At least DG is cutting his losses. What a terrible signing. Omameh and Stewart basically gave the team nothing. Solder has been terrible as well, but okay giving him more time until we have more competent players around him.
on BBI about this guy. A supposed starting G getting only $5 million a year in the open market is a red flag of sorts. Pugh got $9 million per and most folks around here were glad to see him go.
on BBI about this guy. A supposed starting G getting only $5 million a year in the open market is a red flag of sorts. Pugh got $9 million per and most folks around here were glad to see him go.
Fluker only signed a one year deal for like 1.5M
The signing was a bad move. Cutting him was the right thing to do.
on BBI about this guy. A supposed starting G getting only $5 million a year in the open market is a red flag of sorts. Pugh got $9 million per and most folks around here were glad to see him go.
The optimism was fine, he was sort of a prospect in his own right. People writing him in as an OL building block were foolish though.
on BBI about this guy. A supposed starting G getting only $5 million a year in the open market is a red flag of sorts. Pugh got $9 million per and most folks around here were glad to see him go.
Fluker only signed a one year deal for like 1.5M
Yes, a one year prove-it deal for a guy trying to establish himself after busting in San Diego. I don't think people around here were viewing Omameh as a reclamation project.
Is Gettleman is running this team like it's a Yahoo fantasy football team.
Maybe we should limit his allowed waiver moves?
Are you suggesting he should have held on to him? Or that he shouldnt be trying to add players at all?
Wtf? Are you Omamehs mother? Its the only explanation...And fwiw, Mrs. Omameh, your son fucking sucks so stop whining about him getting dumped for a waiver wire claim. Instead of asking the league to change the rules to protect your son, how about telling him to play better?
Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
How is this, or Solder's contract for that matter the worst contract in NFL history? Or worse than any contract Sam Bradford has signed for that matter? Or Joe Flacco's? Or Jerrick McKinnon's?
Ive seen you say this several times presumably because you really believe it and it's just a silly thing to say.
Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
How is this, or Solder's contract for that matter the worst contract in NFL history? Or worse than any contract Sam Bradford has signed for that matter? Or Joe Flacco's? Or Jerrick McKinnon's?
Ive seen you say this several times presumably because you really believe it and it's just a silly thing to say.
Well McKinnon got hurt. Solder is playing as one of the worst tackles in the league and being paid as the highest. Being one of the worst and being paid as the best is the clearest way of being one of the worst contracts ever.
It was a poor signing and it hurt the team. Thats the real issue and problem.
I think evidence is mounting - in the aggregate, DG has made more poor moves than quality moves to help this team. It really would be a sin to keep him on as GM.
But hey - lets keep playing Eli because it gives us the best chance to win. So says that other horrific hire by DG, Pat Shurmur.
I believe that to be considered or vested for purposes of calculating compensatory picks a player must be on the team for 10 weeks
I think you may be right. There are obviously other factors like Pugh and Richberg's PT, whether Geno Smith factors, etc. But this move may free up the Kennard side of the ledger and get us an extra 5th round comp. At the very least I think it guarantees that one of Pugh/Richburg count. I'm sure that was a factor in this decision.
Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
How is this, or Solder's contract for that matter the worst contract in NFL history? Or worse than any contract Sam Bradford has signed for that matter? Or Joe Flacco's? Or Jerrick McKinnon's?
Ive seen you say this several times presumably because you really believe it and it's just a silly thing to say.
Well McKinnon got hurt. Solder is playing as one of the worst tackles in the league and being paid as the highest. Being one of the worst and being paid as the best is the clearest way of being one of the worst contracts ever.
Its not clear at all dep, youre just wrong. Solder plays a premium position and was all but unanimously considered to be the top LT on the market in the offseason. McKinnon is a running back who got 18 million guaranteed who never got more than 600 on the ground. What abput Sammy Watkins? Jordan Reed? Hell Cam Chancellor got 25 million guaranteed and played only 9 games.
Your assertion is just flat out wrong and silly.
Pretty surprised that they didnt wait until the offseason. With the
trades and the cuts, the Giants have thrown a lot of money away.
I thought that at least Omameh would stay as a backup until the offseason. The history with Giants linemen almost guarantees that Hernandez will go down.
Youre using guys who got hurt as comparisons, which isnt fair. Sammy Watkins has been very productive this year so I am not sure what that means.
Many people blasted the Solder signing because many felt he was an average tackle being paid premium money. And so far... he hasnt even been close to average.
I believe that to be considered or vested for purposes of calculating compensatory picks a player must be on the team for 10 weeks
I think you may be right. There are obviously other factors like Pugh and Richberg's PT, whether Geno Smith factors, etc. But this move may free up the Kennard side of the ledger and get us an extra 5th round comp. At the very least I think it guarantees that one of Pugh/Richburg count. I'm sure that was a factor in this decision.
I believe you are all correct. Now I am happy. I will check OTC to see when they update the projections.
He was the best RG that we could afford last offseason and was glad we got him, its sad he didnt turn out to good but I think the real problem is the OL coaching
I believe that to be considered or vested for purposes of calculating compensatory picks a player must be on the team for 10 weeks
I think you may be right. There are obviously other factors like Pugh and Richberg's PT, whether Geno Smith factors, etc. But this move may free up the Kennard side of the ledger and get us an extra 5th round comp. At the very least I think it guarantees that one of Pugh/Richburg count. I'm sure that was a factor in this decision.
I believe you are all correct. Now I am happy. I will check OTC to see when they update the projections.
Other regimes not so much. Omameh was human garbage, but he was strong and didn't get pushed back into the pocket.
Yeah if it was Reese I bet Omameh would be starting for another 3 years and Flowers would still be starting at LT...that guy never switched up the roster like Gentlemen is doing.
He felt it best to go with Flowers and Omameh and then grossly overpay for an old Left Tackle instead of trying to get two pretty good OLinemen.
I can't believe how bad the owner and past GM's have run this team into the ground. We're the Browns/Raiders of the NFC. At one time that would have been a compliment.
Minus 3 draft picks, this may have been the worst offseason Ive ever seen from a Giant GM in all my years as a fan.
For real he should of done the best he could to get Norwell...to expensive though. You gatta remember Gentlemen only inherited like 5mill cap last offseason
Youre using guys who got hurt as comparisons, which isnt fair. Sammy Watkins has been very productive this year so I am not sure what that means.
Many people blasted the Solder signing because many felt he was an average tackle being paid premium money. And so far... he hasnt even been close to average.
Im using Chancellor and Reed because they had extensive injury histories PRIOR to signing with those teams.
And, is he? He has 515 yards and 3 TDs thru 9 games, plus he too has an extensive injury history. Is that what you want in a 30 million dollar receiver?
Once again, your assertion that Solder signed "the worst contract in NFL history" is just fucking ludicrous.
He was the best RG that we could afford last offseason and was glad we got him, its sad he didnt turn out to good but I think the real problem is the OL coaching
in the grand scheme of things, but I wonder how many thousands it cost to cut Henderson, then put him on PS, then bring put him on active roster, when they could have just cut Omameh in the first place? Of course, they wouldn't have known a waiver pickup was going to be available, if O was indeed cut for putting in a claim on P
Minus 3 draft picks, this may have been the worst offseason Ive ever seen from a Giant GM in all my years as a fan.
For real he should of done the best he could to get Norwell...to expensive though. You gatta remember Gentlemen only inherited like 5mill cap last offseason
was a good move, following the bad decision to sign him. The reasons are obvious:
(1) He was awful.
(2) It guarantees we get a 4th round comp pick in 2019, which gives us three in that round.
(3) Henderson is back on the 53.
(4) They already feel confident enough in Brown, despite how little they have seen of him.
Which of DG's FA signings were any good? Solder, Stewart, Omameh, Martin, Mauro, Latimer, Shepard. What a waste.
He was the best RG that we could afford last offseason and was glad we got him, its sad he didnt turn out to good but I think the real problem is the OL coaching
Wrong!!! They should have kept Fluker.
According to PFF Omameh was better then Fluker and yes we still should of kept Fluker since he was cheap but I understand why he went with Omameh since he was ranked higher in the top 100 FAs
Even if the guy is terrible, seems like a weird mid season cut. It's not like he was preventing us from signing linemen of the scrap heap, was he?
I wouldn't discount that theory. Very odd move mid-season. Perhaps, he checked out mentally when he developed a "knee" and Greco took over. Then he sees Jamon claimed, and he might have "quit".
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The Giants are releasing guard Patrick Omameh, source confirmed @DDuggan21 report. Omameh was signed to a three-year, $15 million deal this offseason to be the starting right guard. Clearly that did not work out well. Giants will have a $3.5 million dead money cap hit next year.
Minus 3 draft picks, this may have been the worst offseason Ive ever seen from a Giant GM in all my years as a fan.
For real he should of done the best he could to get Norwell...to expensive though. You gatta remember Gentlemen only inherited like 5mill cap last offseason
They offered more than JAX. He just wanted to go there more.
RE: RE: So 2/5ths of our starting OL have been cut
Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
How is this, or Solder's contract for that matter the worst contract in NFL history? Or worse than any contract Sam Bradford has signed for that matter? Or Joe Flacco's? Or Jerrick McKinnon's?
Ive seen you say this several times presumably because you really believe it and it's just a silly thing to say.
Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf - there are probably at least 100 contracts that are worse than Solder's in the history of the NFL....
right. DG and his staff watched Omameh game videos from last year and liked what they watched. There were posters on here after the signing saying that he stunk.
Jerry played. The contract seemed high but I guess that is free agency inflation.
While I like the cut decision if the coaches/FO don't think guys will work out or be developed. But you don't get any kudos for the bad evaluation either.
With wasted cap space on the books, its another mistake for DG to me...
Lets pause to remember our Sr VP of player personnel
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The Giants are releasing guard Patrick Omameh, source confirmed @DDuggan21 report. Omameh was signed to a three-year, $15 million deal this offseason to be the starting right guard. Clearly that did not work out well. Giants will have a $3.5 million dead money cap hit next year.
The way I look at OTC, I believe next year dead cap will be $3.1 million.
And it gets tweaked from year to year, so the past isn't necessarily prologue when it comes to calculations. I think it's entirely possible that Geno Smith's $1M in salary and bonus doesn't qualify him.
p.s.--If it were up to me, I'd cut Kareem Martin just to be safe. Not sure if it's possible to release Cody Latimer with an injury settlement or that would be a no-brainer.
RE: RE: RE: So 2/5ths of our starting OL have been cut
Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
How is this, or Solder's contract for that matter the worst contract in NFL history? Or worse than any contract Sam Bradford has signed for that matter? Or Joe Flacco's? Or Jerrick McKinnon's?
Ive seen you say this several times presumably because you really believe it and it's just a silly thing to say.
Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf - there are probably at least 100 contracts that are worse than Solder's in the history of the NFL....
What players were paid more than anyone at their position while playing one of the worst in the league?
It was a poor signing and it hurt the team. Thats the real issue and problem.
I think evidence is mounting - in the aggregate, DG has made more poor moves than quality moves to help this team. It really would be a sin to keep him on as GM.
But hey - lets keep playing Eli because it gives us the best chance to win. So says that other horrific hire by DG, Pat Shurmur.
The season keeps getting better and better...
This offseason was so bad DG does not deserve to get another chance. He should "retire" and fresh, young people (multiple execs) should be hired to completely revamp player personnel.
RE: RE: RE: RE: So 2/5ths of our starting OL have been cut
Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
How is this, or Solder's contract for that matter the worst contract in NFL history? Or worse than any contract Sam Bradford has signed for that matter? Or Joe Flacco's? Or Jerrick McKinnon's?
Ive seen you say this several times presumably because you really believe it and it's just a silly thing to say.
Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf - there are probably at least 100 contracts that are worse than Solder's in the history of the NFL....
What players were paid more than anyone at their position while playing one of the worst in the league?
Huh?
Im just not going to argue this any more with you. Thats pointless anyways because you will never admit youre wrong even when you are dead fucking wrong.
Chris Mara specializes in NFL free agents. Thats his area of experience. Hes doing a great job.
This might explain why the draft was as good as the FA signings were bad. DG is ultimately responsible for every draft pick and FA signing, but he also has to rely on the opinions of other people. This FA debacle will hopefully convince him that like Ross, Mara should not be one of those people.
RE: Nothing about the comp pick formula is official...
And it gets tweaked from year to year, so the past isn't necessarily prologue when it comes to calculations. I think it's entirely possible that Geno Smith's $1M in salary and bonus doesn't qualify him.
p.s.--If it were up to me, I'd cut Kareem Martin just to be safe. Not sure if it's possible to release Cody Latimer with an injury settlement or that would be a no-brainer.
I agree with you 100%. Geno Smith is on the cusp of qualifying. He salary is ranked 962 by OTC. OTC projects the salary cutoff to qualify is 986 (top of page). I have seen that number change by OTC during the year. So, cutting another player from the list on the right (Martin, Latimer or Thomas) will guarantee the 5th rounder. I believe we have one more week to make a move.
I thought he was a LG who had a little experience on the right side. Its possible that he was signed to be the LG but once Hernandez was drafted,they decided Hernandez needs to play,at least as a rookie next to an experienced tackle. I wonder if Gettleman never expected Hernandez to be available in the 2nd round. Omameh was moved to the right side where he clearly sucked. It did not help that he was surrounded by real crap. Hopefully Jamon will rise above the center and RT
I wonder if part of his poor play is that hes used to Brady stepping up into the pocket and getting rid of the ball quickly. Eli cant or wont step up behind a bad interior line and Solder has to adapt to that which he hasnt.
I think maybe Mara wanted to give Eli another year after the debacle of last year. With all the revolt from last years benching they tried to sign some lineman in support of Eli. No way was Eli going to be cut by Mara after last year. DG signed some linemen in FA but he added nice pieces on D.
I think now we are seeing the full rebuild. It will be confirmed when they part ways with Eli after the season. Let's hope they get the right QB and we can be competitive next year with hopes of challenging in 3.
always know more than the GM, offers his opinion up like the gospel. Heres a couple of questions to answer: if not Solder than who? Flowers? The guy behind door # 3?. The reason Solder got his contract was because of Supply and Demand. After Norwell signed with Jack. DG had no choice. Kill him for the Omameh signing but the contract was pretty small for a starter. I think he knows the only way out of this is good drafting. Im willing to give him more than one off season to fix this (since Reese got like what 7?). What do you think?
always know more than the GM, offers his opinion up like the gospel. Heres a couple of questions to answer: if not Solder than who? Flowers? The guy behind door # 3?. The reason Solder got his contract was because of Supply and Demand. After Norwell signed with Jack. DG had no choice. Kill him for the Omameh signing but the contract was pretty small for a starter. I think he knows the only way out of this is good drafting. Im willing to give him more than one off season to fix this (since Reese got like what 7?). What do you think?
Its seems clear that DG tried hard to sign Norwell and then went to Solder when Norwell signed elsewhere. What was DGs plan for both tackle positions if he had signed Norwell?
always know more than the GM, offers his opinion up like the gospel. Heres a couple of questions to answer: if not Solder than who? Flowers? The guy behind door # 3?. The reason Solder got his contract was because of Supply and Demand. After Norwell signed with Jack. DG had no choice. Kill him for the Omameh signing but the contract was pretty small for a starter. I think he knows the only way out of this is good drafting. Im willing to give him more than one off season to fix this (since Reese got like what 7?). What do you think?
LOL, so supply and demand are reasons why a GM should hand out cap dollars like candy to shitty players?
What a ridiculous rationalization.
Gettleman seems to be struggling with player evaluation. The mere attempt to even sign Jonathan Stewart at all was a joke. Both linemen have been busts so far. He was wrong about the QB having "years left". This has been a complete failure on nearly every level.
I can't believe some of you guys are still trying to defend this. Gettleman has done a terrible job so far. It's inarguable.
I get the argument about limited options but there were other options. The Patriots traded a 3 for Brown and that was their contingency when their first rounder, that everybody had projected at G, went down with an injury. The Browns had Joe Thomas retire mid-offseason, they tried out an incumbent at LT before settling on a midround rookie at the position. Those are just examples of what other teams did without going in with Solder. I'm sure there are other creative means of filling or plugging that position as well, impossible to speculate since we don't have access to a pro personnel department and other NFL teams on speed dial to look into their roster.
Basically, they HAD to sign Solder if they were deadset on trying to compete in 2019. That was DGs fatal error. It was philosophical. This season should have been a punt from the start. Instead we're doing it midseason after compounding our debt. Having said all that, I am encouraged that they are making moves now instead of waiting until the offseason.
LOL, so supply and demand are reasons why a GM should hand out cap dollars like candy to shitty players?
What a ridiculous rationalization.
Gettleman seems to be struggling with player evaluation. The mere attempt to even sign Jonathan Stewart at all was a joke. Both linemen have been busts so far. He was wrong about the QB having "years left". This has been a complete failure on nearly every level.
I can't believe some of you guys are still trying to defend this. Gettleman has done a terrible job so far. It's inarguable.
Hard agree on this. Also want to add all this, people talking about his balls to cut bait. Barf. Im sorry but having to cut someone not even a full year into a 3 year contract and eating 10.5M Im dead money over 2 years doesnt deserve a commendation of any kind. People are now getting pats on the back for not being cowardly enough to keep someone that had to be benched and has been objectively a horrific signing?
What is it with some of you people and Gettleman. Is it just more comforting to admit we might be in good hands?
The one thing people lean on that he did right was draft Saquon Barkley and he mocked analytics while doing so. I love Saquon Barkley as much as anyone but scoffing at proper team construction and resource allocation analysis shouldnt be something fans are comfortable with so here, even if you agree with the result, the approach has to be questioned. Barkley was clearly the safest pick in terms of pure talent in maybe the last 10 years. How much credit should you really get for taking that guy anyway?
What I keep coming back to is process. Please convince me why anyone should be confident about the Giants ownership process to hire Gettleman. Or Gettlemans process this offseason. Or Shurmers process as a coach. There is ample evidence that our processes are shitty too to bottom and have been and people need to stop defending this. Ownership shouldnt think there is a side to this where fans believe they are doing a good job. Only then are we going to see the change we need.
I am looking where the deadline for releasing players
and count for and against the compensation formula. I thought the deadline was the 10th game played by the team. It looks more like its the 10 week of the season. So, additional guys may have to be cut this week to count
Also take note that only certain players qualify for the compensatory formula. From OTC:
Adam explains this further:
In order to qualify for the comp equation, a player must have been a true Unrestricted Free Agent whose contract had expired or was voided after the previous season (i.e., he cannot have been released by his old team); he must sign during the UFA signing period (which ended July 27 last year); if he signs after June 1, he must have been tendered a June 1 qualifying offer by his old team; his compensatory value or contract value must be above a specific minimum amount; and he cannot have been permanently released by his new team before a certain point in the season (which seems to be after Week 10) or, possibly, before getting a certain amount of playing time, unless he was claimed off waivers by another team.
Paying a guy the most money ever at a position and he is performing at or near the bottom of the league doesnt put him in the category of worst contract ever?
A GM always has a choice. The notion that he was forced into signing this player is just complete nonsense.
Nobody said he was FORCED to sign Solder. But in a way there is a possibility DG was forced. If your boss tells you he wants you to do something a certain way, you do it. Period. That's it. It's been more than just slightly apparent that Mara clearly wanted to take a stab at making a final run this year with Eli's contract in its final two years. Solder was absolutely the very best option to solidify that position. There wasn't very many here who thought he would play this poorly when we signed him.
Its also very obvious that something has happened where the FO is selling off anything it can, for whatever it can. Something tells me that Mara is sold on a tear down hence giving Snacks, Flowers and Omameh away.
Maybe its not the ideal way of doing a rebuild, but if the boss wants you to do something, no matter how dumb you think it is, you dont resist. Especially in your first year. Its not like the Giants can vote Mara out as owner if the board doesnt like what his vision for the team is.
Paying a guy the most money ever at a position and he is performing at or near the bottom of the league doesnt put him in the category of worst contract ever?
Lol, dead fucking wrong?? Lol, sure.
No dep, it doesnt. Keep laughing to yourself, the rest of us will just keep laughing at your shitty posts.
I wonder if part of his poor play is that hes used to Brady stepping up into the pocket and getting rid of the ball quickly. Eli cant or wont step up behind a bad interior line and Solder has to adapt to that which he hasnt.
I agree with you assessment wholeheartedly. DG did the best he could and why he went the free agent route. He focused on the D in the draft to start on the rebuild on that side.
I think Mara definitely wanted Eli this year and wanted to see spend what money was available on the OL. It did not work and now the full rebuild is on.
I would not be surprised if he went back to Jax but it would be
I am looking forward to 4 more years of Solders shitty play and people telling me it wasnt an all time bad contract.
Considering only 3 or 4 of the 11 players on offense are earning their contracts, Im going to hold off on calling any of them busts or horrible contracts until our QB is gone and the franchise can move forward. You may not want to admit that Elis inability to throw even with a clean pocket is dragging this offense down, but Im wont.
No doubt in my mind Solder plays just fine staying in NE. If you want to believe otherwise, go for it.
I am looking forward to 4 more years of Solders shitty play and people telling me it wasnt an all time bad contract.
Sounds like you want him to fail.
And also backpedaling already. Notice how he went from "the worst contract in NFL history" to "an all time bad contract."
Diff btwn worst all time and bad is that Solder has played every game so far no? Plus I guess it is completely out of the vast realm that is dep's football acumen that he might have an injury that is exacerbated his bad play? Or that the rest of the line is so bad he never gets TE help?
Yup....dep, youre right on the money and everybody else is wrong, as per usual.
RE: RE: So 2/5ths of our starting OL have been cut
Just like other players, but I guess only some get excuses made for them.
Only Eli.
And it's not even that he gets excuses, it's that a move that addresses the position group dep bitches the most about causes him to throw a fit. There's literally nothing Gettleman can do right.
RE: RE: RE: So 2/5ths of our starting OL have been cut
Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
You're fucking ridiculous.
So youre saying DG did a good job with the OL this offseason. I mean cutting two starters mid year is not the norm, ya know?
He's not doubling down on his moves like Reese did. If Reese cut Jerry the season he signed him, would you be bitching about that too? You're fucking impossible.
Just like other players, but I guess only some get excuses made for them.
Only Eli.
And it's not even that he gets excuses, it's that a move that addresses the position group dep bitches the most about causes him to throw a fit. There's literally nothing Gettleman can do right.
Yes... he can put a competent OL in place and not sign scrubs who get cut mid year for being awful.
Dep is being a bit dramatic but point remains Giants have gotten killed thus far with that deal...
Hindsight is 20/20. It's nonsense to pretend that Gettleman should have known Solder would be as bad as he's been. And it's a dick move to be outraged that he's cutting Omameh. Are you with dep that we should be jumping on DG for this move?
RE: RE: RE: So 2/5ths of our starting OL have been cut
Dep is being a bit dramatic but point remains Giants have gotten killed thus far with that deal...
For sure. But its thus far. Lets see it play out. But being billed the worst contact in history is completely agenda based and honestly not worth responding too.
RE: RE: RE: So 2/5ths of our starting OL have been cut
Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
You're fucking ridiculous.
Like a kid throwing a temper tantrum on a kickball field.
I don't mind criticizing DG for his FA moves. They were mostly duds. But to get on him for them after this move makes no damn sense. He cut one of his mistakes. That should be a good thing in a fan's mind.
Solder is having a bad year. But I guess calling him the worst contract of all time is incredibly logical after half a season.
Whether its about Eli, a fantasy player, the Bulls, etc you really dig on on what you like and dont like and dont budge. You double and triple down and then get mad when people dont agree with you.
In the league needs TE help.... it kind of proves my point. Doesnt it? Lol.
You guys are all right. Solder has been solid this year and his contract isnt bad. Its Elis fault and he isnt getting help. Thats all... lol.
No....it really doesnt...you thick, loudmouthed simpleton. You are suggesting that the contract of a guy who plays every game is worse than contracts that were signed by teams on players with a noted injury history that miss significant time as the worst in history.
Dont you tire of people pointing out to you that you're brain-dead?
This is like when Go Terps rants about OBJ or Vernon
on BBI about this guy. A supposed starting G getting only $5 million a year in the open market is a red flag of sorts. Pugh got $9 million per and most folks around here were glad to see him go.
Fluker only signed a one year deal for like 1.5M
Fluker sucks. Period. Get over it. He had an effective range of two yards.
Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
You're fucking ridiculous.
Like a kid throwing a temper tantrum on a kickball field.
Lol you guys are the ones flying the curses and insults. Time to look in the mirror bud.
Im not your bud...I didnt think you were COMPLETELY out to lunch until fairly recently, but you are easily top 3 most irritating and irrational posters on this fucking thing.
In the league needs TE help.... it kind of proves my point. Doesnt it? Lol.
You guys are all right. Solder has been solid this year and his contract isnt bad. Its Elis fault and he isnt getting help. Thats all... lol.
No....it really doesnt...you thick, loudmouthed simpleton. You are suggesting that the contract of a guy who plays every game is worse than contracts that were signed by teams on players with a noted injury history that miss significant time as the worst in history.
Dont you tire of people pointing out to you that you're brain-dead?
Solder is having a bad year. But I guess calling him the worst contract of all time is incredibly logical after half a season.
Whether its about Eli, a fantasy player, the Bulls, etc you really dig on on what you like and dont like and dont budge. You double and triple down and then get mad when people dont agree with you.
Here comes the triple down with an arrogant "lol" at the end.....
Dep is being a bit dramatic but point remains Giants have gotten killed thus far with that deal...
Hindsight is 20/20. It's nonsense to pretend that Gettleman should have known Solder would be as bad as he's been. And it's a dick move to be outraged that he's cutting Omameh. Are you with dep that we should be jumping on DG for this move?
Easy...not sure where you are going with this but back down with your pitchfork. Solder got a shitload of money like most overrated free agents. Yes, I know he was, or may have been one of the better options available but I can criticize any damn move made that I want. And this one is clearly critical-worthy...
It is his work as a whole with FAs. Solder, Omameh, Stewart, etc. sucked but part of that is the position we are in. No player is coming here via FA for equal or less money. Shitty teams have to overpay. That is just reality.
The good news is we capitalized where it matters and that is in the draft. We just have to keep that going. When it comes to FA now we have to find bargains. We cannot be players in the first wave of FA. It is too expensive. See what players are still around that teams aren't going hard after initially and get players for cheaper values and see what sticks. It is okay to miss on FAs. It is just much more difficult to deal with when the contract is huge.
In the league needs TE help.... it kind of proves my point. Doesnt it? Lol.
You guys are all right. Solder has been solid this year and his contract isnt bad. Its Elis fault and he isnt getting help. Thats all... lol.
No....it really doesnt...you thick, loudmouthed simpleton. You are suggesting that the contract of a guy who plays every game is worse than contracts that were signed by teams on players with a noted injury history that miss significant time as the worst in history.
Dont you tire of people pointing out to you that you're brain-dead?
Lol. Whos throwing the tantrum now.
Calm down buddy. This isnt the end of the world.
Im not throwing the tantrum. Im sitting here eating a sandwich and sneering at your nonsense as you innundate us with lols as if you are above the rest of us.
Solder is having a bad year. But I guess calling him the worst contract of all time is incredibly logical after half a season.
Whether its about Eli, a fantasy player, the Bulls, etc you really dig on on what you like and dont like and dont budge. You double and triple down and then get mad when people dont agree with you.
No I dont care if people disagree with me. What I find funny is when I give an opinion that people take personal shots or bring up history on non related topics and just hurl insult after insult.
Dep is being a bit dramatic but point remains Giants have gotten killed thus far with that deal...
For sure. But its thus far. Lets see it play out. But being billed the worst contact in history is completely agenda based and honestly not worth responding too.
What does cutting Omameh have to do with the Solder signing? I have no problem criticizing Gettleman for his misses in FA, but this isn't a thread that would seem to warrant that reaction. This is one where we say, "well, at least he can admit when he misses".
What does cutting Omameh have to do with the Solder signing? I have no problem criticizing Gettleman for his misses in FA, but this isn't a thread that would seem to warrant that reaction. This is one where we say, "well, at least he can admit when he misses".
Agreed. But keep in mind what has happened with oline is at core of most problems so threads sometimes drift as you know within the same conversation.
He had a terrible first free agency period with the Giants but instead of hanging onto Omameh in hopes that he plays better next season, possibly under a new OL coach, in order to justify the signing he admitted his mistake and now the Giants will receive another 4th round pick in return. Reese would have hung onto Omameh.
He had a terrible first free agency period with the Giants but instead of hanging onto Omameh in hopes that he plays better next season, possibly under a new OL coach, in order to justify the signing he admitted his mistake and now the Giants will receive another 4th round pick in return. Reese would have hung onto Omameh.
He had a terrible first free agency period with the Giants but instead of hanging onto Omameh in hopes that he plays better next season, possibly under a new OL coach, in order to justify the signing he admitted his mistake and now the Giants will receive another 4th round pick in return. Reese would have hung onto Omameh.
yep, but only very little...
RE: RE: I will give Gettleman just a little credit here
He had a terrible first free agency period with the Giants but instead of hanging onto Omameh in hopes that he plays better next season, possibly under a new OL coach, in order to justify the signing he admitted his mistake and now the Giants will receive another 4th round pick in return. Reese would have hung onto Omameh.
Im speaking only for myself, not interested in name calling. Just seems odd how far you go on things that are still going to take a long time to play out. Add in how much you defend Eli no matter what and it shouldnt be difficult to see why people find some of your posts to be ludicrous.
To put on my optimism hat (whoops, i may have thrown it away)
I used to think that, until we started reading about how bad his communications are on the line. You can't slot someone between C & RT who can't communicate
Im speaking only for myself, not interested in name calling. Just seems odd how far you go on things that are still going to take a long time to play out. Add in how much you defend Eli no matter what and it shouldnt be difficult to see why people find some of your posts to be ludicrous.
Chopper asked me a question and I answered it. He didnt like my opinion and went on a tangent. Ill back my opinion as much as possible.
I really could care less if I am right or wrong. I dont think Solder is or was a good signing. His play this year has been deplorable. So when you put together his play plus his contract, I have no problem with my original statement. Is it too early to say it? Probably... but maybe it does come true?
But look whats being said. Just terrible things. I mean people are even bringing up Eli as a reason why I am wrong. Just madness.
But I always liked and respected you... so I actually will listen to what you say. But some of these other posters... I feel sorry for them.
Would anyone want Ereck Flowers back on this team in any capacity?? Complete cancer, an idiot, and was clearly not serious about playing professional football.
Im speaking only for myself, not interested in name calling. Just seems odd how far you go on things that are still going to take a long time to play out. Add in how much you defend Eli no matter what and it shouldnt be difficult to see why people find some of your posts to be ludicrous.
Chopper asked me a question and I answered it. He didnt like my opinion and went on a tangent. Ill back my opinion as much as possible.
I really could care less if I am right or wrong. I dont think Solder is or was a good signing. His play this year has been deplorable. So when you put together his play plus his contract, I have no problem with my original statement. Is it too early to say it? Probably... but maybe it does come true?
But look whats being said. Just terrible things. I mean people are even bringing up Eli as a reason why I am wrong. Just madness.
But I always liked and respected you... so I actually will listen to what you say. But some of these other posters... I feel sorry for them.
Would anyone want Ereck Flowers back on this team in any capacity?? Complete cancer, an idiot, and was clearly not serious about playing professional football.
damn Chop...I sounded good in that Solder signing thread.
:-)
I was just about to remark you were the only one to really call it! Lol, UConn was skeptical but warmed up it seems as the thread continued, but only you hated the deal and numbers from get out. Props indeed.
damn Chop...I sounded good in that Solder signing thread.
:-)
I was just about to remark you were the only one to really call it! Lol, UConn was skeptical but warmed up it seems as the thread continued, but only you hated the deal and numbers from get out. Props indeed.
Thanks but of course wish I was wrong on this and Eli...
At least we have the college season to think about our next set of guys...
At some point Mara will read one of my emails and we will get back on top...
Googs.....you have to write hand written LETTERS....and have them sent by messenger pigeon. That's the way Wellington did it and the only way to send correspondence to (pokes bw) Jints Central. LOL
At some point Mara will read one of my emails and we will get back on top...
Googs.....you have to write hand written LETTERS....and have them sent by messenger pigeon. That's the way Wellington did it and the only way to send correspondence to (pokes bw) Jints Central. LOL
Damn, i would gladly walk the letter all the way from Atlanta to NYC if Mara would actually take some real 3rd party advice.
Is Gettleman is running this team like it's a Yahoo fantasy football team.
Maybe we should limit his allowed waiver moves?
Are you suggesting he should have held on to him? Or that he shouldnt be trying to add players at all?
Wtf? Are you Omamehs mother? Its the only explanation...And fwiw, Mrs. Omameh, your son fucking sucks so stop whining about him getting dumped for a waiver wire claim. Instead of asking the league to change the rules to protect your son, how about telling him to play better?
You're a joke.
Gettleman missed on all of his FA signings.
Great he figured it out, awesome.
It was a bad signing, like every other one he made this year.
I only hope Mara cuts bait as quick.
RE: RE: Lets pause to remember our Sr VP of player personnel
Chris Mara specializes in NFL free agents. Thats his area of experience. Hes doing a great job.
This might explain why the draft was as good as the FA signings were bad. DG is ultimately responsible for every draft pick and FA signing, but he also has to rely on the opinions of other people. This FA debacle will hopefully convince him that like Ross, Mara should not be one of those people.
He can't fire Mara.
I'm more and more of the opinion that Reese largely, since Mara was "promoted" in 2011, gave wide leeway to his roster ideas.
You are over top with the DG talk. Hes not the laughing stock of the laught. He has had a good track record in free agency in the past. Yes this was not a good year for him but no one would have ever imagined Solder playing so bad.
Also people seem to just overlook the fact that he seemed to have a really good draft as it appears so far. And good drafting is what will make this a good team that stays good, not free agency.
And if we have learned anything, we have learned that no matter how good your skill players are, you cannot and will not win with a horrible line. I truly believe even with an avg line this time would be in playoff contention
Is Gettleman is running this team like it's a Yahoo fantasy football team.
Maybe we should limit his allowed waiver moves?
Are you suggesting he should have held on to him? Or that he shouldnt be trying to add players at all?
Wtf? Are you Omamehs mother? Its the only explanation...And fwiw, Mrs. Omameh, your son fucking sucks so stop whining about him getting dumped for a waiver wire claim. Instead of asking the league to change the rules to protect your son, how about telling him to play better?
You're a joke.
Gettleman missed on all of his FA signings.
Great he figured it out, awesome.
It was a bad signing, like every other one he made this year.
I only hope Mara cuts bait as quick.
BW Webb is looking like a good signing to be fair.
I couldn't even get through all the anger in the thread above.
My 2 cents' worth on this: We are seeing much more accountability for the players in this regime. O-line stinks? Flowers, gone. Omameh, gone. At least they are identifying problems and getting rid of them. The last regime seemed to be stuck in "Well, there's nobody better available, so we might as well stick with the guys we have."
The new regime seems to think "This guy's playing like crap. Let's move on and try someone else. What the hell, we can finish last without him."
I couldn't even get through all the anger in the thread above.
My 2 cents' worth on this: We are seeing much more accountability for the players in this regime. O-line stinks? Flowers, gone. Omameh, gone. At least they are identifying problems and getting rid of them. The last regime seemed to be stuck in "Well, there's nobody better available, so we might as well stick with the guys we have."
The new regime seems to think "This guy's playing like crap. Let's move on and try someone else. What the hell, we can finish last without him."
Much better IMO.
Fans are going to be grouchy when their team continues losing. Gettleman's accountability is very peculiar: he gets rid of the better players and the lower players. Sometimes he replaces a decent player with a lower-talent player. Personally, I don't think DG knows what he's doing.
I couldn't even get through all the anger in the thread above.
My 2 cents' worth on this: We are seeing much more accountability for the players in this regime. O-line stinks? Flowers, gone. Omameh, gone. At least they are identifying problems and getting rid of them. The last regime seemed to be stuck in "Well, there's nobody better available, so we might as well stick with the guys we have."
The new regime seems to think "This guy's playing like crap. Let's move on and try someone else. What the hell, we can finish last without him."
Much better IMO.
Fans are going to be grouchy when their team continues losing. Gettleman's accountability is very peculiar: he gets rid of the better players and the lower players. Sometimes he replaces a decent player with a lower-talent player. Personally, I don't think DG knows what he's doing.
Besides Fluker for Omameh what better player did he get rid of that he replaced with lesser players? Fluker left via free agency and he wasn't a big loss as some make him out to be. Flowers was a cancer and had to be cut. He was playing very poorly at RT anyway so there was no decline by inserting Wheeler.
I couldn't even get through all the anger in the thread above.
My 2 cents' worth on this: We are seeing much more accountability for the players in this regime. O-line stinks? Flowers, gone. Omameh, gone. At least they are identifying problems and getting rid of them. The last regime seemed to be stuck in "Well, there's nobody better available, so we might as well stick with the guys we have."
The new regime seems to think "This guy's playing like crap. Let's move on and try someone else. What the hell, we can finish last without him."
Much better IMO.
Fans are going to be grouchy when their team continues losing. Gettleman's accountability is very peculiar: he gets rid of the better players and the lower players. Sometimes he replaces a decent player with a lower-talent player. Personally, I don't think DG knows what he's doing.
Besides Fluker for Omameh what better player did he get rid of that he replaced with lesser players? Fluker left via free agency and he wasn't a big loss as some make him out to be. Flowers was a cancer and had to be cut. He was playing very poorly at RT anyway so there was no decline by inserting Wheeler.
Funny thing about Fluker is he would have been helpful with Barkley selection. Some extreme arrogance and incompetence assuming the current unit could run block and pass block.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Wow, losing makes for grouchy fans.
Funny thing about Fluker is he would have been helpful with Barkley selection. Some extreme arrogance and incompetence assuming the current unit could run block and pass block.
Omameh was supposed to be a better version of Fluker but he was just a lesser version.
Talent evaluation continues to be a massive, massive problem.
This right here. Making a mistake and correcting it isn't the worst thing in the world. It seems like it has been an offseason of mistakes, following what have been 5 years of them, with a brief hiatus in between.
It still looks to me like the Giants have a scouting problem, one not limited to college personnel. I'm less taken back by the fact that Omameh was signed and then cut than the possibility that the next moves are just as bad if not worse.
As for Omameh - if he and Solder were plan B, have a look at Norwell. He's been doing poorly in Jax. So that's two we signed, and one we had interest in - and none of them have amounted to crap. And Norwell doesn't have the excuse of playing on the Giants shitty line, where you could at least blame linemates or coaching on underperformance.
It really looks like our plans centered around three players who at the end of the day have proven to be worthless.
and I don't mean to single out these posters, I think it's reflective of the optimism that a lot of BBI had at the time that moving McAdoo along would go a long way towards solving the problem:
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Will impact the perception of our ol.
Its going to be night and day and with the signings yesterday its looking up for the offense
Turns out the playcalling and roster changes did absolutely squat for the Giants. The playcalling might be a bigger disappointment than some of these busts.
Mmmmmmmm, its not safe at all to say that. Saquon, Carter, Hernandez and Hill all look like players and they all will lilely be here longer than Solder, Stewart or, well, Omameh would.
Mmmmmmmm, its not safe at all to say that. Saquon, Carter, Hernandez and Hill all look like players and they all will lilely be here longer than Solder, Stewart or, well, Omameh would.
Carter really hasn't done much. Credit for Hill, saquon and Hernandez were easy.
Mmmmmmmm, its not safe at all to say that. Saquon, Carter, Hernandez and Hill all look like players and they all will lilely be here longer than Solder, Stewart or, well, Omameh would.
Carter really hasn't done much. Credit for Hill, saquon and Hernandez were easy.
Ummmigahd! He is a rookie with 2 sacks in 8 games. But fine. 1 out of his top 4 picks is middling. Jeezus.
I did not contribute in that thread but if I did, I probably would have said that we had no choice but to pay this guy since our prior decisions were so poor.
I did not contribute in that thread but if I did, I probably would have said that we had no choice but to pay this guy since our prior decisions were so poor.
I totally agree Eric. I think judging this GM based on three apparently forced FA moves (Stewart was a halfassed signing to guard against the oft chance that the Browns took Saquon at one EEARLY on before the eemergence of Mayfield for the BBrowns). Yes, Dave Gettleman threw some money at problems.
The key question I have with those doubting his ability as a GM or talent evaluator or whatever else is that we dont know what THE BOSS wanted. Its the same in politics. Shit rolls downhill.
It makes no sense to me the idea that Omameh and Solder, based also in the way their contracts were structured, were in DG's plans for the team beyond 2 years. John wanted to give it a shot with Eli despite DG's misgivings. DG cited the only game that could be a convincing argument for going at it again with Eli (who by the way, was uncuttable this year with a 20 million hit) and then stuck wine corks (Solder, Omameh) in a failing dike to appease his boss.
It didnt work out. We spent a lot of money on players who performed poorly. But to discern this series of moves as those of a bumbling, old, sick man who is hell bent on his agenda rather than a team's success which dictates his legacy is careless, sloppy, and in my mind, doesnt make sense.
Mmmmmmmm, its not safe at all to say that. Saquon, Carter, Hernandez and Hill all look like players and they all will lilely be here longer than Solder, Stewart or, well, Omameh would.
Carter really hasn't done much. Credit for Hill, saquon and Hernandez were easy.
Ummmigahd! He is a rookie with 2 sacks in 8 games. But fine. 1 out of his top 4 picks is middling. Jeezus.
What? It's true. On a team with zero pass rush and plenty of opportunity, he's not been able to do much. Maybe he'll be good in a year or two, or maybe he'll play out his rookie deal and move on like the rest of the failed attempts in the past.
But clearly Hill and Hernandez can play. That we've actually seen.
RE: RE: RE: So 2/5ths of our starting OL have been cut
Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
How is this, or Solder's contract for that matter the worst contract in NFL history? Or worse than any contract Sam Bradford has signed for that matter? Or Joe Flacco's? Or Jerrick McKinnon's?
Ive seen you say this several times presumably because you really believe it and it's just a silly thing to say.
Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf - there are probably at least 100 contracts that are worse than Solder's in the history of the NFL....
Russell's rookie deal was six years $68m, 31 guaranteed. Solder signed for four years $68m, 35 guaranteed.
Yes, Solder's deal is worse. It's more money in a shorter period. What does ryan leaf's contract from 1998 really mean? Did you just google bad nfl contracts in history? 4 years 31m isn't even close to Solder or Russell.
RE: RE: RE: RE: So 2/5ths of our starting OL have been cut
Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
How is this, or Solder's contract for that matter the worst contract in NFL history? Or worse than any contract Sam Bradford has signed for that matter? Or Joe Flacco's? Or Jerrick McKinnon's?
Ive seen you say this several times presumably because you really believe it and it's just a silly thing to say.
Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf - there are probably at least 100 contracts that are worse than Solder's in the history of the NFL....
Russell's rookie deal was six years $68m, 31 guaranteed. Solder signed for four years $68m, 35 guaranteed.
Yes, Solder's deal is worse. It's more money in a shorter period. What does ryan leaf's contract from 1998 really mean? Did you just google bad nfl contracts in history? 4 years 31m isn't even close to Solder or Russell.
Cool logic. Let's talk about this in ten years when it will have ceased to be a bad contract.
Mmmmmmmm, its not safe at all to say that. Saquon, Carter, Hernandez and Hill all look like players and they all will lilely be here longer than Solder, Stewart or, well, Omameh would.
Carter really hasn't done much. Credit for Hill, saquon and Hernandez were easy.
Ummmigahd! He is a rookie with 2 sacks in 8 games. But fine. 1 out of his top 4 picks is middling. Jeezus.
What? It's true. On a team with zero pass rush and plenty of opportunity, he's not been able to do much. Maybe he'll be good in a year or two, or maybe he'll play out his rookie deal and move on like the rest of the failed attempts in the past.
But clearly Hill and Hernandez can play. That we've actually seen.
Carter can too. Hes just raw. Osi had only one sack and 26 total tackles (18 solo, 8 ast) as a rookie. Carter has 27 total, 18 solo and 2 sacks. Not everybody puts up Von Miller numbers. Hell Leonard Floyd who most compare Carter to had only 7 sacks his rookie year.
RE: RE: RE: RE: So 2/5ths of our starting OL have been cut
Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
How is this, or Solder's contract for that matter the worst contract in NFL history? Or worse than any contract Sam Bradford has signed for that matter? Or Joe Flacco's? Or Jerrick McKinnon's?
Ive seen you say this several times presumably because you really believe it and it's just a silly thing to say.
Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf - there are probably at least 100 contracts that are worse than Solder's in the history of the NFL....
Russell's rookie deal was six years $68m, 31 guaranteed. Solder signed for four years $68m, 35 guaranteed.
Yes, Solder's deal is worse. It's more money in a shorter period. What does ryan leaf's contract from 1998 really mean? Did you just google bad nfl contracts in history? 4 years 31m isn't even close to Solder or Russell.
You also neglected to point out its really only a two year contract as theres an out in '20 and our dead cap is only 8.
I have no idea why you are defending dep's stupid ass point as it is not an evil contract
Is Gettleman is running this team like it's a Yahoo fantasy football team.
Maybe we should limit his allowed waiver moves?
Are you suggesting he should have held on to him? Or that he shouldnt be trying to add players at all?
Wtf? Are you Omamehs mother? Its the only explanation...And fwiw, Mrs. Omameh, your son fucking sucks so stop whining about him getting dumped for a waiver wire claim. Instead of asking the league to change the rules to protect your son, how about telling him to play better?
You're a joke.
Gettleman missed on all of his FA signings.
Great he figured it out, awesome.
It was a bad signing, like every other one he made this year.
I only hope Mara cuts bait as quick.
Agree on DG, and lets not forget that great Ogletree trade taking on his contract while he has been invisible on the D. You have to wonder why a team with SB aspirations (Rams) would trade a starting LB for a 3rd rd pick.
I agree, although I read that Solder likes to route speed rushers around behind the QB pocket and that because the center and guards allow pressure up the middle Eli cannot step up to let the pressure run past.
I agree, although I read that Solder likes to route speed rushers around behind the QB pocket and that because the center and guards allow pressure up the middle Eli cannot step up to let the pressure run past.
But he really hasnt done that either. He has whiffed a lot this year and been beaten on the inside as well. He has to be more versatile. I have been shocked how easily he gets pushed back for a man of his size.
I agree, although I read that Solder likes to route speed rushers around behind the QB pocket and that because the center and guards allow pressure up the middle Eli cannot step up to let the pressure run past.
But he really hasnt done that either. He has whiffed a lot this year and been beaten on the inside as well. He has to be more versatile. I have been shocked how easily he gets pushed back for a man of his size.
I think most of his misses are to the outside. Yes he had a couple inside, true.
While I basically agree with you and have even posted that he is no better than Flowers, so called scouts have been talking about his style of pushing people outside as a reason for his putrid performance. And I also never thought that much of him in NE, either.
However, I am happy that Omameh was let go. Why wait til year end. Yes the signing sucked but at least they did not hold on to him when it was clear he did not improve.
Glad this happened without delay. But, as always, the lack of information here about who was responsible for and who did what in the process of signing him in the first place is infuriating.
As others have observed, the Giants seems inexcusably weak in the selection and preparation of Offensive linemen. Who is involved, from the ground up? Forget about the top-line overseers, who of course, have to bear ultimate blame for this situation. But who did they in turn rely on when they made their decisions? Do the lower-down, nameless characters in this sorry story, repeated year after year, still have jobs with the Giants? The answer ought to be "No!'. But we don't even know who they are. They may be the real gum in the machine, the spoke in the wheel.
I think the draft was great. The FA signings were terrible but we were a terrible team. We overpaid for Solder mainly because there were few options. People may have balked at the price but few balked at the player including me. Our OL and cap were a mess.
We just simply didn't have the money or draft picks to fix this team. He had a successful draft. Now we have to have another next year.
FA is not a way to build. You cap off with Gas like we did in 2004 and 5. The building blocks were in place.
Giants should eat as much dead money now as they can. They're going to stink in 2019 anyway. Still kind of upset they didn't move Vernon and Collins, but oh well.
Spotrac has had the updated details from the moment he was waived. BBI was lamenting the "disastrous" deal the Omameh signed, but it wasn't that bad. The deal looked worse because his future year salaries were guaranteed inflating the numbers. But those salaries are only guaranteed if he is on the roster. The only thing that we are responsible for is the signing bonus (Total $4.5M - $1.5M this year and $3M next) and the combined base salary and workout bonus for this year $1M. So we will eat $3M next year, but we save his salary for 2019 ($4.6M). Omameh's Contract - ( New Window )
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I don't think we find that out until Monday
I guess no harm, no foul
Good job DG.
About 7M in dead money this year. 3M dead money next year with a net cap savings of 1.5M for '19.
Good move. You can't get back sunk cost, if you have a losing hand you fold.
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Fluker only signed a one year deal for like 1.5M
Jamon
I'm thinking Jamon Brown?
The optimism was fine, he was sort of a prospect in his own right. People writing him in as an OL building block were foolish though.
Maybe we should limit his allowed waiver moves?
evaluation and selection. Dreadful x5
Problem is there's zero evidence that he has any clue what he's doing.
Horrible hire. John Mara would be very smart to walk away from him in the off-season. He won't, but he should
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on BBI about this guy. A supposed starting G getting only $5 million a year in the open market is a red flag of sorts. Pugh got $9 million per and most folks around here were glad to see him go.
Fluker only signed a one year deal for like 1.5M
Yes, a one year prove-it deal for a guy trying to establish himself after busting in San Diego. I don't think people around here were viewing Omameh as a reclamation project.
Maybe we should limit his allowed waiver moves?
Are you suggesting he should have held on to him? Or that he shouldnt be trying to add players at all?
Wtf? Are you Omamehs mother? Its the only explanation...And fwiw, Mrs. Omameh, your son fucking sucks so stop whining about him getting dumped for a waiver wire claim. Instead of asking the league to change the rules to protect your son, how about telling him to play better?
Good job DG.
How is this, or Solder's contract for that matter the worst contract in NFL history? Or worse than any contract Sam Bradford has signed for that matter? Or Joe Flacco's? Or Jerrick McKinnon's?
Ive seen you say this several times presumably because you really believe it and it's just a silly thing to say.
Based upon over the cap the Giants may be able to get an additional 5 th round pick
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Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
How is this, or Solder's contract for that matter the worst contract in NFL history? Or worse than any contract Sam Bradford has signed for that matter? Or Joe Flacco's? Or Jerrick McKinnon's?
Ive seen you say this several times presumably because you really believe it and it's just a silly thing to say.
Well McKinnon got hurt. Solder is playing as one of the worst tackles in the league and being paid as the highest. Being one of the worst and being paid as the best is the clearest way of being one of the worst contracts ever.
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Cutting Patrick Omameh just before Week 10's games should seal up for the Giants a 4th round 2019 compensatory pick for Justin Pugh.
Should Geno Smith also qualify for the formula in their favor, NYG may also get a 5th or 6th rounder for Devon Kennard.
It was a poor signing and it hurt the team. Thats the real issue and problem.
I think evidence is mounting - in the aggregate, DG has made more poor moves than quality moves to help this team. It really would be a sin to keep him on as GM.
But hey - lets keep playing Eli because it gives us the best chance to win. So says that other horrific hire by DG, Pat Shurmur.
The season keeps getting better and better...
I think you may be right. There are obviously other factors like Pugh and Richberg's PT, whether Geno Smith factors, etc. But this move may free up the Kennard side of the ledger and get us an extra 5th round comp. At the very least I think it guarantees that one of Pugh/Richburg count. I'm sure that was a factor in this decision.
Abrams would know this, makes me think maybe they are planning on claiming Pasztor.
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Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
How is this, or Solder's contract for that matter the worst contract in NFL history? Or worse than any contract Sam Bradford has signed for that matter? Or Joe Flacco's? Or Jerrick McKinnon's?
Ive seen you say this several times presumably because you really believe it and it's just a silly thing to say.
Well McKinnon got hurt. Solder is playing as one of the worst tackles in the league and being paid as the highest. Being one of the worst and being paid as the best is the clearest way of being one of the worst contracts ever.
Its not clear at all dep, youre just wrong. Solder plays a premium position and was all but unanimously considered to be the top LT on the market in the offseason. McKinnon is a running back who got 18 million guaranteed who never got more than 600 on the ground. What abput Sammy Watkins? Jordan Reed? Hell Cam Chancellor got 25 million guaranteed and played only 9 games.
Your assertion is just flat out wrong and silly.
I thought that at least Omameh would stay as a backup until the offseason. The history with Giants linemen almost guarantees that Hernandez will go down.
Brown must be looking pretty good.
Good job DG.
But if only we had a more mobile QB.
Many people blasted the Solder signing because many felt he was an average tackle being paid premium money. And so far... he hasnt even been close to average.
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I think you may be right. There are obviously other factors like Pugh and Richberg's PT, whether Geno Smith factors, etc. But this move may free up the Kennard side of the ledger and get us an extra 5th round comp. At the very least I think it guarantees that one of Pugh/Richburg count. I'm sure that was a factor in this decision.
I believe you are all correct. Now I am happy. I will check OTC to see when they update the projections.
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I believe that to be considered or vested for purposes of calculating compensatory picks a player must be on the team for 10 weeks
I think you may be right. There are obviously other factors like Pugh and Richberg's PT, whether Geno Smith factors, etc. But this move may free up the Kennard side of the ledger and get us an extra 5th round comp. At the very least I think it guarantees that one of Pugh/Richburg count. I'm sure that was a factor in this decision.
I believe you are all correct. Now I am happy. I will check OTC to see when they update the projections.
Yup. Now we dont have to worry as much about Geno Smith calculations messing up Pugh 4 round compensation.
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Yeah if it was Reese I bet Omameh would be starting for another 3 years and Flowers would still be starting at LT...that guy never switched up the roster like Gentlemen is doing.
I can't believe how bad the owner and past GM's have run this team into the ground. We're the Browns/Raiders of the NFC. At one time that would have been a compliment.
For real he should of done the best he could to get Norwell...to expensive though. You gatta remember Gentlemen only inherited like 5mill cap last offseason
Many people blasted the Solder signing because many felt he was an average tackle being paid premium money. And so far... he hasnt even been close to average.
Im using Chancellor and Reed because they had extensive injury histories PRIOR to signing with those teams.
And, is he? He has 515 yards and 3 TDs thru 9 games, plus he too has an extensive injury history. Is that what you want in a 30 million dollar receiver?
Once again, your assertion that Solder signed "the worst contract in NFL history" is just fucking ludicrous.
Wrong!!! They should have kept Fluker.
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For real he should of done the best he could to get Norwell...to expensive though. You gatta remember Gentlemen only inherited like 5mill cap last offseason
Hows it going, NYK?
(1) He was awful.
(2) It guarantees we get a 4th round comp pick in 2019, which gives us three in that round.
(3) Henderson is back on the 53.
(4) They already feel confident enough in Brown, despite how little they have seen of him.
Which of DG's FA signings were any good? Solder, Stewart, Omameh, Martin, Mauro, Latimer, Shepard. What a waste.
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Wrong!!! They should have kept Fluker.
According to PFF Omameh was better then Fluker and yes we still should of kept Fluker since he was cheap but I understand why he went with Omameh since he was ranked higher in the top 100 FAs
Then it was a no brainer.
Hope thats true thats good news. BJ Goodson been playing pretty good and he a 4th rounder.
Good job DG.
Laying it on thiiiicck. No love for JaMarcus Russell?
I wouldn't discount that theory. Very odd move mid-season. Perhaps, he checked out mentally when he developed a "knee" and Greco took over. Then he sees Jamon claimed, and he might have "quit".
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The Giants are releasing guard Patrick Omameh, source confirmed @DDuggan21 report. Omameh was signed to a three-year, $15 million deal this offseason to be the starting right guard. Clearly that did not work out well. Giants will have a $3.5 million dead money cap hit next year.
Gains them a 4th comp.
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Minus 3 draft picks, this may have been the worst offseason Ive ever seen from a Giant GM in all my years as a fan.
For real he should of done the best he could to get Norwell...to expensive though. You gatta remember Gentlemen only inherited like 5mill cap last offseason
They offered more than JAX. He just wanted to go there more.
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Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
How is this, or Solder's contract for that matter the worst contract in NFL history? Or worse than any contract Sam Bradford has signed for that matter? Or Joe Flacco's? Or Jerrick McKinnon's?
Ive seen you say this several times presumably because you really believe it and it's just a silly thing to say.
Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf - there are probably at least 100 contracts that are worse than Solder's in the history of the NFL....
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I never thought Omameh was a world beater but I figured he had to be better than John Jerry in the run game.
Turns out Jerry was a significantly better player than Omameh
While I like the cut decision if the coaches/FO don't think guys will work out or be developed. But you don't get any kudos for the bad evaluation either.
With wasted cap space on the books, its another mistake for DG to me...
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The Giants are releasing guard Patrick Omameh, source confirmed @DDuggan21 report. Omameh was signed to a three-year, $15 million deal this offseason to be the starting right guard. Clearly that did not work out well. Giants will have a $3.5 million dead money cap hit next year.
The way I look at OTC, I believe next year dead cap will be $3.1 million.
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p.s.--If it were up to me, I'd cut Kareem Martin just to be safe. Not sure if it's possible to release Cody Latimer with an injury settlement or that would be a no-brainer.
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Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
How is this, or Solder's contract for that matter the worst contract in NFL history? Or worse than any contract Sam Bradford has signed for that matter? Or Joe Flacco's? Or Jerrick McKinnon's?
Ive seen you say this several times presumably because you really believe it and it's just a silly thing to say.
Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf - there are probably at least 100 contracts that are worse than Solder's in the history of the NFL....
What players were paid more than anyone at their position while playing one of the worst in the league?
It was a poor signing and it hurt the team. Thats the real issue and problem.
I think evidence is mounting - in the aggregate, DG has made more poor moves than quality moves to help this team. It really would be a sin to keep him on as GM.
But hey - lets keep playing Eli because it gives us the best chance to win. So says that other horrific hire by DG, Pat Shurmur.
The season keeps getting better and better...
This offseason was so bad DG does not deserve to get another chance. He should "retire" and fresh, young people (multiple execs) should be hired to completely revamp player personnel.
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Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
How is this, or Solder's contract for that matter the worst contract in NFL history? Or worse than any contract Sam Bradford has signed for that matter? Or Joe Flacco's? Or Jerrick McKinnon's?
Ive seen you say this several times presumably because you really believe it and it's just a silly thing to say.
Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf - there are probably at least 100 contracts that are worse than Solder's in the history of the NFL....
What players were paid more than anyone at their position while playing one of the worst in the league?
Huh?
Im just not going to argue this any more with you. Thats pointless anyways because you will never admit youre wrong even when you are dead fucking wrong.
Enjoy your day dep
This might explain why the draft was as good as the FA signings were bad. DG is ultimately responsible for every draft pick and FA signing, but he also has to rely on the opinions of other people. This FA debacle will hopefully convince him that like Ross, Mara should not be one of those people.
p.s.--If it were up to me, I'd cut Kareem Martin just to be safe. Not sure if it's possible to release Cody Latimer with an injury settlement or that would be a no-brainer.
I agree with you 100%. Geno Smith is on the cusp of qualifying. He salary is ranked 962 by OTC. OTC projects the salary cutoff to qualify is 986 (top of page). I have seen that number change by OTC during the year. So, cutting another player from the list on the right (Martin, Latimer or Thomas) will guarantee the 5th rounder. I believe we have one more week to make a move.
The moves in FA (Solder, Omameh, Stewart) are win now moves...
Now the narrative has changed so cut bait on the guys not in plans for 2019?
Apple, Snacks... maybe Jackrabbit, etc...
more to come?
I think now we are seeing the full rebuild. It will be confirmed when they part ways with Eli after the season. Let's hope they get the right QB and we can be competitive next year with hopes of challenging in 3.
DG & Shurmur have done nothing to inspire confidence thus far. Nothing.
Hasnt happened with Flowers yet.
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always know more than the GM, offers his opinion up like the gospel. Heres a couple of questions to answer: if not Solder than who? Flowers? The guy behind door # 3?. The reason Solder got his contract was because of Supply and Demand. After Norwell signed with Jack. DG had no choice. Kill him for the Omameh signing but the contract was pretty small for a starter. I think he knows the only way out of this is good drafting. Im willing to give him more than one off season to fix this (since Reese got like what 7?). What do you think?
Excellent post Dave.
Ditto.
What a ridiculous rationalization.
Gettleman seems to be struggling with player evaluation. The mere attempt to even sign Jonathan Stewart at all was a joke. Both linemen have been busts so far. He was wrong about the QB having "years left". This has been a complete failure on nearly every level.
I can't believe some of you guys are still trying to defend this. Gettleman has done a terrible job so far. It's inarguable.
Basically, they HAD to sign Solder if they were deadset on trying to compete in 2019. That was DGs fatal error. It was philosophical. This season should have been a punt from the start. Instead we're doing it midseason after compounding our debt. Having said all that, I am encouraged that they are making moves now instead of waiting until the offseason.
What a ridiculous rationalization.
Gettleman seems to be struggling with player evaluation. The mere attempt to even sign Jonathan Stewart at all was a joke. Both linemen have been busts so far. He was wrong about the QB having "years left". This has been a complete failure on nearly every level.
I can't believe some of you guys are still trying to defend this. Gettleman has done a terrible job so far. It's inarguable.
Hard agree on this. Also want to add all this, people talking about his balls to cut bait. Barf. Im sorry but having to cut someone not even a full year into a 3 year contract and eating 10.5M Im dead money over 2 years doesnt deserve a commendation of any kind. People are now getting pats on the back for not being cowardly enough to keep someone that had to be benched and has been objectively a horrific signing?
What is it with some of you people and Gettleman. Is it just more comforting to admit we might be in good hands?
The one thing people lean on that he did right was draft Saquon Barkley and he mocked analytics while doing so. I love Saquon Barkley as much as anyone but scoffing at proper team construction and resource allocation analysis shouldnt be something fans are comfortable with so here, even if you agree with the result, the approach has to be questioned. Barkley was clearly the safest pick in terms of pure talent in maybe the last 10 years. How much credit should you really get for taking that guy anyway?
What I keep coming back to is process. Please convince me why anyone should be confident about the Giants ownership process to hire Gettleman. Or Gettlemans process this offseason. Or Shurmers process as a coach. There is ample evidence that our processes are shitty too to bottom and have been and people need to stop defending this. Ownership shouldnt think there is a side to this where fans believe they are doing a good job. Only then are we going to see the change we need.
Also take note that only certain players qualify for the compensatory formula. From OTC:
Adam explains this further:
In order to qualify for the comp equation, a player must have been a true Unrestricted Free Agent whose contract had expired or was voided after the previous season (i.e., he cannot have been released by his old team); he must sign during the UFA signing period (which ended July 27 last year); if he signs after June 1, he must have been tendered a June 1 qualifying offer by his old team; his compensatory value or contract value must be above a specific minimum amount; and he cannot have been permanently released by his new team before a certain point in the season (which seems to be after Week 10) or, possibly, before getting a certain amount of playing time, unless he was claimed off waivers by another team.
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Lol, dead fucking wrong?? Lol, sure.
Bingo. The Solder and Omameh deals were panic moves. Panic moves that essentially are prolonging the process of getting back to good.
Why? His work ethic/attitude is terrible. Hes not a NFL lineman.
Maybe DG will draft 2/5th or 3/5th of the Wisconsin O line.
Nobody said he was FORCED to sign Solder. But in a way there is a possibility DG was forced. If your boss tells you he wants you to do something a certain way, you do it. Period. That's it. It's been more than just slightly apparent that Mara clearly wanted to take a stab at making a final run this year with Eli's contract in its final two years. Solder was absolutely the very best option to solidify that position. There wasn't very many here who thought he would play this poorly when we signed him.
Its also very obvious that something has happened where the FO is selling off anything it can, for whatever it can. Something tells me that Mara is sold on a tear down hence giving Snacks, Flowers and Omameh away.
Maybe its not the ideal way of doing a rebuild, but if the boss wants you to do something, no matter how dumb you think it is, you dont resist. Especially in your first year. Its not like the Giants can vote Mara out as owner if the board doesnt like what his vision for the team is.
Lol, dead fucking wrong?? Lol, sure.
No dep, it doesnt. Keep laughing to yourself, the rest of us will just keep laughing at your shitty posts.
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I think Mara definitely wanted Eli this year and wanted to see spend what money was available on the OL. It did not work and now the full rebuild is on.
I look forward to the next grossly exaggerated post to somehow prolong Elis legacy around here.
Sounds like you want him to fail.
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I am looking forward to 4 more years of Solders shitty play and people telling me it wasnt an all time bad contract.
Sounds like you want him to fail.
I dont want him too. He is failing.
Considering only 3 or 4 of the 11 players on offense are earning their contracts, Im going to hold off on calling any of them busts or horrible contracts until our QB is gone and the franchise can move forward. You may not want to admit that Elis inability to throw even with a clean pocket is dragging this offense down, but Im wont.
No doubt in my mind Solder plays just fine staying in NE. If you want to believe otherwise, go for it.
Good job DG.
You're fucking ridiculous.
Thats a new one. Its gonna be a sad time for posters when Eli is gone after this year. Theyll need new scapegoats on why the team will suck.
Elis poor play has nothing to do with Solders ability to block. But I will say solders inability to block has affected...
Nah never mind. Dont think you would understand...
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I am looking forward to 4 more years of Solders shitty play and people telling me it wasnt an all time bad contract.
Sounds like you want him to fail.
And also backpedaling already. Notice how he went from "the worst contract in NFL history" to "an all time bad contract."
Diff btwn worst all time and bad is that Solder has played every game so far no? Plus I guess it is completely out of the vast realm that is dep's football acumen that he might have an injury that is exacerbated his bad play? Or that the rest of the line is so bad he never gets TE help?
Yup....dep, youre right on the money and everybody else is wrong, as per usual.
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Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
You're fucking ridiculous.
So youre saying DG did a good job with the OL this offseason. I mean cutting two starters mid year is not the norm, ya know?
And it's not even that he gets excuses, it's that a move that addresses the position group dep bitches the most about causes him to throw a fit. There's literally nothing Gettleman can do right.
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Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
You're fucking ridiculous.
So youre saying DG did a good job with the OL this offseason. I mean cutting two starters mid year is not the norm, ya know?
He's not doubling down on his moves like Reese did. If Reese cut Jerry the season he signed him, would you be bitching about that too? You're fucking impossible.
You guys are all right. Solder has been solid this year and his contract isnt bad. Its Elis fault and he isnt getting help. Thats all... lol.
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Just like other players, but I guess only some get excuses made for them.
Only Eli.
And it's not even that he gets excuses, it's that a move that addresses the position group dep bitches the most about causes him to throw a fit. There's literally nothing Gettleman can do right.
Yes... he can put a competent OL in place and not sign scrubs who get cut mid year for being awful.
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Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
You're fucking ridiculous.
Like a kid throwing a temper tantrum on a kickball field.
Just because it may sound dramatic doesnt make it less true. Solder hasnt even been average. But thats because he doesnt get TE help.
Hindsight is 20/20. It's nonsense to pretend that Gettleman should have known Solder would be as bad as he's been. And it's a dick move to be outraged that he's cutting Omameh. Are you with dep that we should be jumping on DG for this move?
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Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
You're fucking ridiculous.
Like a kid throwing a temper tantrum on a kickball field.
Lol you guys are the ones flying the curses and insults. Time to look in the mirror bud.
For sure. But its thus far. Lets see it play out. But being billed the worst contact in history is completely agenda based and honestly not worth responding too.
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Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
You're fucking ridiculous.
Like a kid throwing a temper tantrum on a kickball field.
I don't mind criticizing DG for his FA moves. They were mostly duds. But to get on him for them after this move makes no damn sense. He cut one of his mistakes. That should be a good thing in a fan's mind.
Whether its about Eli, a fantasy player, the Bulls, etc you really dig on on what you like and dont like and dont budge. You double and triple down and then get mad when people dont agree with you.
You guys are all right. Solder has been solid this year and his contract isnt bad. Its Elis fault and he isnt getting help. Thats all... lol.
No....it really doesnt...you thick, loudmouthed simpleton. You are suggesting that the contract of a guy who plays every game is worse than contracts that were signed by teams on players with a noted injury history that miss significant time as the worst in history.
Dont you tire of people pointing out to you that you're brain-dead?
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on BBI about this guy. A supposed starting G getting only $5 million a year in the open market is a red flag of sorts. Pugh got $9 million per and most folks around here were glad to see him go.
Fluker only signed a one year deal for like 1.5M
Fluker sucks. Period. Get over it. He had an effective range of two yards.
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Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
You're fucking ridiculous.
Like a kid throwing a temper tantrum on a kickball field.
Lol you guys are the ones flying the curses and insults. Time to look in the mirror bud.
Im not your bud...I didnt think you were COMPLETELY out to lunch until fairly recently, but you are easily top 3 most irritating and irrational posters on this fucking thing.
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In the league needs TE help.... it kind of proves my point. Doesnt it? Lol.
You guys are all right. Solder has been solid this year and his contract isnt bad. Its Elis fault and he isnt getting help. Thats all... lol.
No....it really doesnt...you thick, loudmouthed simpleton. You are suggesting that the contract of a guy who plays every game is worse than contracts that were signed by teams on players with a noted injury history that miss significant time as the worst in history.
Dont you tire of people pointing out to you that you're brain-dead?
Lol. Whos throwing the tantrum now.
Calm down buddy. This isnt the end of the world.
Whether its about Eli, a fantasy player, the Bulls, etc you really dig on on what you like and dont like and dont budge. You double and triple down and then get mad when people dont agree with you.
Here comes the triple down with an arrogant "lol" at the end.....
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Dep is being a bit dramatic but point remains Giants have gotten killed thus far with that deal...
Hindsight is 20/20. It's nonsense to pretend that Gettleman should have known Solder would be as bad as he's been. And it's a dick move to be outraged that he's cutting Omameh. Are you with dep that we should be jumping on DG for this move?
Easy...not sure where you are going with this but back down with your pitchfork. Solder got a shitload of money like most overrated free agents. Yes, I know he was, or may have been one of the better options available but I can criticize any damn move made that I want. And this one is clearly critical-worthy...
The good news is we capitalized where it matters and that is in the draft. We just have to keep that going. When it comes to FA now we have to find bargains. We cannot be players in the first wave of FA. It is too expensive. See what players are still around that teams aren't going hard after initially and get players for cheaper values and see what sticks. It is okay to miss on FAs. It is just much more difficult to deal with when the contract is huge.
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In the league needs TE help.... it kind of proves my point. Doesnt it? Lol.
You guys are all right. Solder has been solid this year and his contract isnt bad. Its Elis fault and he isnt getting help. Thats all... lol.
No....it really doesnt...you thick, loudmouthed simpleton. You are suggesting that the contract of a guy who plays every game is worse than contracts that were signed by teams on players with a noted injury history that miss significant time as the worst in history.
Dont you tire of people pointing out to you that you're brain-dead?
Lol. Whos throwing the tantrum now.
Calm down buddy. This isnt the end of the world.
Im not throwing the tantrum. Im sitting here eating a sandwich and sneering at your nonsense as you innundate us with lols as if you are above the rest of us.
Again, not your buddy. Maybe go take a walk.
Whether its about Eli, a fantasy player, the Bulls, etc you really dig on on what you like and dont like and dont budge. You double and triple down and then get mad when people dont agree with you.
No I dont care if people disagree with me. What I find funny is when I give an opinion that people take personal shots or bring up history on non related topics and just hurl insult after insult.
Its BBI. I am use to it.
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Dep is being a bit dramatic but point remains Giants have gotten killed thus far with that deal...
For sure. But its thus far. Lets see it play out. But being billed the worst contact in history is completely agenda based and honestly not worth responding too.
totally agree Jim
Time for a break chopper.
Agreed. But keep in mind what has happened with oline is at core of most problems so threads sometimes drift as you know within the same conversation.
no worries from me...
The end.
The end.
Nobody is arguing with you about this.
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Omameh sucked and it was an awful signing.
The end.
Nobody is arguing with you about this.
Not yet... haha
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Omameh sucked and it was an awful signing.
The end.
Nobody is arguing with you about this.
Literally nobody.
Right on the money.
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yep, but only very little...
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yep, but only very little...
Agreed.
:-)
UCONN wasnt really fooled. Can you dig up the reaction to the worst contract in NFL history so we can see how certain prognosticators reacted?
Chopper asked me a question and I answered it. He didnt like my opinion and went on a tangent. Ill back my opinion as much as possible.
I really could care less if I am right or wrong. I dont think Solder is or was a good signing. His play this year has been deplorable. So when you put together his play plus his contract, I have no problem with my original statement. Is it too early to say it? Probably... but maybe it does come true?
But look whats being said. Just terrible things. I mean people are even bringing up Eli as a reason why I am wrong. Just madness.
But I always liked and respected you... so I actually will listen to what you say. But some of these other posters... I feel sorry for them.
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Im speaking only for myself, not interested in name calling. Just seems odd how far you go on things that are still going to take a long time to play out. Add in how much you defend Eli no matter what and it shouldnt be difficult to see why people find some of your posts to be ludicrous.
Chopper asked me a question and I answered it. He didnt like my opinion and went on a tangent. Ill back my opinion as much as possible.
I really could care less if I am right or wrong. I dont think Solder is or was a good signing. His play this year has been deplorable. So when you put together his play plus his contract, I have no problem with my original statement. Is it too early to say it? Probably... but maybe it does come true?
But look whats being said. Just terrible things. I mean people are even bringing up Eli as a reason why I am wrong. Just madness.
But I always liked and respected you... so I actually will listen to what you say. But some of these other posters... I feel sorry for them.
Lmao....now the "who? me?" schtick. FOH
Great question. Fuck that guy
damn Chop...I sounded good in that Solder signing thread.
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damn Chop...I sounded good in that Solder signing thread.
:-)
Seeing you have been right on so many things lately makes me sad...
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damn Chop...I sounded good in that Solder signing thread.
:-)
I was just about to remark you were the only one to really call it! Lol, UConn was skeptical but warmed up it seems as the thread continued, but only you hated the deal and numbers from get out. Props indeed.
At some point Mara will read one of my emails and we will get back on top...
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damn Chop...I sounded good in that Solder signing thread.
:-)
I was just about to remark you were the only one to really call it! Lol, UConn was skeptical but warmed up it seems as the thread continued, but only you hated the deal and numbers from get out. Props indeed.
Thanks but of course wish I was wrong on this and Eli...
At least we have the college season to think about our next set of guys...
At some point Mara will read one of my emails and we will get back on top...
See your sending them to Kate and not John.
At some point Mara will read one of my emails and we will get back on top...
Googs.....you have to write hand written LETTERS....and have them sent by messenger pigeon. That's the way Wellington did it and the only way to send correspondence to (pokes bw) Jints Central. LOL
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i tend to feel the same.
At some point Mara will read one of my emails and we will get back on top...
Googs.....you have to write hand written LETTERS....and have them sent by messenger pigeon. That's the way Wellington did it and the only way to send correspondence to (pokes bw) Jints Central. LOL
Damn, i would gladly walk the letter all the way from Atlanta to NYC if Mara would actually take some real 3rd party advice.
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Is Gettleman is running this team like it's a Yahoo fantasy football team.
Maybe we should limit his allowed waiver moves?
Are you suggesting he should have held on to him? Or that he shouldnt be trying to add players at all?
Wtf? Are you Omamehs mother? Its the only explanation...And fwiw, Mrs. Omameh, your son fucking sucks so stop whining about him getting dumped for a waiver wire claim. Instead of asking the league to change the rules to protect your son, how about telling him to play better?
You're a joke.
Gettleman missed on all of his FA signings.
Great he figured it out, awesome.
It was a bad signing, like every other one he made this year.
I only hope Mara cuts bait as quick.
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Chris Mara specializes in NFL free agents. Thats his area of experience. Hes doing a great job.
This might explain why the draft was as good as the FA signings were bad. DG is ultimately responsible for every draft pick and FA signing, but he also has to rely on the opinions of other people. This FA debacle will hopefully convince him that like Ross, Mara should not be one of those people.
He can't fire Mara.
I'm more and more of the opinion that Reese largely, since Mara was "promoted" in 2011, gave wide leeway to his roster ideas.
Also people seem to just overlook the fact that he seemed to have a really good draft as it appears so far. And good drafting is what will make this a good team that stays good, not free agency.
And if we have learned anything, we have learned that no matter how good your skill players are, you cannot and will not win with a horrible line. I truly believe even with an avg line this time would be in playoff contention
Based upon over the cap the Giants may be able to get an additional 5 th round pick
Yes I believe this guarantees the giants an extra comp pick... I had said a couple weeks ago to expect this to get the comp pick.
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Is Gettleman is running this team like it's a Yahoo fantasy football team.
Maybe we should limit his allowed waiver moves?
Are you suggesting he should have held on to him? Or that he shouldnt be trying to add players at all?
Wtf? Are you Omamehs mother? Its the only explanation...And fwiw, Mrs. Omameh, your son fucking sucks so stop whining about him getting dumped for a waiver wire claim. Instead of asking the league to change the rules to protect your son, how about telling him to play better?
You're a joke.
Gettleman missed on all of his FA signings.
Great he figured it out, awesome.
It was a bad signing, like every other one he made this year.
I only hope Mara cuts bait as quick.
BW Webb is looking like a good signing to be fair.
My 2 cents' worth on this: We are seeing much more accountability for the players in this regime. O-line stinks? Flowers, gone. Omameh, gone. At least they are identifying problems and getting rid of them. The last regime seemed to be stuck in "Well, there's nobody better available, so we might as well stick with the guys we have."
The new regime seems to think "This guy's playing like crap. Let's move on and try someone else. What the hell, we can finish last without him."
Much better IMO.
My 2 cents' worth on this: We are seeing much more accountability for the players in this regime. O-line stinks? Flowers, gone. Omameh, gone. At least they are identifying problems and getting rid of them. The last regime seemed to be stuck in "Well, there's nobody better available, so we might as well stick with the guys we have."
The new regime seems to think "This guy's playing like crap. Let's move on and try someone else. What the hell, we can finish last without him."
Much better IMO.
Fans are going to be grouchy when their team continues losing. Gettleman's accountability is very peculiar: he gets rid of the better players and the lower players. Sometimes he replaces a decent player with a lower-talent player. Personally, I don't think DG knows what he's doing.
The article says he will add $3M dead money for 2019.
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I couldn't even get through all the anger in the thread above.
My 2 cents' worth on this: We are seeing much more accountability for the players in this regime. O-line stinks? Flowers, gone. Omameh, gone. At least they are identifying problems and getting rid of them. The last regime seemed to be stuck in "Well, there's nobody better available, so we might as well stick with the guys we have."
The new regime seems to think "This guy's playing like crap. Let's move on and try someone else. What the hell, we can finish last without him."
Much better IMO.
Fans are going to be grouchy when their team continues losing. Gettleman's accountability is very peculiar: he gets rid of the better players and the lower players. Sometimes he replaces a decent player with a lower-talent player. Personally, I don't think DG knows what he's doing.
Besides Fluker for Omameh what better player did he get rid of that he replaced with lesser players? Fluker left via free agency and he wasn't a big loss as some make him out to be. Flowers was a cancer and had to be cut. He was playing very poorly at RT anyway so there was no decline by inserting Wheeler.
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on this cut..Dead money? Anyone know?
The article says he will add $3M dead money for 2019.
That's Raanan so of course that loser left out the cap savings and only mentioned the dead money.
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I couldn't even get through all the anger in the thread above.
My 2 cents' worth on this: We are seeing much more accountability for the players in this regime. O-line stinks? Flowers, gone. Omameh, gone. At least they are identifying problems and getting rid of them. The last regime seemed to be stuck in "Well, there's nobody better available, so we might as well stick with the guys we have."
The new regime seems to think "This guy's playing like crap. Let's move on and try someone else. What the hell, we can finish last without him."
Much better IMO.
Fans are going to be grouchy when their team continues losing. Gettleman's accountability is very peculiar: he gets rid of the better players and the lower players. Sometimes he replaces a decent player with a lower-talent player. Personally, I don't think DG knows what he's doing.
Besides Fluker for Omameh what better player did he get rid of that he replaced with lesser players? Fluker left via free agency and he wasn't a big loss as some make him out to be. Flowers was a cancer and had to be cut. He was playing very poorly at RT anyway so there was no decline by inserting Wheeler.
Funny thing about Fluker is he would have been helpful with Barkley selection. Some extreme arrogance and incompetence assuming the current unit could run block and pass block.
Funny thing about Fluker is he would have been helpful with Barkley selection. Some extreme arrogance and incompetence assuming the current unit could run block and pass block.
Omameh was supposed to be a better version of Fluker but he was just a lesser version.
This right here. Making a mistake and correcting it isn't the worst thing in the world. It seems like it has been an offseason of mistakes, following what have been 5 years of them, with a brief hiatus in between.
It still looks to me like the Giants have a scouting problem, one not limited to college personnel. I'm less taken back by the fact that Omameh was signed and then cut than the possibility that the next moves are just as bad if not worse.
As for Omameh - if he and Solder were plan B, have a look at Norwell. He's been doing poorly in Jax. So that's two we signed, and one we had interest in - and none of them have amounted to crap. And Norwell doesn't have the excuse of playing on the Giants shitty line, where you could at least blame linemates or coaching on underperformance.
It really looks like our plans centered around three players who at the end of the day have proven to be worthless.
Lots of people calling it a great signing it's obvious they'd never heard of the guy.
As ever, the Giants could sign an inanimate carbon rod and there would be posters here saying it was a good signing.
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Will impact the perception of our ol.
Its going to be night and day and with the signings yesterday its looking up for the offense
Turns out the playcalling and roster changes did absolutely squat for the Giants. The playcalling might be a bigger disappointment than some of these busts.
And an OL coach with even a worse resume.
The offense got worse with adding those two
I think it's more important to identify which posters don't know what they're talking about even when they sound like they do.
...shit show.
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what does saying its a bad signing get us? Do you have more BBI clout if you are right on a pick not working out?
I think it's more important to identify which posters don't know what they're talking about even when they sound like they do.
Is this coming from the guy that said that keeping Odell a Giant was a mistake? I heard you also hate irony.
Mmmmmmmm, its not safe at all to say that. Saquon, Carter, Hernandez and Hill all look like players and they all will lilely be here longer than Solder, Stewart or, well, Omameh would.
Most passionately.
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DGs first year is a disaster
Mmmmmmmm, its not safe at all to say that. Saquon, Carter, Hernandez and Hill all look like players and they all will lilely be here longer than Solder, Stewart or, well, Omameh would.
Carter really hasn't done much. Credit for Hill, saquon and Hernandez were easy.
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what does saying its a bad signing get us? Do you have more BBI clout if you are right on a pick not working out?
I think it's more important to identify which posters don't know what they're talking about even when they sound like they do.
Is this coming from the guy that said that keeping Odell a Giant was a mistake? I heard you also hate irony.
You're right it's working out great.
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what does saying its a bad signing get us? Do you have more BBI clout if you are right on a pick not working out?
I think it's more important to identify which posters don't know what they're talking about even when they sound like they do.
Is this coming from the guy that said that keeping Odell a Giant was a mistake? I heard you also hate irony.
You're right it's working out great.
So vague. So repetitive. So little substance. Lol
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DGs first year is a disaster
Mmmmmmmm, its not safe at all to say that. Saquon, Carter, Hernandez and Hill all look like players and they all will lilely be here longer than Solder, Stewart or, well, Omameh would.
Carter really hasn't done much. Credit for Hill, saquon and Hernandez were easy.
Ummmigahd! He is a rookie with 2 sacks in 8 games. But fine. 1 out of his top 4 picks is middling. Jeezus.
I did not contribute in that thread but if I did, I probably would have said that we had no choice but to pay this guy since our prior decisions were so poor.
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I did not contribute in that thread but if I did, I probably would have said that we had no choice but to pay this guy since our prior decisions were so poor.
I totally agree Eric. I think judging this GM based on three apparently forced FA moves (Stewart was a halfassed signing to guard against the oft chance that the Browns took Saquon at one EEARLY on before the eemergence of Mayfield for the BBrowns). Yes, Dave Gettleman threw some money at problems.
The key question I have with those doubting his ability as a GM or talent evaluator or whatever else is that we dont know what THE BOSS wanted. Its the same in politics. Shit rolls downhill.
It makes no sense to me the idea that Omameh and Solder, based also in the way their contracts were structured, were in DG's plans for the team beyond 2 years. John wanted to give it a shot with Eli despite DG's misgivings. DG cited the only game that could be a convincing argument for going at it again with Eli (who by the way, was uncuttable this year with a 20 million hit) and then stuck wine corks (Solder, Omameh) in a failing dike to appease his boss.
It didnt work out. We spent a lot of money on players who performed poorly. But to discern this series of moves as those of a bumbling, old, sick man who is hell bent on his agenda rather than a team's success which dictates his legacy is careless, sloppy, and in my mind, doesnt make sense.
Wow, reading those posts is really really sad.
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DGs first year is a disaster
Mmmmmmmm, its not safe at all to say that. Saquon, Carter, Hernandez and Hill all look like players and they all will lilely be here longer than Solder, Stewart or, well, Omameh would.
Carter really hasn't done much. Credit for Hill, saquon and Hernandez were easy.
Ummmigahd! He is a rookie with 2 sacks in 8 games. But fine. 1 out of his top 4 picks is middling. Jeezus.
What? It's true. On a team with zero pass rush and plenty of opportunity, he's not been able to do much. Maybe he'll be good in a year or two, or maybe he'll play out his rookie deal and move on like the rest of the failed attempts in the past.
But clearly Hill and Hernandez can play. That we've actually seen.
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Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
How is this, or Solder's contract for that matter the worst contract in NFL history? Or worse than any contract Sam Bradford has signed for that matter? Or Joe Flacco's? Or Jerrick McKinnon's?
Ive seen you say this several times presumably because you really believe it and it's just a silly thing to say.
Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf - there are probably at least 100 contracts that are worse than Solder's in the history of the NFL....
Russell's rookie deal was six years $68m, 31 guaranteed. Solder signed for four years $68m, 35 guaranteed.
Yes, Solder's deal is worse. It's more money in a shorter period. What does ryan leaf's contract from 1998 really mean? Did you just google bad nfl contracts in history? 4 years 31m isn't even close to Solder or Russell.
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Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
How is this, or Solder's contract for that matter the worst contract in NFL history? Or worse than any contract Sam Bradford has signed for that matter? Or Joe Flacco's? Or Jerrick McKinnon's?
Ive seen you say this several times presumably because you really believe it and it's just a silly thing to say.
Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf - there are probably at least 100 contracts that are worse than Solder's in the history of the NFL....
Russell's rookie deal was six years $68m, 31 guaranteed. Solder signed for four years $68m, 35 guaranteed.
Yes, Solder's deal is worse. It's more money in a shorter period. What does ryan leaf's contract from 1998 really mean? Did you just google bad nfl contracts in history? 4 years 31m isn't even close to Solder or Russell.
Cool logic. Let's talk about this in ten years when it will have ceased to be a bad contract.
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DGs first year is a disaster
Mmmmmmmm, its not safe at all to say that. Saquon, Carter, Hernandez and Hill all look like players and they all will lilely be here longer than Solder, Stewart or, well, Omameh would.
Carter really hasn't done much. Credit for Hill, saquon and Hernandez were easy.
Ummmigahd! He is a rookie with 2 sacks in 8 games. But fine. 1 out of his top 4 picks is middling. Jeezus.
What? It's true. On a team with zero pass rush and plenty of opportunity, he's not been able to do much. Maybe he'll be good in a year or two, or maybe he'll play out his rookie deal and move on like the rest of the failed attempts in the past.
But clearly Hill and Hernandez can play. That we've actually seen.
Carter can too. Hes just raw. Osi had only one sack and 26 total tackles (18 solo, 8 ast) as a rookie. Carter has 27 total, 18 solo and 2 sacks. Not everybody puts up Von Miller numbers. Hell Leonard Floyd who most compare Carter to had only 7 sacks his rookie year.
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Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
How is this, or Solder's contract for that matter the worst contract in NFL history? Or worse than any contract Sam Bradford has signed for that matter? Or Joe Flacco's? Or Jerrick McKinnon's?
Ive seen you say this several times presumably because you really believe it and it's just a silly thing to say.
Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf - there are probably at least 100 contracts that are worse than Solder's in the history of the NFL....
Russell's rookie deal was six years $68m, 31 guaranteed. Solder signed for four years $68m, 35 guaranteed.
Yes, Solder's deal is worse. It's more money in a shorter period. What does ryan leaf's contract from 1998 really mean? Did you just google bad nfl contracts in history? 4 years 31m isn't even close to Solder or Russell.
You also neglected to point out its really only a two year contract as theres an out in '20 and our dead cap is only 8.
I have no idea why you are defending dep's stupid ass point as it is not an evil contract
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Is Gettleman is running this team like it's a Yahoo fantasy football team.
Maybe we should limit his allowed waiver moves?
Are you suggesting he should have held on to him? Or that he shouldnt be trying to add players at all?
Wtf? Are you Omamehs mother? Its the only explanation...And fwiw, Mrs. Omameh, your son fucking sucks so stop whining about him getting dumped for a waiver wire claim. Instead of asking the league to change the rules to protect your son, how about telling him to play better?
You're a joke.
Gettleman missed on all of his FA signings.
Great he figured it out, awesome.
It was a bad signing, like every other one he made this year.
I only hope Mara cuts bait as quick.
Agree on DG, and lets not forget that great Ogletree trade taking on his contract while he has been invisible on the D. You have to wonder why a team with SB aspirations (Rams) would trade a starting LB for a 3rd rd pick.
I agree, although I read that Solder likes to route speed rushers around behind the QB pocket and that because the center and guards allow pressure up the middle Eli cannot step up to let the pressure run past.
Reese would had kept the guy for the entire contract and blamed coach for not getting the best of him.
I saw him and thought he looked impressive but obviously played like jane.
Next.
Reese took 9 years to fix OL and it never happened.....i suspect DG will figure it out much quicker.
Anybody recall who were DG's other free agent options at Left Tackle if he didn't go Solder? I will look now but maybe somebody recalls...
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I agree, although I read that Solder likes to route speed rushers around behind the QB pocket and that because the center and guards allow pressure up the middle Eli cannot step up to let the pressure run past.
But he really hasnt done that either. He has whiffed a lot this year and been beaten on the inside as well. He has to be more versatile. I have been shocked how easily he gets pushed back for a man of his size.
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To a guy playing worse than Ereck Flowers....
I agree, although I read that Solder likes to route speed rushers around behind the QB pocket and that because the center and guards allow pressure up the middle Eli cannot step up to let the pressure run past.
But he really hasnt done that either. He has whiffed a lot this year and been beaten on the inside as well. He has to be more versatile. I have been shocked how easily he gets pushed back for a man of his size.
I think most of his misses are to the outside. Yes he had a couple inside, true.
While I basically agree with you and have even posted that he is no better than Flowers, so called scouts have been talking about his style of pushing people outside as a reason for his putrid performance. And I also never thought that much of him in NE, either.
However, I am happy that Omameh was let go. Why wait til year end. Yes the signing sucked but at least they did not hold on to him when it was clear he did not improve.
As others have observed, the Giants seems inexcusably weak in the selection and preparation of Offensive linemen. Who is involved, from the ground up? Forget about the top-line overseers, who of course, have to bear ultimate blame for this situation. But who did they in turn rely on when they made their decisions? Do the lower-down, nameless characters in this sorry story, repeated year after year, still have jobs with the Giants? The answer ought to be "No!'. But we don't even know who they are. They may be the real gum in the machine, the spoke in the wheel.
Whereas it has changed, the line scheming seems more or less the same concept as macadoo.
That is, on 'important downs' pass as run leading to vanilla, predictable, passive, anchor pass protect.
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what does saying its a bad signing get us? Do you have more BBI clout if you are right on a pick not working out?
I think it's more important to identify which posters don't know what they're talking about even when they sound like they do.
Agreed. It's too bad you don't have much of a sense for irony.
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what does saying its a bad signing get us? Do you have more BBI clout if you are right on a pick not working out?
I think it's more important to identify which posters don't know what they're talking about even when they sound like they do.
Agreed. It's too bad you don't have much of a sense for irony.
You're the second dipshit to make the same lame joke. Congrats.
We just simply didn't have the money or draft picks to fix this team. He had a successful draft. Now we have to have another next year.
FA is not a way to build. You cap off with Gas like we did in 2004 and 5. The building blocks were in place.
Spotrac has had the updated details from the moment he was waived. BBI was lamenting the "disastrous" deal the Omameh signed, but it wasn't that bad. The deal looked worse because his future year salaries were guaranteed inflating the numbers. But those salaries are only guaranteed if he is on the roster. The only thing that we are responsible for is the signing bonus (Total $4.5M - $1.5M this year and $3M next) and the combined base salary and workout bonus for this year $1M. So we will eat $3M next year, but we save his salary for 2019 ($4.6M).
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I'm not sure if it's accurate but I saw that he would count for 3.1 million in dead money but with 3 million in cap savings.
$3M dead money for 2019. Was due to cost $6.25M against the 2019 cap, so $3.25M in cap savings.
Giants currently have ~$6M in 2018 cap space (carryover) and ~$33M in 2019 space before any carryover. Both numbers are roughly middle of the pack.
If/when Eli retires/is cut they'll gain another $17M in cap space.
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what does saying its a bad signing get us? Do you have more BBI clout if you are right on a pick not working out?
I think it's more important to identify which posters don't know what they're talking about even when they sound like they do.
Agreed. It's too bad you don't have much of a sense for irony.
You're the second dipshit to make the same lame joke. Congrats.
Who said it was a joke?
And you're resorting to name-calling, so it must have struck one of your miserable nerves.