With all the harping on about the issues on the Oline, not enough being said about the lack of pass rush.
I realize sacks aren't the only thing, but in a passing league they are pretty damn important --especially when the other guys are getting them, and you aren't. Giants have only 10 sacks on the year, which ranks 31st in the league (only Raiders are worse). Vikings and Steelers have 3x as many sacks as NYG with a whopping 75% of the league having twice as many.
I think it goes without saying, when discussing the merits for Oline vs. QB on draft day, or needs for guys who can rush the QB are as critical as any.
...is also due to a gassed D-line that can never get a blow from their offense.
...is also due to a gassed D-line that can never get a blow from their offense.
While I agree about being gassed, they don't get any pressure in the first 3 qtrs. either.
An individual linemen doesn't fix all of your problems -a line is often only as good as its weakest link, not its strongest. Neither does an individual pass rusher, of course, but an elite pass rusher has the ability to take over games.
The OL and offense stink from the get go. The OL is as porous as Niagara Falls (which is a lovely visit if you ever get the chance ....or you could just watch the Giants). The poor play of our OL hampers our limited QB and has a domino effect on the team and thus the game. If we could put more points on the board, perhaps the DL would be able to, pardon the old cliche, 'pin their ears back' and get a few more sacks....
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...is also due to a gassed D-line that can never get a blow from their offense.
This is not even close to being true
I think he's doing well for lack of talent.
Interior OLine you can address throughout the draft and a guy would have to be amazing to consider with a top 5 pick. Soldier is a tough situation with his contract. If I'm sitting there drafting in the top 5 and don't see any QBs I love, it's not a given that I'm going with the OT over the edge rusher. Most likely coming down to grade of player for me.
2011 - 48 sacks (2nd in the league)
2012 - 33 sacks (22nd)
2013 - 34 sacks (25th)
2014 - 47 sacks (4th)
2015 - 23 sacks (30th)
2016 - 35 sacks (14th)
2017 - 27 sacks (29th)
2018 - On pace for 20 sacks (currently 31st)
There aren't many teams that have a successful defense that lack a pass rush. Sustainable good defense is always backed by a good pass rush. In 2011, that defense seemed to only get that far because of the pass rush. The overall talent on defense has been terrible since.
The Giants have employed a bottom 5 defense four times in the last 7 years. The biggest culprit of that, is lack of pass rush.
2011 - 48 sacks (2nd in the league)
2012 - 33 sacks (22nd)
2013 - 34 sacks (25th)
2014 - 47 sacks (4th)
2015 - 23 sacks (30th)
2016 - 35 sacks (14th)
2017 - 27 sacks (29th)
2018 - On pace for 20 sacks (currently 31st)
There aren't many teams that have a successful defense that lack a pass rush. Sustainable good defense is always backed by a good pass rush. In 2011, that defense seemed to only get that far because of the pass rush. The overall talent on defense has been terrible since.
The Giants have employed a bottom 5 defense four times in the last 7 years. The biggest culprit of that, is lack of pass rush.
Sorry, meant to say 2016 was the last good Giants defense, and that is looking more like a fluke than anything else.
Outside of Barkley, I think he's been one of the bigger bright spots. He's doing a tremendous job given the lack of talent and an offense that consistently hangs his defense out to dry. You're not the only one, Vacchiano gave him a "C" in his midseason grades. Are people looking at context?
If you give Bettcher a stud pass rusher, like he had in Chandler Jones, this is a different defense.
Won 2 SB with great pressure (well, really 4 SB, the 86 and 90 teams had phenomenal fronts) so I'd rather see the Giants spend FA $ and draft picks on front 7 rather than secondary guys... made the Jackrabbit signing all the more frustrating. Was he good in 2016? Of course... but that was a ton of money that I'd prefer to have used on an edge guy.
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...is also due to a gassed D-line that can never get a blow from their offense.
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...is also due to a gassed D-line that can never get a blow from their offense.
You guys can keep spouting this but it’s 100% false.
Giants ranked 17th in the nfl in time of possession per drive. While it’s not great... it sure doesn’t mean they don’t stay on the field.
The reason the defnese doesn’t get sacks or turnovers is because they suck.
Interior OLine you can address throughout the draft and a guy would have to be amazing to consider with a top 5 pick. Soldier is a tough situation with his contract. If I'm sitting there drafting in the top 5 and don't see any QBs I love, it's not a given that I'm going with the OT over the edge rusher. Most likely coming down to grade of player for me.
Carter has had very limited playing time and I think it needs to increase. He is a fast kid and needs to start getting experience. The times he has been on the field I intentionally watch him. He hasn't made many mistakes.
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Interior OLine you can address throughout the draft and a guy would have to be amazing to consider with a top 5 pick. Soldier is a tough situation with his contract. If I'm sitting there drafting in the top 5 and don't see any QBs I love, it's not a given that I'm going with the OT over the edge rusher. Most likely coming down to grade of player for me.
Carter has had very limited playing time and I think it needs to increase. He is a fast kid and needs to start getting experience. The times he has been on the field I intentionally watch him. He hasn't made many mistakes.
Clearly need an investment in an edge rusher. Carter has to still develop his game to be impactful so it would be nice to have another young guy in the mix growing with him...
In a 3-4, your pass rush comes from your linebackers. Who are the linebackers on this team? That's your problem.
Now its, protect your QB, and get after the opposing QB.
Neither of which the Giants are good at... Hence 1 - 7...
This draft is supposedly heavy with pass rushers. It would not be a bad thing to get one.
Unless the pass rushes is supposed to be all-time great too.
...is also due to a gassed D-line that can never get a blow from their offense.
I keep wondering if our own fans even watch the games before making claims that are not based in reality.
Feed the betch, stay the course.
Even Damon Harrison, whom I'm a big fan of, not sure, though, if betch was able to use his whole book with snacks.
I think your problem is that you go dates where you clean their house?