Still want to watch every game.
Even though I know they should lose for the long tail.
I want them to win this week and the next.
I don't give a crap about draft position anymore, don't think there are blue chip QBs in this draft anyway.
Can't stand watching them walk off after losses, don't want the new kids to get used to it.
I'm rooting for victory on Monday night.
GO GIANTS.
But I think part of a turnaround isn't getting a single player, it's getting improvement from the team you have. You have to build a culture of winning. Expectancy to win. If it were somehow possible to go 5-3 in our final 8, if we showed some improvements across the board on offense and defense, it could mean a lot for the future of this franchise.
I'm with you. I'm hoping we win and that the PS/DG regime doesn't end up including a completely wasted season.
Why wouldn't we hope for the best-case scenario? What would that be?
1. We have our coach and GM of the future.
2. The roster is much more settled than we think it is.
3. We have our QB of the future.
Now, I might feel differently if after two weeks of planning we get completely torched by one of the worst teams in the league playing a third string QB. But this week at least, I'm hoping we show that we're better than our first half suggests.
I ve also seen how a few more wins in lost seasons might have cost the Giants players like LT and even Eli. As a result hard to understand how the short term gratification wins now, stands up against the impact a great player, in the long term.
I get not rooting for losses, but I just can't get emotionally invested in, winning now. I ll watch all the games, but won't be disappointed by losses.
Also Giants gave me 2 championships, if they never win again in my lifetime that is still 2 more than a lot of people, look at jets fans...
Also Giants gave me 2 championships, if they never win again in my lifetime that is still 2 more than a lot of people, look at jets fans...
Yup. In the last 25 years, only the teams led by Aikman, Brady, Ben and Eli have had 2 or more SB wins which is a blessing (and impressive given that a quarter of a century has passed), regardless of current status. Peyton won 2 but with different teams.
I prefer they lose so they don't get a false sense of security among other things. I want the best picks possible. This is an awful football team which the GM badly projected the projection of this team. The best way to get better is to have the best picks and draft smart (and don't be so stupid in FA.).
Is that how the Patriots been able to go to 8 Super Bowls last 13 years?
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The best way to get better is to have the best picks and draft smart (and don't be so stupid in FA.).
Is that how the Patriots been able to go to 8 Super Bowls last 13 years?
I think having the greatest coach ever and possibly the best QB ever makes their situation unique, no?
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The best way to get better is to have the best picks and draft smart (and don't be so stupid in FA.).
Is that how the Patriots been able to go to 8 Super Bowls last 13 years?
I think having the greatest coach ever and possibly the best QB ever makes their situation unique, no?
So all we need is a better coach and a better QB...
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The best way to get better is to have the best picks and draft smart (and don't be so stupid in FA.).
Is that how the Patriots been able to go to 8 Super Bowls last 13 years?
Really? You're going to use my statement against me without considering arguable the greatest coach and QB in NFL History as a model as to how a team should build?
As another poster said-- please explain who the Pats and Gmen are comparable? Belchick vs Shurmur who you got? A slight edge?
Brady vs Eli or next year's GMen QB- who you got? A slight edge?
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The best way to get better is to have the best picks and draft smart (and don't be so stupid in FA.).
Is that how the Patriots been able to go to 8 Super Bowls last 13 years?
I think having the greatest coach ever and possibly the best QB ever makes their situation unique, no?
So all we need is a better coach and a better QB...
Yeah you're right.
It's really simple. All the Gmen need is just any old all-time greatest coach and greatest QB in NFL History.
Simple fix. Thanks.
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The best way to get better is to have the best picks and draft smart (and don't be so stupid in FA.).
Is that how the Patriots been able to go to 8 Super Bowls last 13 years?
Really? You're going to use my statement against me without considering arguable the greatest coach and QB in NFL History as a model as to how a team should build?
As another poster said-- please explain who the Pats and Gmen are comparable? Belchick vs Shurmur who you got? A slight edge?
Brady vs Eli or next year's GMen QB- who you got? A slight edge?
Nah just saying you are right with your last arguement, not the first one(we need to tank to get better, since that hasnt helped any team like Browns) but your last arguement hit the nail on the head....we need to get rid of gentlemen and Eli...
Yeah and you can pretty much sign any position you need in FA for same price you pay your own players(OBJ is highest paid WR, in FA market would of been same price)
This team need a lot of moves to hit on players and get back up to par
Remember as a kid in 70s..the losing etc..but it made the winning years more appreciative in the 80s. You have to go thru tough times to get better
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The best way to get better is to have the best picks and draft smart (and don't be so stupid in FA.).
Is that how the Patriots been able to go to 8 Super Bowls last 13 years?
Really? You're going to use my statement against me without considering arguable the greatest coach and QB in NFL History as a model as to how a team should build?
As another poster said-- please explain who the Pats and Gmen are comparable? Belchick vs Shurmur who you got? A slight edge?
Brady vs Eli or next year's GMen QB- who you got? A slight edge?
Nah just saying you are right with your last arguement, not the first one(we need to tank to get better, since that hasnt helped any team like Browns) but your last arguement hit the nail on the head....we need to get rid of gentlemen and Eli...
Okay - I see what you're saying. But suppose there is only 1 good QB to draft? Someone just one pick ahead of you gets him.
To be pretty god in 2020 the GMen are an OLine and QB away, aren't they?
And I am not overly concerned this team can play 4 good enough quarters to beat anyone quite frankly. It will take a defense napping on OBJ or SB a couple of times to bring home a win.
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The best way to get better is to have the best picks and draft smart (and don't be so stupid in FA.).
Is that how the Patriots been able to go to 8 Super Bowls last 13 years?
Really? You're going to use my statement against me without considering arguable the greatest coach and QB in NFL History as a model as to how a team should build?
As another poster said-- please explain who the Pats and Gmen are comparable? Belchick vs Shurmur who you got? A slight edge?
Brady vs Eli or next year's GMen QB- who you got? A slight edge?
Nah just saying you are right with your last arguement, not the first one(we need to tank to get better, since that hasnt helped any team like Browns) but your last arguement hit the nail on the head....we need to get rid of gentlemen and Eli...
Okay - I see what you're saying. But suppose there is only 1 good QB to draft? Someone just one pick ahead of you gets him.
To be pretty god in 2020 the GMen are an OLine and QB away, aren't they?
Good QBs are really rare....even harder to know which is good...Aaron rodger was 24th overall( Alex smith was picked before him!)
Drew breeze was released by Chargers....
Brady was a 6th round pick.
Yes its hard but im just saying tanking doesnt help. If Ginats see a qb they like they do what Bears did for there QB(Give up 2 first round picks just to move up from 4th overall to 3rd overall) or what eagles did to get Wentz(give up 2 first round picks)
Obviously its worth it since its the major piece to the puzzle
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The best way to get better is to have the best picks and draft smart (and don't be so stupid in FA.).
Is that how the Patriots been able to go to 8 Super Bowls last 13 years?
Really? You're going to use my statement against me without considering arguable the greatest coach and QB in NFL History as a model as to how a team should build?
As another poster said-- please explain who the Pats and Gmen are comparable? Belchick vs Shurmur who you got? A slight edge?
Brady vs Eli or next year's GMen QB- who you got? A slight edge?
Nah just saying you are right with your last arguement, not the first one(we need to tank to get better, since that hasnt helped any team like Browns) but your last arguement hit the nail on the head....we need to get rid of gentlemen and Eli...
Okay - I see what you're saying. But suppose there is only 1 good QB to draft? Someone just one pick ahead of you gets him.
To be pretty god in 2020 the GMen are an OLine and QB away, aren't they?
Good QBs are really rare....even harder to know which is good...Aaron rodger was 24th overall( Alex smith was picked before him!)
Drew breeze was released by Chargers....
Brady was a 6th round pick.
Yes its hard but im just saying tanking doesnt help. If Ginats see a qb they like they do what Bears did for there QB(Give up 2 first round picks just to move up from 4th overall to 3rd overall) or what eagles did to get Wentz(give up 2 first round picks)
Obviously its worth it since its the major piece to the puzzle
But why can't the Gmen pick the right QB? If ARodgers is available why can't the GMen see it? I knwo it's hard - and there si some luck invloved-- I just prefer the Gmen be more of the oen to choose rather than luck (though ofc luck plays a part in everything.).
I don't want to give up picks. I won't have to if I make the right decision.
And I don't think the Gmen need a great QB-- they can get by with an average QB if they build up their OLine? DO you agree? But I think there are many QB's that are "good." Here are the good to great QB's so I don't think it "rare."
Mahomes, Brees, Rivers, Newton, Goff, Brady, BenRoeth, Cousins, Wilson, Ryan, Luck, Rodgers, and Wentz.
What's interesting is the losing in the 60s and 70s, while providing better draft positions, didn't translate into better teams. It wasn't until Roselle intervened and Mara agreed George Young would have complete say without Mara interference that the Giants suddenly started using those high draft positions to actually make good draft selections.
All the high picks in the world didn't make any difference throughout the losing period of the 60s and 70s.
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...Remember as a kid in 70s..the losing etc..but it made the winning years more appreciative in the 80s. You have to go thru tough times to get better
What's interesting is the losing in the 60s and 70s, while providing better draft positions, didn't translate into better teams. It wasn't until Roselle intervened and Mara agreed George Young would have complete say without Mara interference that the Giants suddenly started using those high draft positions to actually make good draft selections.
All the high picks in the world didn't make any difference throughout the losing period of the 60s and 70s.
in the 80's It helped when Gmen got Lawrence Taylor and Carl Banks, didn't it?
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The best way to get better is to have the best picks and draft smart (and don't be so stupid in FA.).
Is that how the Patriots been able to go to 8 Super Bowls last 13 years?
Really? You're going to use my statement against me without considering arguable the greatest coach and QB in NFL History as a model as to how a team should build?
As another poster said-- please explain who the Pats and Gmen are comparable? Belchick vs Shurmur who you got? A slight edge?
Brady vs Eli or next year's GMen QB- who you got? A slight edge?
Nah just saying you are right with your last arguement, not the first one(we need to tank to get better, since that hasnt helped any team like Browns) but your last arguement hit the nail on the head....we need to get rid of gentlemen and Eli...
Okay - I see what you're saying. But suppose there is only 1 good QB to draft? Someone just one pick ahead of you gets him.
To be pretty god in 2020 the GMen are an OLine and QB away, aren't they?
Good QBs are really rare....even harder to know which is good...Aaron rodger was 24th overall( Alex smith was picked before him!)
Drew breeze was released by Chargers....
Brady was a 6th round pick.
Yes its hard but im just saying tanking doesnt help. If Ginats see a qb they like they do what Bears did for there QB(Give up 2 first round picks just to move up from 4th overall to 3rd overall) or what eagles did to get Wentz(give up 2 first round picks)
Obviously its worth it since its the major piece to the puzzle
But why can't the Gmen pick the right QB? If ARodgers is available why can't the GMen see it? I knwo it's hard - and there si some luck invloved-- I just prefer the Gmen be more of the oen to choose rather than luck (though ofc luck plays a part in everything.).
I don't want to give up picks. I won't have to if I make the right decision.
And I don't think the Gmen need a great QB-- they can get by with an average QB if they build up their OLine? DO you agree? But I think there are many QB's that are "good." Here are the good to great QB's so I don't think it "rare."
Mahomes, Brees, Rivers, Newton, Goff, Brady, BenRoeth, Cousins, Wilson, Ryan, Luck, Rodgers, and Wentz.
Mainly because QB is a position that requires intelligence. To read coverages, think quick and smart. Its a mental game more then anything else and thats not something you can really scout
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The best way to get better is to have the best picks and draft smart (and don't be so stupid in FA.).
Is that how the Patriots been able to go to 8 Super Bowls last 13 years?
Really? You're going to use my statement against me without considering arguable the greatest coach and QB in NFL History as a model as to how a team should build?
As another poster said-- please explain who the Pats and Gmen are comparable? Belchick vs Shurmur who you got? A slight edge?
Brady vs Eli or next year's GMen QB- who you got? A slight edge?
Nah just saying you are right with your last arguement, not the first one(we need to tank to get better, since that hasnt helped any team like Browns) but your last arguement hit the nail on the head....we need to get rid of gentlemen and Eli...
Okay - I see what you're saying. But suppose there is only 1 good QB to draft? Someone just one pick ahead of you gets him.
To be pretty god in 2020 the GMen are an OLine and QB away, aren't they?
Good QBs are really rare....even harder to know which is good...Aaron rodger was 24th overall( Alex smith was picked before him!)
Drew breeze was released by Chargers....
Brady was a 6th round pick.
Yes its hard but im just saying tanking doesnt help. If Ginats see a qb they like they do what Bears did for there QB(Give up 2 first round picks just to move up from 4th overall to 3rd overall) or what eagles did to get Wentz(give up 2 first round picks)
Obviously its worth it since its the major piece to the puzzle
But why can't the Gmen pick the right QB? If ARodgers is available why can't the GMen see it? I knwo it's hard - and there si some luck invloved-- I just prefer the Gmen be more of the oen to choose rather than luck (though ofc luck plays a part in everything.).
I don't want to give up picks. I won't have to if I make the right decision.
And I don't think the Gmen need a great QB-- they can get by with an average QB if they build up their OLine? DO you agree? But I think there are many QB's that are "good." Here are the good to great QB's so I don't think it "rare."
Mahomes, Brees, Rivers, Newton, Goff, Brady, BenRoeth, Cousins, Wilson, Ryan, Luck, Rodgers, and Wentz.
Mainly because QB is a position that requires intelligence. To read coverages, think quick and smart. Its a mental game more then anything else and thats not something you can really scout
Goff and Wentz were taken 1st and 2nd. Ryan was drafted 3rd. Newton and Luck 1st. In 2004 Eli taken 1st, Rivers 4th and Ben 11th. Mahoems 10th. It's not that rare.
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...Remember as a kid in 70s..the losing etc..but it made the winning years more appreciative in the 80s. You have to go thru tough times to get better
What's interesting is the losing in the 60s and 70s, while providing better draft positions, didn't translate into better teams. It wasn't until Roselle intervened and Mara agreed George Young would have complete say without Mara interference that the Giants suddenly started using those high draft positions to actually make good draft selections.
All the high picks in the world didn't make any difference throughout the losing period of the 60s and 70s.
in the 80's It helped when Gmen got Lawrence Taylor and Carl Banks, didn't it?
Of course! You completely miss the point. High draft position, by itself, isn't enough. It wasn't until Mara agreed to stop interfering and let a football pro (George Young) make the decisions, that the Giants turned things around.
IF you play Lauletta then wouldn't the whole league laugh at you? And you think it won't be obvious the Gmen are tanking? You think Mara would ever agree to that? You think good Olinemen will want to come as FA's with Laultetta?
Then it takes over a year for a young QB to get good. Then the OL needs a year to gel usually though not neccessarily. SO you might not be good until 2021? If that is the case how many years did we waste with SB and OBJ?
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With the best pick possible, we can possibly upgrade the DL or OL significantly and get our QB in 2020 and just play Lauletta or a transitional FA vet QB that we sign next year.
IF you play Lauletta then wouldn't the whole league laugh at you? And you think it won't be obvious the Gmen are tanking? You think Mara would ever agree to that? You think good Olinemen will want to come as FA's with Laultetta?
Then it takes over a year for a young QB to get good. Then the OL needs a year to gel usually though not neccessarily. SO you might not be good until 2021? If that is the case how many years did we waste with SB and OBJ?
The league would laugh at the Giants because they're playing a young QB? My God.
They've already wasted a couple of years thinking this OL and Eli were good enough, when clearly, they were wrong. They were also wrong thinking this would be a quick fix.
It's going to take awhile to fix this. Might as well accept it. The OP of this thread is...I don't even know what to say.
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With the best pick possible, we can possibly upgrade the DL or OL significantly and get our QB in 2020 and just play Lauletta or a transitional FA vet QB that we sign next year.
IF you play Lauletta then wouldn't the whole league laugh at you? And you think it won't be obvious the Gmen are tanking? You think Mara would ever agree to that? You think good Olinemen will want to come as FA's with Laultetta?
Then it takes over a year for a young QB to get good. Then the OL needs a year to gel usually though not neccessarily. SO you might not be good until 2021? If that is the case how many years did we waste with SB and OBJ?
The league would laugh at the Giants because they're playing a young QB? My God.
They've already wasted a couple of years thinking this OL and Eli were good enough, when clearly, they were wrong. They were also wrong thinking this would be a quick fix.
It's going to take awhile to fix this. Might as well accept it. The OP of this thread is...I don't even know what to say.
WHy not play you're young grandson 10 or 12 or however old then? Are you seriously calling Lauletta a starting NFL QB?
You just want to come on here and fight? Seriously, what has Laualtta shown you that he could be starting QB over 16 games? Please explain.
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The best way to get better is to have the best picks and draft smart (and don't be so stupid in FA.).
Is that how the Patriots been able to go to 8 Super Bowls last 13 years?
Really? You're going to use my statement against me without considering arguable the greatest coach and QB in NFL History as a model as to how a team should build?
As another poster said-- please explain who the Pats and Gmen are comparable? Belchick vs Shurmur who you got? A slight edge?
Brady vs Eli or next year's GMen QB- who you got? A slight edge?
Nah just saying you are right with your last arguement, not the first one(we need to tank to get better, since that hasnt helped any team like Browns) but your last arguement hit the nail on the head....we need to get rid of gentlemen and Eli...
Okay - I see what you're saying. But suppose there is only 1 good QB to draft? Someone just one pick ahead of you gets him.
To be pretty god in 2020 the GMen are an OLine and QB away, aren't they?
Good QBs are really rare....even harder to know which is good...Aaron rodger was 24th overall( Alex smith was picked before him!)
Drew breeze was released by Chargers....
Brady was a 6th round pick.
Yes its hard but im just saying tanking doesnt help. If Ginats see a qb they like they do what Bears did for there QB(Give up 2 first round picks just to move up from 4th overall to 3rd overall) or what eagles did to get Wentz(give up 2 first round picks)
Obviously its worth it since its the major piece to the puzzle
But why can't the Gmen pick the right QB? If ARodgers is available why can't the GMen see it? I knwo it's hard - and there si some luck invloved-- I just prefer the Gmen be more of the oen to choose rather than luck (though ofc luck plays a part in everything.).
I don't want to give up picks. I won't have to if I make the right decision.
And I don't think the Gmen need a great QB-- they can get by with an average QB if they build up their OLine? DO you agree? But I think there are many QB's that are "good." Here are the good to great QB's so I don't think it "rare."
Mahomes, Brees, Rivers, Newton, Goff, Brady, BenRoeth, Cousins, Wilson, Ryan, Luck, Rodgers, and Wentz.
Mahomes,Goff, Wentz are on their rookie contracts so they dont count and I could count the rest QBs with my hands. Thats 10 QBs out of 7billion people in this world. That my friend is called rare
They don't count because they don't fit your argument. WHat do they mean they don't count? Because they are rookies it means the seasons they are having or had "are not good?" Huh?
Regardless of whether they are under rookie contracts they are GOOD QB's. It is NOT rare to find "good" QB's -- that's what you said. It was rare to find them. That's not true. They are not "rare." Qb's in their 2nd year can be considered "good."
Nearly half the league has "good" QB's. And the Gmen don't even NEED a "good" QB if they fix their OLINE. They can get by wiht an average one. But good ones are not rare.
They don't count because they don't fit your argument. WHat do they mean they don't count? Because they are rookies it means the seasons they are having or had "are not good?" Huh?
Regardless of whether they are under rookie contracts they are GOOD QB's. It is NOT rare to find "good" QB's -- that's what you said. It was rare to find them. That's not true. They are not "rare." Qb's in their 2nd year can be considered "good."
Nearly half the league has "good" QB's. And the Gmen don't even NEED a "good" QB if they fix their OLINE. They can get by wiht an average one. But good ones are not rare.
I dont think the OLine is the problem, I think we need a better Oline coach. If you pay close attention you would see most of the time they are just getting beat by stunts. We had a worse Oline 2013-2016....hell flowers was the best guy on the line but they still managed to win games. They are getting beat by mind games
Winning doesn’t carry over YoY. Too much roster turnover and mediocrity.
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They don't count because they don't fit your argument. WHat do they mean they don't count? Because they are rookies it means the seasons they are having or had "are not good?" Huh?
Regardless of whether they are under rookie contracts they are GOOD QB's. It is NOT rare to find "good" QB's -- that's what you said. It was rare to find them. That's not true. They are not "rare." Qb's in their 2nd year can be considered "good."
Nearly half the league has "good" QB's. And the Gmen don't even NEED a "good" QB if they fix their OLINE. They can get by wiht an average one. But good ones are not rare.
I dont think the OLine is the problem, I think we need a better Oline coach. If you pay close attention you would see most of the time they are just getting beat by stunts. We had a worse Oline 2013-2016....hell flowers was the best guy on the line but they still managed to win games. They are getting beat by mind games
Okay. We can agree to disagree. I think the OLine is getting beat because 60% aren't any good.
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Are you kidding?
They don't count because they don't fit your argument. WHat do they mean they don't count? Because they are rookies it means the seasons they are having or had "are not good?" Huh?
Regardless of whether they are under rookie contracts they are GOOD QB's. It is NOT rare to find "good" QB's -- that's what you said. It was rare to find them. That's not true. They are not "rare." Qb's in their 2nd year can be considered "good."
Nearly half the league has "good" QB's. And the Gmen don't even NEED a "good" QB if they fix their OLINE. They can get by wiht an average one. But good ones are not rare.
I dont think the OLine is the problem, I think we need a better Oline coach. If you pay close attention you would see most of the time they are just getting beat by stunts. We had a worse Oline 2013-2016....hell flowers was the best guy on the line but they still managed to win games. They are getting beat by mind games
Okay. We can agree to disagree. I think the OLine is getting beat because 60% aren't any good.
I think right now they can pay for the best OL on FA(which they did) and still have a poor OL because OL coach sucks.
You may be right, but conveniently, you won't have the opportunity to find out.
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Are you kidding?
They don't count because they don't fit your argument. WHat do they mean they don't count? Because they are rookies it means the seasons they are having or had "are not good?" Huh?
Regardless of whether they are under rookie contracts they are GOOD QB's. It is NOT rare to find "good" QB's -- that's what you said. It was rare to find them. That's not true. They are not "rare." Qb's in their 2nd year can be considered "good."
Nearly half the league has "good" QB's. And the Gmen don't even NEED a "good" QB if they fix their OLINE. They can get by wiht an average one. But good ones are not rare.
I dont think the OLine is the problem, I think we need a better Oline coach. If you pay close attention you would see most of the time they are just getting beat by stunts. We had a worse Oline 2013-2016....hell flowers was the best guy on the line but they still managed to win games. They are getting beat by mind games
Okay. We can agree to disagree. I think the OLine is getting beat because 60% aren't any good.
There is a very good chance that you are both right.
I love what Eli gave us in the past, but his time has passed.
I'm also sick of settling for FG's whenever the Giants are in the red zone.
I love what Eli gave us in the past, but his time has passed.
I'm also sick of settling for FG's whenever the Giants are in the red zone.
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Watch out Eli’s moms will post here soon. He’s not the problem - not even
Part of the problem they say -they feel sorry for those who don’t get it .
guys - there are plenty of problems on this team and they have lead us to poor leadership choices - poor player acquisition choices - because we had a weak roster we try everything as a fix -quit blaming position coaches - look around the league - until this year nobody from the giants roster was doing anything in this league. Nobody ever took our cuts - we had zero depth. It took several years to get this awful - it will take a few to get better - our OL our QB our secondary and our specials have been pretty bad for a while -
Our specials are actually getting better because the roster is actually improving but the rest isn’t here yet ! Blame Mara blame Reese - start there end there - quit picking at scabs - get to the reason you have them!!!!
The players do the best they can - they are the best we have - they don’t want to lose.
Everything is magnified when you go 4-20 and make the playoffs once in almost a decade. The problems started with awful drafting - and we still pay the price
I say 3 years for plan to be in place- we are in year 1. Obj and SB will not be young forever
The pressure is on
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I say 3 years for plan to be in place- we are in year 1. Obj and SB will not be young forever
The pressure is on
The key is the QB. Whether they draft one or get one in FA. In order for this team to maximize OBJ and SB a QB is a must as is an OLine as is good coaches.
I'm with you when it comes to 3 years. In those three years emphasis has to be on the offense so you can maximize the two superstars. Deliberately tanking to have a QB like Lauletta play all 16 games imo is a pipedream.
The Giants need 5 positions in 2019 in order to be decent in 2020. Three OLienmen, a QB and a pass rusher. Though I think they cna get by without a pass rusher in 2019 because they are going to stink anyways. Then in 2020 draft and free agency you can put all your resources on the pass rusher and defense one you fill the QB and OL weaknesses.