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NFT: Outlaw King: the story of Robert the Bruce - no spoilers

pjcas18 : 11/9/2018 12:47 pm
braveheart fans were introduced to Robert the Bruce (if they didn't already know of him, and Braveheart was historically inaccurate - Robert was actually one of the greatest warriors in Scotland history).

Outlaw King the move, based on the true story, is released on Netflix and I think in limited theaters today.

Trailer linked below. For fans of this genre it looks good to me, though not critically loved so far.

critics: 53%, audience 85%, I usually trust the audience more.

has anyone seen it yet?

Any reviews without spoilers?
Trailer - ( New Window )
I'm guessing Chris Pine  
JonC : 11/9/2018 12:52 pm : link
will be in over his head in such a role.

Mel Gibson and Icon should've made this film before he imploded.
Didn't Braveheart make him look like a pussy?  
Bill L : 11/9/2018 12:55 pm : link
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btw your post got me looking...  
Bill L : 11/9/2018 1:01 pm : link
this is not exactly the same thing, but another series I really love is The Last Kingdom. Cancelled by BBC but picked up by Netflix and the next season (Season 3) is released on November 19.
RE: Didn't Braveheart make him look like a pussy?  
pjcas18 : 11/9/2018 1:07 pm : link
In comment 14170036 Bill L said:
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Yeah, kind of, less a pussy more someone more concerned with his own land and fortune than the fate of his country (mostly because of his leper father) so that's why I said Braveheart was historically inaccurate.
RE: btw your post got me looking...  
pjcas18 : 11/9/2018 1:09 pm : link
In comment 14170046 Bill L said:
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this is not exactly the same thing, but another series I really love is The Last Kingdom. Cancelled by BBC but picked up by Netflix and the next season (Season 3) is released on November 19.


I had no idea they were still going. I just finished the latest Uhtred novel and will definitely watch this.

Between this news, Vikings return and Outlaw King November is shaping up to be a pretty good month for Medieval era-ish TV.
enjoyed the The Last Kingdom  
JonC : 11/9/2018 1:18 pm : link
I've had season 2 sitting on my laptop for 18 months.
RE: RE: Didn't Braveheart make him look like a pussy?  
SHO'NUFF : 11/9/2018 1:25 pm : link
In comment 14170054 pjcas18 said:
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Yeah, kind of, less a pussy more someone more concerned with his own land and fortune than the fate of his country (mostly because of his leper father) so that's why I said Braveheart was historically inaccurate.


He came through at the end, though.
RE: RE: RE: Didn't Braveheart make him look like a pussy?  
pjcas18 : 11/9/2018 1:27 pm : link
In comment 14170073 SHO'NUFF said:
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Yeah, kind of, less a pussy more someone more concerned with his own land and fortune than the fate of his country (mostly because of his leper father) so that's why I said Braveheart was historically inaccurate.



He came through at the end, though.


Yes, when it was too late for Williams Wallace (though the William Wallace portrayal was also fictional or at least historically inaccurate - but entertaining)
Braveheart,  
Pete in MD : 11/9/2018 2:05 pm : link
while a fun movie, is incredibly inaccurate aside from the fact that a guy named William Wallace was part of a Scottish revolt against the British. He didn't look like that, dress like that, fight that way, have that background, and was never called Braveheart.

Also interesting, English King Edward I was called "Longshanks" because of his abnormal height but he was only 6'1 or 6'2, which was considered very tall at the time.
You mean he really didn't fart  
SHO'NUFF : 11/9/2018 2:08 pm : link
lightning bolts out of his arse?
He also  
Pete in MD : 11/9/2018 2:19 pm : link
didn't have an affair with Princess Isabella of France. She was three years old at the time.
You can list hundreds  
pjcas18 : 11/9/2018 2:26 pm : link
of things that are historically inaccurate with Braveheart.

It was based on a poem (loosely) not a history book and it wasn't a documentary or meant to be.

Could be wrong  
figgy2989 : 11/9/2018 2:35 pm : link
But I thought read somewhere recently that there were talks of a Braveheart sequel (so to speak) was in the works. The actor who played Robert the Bruce was coming back to reprise his role.

Yes  
pjcas18 : 11/9/2018 2:40 pm : link
Braveheart 2 (or whatever the sequel will be named) is in the works, and his a similar theme as the outlaw king.

same actor plays Robert the Bruce as in Braveheart 1.

A minority of Scottish historians...  
Dunedin81 : 11/9/2018 2:41 pm : link
think that Wallace's noble counterpart, Andrew Murray (or Moray, or de Moray), was at least as important for the victory at Stirling Bridge as was Wallace.
Thanks pj  
figgy2989 : 11/9/2018 2:46 pm : link
I hope with the technology tthat we have today and research basically at your fingertips, that any potential sequel would be more historically accurate.

Regardless, Braveheart was a great movie and at that time no one knew any better of what was actually accurate. It’s not like today where you can go watch a movie based on a historical character/event then pop on the internet to read more about it.
RE: Thanks pj  
pjcas18 : 11/9/2018 2:52 pm : link
In comment 14170158 figgy2989 said:
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I hope with the technology tthat we have today and research basically at your fingertips, that any potential sequel would be more historically accurate.

Regardless, Braveheart was a great movie and at that time no one knew any better of what was actually accurate. It’s not like today where you can go watch a movie based on a historical character/event then pop on the internet to read more about it.


Honestly, Braveheart to me was an awesome movie. The fact it was loosely based on an actual historical figure made it a little more interesting, but, also the fact it is historically inaccurate and much more fiction than even historical fictions lessens nothing. For me.

But I understand some people like it less for being fiction.
It's probably not as theatrically good  
Bill L : 11/9/2018 2:59 pm : link
but I liked Rob Roy better (if we stick with the Highlander theme (and exclude Highlander itself)). I just loved Tim Roth too much.
RE: RE: Didn't Braveheart make him look like a pussy?  
Beezer : 11/9/2018 3:05 pm : link
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Yeah, kind of, less a pussy more someone more concerned with his own land and fortune than the fate of his country (mostly because of his leper father) so that's why I said Braveheart was historically inaccurate.


I didn't consider him a pussy as much as just really conflicted, which I could understand, at least to a degree.

I wasn't aware of this latest film ... looking forward to it. Busy weekend but I'll try to see it, if it's on Netflix. Thanks for the thread!

He was a pussy  
pjcas18 : 11/9/2018 3:20 pm : link
because he wouldn't stand up to his father, but in the grand scheme of things and in terms of self preservation his father was pretty wise, but wise in a sleazy kind of way - it seemed like the way some of the tories straddled the fence in the American revolution - looking out for their governor-ship or business interests by being cozy with the British, but seizing on the opportunity once the independence was won. I guess unprincipled is a way to look at it.

RE: btw your post got me looking...  
LauderdaleMatty : 11/9/2018 4:00 pm : link
In comment 14170046 Bill L said:
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this is not exactly the same thing, but another series I really love is The Last Kingdom. Cancelled by BBC but picked up by Netflix and the next season (Season 3) is released on November 19.
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The last Kingdom was good. Thanks I didn’t know it was coming back
RE: Braveheart,  
BillT : 11/9/2018 4:39 pm : link
In comment 14170119 Pete in MD said:
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Also interesting, English King Edward I was called "Longshanks" because of his abnormal height but he was only 6'1 or 6'2, which was considered very tall at the time.

Wallace himself was reputed to be 6'5" and was feared because of the large claymore or longsword with which he fought.
Here  
Pete in MD : 11/9/2018 5:22 pm : link
in Baltimore there is a statue of William Wallace, erected in 1893, long before Braveheart. It's pretty random.


Link - ( New Window )
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