a better reward for in game impact. Be interesting to see what it would do to scoring to go from a full PPR to a full PPFD, or to go to .5 for each.
The thing that is the most off in PPR  
pjcas18 : 11/9/2018 1:16 pm : link
is I think even a negative play still gives the player 1 pt for the reception.

I think a point per first down would maybe be more equitable.

You can go a whole game against a RB like Kamara and see wow he's got 2 catches and 40 yards rushing he was held in check and then he gets 6 catches for 60 yards in the last drive on dump offs and that's and 18 point day (when he has a bad day).

Look at Barkley's #'s, in PPR he has been below 20 pts once all year in my PPR league.

I like PPR for the same reasons I think it's inequitable - because I try and get those players who benefit the most from that system.
My RBs are fine even for non-ppr  
Leg of Theismann : 11/9/2018 2:15 pm : link
McCaffrey and White are both top 10 RBs even in non-ppr, and I have Carson who puts up RB1 numbers when 100% healthy. Thomas and Thielen are fine WR1s and then my flex is Evans, Woods, Edelman (bench). Even in non-ppr Woods and Evans have been awesome in the flex. Fantasy is different than it used to be with teams throwing the ball so much and more teams using a “RB committee“ approach. Even in non-ppr you can get by with 2 good RB1s and go WR in your flex spots as long as the volume is there. TE is the one giant hole in my roster right now as far as points go.
RE: ...and he’s still  
Leg of Theismann : 11/9/2018 2:18 pm : link
In comment 14169607 Keith said:
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the best TE In fantasy. He had his bye already and averages more per week than Kelce. The difference is negligible however, so he’s either the best or a very close second.


I’m guessing you’re referring to ppr here. In non-ppr there is a material difference... Kelce has 110 pts and Ertz has 80 pts
Yeah my bad,  
Keith : 11/9/2018 2:20 pm : link
I missed that part.
RE: Not sure I'd call his RB situation fine  
Leg of Theismann : 11/9/2018 2:27 pm : link
In comment 14169914 YAJ2112 said:
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it's not horrible, but he's in a non-PPR where he could start 4 RBs. He's only got 3 on the roster. Carson is already likely out this week and is a big time injury risk going forward. White's value will take a hit from it's peak of the last 2 weeks with Michel back and Burkhead on the way. He needs TDs to hit double digits in a non-PPR and Michel will definitely eat into that again.

His TEs aren't great, but if he's trading away WR depth he would be better served getting another RB than a TE.


“Could start 4 RBs”... Woods has more points than Mixon, David Johnson, Crowell... why would I want to start 4 RBs when my WRs are producing like 12/13 points per game average? I’m not going to be able to get anything better than Mixon or Johnson AND be able to fill my TE hole. I think it’s clear TE is what I need to address more so than RB. I need a TE no matter what, the way I see it it’s the opposite- I don’t have to start more than 2 RBs if I don’t want to (as opposed to thinking I “could be starting” 4 RBs).
RE: RE: Not sure I'd call his RB situation fine  
YAJ2112 : 11/9/2018 2:45 pm : link
In comment 14170142 Leg of Theismann said:
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In comment 14169914 YAJ2112 said:


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it's not horrible, but he's in a non-PPR where he could start 4 RBs. He's only got 3 on the roster. Carson is already likely out this week and is a big time injury risk going forward. White's value will take a hit from it's peak of the last 2 weeks with Michel back and Burkhead on the way. He needs TDs to hit double digits in a non-PPR and Michel will definitely eat into that again.

His TEs aren't great, but if he's trading away WR depth he would be better served getting another RB than a TE.



“Could start 4 RBs”... Woods has more points than Mixon, David Johnson, Crowell... why would I want to start 4 RBs when my WRs are producing like 12/13 points per game average? I’m not going to be able to get anything better than Mixon or Johnson AND be able to fill my TE hole. I think it’s clear TE is what I need to address more so than RB. I need a TE no matter what, the way I see it it’s the opposite- I don’t have to start more than 2 RBs if I don’t want to (as opposed to thinking I “could be starting” 4 RBs).


Woods 11.3 PPG in a non-PPR.
Mixon is averaging 15.4.
DJ is averaging 12.
No one in their right mind would argue for Crowell, so no idea why you would bring him up.
Trade Advise needed  
GiantTuff1 : 11/9/2018 6:32 pm : link
12 team keeper league, 5 keepers. Can't keep picks from 1st 3 rounds previous year... sliding penalty scale based on where you selected keepers last year.

My team:
QB: Wentz, Fitzmagic
RB: Gordon III, McCaffrey, Ekeler, R. Freeman, D. Freeman (IR), D. Foreman (PUP)
WR: Beckum, J. Gordon, Golloday, D. Thomas, J. Brown, D. Parker
TE: Graham, Engram


I'm 5-4, and I need a stronger FLEX play, so I have my eye on trying to deal for a RB, cause if one of my top RB's goes down I could be in trouble.

One 6-3 team is absolutely stacked at RB.
He has Zeke, J. White, Chubb, D. Cook, S. Michel, G. Bernard, D. Booker
He will deal anyone except Zeke and Cook.

He's a little weaker at WR, where he could use more depth
He has T. Hill, A Jeffrey, Amendola, Stills, Allison (IR)

I've been speaking with him about moving Golloday possibly for a RB.
I like Chubb cause he can be kept, and the Browns appear committed to him after trading away Hyde. I also like White as a hedge (and keeper purposes) and would love to put a deal together to get both.

The question is, is Golloday for Chubb a good move for me?
And what package can I put together to entice him to include White.


Other wildcard is I'm speaking with another owner about Fournette and him tossing in a young keeper like Sutton or Moore... is Fournette buyer beware, or way better than Chubb? Fournette cannot be kept.
Owner wants Golloday and swap of a pick in the 3-5 round range... which I think is kinda steep, but curious to others thoughts.
RE: Trade Advise needed  
EricJ : 11/9/2018 8:20 pm : link
In comment 14170362 GiantTuff1 said:
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The question is, is Golloday for Chubb a good move for me?
And what package can I put together to entice him to include White.


Other wildcard is I'm speaking with another owner about Fournette and him tossing in a young keeper like Sutton or Moore... is Fournette buyer beware, or way better than Chubb? Fournette cannot be kept.
Owner wants Golloday and swap of a pick in the 3-5 round range... which I think is kinda steep, but curious to others thoughts.


I think Chubb is the best of the three right now for next season. Fournette is by far the best if healthy but the guy is never healthy. Golladay is worthless.
Someone in my league just dropped burton  
jgambrosio : 11/10/2018 9:45 am : link
Who would you drop for the balance of the season if I can get him on a claim? Herndon with a new QB or engram?
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