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Check out Rosenthal's QB evaluations

Doomster : 11/9/2018 9:27 am
and thoughts on QB's who might not be playing for their teams next year.....

ON Eli:
"Eli Manning may have to make the uncomfortable decision about whether to retire or keep playing if the Giants finally cut bait."

As for his rankings, Brady 11th?
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He says his rankings are based  
pjcas18 : 11/9/2018 9:30 am : link
on 2018 play alone.
To each their own...  
bw in dc : 11/9/2018 9:34 am : link
but Cousins at #7 ???
What are Rosenthal's credentials to  
ATL_Giants : 11/9/2018 9:35 am : link
evaluate QBs again?

He was a Fantasy Football writer for Rotoworld.
Football credentials  
Matt G : 11/9/2018 9:41 am : link
football credentials...  
Mike in St. Louis : 11/9/2018 9:58 am : link


Nothing unusual on that list  
5BowlsSoon : 11/9/2018 10:09 am : link
Sure you can nit pick one or two but no big deal. Any of us can make a list that can be just as logical.
would you take Flaco as a stop gap?  
ron mexico : 11/9/2018 10:11 am : link
I wonder what type of contract he would get if he gets released.

No.  
Keith : 11/9/2018 10:13 am : link
Flacco, while better than Eli at this point in his career, its also a bit of a statue in the pocket. I hope the Giants understand that the game is changing and you need a guy with mobility.
Flacco would be a big step backwards  
jcn56 : 11/9/2018 10:15 am : link
No thanks.
Flacco is a terrible  
dep026 : 11/9/2018 10:16 am : link
QB.

If he wasnt a nutcase, I'd consider Winston cause he at least has talent at this point of his career.
RE: Flacco is a terrible  
section125 : 11/9/2018 10:18 am : link
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QB.

If he wasnt a nutcase, I'd consider Winston cause he at least has talent at this point of his career.


Maybe if Winston was removed from his stomping grounds in FLA he settles out...but NFW Mara goes for that.

Maybe Gruden takes him. Gruden liked him when he did is QB thing for ESPN.
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dep026 : 11/9/2018 10:22 am : link
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QB.

If he wasnt a nutcase, I'd consider Winston cause he at least has talent at this point of his career.



Maybe if Winston was removed from his stomping grounds in FLA he settles out...but NFW Mara goes for that.

Maybe Gruden takes him. Gruden liked him when he did is QB thing for ESPN.


I really am warming up to Winston on a 1-2 year deal. I mean, can it actually get worse?

I am tired of the notion that we cant take on players with risks because they arent Giant players. You know what... this team is full of non-Giants player and has been for longer than Mara realizes.
Don't waste cap dollars on a QB  
Chip : 11/9/2018 10:27 am : link
who Is not the answer. Draft a young QB and fix the OL. Winston Bridgewater Carr are not the long term solution.
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dep026 : 11/9/2018 10:30 am : link
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who Is not the answer. Draft a young QB and fix the OL. Winston Bridgewater Carr are not the long term solution.


So are you saying we didnt waste dollars in fixing the OL this free agency? We gave out one of the worst cotnracts in the history of the NFL and another decent chunk to a guy who has already been benched.
RE: Flacco is a terrible  
djm : 11/9/2018 10:31 am : link
In comment 14169804 dep026 said:
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QB.

If he wasnt a nutcase, I'd consider Winston cause he at least has talent at this point of his career.


Flacco takes shits that are better than Winston. Talent? Flacco was, is and will always be better than Winston. Winston is hot garbage even if there might be some wacky perception that he has a higher ceiling. He sucks and he’s weird.

Not that I want Flacco here.... I’d rather we just draft a kid but something tells me the giants are going to release Eli and sign a vet FA qb.
What happened to Flacco?  
Big Blue '56 : 11/9/2018 10:32 am : link
Up to and including his SB win, he made the playoffs every year and had some clutch performances. I don’t believe he ever fully recovered (mental?) from his surgery. Lack of a feature type back that he had enjoyed, also has to factor in, imo..
RE: What happened to Flacco?  
dep026 : 11/9/2018 10:34 am : link
In comment 14169830 Big Blue '56 said:
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Up to and including his SB win, he made the playoffs every year and had some clutch performances. I don’t believe he ever fully recovered (mental?) from his surgery. Lack of a feature type back that he had enjoyed, also has to factor in, imo..


Flacco always has been the bus driver. He had an amazing run when they won the SB where he was amazing and has had some other really good memorable playoff games too.

But his success was always predicated on a great run game and great defense. Baltimore hasnt had the run game in a long long time. And their defnese has been hard with injuries in the last few years. They are much better this year.
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dep026 : 11/9/2018 10:35 am : link
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QB.

If he wasnt a nutcase, I'd consider Winston cause he at least has talent at this point of his career.



Flacco takes shits that are better than Winston. Talent? Flacco was, is and will always be better than Winston. Winston is hot garbage even if there might be some wacky perception that he has a higher ceiling. He sucks and he’s weird.

Not that I want Flacco here.... I’d rather we just draft a kid but something tells me the giants are going to release Eli and sign a vet FA qb.


Flacco went into an organization and had leadership where he could instantly attribute.

Winston went to TB who has been a lost franchise for years. Winston is part of the problem no doubt, but I dont think its a fair comparison.
Winston is a little more than just "weird"  
widmerseyebrow : 11/9/2018 10:39 am : link
depending on what girl you talk to.
Flacco would never escape the pass rush  
Chip : 11/9/2018 10:48 am : link
Somehow you have to fix the OL and yes I agree Solder was never the answer. He was the OL according to my brother in law the die hard Pats fan gave up all the pressure on Brady. I also don't think FA can be fixed through FA and will have to come thru the draft.
RE: Flacco is a terrible  
bw in dc : 11/9/2018 11:42 am : link
In comment 14169804 dep026 said:
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QB.

If he wasnt a nutcase, I'd consider Winston cause he at least has talent at this point of his career.


You and I rarely agree. But this is spot on. There isn't a bigger QB fraud in the NFL than Joe Flacco.
Looking at the time this article was updated  
figgy2989 : 11/9/2018 11:46 am : link
Last nights game was not included. Especially with how Ben played (22 of 25), 5 TD's against what was supposed to be a good Panthers defense.

Cam did not look good, but he has him 8th.
I love LeBatard's description of Flacco  
NYG07 : 11/9/2018 12:08 pm : link
in that when he runs he looks like a new born baby giraffe.
RE: RE: Flacco is a terrible  
djm : 11/9/2018 5:23 pm : link
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QB.

If he wasnt a nutcase, I'd consider Winston cause he at least has talent at this point of his career.



You and I rarely agree. But this is spot on. There isn't a bigger QB fraud in the NFL than Joe Flacco.


At his best he was a winning qb who could make all the throws. He’s not that anymore but like most qbs there are usually mitigating factors. And he could just have slipped as a player. When a qb wins and wins big there’s no such thing as fraudulent. You either deliver or you don’t. Flacco delivered. His prime wasn’t very long though.

Flacco is basically Eli Manning with one less magical postseason run. That’s a lot less but still, not half bad.
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bw in dc : 11/9/2018 5:38 pm : link
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At his best he was a winning qb who could make all the throws. He’s not that anymore but like most qbs there are usually mitigating factors. And he could just have slipped as a player. When a qb wins and wins big there’s no such thing as fraudulent. You either deliver or you don’t. Flacco delivered. His prime wasn’t very long though.

Flacco is basically Eli Manning with one less magical postseason run. That’s a lot less but still, not half bad.


Flacco is actually a very talented player. Actually more talented than Eli. But at least Eli gave effort all the time.

Flacco, on the other hand, is uninspiring and doesn’t always show up. I contend he isn’t a hard worker and tries to get by on his talent alone all too often.

He’s had a very short period of high quality. And that just happened to occur, coincidentally, during his contract year. So I find everything about him dubious.

So he’s more fraud, to me, than this quality player...
Flacco had some talent but also had some incredibly  
Jimmy Googs : 11/9/2018 5:49 pm : link
average seasons. But he was a different guy that great postseason run to win it all.

Hmmm...
RE: RE: Don't waste cap dollars on a QB  
.McL. : 11/10/2018 12:41 am : link
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who Is not the answer. Draft a young QB and fix the OL. Winston Bridgewater Carr are not the long term solution.



So are you saying we didnt waste dollars in fixing the OL this free agency? We gave out one of the worst cotnracts in the history of the NFL and another decent chunk to a guy who has already been benched.


So uh... What's your point? What does past mistakes have to do with not making future ones... Like, IDK, spending more FA dollars on a QB that won't be able to do anything behind this line either?
I agree with Fiddy. DOn't waste money on a FA QB, fix the line, and draft one.
Actually it was Chip  
.McL. : 11/10/2018 12:47 am : link
I agree with...
RE: RE: Flacco is a terrible  
chopperhatch : 11/10/2018 2:17 am : link
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QB.

If he wasnt a nutcase, I'd consider Winston cause he at least has talent at this point of his career.



Flacco takes shits that are better than Winston. Talent? Flacco was, is and will always be better than Winston. Winston is hot garbage even if there might be some wacky perception that he has a higher ceiling. He sucks and he’s weird.


I think you're being harsh on Winston no?

Joe Flacco  
jacob12 : 11/10/2018 11:49 am : link
The comments about Joe Flacco are blatantly unfair. Joe tore his ACL and MCL and has never recovered. He lost his mobility and is a less accurate passer.

Flacco has been an extraordinary Playoff QB. Joe is 10-5 in the Playoffs and has the third highest Postseason winning percentage. He has a higher QB rating than Troy Aikman, Eli and Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, and Brett Favre. Flacco has a passer rating of 92.1 or higher an astounding 9 times in the Playoffs. Joe's skill players were inferior to most QB's.

Joe was a good regular season QB and an exceptional Postseason QB. Flacco is one of the best Playoff quarterbacks in NFL history.
Joe Flacco  
jacob12 : 11/10/2018 4:50 pm : link
Joe has played with only one Pro Bowl WR. Jacoby Jones made the Pro Bowl in 2012.
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