Great mindset and goal to have but lets be honest. Even if the Giants make this miraculous turnaround, start scoring TD's, and their Defense plays to the level they have minus the 4th quarter collapses...Even in this unlikely scenario, they aren't doing squat against the Bears defense. Any other game I could see as winnable in a scenario like that.
If Giants were fortunate enough to land their future quarterback in the coming draft. I would welcome Eli in the Kurt Warner role more than any other veteran.
Eli s love of the Giants means a lot to me. I like knowing these guys care about the team as much as we fans do, it s not a trait as prevelent as one might assume.
If Giants were fortunate enough to land their future quarterback in the coming draft. I would welcome Eli in the Kurt Warner role more than any other veteran.
Eli s love of the Giants means a lot to me. I like knowing these guys care about the team as much as we fans do, it s not a trait as prevelent as one might assume.
No way joe. Imv, he’s got to go and the the team can’t keep looking towards him in any capacity. He was a great Giant but this only takes away time and attention to truly restructuring this team...
I hope there is some miracle run coming up here where the team smells eight and eight and the offense starts lighting everyone up. There is a snowball's chance in hell of that happening so Eli will be cut. 0
It's already ugly. He's getting butchered out there and it's only going to get worse on the field. The team deflects a lot of the media scrutiny, but eventually they'll have to either sit him or eventually cut him
If Giants were fortunate enough to land their future quarterback in the coming draft. I would welcome Eli in the Kurt Warner role more than any other veteran.
Eli s love of the Giants means a lot to me. I like knowing these guys care about the team as much as we fans do, it s not a trait as prevelent as one might assume.
So we’d use his cap hit to mentor? Yeah no thanks. I also don’t want to watch him mentor nor does he want to do it. Just move on.
Wouldnt put it past Mara and crew..any other org, they'd know when to move on, but I have a sneaky feeling this is more possibility than one is to believe
RE: I would lol if Mara gives Eli an extension after next season Â
Wouldnt put it past Mara and crew..any other org, they'd know when to move on, but I have a sneaky feeling this is more possibility than one is to believe
We had a pretty outspoken poster here suggest that Eli should be extended after his benching as an apology.
If Giants were fortunate enough to land their future quarterback in the coming draft. I would welcome Eli in the Kurt Warner role more than any other veteran.
Eli s love of the Giants means a lot to me. I like knowing these guys care about the team as much as we fans do, it s not a trait as prevelent as one might assume.
So we’d use his cap hit to mentor? Yeah no thanks. I also don’t want to watch him mentor nor does he want to do it. Just move on.
Agreed. If the Giants land their QB of the future in the upcoming draft there's no way they're going to spend $20 M+ (whatever his cap number is) to mentor anyone. Plus they'd only be creating another "when do we sit Eli" mess. Mara's not dumb enough to do that dance again.
If they cut Eli and draft a QB, just bring in a seasoned vet and let him start a handful of games until the new QB is ready. Replacing a vet with no emotional ties to the fans will be a lot easier than replacing Eli mid-season.
RE: RE: I would lol if Mara gives Eli an extension after next season Â
Wouldnt put it past Mara and crew..any other org, they'd know when to move on, but I have a sneaky feeling this is more possibility than one is to believe
We had a pretty outspoken poster here suggest that Eli should be extended after his benching as an apology.
that Eli makes a good mentor? the stellar success of his backups? His ability to make the team around him better? His outstanding leadership qualities?
Oh wait, he was spotted in the cafeteria with Webb. That's worth a huge cap hit.
Imagine the Giants draft a QB in next year’s draft and he starts the season the way Darnold started this year? How long until fans are clamoring to put Eli back in?
If Eli is not the starting QB next year, he has to be off the roster.
that Eli makes a good mentor? the stellar success of his backups? His ability to make the team around him better? His outstanding leadership qualities?
Oh wait, he was spotted in the cafeteria with Webb. That's worth a huge cap hit.
I agree with your initial thought, there’s no real reason to think he wants to or would be a great mentor (not because I think he can’t do it but I know he’d rather spend his time prepping for his next opponent). However you lost me with your reasons why. Plenty of outstanding mentors who can no longer play (what do you think coaches are especially when starting out?). When hasn’t he been a leader? A significant portion of his career he made his team better as well so I have no idea what that’s about.
what's the evidence that he's been a leader? That he doesn't say stupid stuff to the media?
He doesn't make the team better than the sum of the parts. Are his teammates inspired to leave it all on the field? He plays QB. Nothing more. It's part of the reason we miss the playoffs so often.
He's a good QB (or was). I just don't feel it from him in the leadership role.
what's the evidence that he's been a leader? That he doesn't say stupid stuff to the media?
He doesn't make the team better than the sum of the parts. Are his teammates inspired to leave it all on the field? He plays QB. Nothing more. It's part of the reason we miss the playoffs so often.
He's a good QB (or was). I just don't feel it from him in the leadership role.
what's the evidence that he's been a leader? That he doesn't say stupid stuff to the media?
He doesn't make the team better than the sum of the parts. Are his teammates inspired to leave it all on the field? He plays QB. Nothing more. It's part of the reason we miss the playoffs so often.
He's a good QB (or was). I just don't feel it from him in the leadership role.
So when Lauletta was arrested and Eli called him later that night, that isn’t leadership?? You don’t think the team sees that, respects it, admires it, and follows Eli’s lead of staying together? Odd take indeed.
And why does Eli have to mentor another QB? He’s a competitor. Did Brady mentor Jimmy? Or did it annoy him to share any amount of snaps during practice with the backup?
And yes, there’s a mountain of evidence over the years that Eli does, in fact, inspire his team to leave it all out on the field. It’s been stated by nearly all of them. And when you’re talking about a 2xSBMVP, those kinds of statements aren’t really hard to find.
If Giants were fortunate enough to land their future quarterback in the coming draft. I would welcome Eli in the Kurt Warner role more than any other veteran.
Eli s love of the Giants means a lot to me. I like knowing these guys care about the team as much as we fans do, it s not a trait as prevelent as one might assume.
LOL. What you suggested would be the very first time in Eli’s 15-year NFL career in which he takes an action without his own personal interest being the top priority.
is interesting. it’s setting up for next year. figure out how to keep him or he may go play elsewhere if you cut him, Giants. i don’t blame dad for trying.
he knows Giants are sensitive to seeing him in another uniform.
But the Giants should grow a sack and not care and cut him.
If Giants were fortunate enough to land their future quarterback in the coming draft. I would welcome Eli in the Kurt Warner role more than any other veteran.
Eli s love of the Giants means a lot to me. I like knowing these guys care about the team as much as we fans do, it s not a trait as prevelent as one might assume.
LOL. What you suggested would be the very first time in Eli’s 15-year NFL career in which he takes an action without his own personal interest being the top priority.
Here we go, the Eli should take a pay cut for the team and him not doing that being selfish bit. Yes, Brady has done this, but he is also married to someone likely worth more than him. I think Eli is obviously nearing the end of his career and his skills are diminished, but he deserves every dollar he has gotten and continues to receive for (1) the 2 SB’s (2) the class he has displayed his whole career and what he has done for the community and (3) for taking the beating he has taken the last six years with the piece of shit line our front office has put together.
If Giants were fortunate enough to land their future quarterback in the coming draft. I would welcome Eli in the Kurt Warner role more than any other veteran.
Eli s love of the Giants means a lot to me. I like knowing these guys care about the team as much as we fans do, it s not a trait as prevelent as one might assume.
LOL. What you suggested would be the very first time in Eli’s 15-year NFL career in which he takes an action without his own personal interest being the top priority.
Why am I completely skeptical that you yourself come anywhere within a continent or two of being a paragon of altruism?
disapprove my observation that Eli has always always placed his own personal interest as the top priority in every action/decision of his over 15 years?
One counter example would have been powerful enough to discredit what I said. Just one.
You made the allegation of sefishness. The onus is on you to prove it and not on anyone else to disprove it.
Tell us why Eli is selfish. And if it’s based on salary let me ask this. Do you go to work every day and volunteer to take a pay cut to help your company?
If Giants were fortunate enough to land their future quarterback in the coming draft. I would welcome Eli in the Kurt Warner role more than any other veteran.
Eli s love of the Giants means a lot to me. I like knowing these guys care about the team as much as we fans do, it s not a trait as prevelent as one might assume.
LOL. What you suggested would be the very first time in Eli’s 15-year NFL career in which he takes an action without his own personal interest being the top priority.
Here we go, the Eli should take a pay cut for the team and him not doing that being selfish bit. Yes, Brady has done this, but he is also married to someone likely worth more than him. I think Eli is obviously nearing the end of his career and his skills are diminished, but he deserves every dollar he has gotten and continues to receive for (1) the 2 SB’s (2) the class he has displayed his whole career and what he has done for the community and (3) for taking the beating he has taken the last six years with the piece of shit line our front office has put together.
If Eli were to play out the remaining year on his contract, he will be the highest paid player in the history of the NFL in terms of career player contract earnings. Unless you also feel that he's the best player in NFL history, I don't know how you can claim that he deserves every dollar he has gotten.
If Eli were to play out the remaining year on his contract, he will be the highest paid player in the history of the NFL in terms of career player contract earnings. Unless you also feel that he's the best player in NFL history, I don't know how you can claim that he deserves every dollar he has gotten.
Lets rephrase this another way......
Would you give Eli the money he has received if it meant 2 SB titles in his career? Even if it meant being the highest paid player ever?
If Eli were to play out the remaining year on his contract, he will be the highest paid player in the history of the NFL in terms of career player contract earnings. Unless you also feel that he's the best player in NFL history, I don't know how you can claim that he deserves every dollar he has gotten.
Lets rephrase this another way......
Would you give Eli the money he has received if it meant 2 SB titles in his career? Even if it meant being the highest paid player ever?
Not his market value as today. 5,6,7 years ago yeah
If Eli were to play out the remaining year on his contract, he will be the highest paid player in the history of the NFL in terms of career player contract earnings. Unless you also feel that he's the best player in NFL history, I don't know how you can claim that he deserves every dollar he has gotten.
Lets rephrase this another way......
Would you give Eli the money he has received if it meant 2 SB titles in his career? Even if it meant being the highest paid player ever?
Let's rephrase it yet another way instead...
If Eli got paid over the course of his career more in line with his actual performance (and relative to his QB peers and their respective contracts), could the Giants have won more than they actually did because they could have used the resulting cap space to supplement the overall roster?
why he wants to remain a Giant....if cut, he would never get that if he wanted to play again....
What is this freakin' sentimentality that wants to pay Eli 17M to "mentor" someone? And why would he even want to do that? Well, I take that back.....
He will not be extended after next year....this team is not going to the playoffs next year.....it's time to start using cap money wisely instead of spending it on Eli, Solder, Omameh, Stewart, Ogletree, Martin, Vernon, Jenkins, etc.
Yes we will suck for a few more years, but I'd rather suck because it was planned, rather than out of the false hope, "we are only a few players away"....
We let both lines deteriorate the last 8 years and are now paying for it....
If the DG, Shurm, Bettcher, Shula, Hunter regime is in charge of this rebuild, we are screwed.....Is there no one in this organization, besides Chris Mara, that can evaluate talent? OK, sarcasm off.....
Out of proportion with their (societal) worth and many out of proportion with their football (and all other sports) worth. Where the hell has everyone been since the free agent era began anyway? And, the don’t think Eli has ever really been paid abnormally more than his peer group. *And* I assume that with all this infantile carping, that Eli must by a large measure, be the highest paid QB in the nfl. Right?
Eli s love of the Giants means a lot to me. I like knowing these guys care about the team as much as we fans do, it s not a trait as prevelent as one might assume.
Eli s love of the Giants means a lot to me. I like knowing these guys care about the team as much as we fans do, it s not a trait as prevelent as one might assume.
No way joe. Imv, he’s got to go and the the team can’t keep looking towards him in any capacity. He was a great Giant but this only takes away time and attention to truly restructuring this team...
There will be no mentoring.
It's already ugly. He's getting butchered out there and it's only going to get worse on the field. The team deflects a lot of the media scrutiny, but eventually they'll have to either sit him or eventually cut him
Eli s love of the Giants means a lot to me. I like knowing these guys care about the team as much as we fans do, it s not a trait as prevelent as one might assume.
So we’d use his cap hit to mentor? Yeah no thanks. I also don’t want to watch him mentor nor does he want to do it. Just move on.
We had a pretty outspoken poster here suggest that Eli should be extended after his benching as an apology.
Nothing with this organization would surprise me.
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If Giants were fortunate enough to land their future quarterback in the coming draft. I would welcome Eli in the Kurt Warner role more than any other veteran.
Eli s love of the Giants means a lot to me. I like knowing these guys care about the team as much as we fans do, it s not a trait as prevelent as one might assume.
So we’d use his cap hit to mentor? Yeah no thanks. I also don’t want to watch him mentor nor does he want to do it. Just move on.
Agreed. If the Giants land their QB of the future in the upcoming draft there's no way they're going to spend $20 M+ (whatever his cap number is) to mentor anyone. Plus they'd only be creating another "when do we sit Eli" mess. Mara's not dumb enough to do that dance again.
If they cut Eli and draft a QB, just bring in a seasoned vet and let him start a handful of games until the new QB is ready. Replacing a vet with no emotional ties to the fans will be a lot easier than replacing Eli mid-season.
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Wouldnt put it past Mara and crew..any other org, they'd know when to move on, but I have a sneaky feeling this is more possibility than one is to believe
We had a pretty outspoken poster here suggest that Eli should be extended after his benching as an apology.
Nothing with this organization would surprise me.
C'mon, I'm not that outspoken.
Oh wait, he was spotted in the cafeteria with Webb. That's worth a huge cap hit.
Imagine the Giants draft a QB in next year’s draft and he starts the season the way Darnold started this year? How long until fans are clamoring to put Eli back in?
If Eli is not the starting QB next year, he has to be off the roster.
Got it. I might have stipulated if it were this year but only because of his contract. Next year...no fkn' way.
Oh wait, he was spotted in the cafeteria with Webb. That's worth a huge cap hit.
I agree with your initial thought, there’s no real reason to think he wants to or would be a great mentor (not because I think he can’t do it but I know he’d rather spend his time prepping for his next opponent). However you lost me with your reasons why. Plenty of outstanding mentors who can no longer play (what do you think coaches are especially when starting out?). When hasn’t he been a leader? A significant portion of his career he made his team better as well so I have no idea what that’s about.
Shit you get paid nothing to stay here and post bottom line type posts.
He doesn't make the team better than the sum of the parts. Are his teammates inspired to leave it all on the field? He plays QB. Nothing more. It's part of the reason we miss the playoffs so often.
He's a good QB (or was). I just don't feel it from him in the leadership role.
He doesn't make the team better than the sum of the parts. Are his teammates inspired to leave it all on the field? He plays QB. Nothing more. It's part of the reason we miss the playoffs so often.
He's a good QB (or was). I just don't feel it from him in the leadership role.
This is a really really odd take.
He doesn't make the team better than the sum of the parts. Are his teammates inspired to leave it all on the field? He plays QB. Nothing more. It's part of the reason we miss the playoffs so often.
He's a good QB (or was). I just don't feel it from him in the leadership role.
So when Lauletta was arrested and Eli called him later that night, that isn’t leadership?? You don’t think the team sees that, respects it, admires it, and follows Eli’s lead of staying together? Odd take indeed.
And why does Eli have to mentor another QB? He’s a competitor. Did Brady mentor Jimmy? Or did it annoy him to share any amount of snaps during practice with the backup?
And yes, there’s a mountain of evidence over the years that Eli does, in fact, inspire his team to leave it all out on the field. It’s been stated by nearly all of them. And when you’re talking about a 2xSBMVP, those kinds of statements aren’t really hard to find.
Then I’m lost because I have no idea what you mean then.
Eli s love of the Giants means a lot to me. I like knowing these guys care about the team as much as we fans do, it s not a trait as prevelent as one might assume.
LOL. What you suggested would be the very first time in Eli’s 15-year NFL career in which he takes an action without his own personal interest being the top priority.
he knows Giants are sensitive to seeing him in another uniform.
But the Giants should grow a sack and not care and cut him.
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If Giants were fortunate enough to land their future quarterback in the coming draft. I would welcome Eli in the Kurt Warner role more than any other veteran.
Eli s love of the Giants means a lot to me. I like knowing these guys care about the team as much as we fans do, it s not a trait as prevelent as one might assume.
LOL. What you suggested would be the very first time in Eli’s 15-year NFL career in which he takes an action without his own personal interest being the top priority.
Here we go, the Eli should take a pay cut for the team and him not doing that being selfish bit. Yes, Brady has done this, but he is also married to someone likely worth more than him. I think Eli is obviously nearing the end of his career and his skills are diminished, but he deserves every dollar he has gotten and continues to receive for (1) the 2 SB’s (2) the class he has displayed his whole career and what he has done for the community and (3) for taking the beating he has taken the last six years with the piece of shit line our front office has put together.
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If Giants were fortunate enough to land their future quarterback in the coming draft. I would welcome Eli in the Kurt Warner role more than any other veteran.
Eli s love of the Giants means a lot to me. I like knowing these guys care about the team as much as we fans do, it s not a trait as prevelent as one might assume.
LOL. What you suggested would be the very first time in Eli’s 15-year NFL career in which he takes an action without his own personal interest being the top priority.
Why am I completely skeptical that you yourself come anywhere within a continent or two of being a paragon of altruism?
One counter example would have been powerful enough to discredit what I said. Just one.
LOL, and when did you stop sucking your daddy’s cock?
Tell us why Eli is selfish. And if it’s based on salary let me ask this. Do you go to work every day and volunteer to take a pay cut to help your company?
Exactly what I was thinking.
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If Giants were fortunate enough to land their future quarterback in the coming draft. I would welcome Eli in the Kurt Warner role more than any other veteran.
Eli s love of the Giants means a lot to me. I like knowing these guys care about the team as much as we fans do, it s not a trait as prevelent as one might assume.
LOL. What you suggested would be the very first time in Eli’s 15-year NFL career in which he takes an action without his own personal interest being the top priority.
Here we go, the Eli should take a pay cut for the team and him not doing that being selfish bit. Yes, Brady has done this, but he is also married to someone likely worth more than him. I think Eli is obviously nearing the end of his career and his skills are diminished, but he deserves every dollar he has gotten and continues to receive for (1) the 2 SB’s (2) the class he has displayed his whole career and what he has done for the community and (3) for taking the beating he has taken the last six years with the piece of shit line our front office has put together.
If Eli were to play out the remaining year on his contract, he will be the highest paid player in the history of the NFL in terms of career player contract earnings. Unless you also feel that he's the best player in NFL history, I don't know how you can claim that he deserves every dollar he has gotten.
If Eli were to play out the remaining year on his contract, he will be the highest paid player in the history of the NFL in terms of career player contract earnings. Unless you also feel that he's the best player in NFL history, I don't know how you can claim that he deserves every dollar he has gotten.
Lets rephrase this another way......
Would you give Eli the money he has received if it meant 2 SB titles in his career? Even if it meant being the highest paid player ever?
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If Eli were to play out the remaining year on his contract, he will be the highest paid player in the history of the NFL in terms of career player contract earnings. Unless you also feel that he's the best player in NFL history, I don't know how you can claim that he deserves every dollar he has gotten.
Lets rephrase this another way......
Would you give Eli the money he has received if it meant 2 SB titles in his career? Even if it meant being the highest paid player ever?
Not his market value as today. 5,6,7 years ago yeah
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If Eli were to play out the remaining year on his contract, he will be the highest paid player in the history of the NFL in terms of career player contract earnings. Unless you also feel that he's the best player in NFL history, I don't know how you can claim that he deserves every dollar he has gotten.
Lets rephrase this another way......
Would you give Eli the money he has received if it meant 2 SB titles in his career? Even if it meant being the highest paid player ever?
Let's rephrase it yet another way instead...
If Eli got paid over the course of his career more in line with his actual performance (and relative to his QB peers and their respective contracts), could the Giants have won more than they actually did because they could have used the resulting cap space to supplement the overall roster?
What is this freakin' sentimentality that wants to pay Eli 17M to "mentor" someone? And why would he even want to do that? Well, I take that back.....
He will not be extended after next year....this team is not going to the playoffs next year.....it's time to start using cap money wisely instead of spending it on Eli, Solder, Omameh, Stewart, Ogletree, Martin, Vernon, Jenkins, etc.
Yes we will suck for a few more years, but I'd rather suck because it was planned, rather than out of the false hope, "we are only a few players away"....
We let both lines deteriorate the last 8 years and are now paying for it....
If the DG, Shurm, Bettcher, Shula, Hunter regime is in charge of this rebuild, we are screwed.....Is there no one in this organization, besides Chris Mara, that can evaluate talent? OK, sarcasm off.....
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