that Eli makes a good mentor? the stellar success of his backups? His ability to make the team around him better? His outstanding leadership qualities?
Oh wait, he was spotted in the cafeteria with Webb. That's worth a huge cap hit.
I agree with your initial thought, there’s no real reason to think he wants to or would be a great mentor (not because I think he can’t do it but I know he’d rather spend his time prepping for his next opponent). However you lost me with your reasons why. Plenty of outstanding mentors who can no longer play (what do you think coaches are especially when starting out?). When hasn’t he been a leader? A significant portion of his career he made his team better as well so I have no idea what that’s about.
what's the evidence that he's been a leader? That he doesn't say stupid stuff to the media?
He doesn't make the team better than the sum of the parts. Are his teammates inspired to leave it all on the field? He plays QB. Nothing more. It's part of the reason we miss the playoffs so often.
He's a good QB (or was). I just don't feel it from him in the leadership role.
what's the evidence that he's been a leader? That he doesn't say stupid stuff to the media?
He doesn't make the team better than the sum of the parts. Are his teammates inspired to leave it all on the field? He plays QB. Nothing more. It's part of the reason we miss the playoffs so often.
He's a good QB (or was). I just don't feel it from him in the leadership role.
what's the evidence that he's been a leader? That he doesn't say stupid stuff to the media?
He doesn't make the team better than the sum of the parts. Are his teammates inspired to leave it all on the field? He plays QB. Nothing more. It's part of the reason we miss the playoffs so often.
He's a good QB (or was). I just don't feel it from him in the leadership role.
So when Lauletta was arrested and Eli called him later that night, that isn’t leadership?? You don’t think the team sees that, respects it, admires it, and follows Eli’s lead of staying together? Odd take indeed.
And why does Eli have to mentor another QB? He’s a competitor. Did Brady mentor Jimmy? Or did it annoy him to share any amount of snaps during practice with the backup?
And yes, there’s a mountain of evidence over the years that Eli does, in fact, inspire his team to leave it all out on the field. It’s been stated by nearly all of them. And when you’re talking about a 2xSBMVP, those kinds of statements aren’t really hard to find.
If Giants were fortunate enough to land their future quarterback in the coming draft. I would welcome Eli in the Kurt Warner role more than any other veteran.
Eli s love of the Giants means a lot to me. I like knowing these guys care about the team as much as we fans do, it s not a trait as prevelent as one might assume.
LOL. What you suggested would be the very first time in Eli’s 15-year NFL career in which he takes an action without his own personal interest being the top priority.
is interesting. it’s setting up for next year. figure out how to keep him or he may go play elsewhere if you cut him, Giants. i don’t blame dad for trying.
he knows Giants are sensitive to seeing him in another uniform.
But the Giants should grow a sack and not care and cut him.
If Giants were fortunate enough to land their future quarterback in the coming draft. I would welcome Eli in the Kurt Warner role more than any other veteran.
Eli s love of the Giants means a lot to me. I like knowing these guys care about the team as much as we fans do, it s not a trait as prevelent as one might assume.
LOL. What you suggested would be the very first time in Eli’s 15-year NFL career in which he takes an action without his own personal interest being the top priority.
Here we go, the Eli should take a pay cut for the team and him not doing that being selfish bit. Yes, Brady has done this, but he is also married to someone likely worth more than him. I think Eli is obviously nearing the end of his career and his skills are diminished, but he deserves every dollar he has gotten and continues to receive for (1) the 2 SB’s (2) the class he has displayed his whole career and what he has done for the community and (3) for taking the beating he has taken the last six years with the piece of shit line our front office has put together.
If Giants were fortunate enough to land their future quarterback in the coming draft. I would welcome Eli in the Kurt Warner role more than any other veteran.
Eli s love of the Giants means a lot to me. I like knowing these guys care about the team as much as we fans do, it s not a trait as prevelent as one might assume.
LOL. What you suggested would be the very first time in Eli’s 15-year NFL career in which he takes an action without his own personal interest being the top priority.
Why am I completely skeptical that you yourself come anywhere within a continent or two of being a paragon of altruism?
disapprove my observation that Eli has always always placed his own personal interest as the top priority in every action/decision of his over 15 years?
One counter example would have been powerful enough to discredit what I said. Just one.
You made the allegation of sefishness. The onus is on you to prove it and not on anyone else to disprove it.
Tell us why Eli is selfish. And if it’s based on salary let me ask this. Do you go to work every day and volunteer to take a pay cut to help your company?
If Giants were fortunate enough to land their future quarterback in the coming draft. I would welcome Eli in the Kurt Warner role more than any other veteran.
Eli s love of the Giants means a lot to me. I like knowing these guys care about the team as much as we fans do, it s not a trait as prevelent as one might assume.
LOL. What you suggested would be the very first time in Eli’s 15-year NFL career in which he takes an action without his own personal interest being the top priority.
Here we go, the Eli should take a pay cut for the team and him not doing that being selfish bit. Yes, Brady has done this, but he is also married to someone likely worth more than him. I think Eli is obviously nearing the end of his career and his skills are diminished, but he deserves every dollar he has gotten and continues to receive for (1) the 2 SB’s (2) the class he has displayed his whole career and what he has done for the community and (3) for taking the beating he has taken the last six years with the piece of shit line our front office has put together.
If Eli were to play out the remaining year on his contract, he will be the highest paid player in the history of the NFL in terms of career player contract earnings. Unless you also feel that he's the best player in NFL history, I don't know how you can claim that he deserves every dollar he has gotten.
If Eli were to play out the remaining year on his contract, he will be the highest paid player in the history of the NFL in terms of career player contract earnings. Unless you also feel that he's the best player in NFL history, I don't know how you can claim that he deserves every dollar he has gotten.
Lets rephrase this another way......
Would you give Eli the money he has received if it meant 2 SB titles in his career? Even if it meant being the highest paid player ever?
If Eli were to play out the remaining year on his contract, he will be the highest paid player in the history of the NFL in terms of career player contract earnings. Unless you also feel that he's the best player in NFL history, I don't know how you can claim that he deserves every dollar he has gotten.
Lets rephrase this another way......
Would you give Eli the money he has received if it meant 2 SB titles in his career? Even if it meant being the highest paid player ever?
Not his market value as today. 5,6,7 years ago yeah
If Eli were to play out the remaining year on his contract, he will be the highest paid player in the history of the NFL in terms of career player contract earnings. Unless you also feel that he's the best player in NFL history, I don't know how you can claim that he deserves every dollar he has gotten.
Lets rephrase this another way......
Would you give Eli the money he has received if it meant 2 SB titles in his career? Even if it meant being the highest paid player ever?
Let's rephrase it yet another way instead...
If Eli got paid over the course of his career more in line with his actual performance (and relative to his QB peers and their respective contracts), could the Giants have won more than they actually did because they could have used the resulting cap space to supplement the overall roster?
why he wants to remain a Giant....if cut, he would never get that if he wanted to play again....
What is this freakin' sentimentality that wants to pay Eli 17M to "mentor" someone? And why would he even want to do that? Well, I take that back.....
He will not be extended after next year....this team is not going to the playoffs next year.....it's time to start using cap money wisely instead of spending it on Eli, Solder, Omameh, Stewart, Ogletree, Martin, Vernon, Jenkins, etc.
Yes we will suck for a few more years, but I'd rather suck because it was planned, rather than out of the false hope, "we are only a few players away"....
We let both lines deteriorate the last 8 years and are now paying for it....
If the DG, Shurm, Bettcher, Shula, Hunter regime is in charge of this rebuild, we are screwed.....Is there no one in this organization, besides Chris Mara, that can evaluate talent? OK, sarcasm off.....
Out of proportion with their (societal) worth and many out of proportion with their football (and all other sports) worth. Where the hell has everyone been since the free agent era began anyway? And, the don’t think Eli has ever really been paid abnormally more than his peer group. *And* I assume that with all this infantile carping, that Eli must by a large measure, be the highest paid QB in the nfl. Right?
If Eli were to play out the remaining year on his contract, he will be the highest paid player in the history of the NFL in terms of career player contract earnings. Unless you also feel that he's the best player in NFL history, I don't know how you can claim that he deserves every dollar he has gotten.
Lets rephrase this another way......
Would you give Eli the money he has received if it meant 2 SB titles in his career? Even if it meant being the highest paid player ever?
Let's rephrase it yet another way instead...
If Eli got paid over the course of his career more in line with his actual performance (and relative to his QB peers and their respective contracts), could the Giants have won more than they actually did because they could have used the resulting cap space to supplement the overall roster?
No, because the guy making those decisions was a clown.
Alex Smith mentored two up and coming QBs and def made them better.
Smith was never quite a baller, but still he was a playoff QB in both scenarios.
Smith was only a good QB when he had two brilliant offensive minds in Harbaugh and Reid. If the Giants draft a QB and keep Eli he will mentor the QB. Davis Webb praised Eli numerous times for helping him while he was here. Eli is not Favre where he will do little to help the QB. Eli is a professional but he is human so of course he would rather not mentor a young QB and instead use the resources to win now while he is there.
but some people's loyalty to Eli Manning, as an individual person, is beyond me.
Eli Manning has been well compensated for what he has accomplished. If he wants to play for the Giants, then it has to fit in with the interests of the team. He is not owed one cent.
In the NFL, more so than any other major sports league, teams can flip from good to bad, and vice versa, in the matter of one offseason. Manning believes this Giants roster is much closer to competing for another championship than most people realize right now.
“It may be hard to realize or say it, but I don’t the Giants are far off,’’ he said.
That was the crap we were fed this past off season by the Giants.....they were not far off.....AGAIN!!!!!!!
He has given his all to the franchise but 23 mil is too high for the performance he is given us and I DO NO THINK this 1 and 7 is all his fault. However, if he wants to stay so bad he should offer to take a cut so he can help the team sign some OL help. Brady makes less than he should (yes his wife is loaded) but you have to be reasonable.
as the team has to decisively put the past behind but the only way he ought to stay is to accept a cut in payout IF the other options are brutal. i would rather even have bridgewater as a ‘bridge’ qb only because he stands a chance of giving NYG a couple of seasons or more before they have to spend a pick.
Archie is trying to extend Eli career by sending the signals. But Giants can’t let sentiments cloud judgement yet again.
But Giants can’t let sentiments cloud judgement yet again.
This is the kind of crap that continually gets in the way of god honest improvement. And we have seen it continue in many different ways with this franchise with flawed or aging players and some incompetent coaches.
If it happens again here, it will just be par for the course...
i don’t think many here understand the impact keeping him in any capacity will have as a morale crusher in the locker room. Not to mention the stadium being empty like in Miami and Arizona should this go forward.
that Eli makes a good mentor? the stellar success of his backups? His ability to make the team around him better? His outstanding leadership qualities?
Oh wait, he was spotted in the cafeteria with Webb. That's worth a huge cap hit.
This is the dumbest shit I've read in a while.
It's the luxury of having your young guy have someone to shadow to learn the perfect way of doing EVERYTHING it takes to be a QB, and there's not a better person to follow than Eli, if you wanna learn preparation, how to conduct yourself, and all the little things that go into being the face of a franchise.
You say words but they don't mean a god damn thing.
What a young QB can learn from following Eli around on the job is infinite, if you don't get that.. I'm sorry but you have a staggeringly low IQ. Because this shit is just common sense.
Could point to every elite QB in the league and say "durr what have their back ups done?"
If that's a demonstration of your critical thinking skills I'm sorry your mother slugged whiskey next to a microwave in a crackhouse while she was pregnant.
i don’t think many here understand the impact keeping him in any capacity will have as a morale crusher in the locker room. Not to mention the stadium being empty like in Miami and Arizona should this go forward.
I would be mostly concerned of the coaches to willing to give him reps and chances when we need to put new blood under center. This isnt about the best player starts crap...we have to remove him from the situation and put all efforts into figuring out who can be the next guy(s)...
It's already ugly. He's getting butchered out there and it's only going to get worse on the field. The team deflects a lot of the media scrutiny, but eventually they'll have to either sit him or eventually cut him
Yes, 1-7 is ugly. I was referencing Eli's exit. The Mannings will take the gloves off when Eli is cut.
I don't get why he would continue to play if he is released. There are gifs of him going down with minimal contact. Unless he is making business decisions on those plays, there is no way he can get over that with a change of scenery.
Oh wait, he was spotted in the cafeteria with Webb. That's worth a huge cap hit.
I agree with your initial thought, there’s no real reason to think he wants to or would be a great mentor (not because I think he can’t do it but I know he’d rather spend his time prepping for his next opponent). However you lost me with your reasons why. Plenty of outstanding mentors who can no longer play (what do you think coaches are especially when starting out?). When hasn’t he been a leader? A significant portion of his career he made his team better as well so I have no idea what that’s about.
Shit you get paid nothing to stay here and post bottom line type posts.
He doesn't make the team better than the sum of the parts. Are his teammates inspired to leave it all on the field? He plays QB. Nothing more. It's part of the reason we miss the playoffs so often.
He's a good QB (or was). I just don't feel it from him in the leadership role.
He doesn't make the team better than the sum of the parts. Are his teammates inspired to leave it all on the field? He plays QB. Nothing more. It's part of the reason we miss the playoffs so often.
He's a good QB (or was). I just don't feel it from him in the leadership role.
This is a really really odd take.
He doesn't make the team better than the sum of the parts. Are his teammates inspired to leave it all on the field? He plays QB. Nothing more. It's part of the reason we miss the playoffs so often.
He's a good QB (or was). I just don't feel it from him in the leadership role.
So when Lauletta was arrested and Eli called him later that night, that isn’t leadership?? You don’t think the team sees that, respects it, admires it, and follows Eli’s lead of staying together? Odd take indeed.
And why does Eli have to mentor another QB? He’s a competitor. Did Brady mentor Jimmy? Or did it annoy him to share any amount of snaps during practice with the backup?
And yes, there’s a mountain of evidence over the years that Eli does, in fact, inspire his team to leave it all out on the field. It’s been stated by nearly all of them. And when you’re talking about a 2xSBMVP, those kinds of statements aren’t really hard to find.
Then I’m lost because I have no idea what you mean then.
Eli s love of the Giants means a lot to me. I like knowing these guys care about the team as much as we fans do, it s not a trait as prevelent as one might assume.
LOL. What you suggested would be the very first time in Eli’s 15-year NFL career in which he takes an action without his own personal interest being the top priority.
he knows Giants are sensitive to seeing him in another uniform.
But the Giants should grow a sack and not care and cut him.
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If Giants were fortunate enough to land their future quarterback in the coming draft. I would welcome Eli in the Kurt Warner role more than any other veteran.
Eli s love of the Giants means a lot to me. I like knowing these guys care about the team as much as we fans do, it s not a trait as prevelent as one might assume.
LOL. What you suggested would be the very first time in Eli’s 15-year NFL career in which he takes an action without his own personal interest being the top priority.
Here we go, the Eli should take a pay cut for the team and him not doing that being selfish bit. Yes, Brady has done this, but he is also married to someone likely worth more than him. I think Eli is obviously nearing the end of his career and his skills are diminished, but he deserves every dollar he has gotten and continues to receive for (1) the 2 SB’s (2) the class he has displayed his whole career and what he has done for the community and (3) for taking the beating he has taken the last six years with the piece of shit line our front office has put together.
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If Giants were fortunate enough to land their future quarterback in the coming draft. I would welcome Eli in the Kurt Warner role more than any other veteran.
Eli s love of the Giants means a lot to me. I like knowing these guys care about the team as much as we fans do, it s not a trait as prevelent as one might assume.
LOL. What you suggested would be the very first time in Eli’s 15-year NFL career in which he takes an action without his own personal interest being the top priority.
Why am I completely skeptical that you yourself come anywhere within a continent or two of being a paragon of altruism?
One counter example would have been powerful enough to discredit what I said. Just one.
LOL, and when did you stop sucking your daddy’s cock?
Tell us why Eli is selfish. And if it’s based on salary let me ask this. Do you go to work every day and volunteer to take a pay cut to help your company?
Exactly what I was thinking.
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If Giants were fortunate enough to land their future quarterback in the coming draft. I would welcome Eli in the Kurt Warner role more than any other veteran.
Eli s love of the Giants means a lot to me. I like knowing these guys care about the team as much as we fans do, it s not a trait as prevelent as one might assume.
LOL. What you suggested would be the very first time in Eli’s 15-year NFL career in which he takes an action without his own personal interest being the top priority.
Here we go, the Eli should take a pay cut for the team and him not doing that being selfish bit. Yes, Brady has done this, but he is also married to someone likely worth more than him. I think Eli is obviously nearing the end of his career and his skills are diminished, but he deserves every dollar he has gotten and continues to receive for (1) the 2 SB’s (2) the class he has displayed his whole career and what he has done for the community and (3) for taking the beating he has taken the last six years with the piece of shit line our front office has put together.
If Eli were to play out the remaining year on his contract, he will be the highest paid player in the history of the NFL in terms of career player contract earnings. Unless you also feel that he's the best player in NFL history, I don't know how you can claim that he deserves every dollar he has gotten.
If Eli were to play out the remaining year on his contract, he will be the highest paid player in the history of the NFL in terms of career player contract earnings. Unless you also feel that he's the best player in NFL history, I don't know how you can claim that he deserves every dollar he has gotten.
Lets rephrase this another way......
Would you give Eli the money he has received if it meant 2 SB titles in his career? Even if it meant being the highest paid player ever?
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If Eli were to play out the remaining year on his contract, he will be the highest paid player in the history of the NFL in terms of career player contract earnings. Unless you also feel that he's the best player in NFL history, I don't know how you can claim that he deserves every dollar he has gotten.
Lets rephrase this another way......
Would you give Eli the money he has received if it meant 2 SB titles in his career? Even if it meant being the highest paid player ever?
Not his market value as today. 5,6,7 years ago yeah
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If Eli were to play out the remaining year on his contract, he will be the highest paid player in the history of the NFL in terms of career player contract earnings. Unless you also feel that he's the best player in NFL history, I don't know how you can claim that he deserves every dollar he has gotten.
Lets rephrase this another way......
Would you give Eli the money he has received if it meant 2 SB titles in his career? Even if it meant being the highest paid player ever?
Let's rephrase it yet another way instead...
If Eli got paid over the course of his career more in line with his actual performance (and relative to his QB peers and their respective contracts), could the Giants have won more than they actually did because they could have used the resulting cap space to supplement the overall roster?
What is this freakin' sentimentality that wants to pay Eli 17M to "mentor" someone? And why would he even want to do that? Well, I take that back.....
He will not be extended after next year....this team is not going to the playoffs next year.....it's time to start using cap money wisely instead of spending it on Eli, Solder, Omameh, Stewart, Ogletree, Martin, Vernon, Jenkins, etc.
Yes we will suck for a few more years, but I'd rather suck because it was planned, rather than out of the false hope, "we are only a few players away"....
We let both lines deteriorate the last 8 years and are now paying for it....
If the DG, Shurm, Bettcher, Shula, Hunter regime is in charge of this rebuild, we are screwed.....Is there no one in this organization, besides Chris Mara, that can evaluate talent? OK, sarcasm off.....
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If Eli were to play out the remaining year on his contract, he will be the highest paid player in the history of the NFL in terms of career player contract earnings. Unless you also feel that he's the best player in NFL history, I don't know how you can claim that he deserves every dollar he has gotten.
Lets rephrase this another way......
Would you give Eli the money he has received if it meant 2 SB titles in his career? Even if it meant being the highest paid player ever?
Let's rephrase it yet another way instead...
If Eli got paid over the course of his career more in line with his actual performance (and relative to his QB peers and their respective contracts), could the Giants have won more than they actually did because they could have used the resulting cap space to supplement the overall roster?
No, because the guy making those decisions was a clown.
There will be no mentoring.
This is Eli's biggest fault, especially now.
Alex Smith mentored two up and coming QBs and def made them better.
Smith was never quite a baller, but still he was a playoff QB in both scenarios.
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There will be no mentoring.
This is Eli's biggest fault, especially now.
Alex Smith mentored two up and coming QBs and def made them better.
Smith was never quite a baller, but still he was a playoff QB in both scenarios.
Smith was only a good QB when he had two brilliant offensive minds in Harbaugh and Reid. If the Giants draft a QB and keep Eli he will mentor the QB. Davis Webb praised Eli numerous times for helping him while he was here. Eli is not Favre where he will do little to help the QB. Eli is a professional but he is human so of course he would rather not mentor a young QB and instead use the resources to win now while he is there.
Eli Manning has been well compensated for what he has accomplished. If he wants to play for the Giants, then it has to fit in with the interests of the team. He is not owed one cent.
“It may be hard to realize or say it, but I don’t the Giants are far off,’’ he said.
That was the crap we were fed this past off season by the Giants.....they were not far off.....AGAIN!!!!!!!
That made my laugh...well played.
Seriously?
Archie is trying to extend Eli career by sending the signals. But Giants can’t let sentiments cloud judgement yet again.
This is the kind of crap that continually gets in the way of god honest improvement. And we have seen it continue in many different ways with this franchise with flawed or aging players and some incompetent coaches.
If it happens again here, it will just be par for the course...
Oh wait, he was spotted in the cafeteria with Webb. That's worth a huge cap hit.
This is the dumbest shit I've read in a while.
It's the luxury of having your young guy have someone to shadow to learn the perfect way of doing EVERYTHING it takes to be a QB, and there's not a better person to follow than Eli, if you wanna learn preparation, how to conduct yourself, and all the little things that go into being the face of a franchise.
You say words but they don't mean a god damn thing.
What a young QB can learn from following Eli around on the job is infinite, if you don't get that.. I'm sorry but you have a staggeringly low IQ. Because this shit is just common sense.
Could point to every elite QB in the league and say "durr what have their back ups done?"
If that's a demonstration of your critical thinking skills I'm sorry your mother slugged whiskey next to a microwave in a crackhouse while she was pregnant.
I would be mostly concerned of the coaches to willing to give him reps and chances when we need to put new blood under center. This isnt about the best player starts crap...we have to remove him from the situation and put all efforts into figuring out who can be the next guy(s)...
But if we win 8 in a row...
But if we win 8 in a row...
And what...we are good to go next year??
That would be a foolish decision...don't be the fool that supports it. Its akin to relying on a good performance versus Philly last year...
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And we can move on.
But if we win 8 in a row...
And what...we are good to go next year??
That would be a foolish decision...don't be the fool that supports it. Its akin to relying on a good performance versus Philly last year...
Ok good point.
But what if we win 12 in a row... haha
So I am all for that...
Sucky all around take. Seriously. Sucky.
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LOL, and when did you stop sucking your daddy’s cock?
I like where this is going. Did your daddy stop sucking his wife's cock or Daddy beating someone's cock no beef with either of u but I love bbi
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ugly.
It's already ugly. He's getting butchered out there and it's only going to get worse on the field. The team deflects a lot of the media scrutiny, but eventually they'll have to either sit him or eventually cut him
I don't get why he would continue to play if he is released. There are gifs of him going down with minimal contact. Unless he is making business decisions on those plays, there is no way he can get over that with a change of scenery.