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Anakim : 11/10/2018 11:58 am
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Such an "astute" GM  
giantstock : 11/10/2018 12:57 pm : link
He felt it best to go with Flowers and Omameh and then grossly overpay for an old Left Tackle instead of trying to get two pretty good OLinemen.

I can't believe how bad the owner and past GM's have run this team into the ground. We're the Browns/Raiders of the NFC. At one time that would have been a compliment.

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Danny Kanell : 11/10/2018 12:58 pm : link
Minus 3 draft picks, this may have been the worst offseason Ive ever seen from a Giant GM in all my years as a fan.
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Foobarbaz : 11/10/2018 1:01 pm : link
In comment 14170780 Danny Kanell said:
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Minus 3 draft picks, this may have been the worst offseason Ive ever seen from a Giant GM in all my years as a fan.



For real he should of done the best he could to get Norwell...to expensive though. You gatta remember Gentlemen only inherited like 5mill cap last offseason
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chopperhatch : 11/10/2018 1:01 pm : link
In comment 14170764 dep026 said:
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Youre using guys who got hurt as comparisons, which isnt fair. Sammy Watkins has been very productive this year so I am not sure what that means.

Many people blasted the Solder signing because many felt he was an average tackle being paid premium money. And so far... he hasnt even been close to average.


Im using Chancellor and Reed because they had extensive injury histories PRIOR to signing with those teams.

And, is he? He has 515 yards and 3 TDs thru 9 games, plus he too has an extensive injury history. Is that what you want in a 30 million dollar receiver?

Once again, your assertion that Solder signed "the worst contract in NFL history" is just fucking ludicrous.
Obviously a smart move right now.  
Pete in MD : 11/10/2018 1:02 pm : link
He wasnt good and now they get a comp 4th. You can also obviously say that signing him was a bad move.
RE: Not mad at the signing  
wonderback : 11/10/2018 1:04 pm : link
In comment 14170772 Foobarbaz said:
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He was the best RG that we could afford last offseason and was glad we got him, its sad he didnt turn out to good but I think the real problem is the OL coaching


Wrong!!! They should have kept Fluker.
it's pocket change  
fkap : 11/10/2018 1:05 pm : link
in the grand scheme of things, but I wonder how many thousands it cost to cut Henderson, then put him on PS, then bring put him on active roster, when they could have just cut Omameh in the first place? Of course, they wouldn't have known a waiver pickup was going to be available, if O was indeed cut for putting in a claim on P
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Danny Kanell : 11/10/2018 1:08 pm : link
In comment 14170793 Foobarbaz said:
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In comment 14170780 Danny Kanell said:


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Minus 3 draft picks, this may have been the worst offseason Ive ever seen from a Giant GM in all my years as a fan.




For real he should of done the best he could to get Norwell...to expensive though. You gatta remember Gentlemen only inherited like 5mill cap last offseason


Hows it going, NYK?
It  
AcidTest : 11/10/2018 1:09 pm : link
was a good move, following the bad decision to sign him. The reasons are obvious:

(1) He was awful.
(2) It guarantees we get a 4th round comp pick in 2019, which gives us three in that round.
(3) Henderson is back on the 53.
(4) They already feel confident enough in Brown, despite how little they have seen of him.

Which of DG's FA signings were any good? Solder, Stewart, Omameh, Martin, Mauro, Latimer, Shepard. What a waste.
They should  
Brian in SI : 11/10/2018 1:09 pm : link
Cut Lattimer off the IR. Would guarantee a 5th if Geno doesnt qualify. If he does, you get a 7th on top of the 5th.
RE: RE: Not mad at the signing  
Foobarbaz : 11/10/2018 1:10 pm : link
In comment 14170802 wonderback said:
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In comment 14170772 Foobarbaz said:


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He was the best RG that we could afford last offseason and was glad we got him, its sad he didnt turn out to good but I think the real problem is the OL coaching



Wrong!!! They should have kept Fluker.



According to PFF Omameh was better then Fluker and yes we still should of kept Fluker since he was cheap but I understand why he went with Omameh since he was ranked higher in the top 100 FAs
Per twitter..  
Sean : 11/10/2018 1:14 pm : link
Cutting him before week 10 will net us an extra 4th round pick.
Better to cut your losses  
jeff57 : 11/10/2018 1:17 pm : link
Sinner than later.
RE: Per twitter..  
chopperhatch : 11/10/2018 1:19 pm : link
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Cutting him before week 10 will net us an extra 4th round pick.


Then it was a no brainer.
RE: Per twitter..  
Foobarbaz : 11/10/2018 1:19 pm : link
In comment 14170824 Sean said:
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Cutting him before week 10 will net us an extra 4th round pick.


Hope thats true thats good news. BJ Goodson been playing pretty good and he a 4th rounder.
RE: So 2/5ths of our starting OL have been cut  
UConn4523 : 11/10/2018 1:24 pm : link
In comment 14170697 dep026 said:
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Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.

Good job DG.


Laying it on thiiiicck. No love for JaMarcus Russell?
RE: Gotta wonder if attitude played a part  
Diver_Down : 11/10/2018 1:25 pm : link
In comment 14170716 widmerseyebrow said:
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Even if the guy is terrible, seems like a weird mid season cut. It's not like he was preventing us from signing linemen of the scrap heap, was he?


I wouldn't discount that theory. Very odd move mid-season. Perhaps, he checked out mentally when he developed a "knee" and Greco took over. Then he sees Jamon claimed, and he might have "quit".
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/10/2018 1:29 pm : link

Jordan Raanan
‏Verified account @JordanRaanan
1h1 hour ago

The Giants are releasing guard Patrick Omameh, source confirmed @DDuggan21 report. Omameh was signed to a three-year, $15 million deal this offseason to be the starting right guard. Clearly that did not work out well. Giants will have a $3.5 million dead money cap hit next year.
RE: Gotta wonder if attitude played a part  
Toth029 : 11/10/2018 1:31 pm : link
In comment 14170716 widmerseyebrow said:
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Even if the guy is terrible, seems like a weird mid season cut. It's not like he was preventing us from signing linemen of the scrap heap, was he?

Gains them a 4th comp.
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Toth029 : 11/10/2018 1:32 pm : link
In comment 14170793 Foobarbaz said:
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Minus 3 draft picks, this may have been the worst offseason Ive ever seen from a Giant GM in all my years as a fan.




For real he should of done the best he could to get Norwell...to expensive though. You gatta remember Gentlemen only inherited like 5mill cap last offseason

They offered more than JAX. He just wanted to go there more.
RE: RE: So 2/5ths of our starting OL have been cut  
speedywheels : 11/10/2018 1:33 pm : link
In comment 14170723 chopperhatch said:
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Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.

Good job DG.



How is this, or Solder's contract for that matter the worst contract in NFL history? Or worse than any contract Sam Bradford has signed for that matter? Or Joe Flacco's? Or Jerrick McKinnon's?

Ive seen you say this several times presumably because you really believe it and it's just a silly thing to say.


Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf - there are probably at least 100 contracts that are worse than Solder's in the history of the NFL....
On the Comp picks  
Eli Wilson : 11/10/2018 1:34 pm : link
From Over the Cap
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Let me get this  
XBRONX : 11/10/2018 1:34 pm : link
right. DG and his staff watched Omameh game videos from last year and liked what they watched. There were posters on here after the signing saying that he stunk.
Well, good on DG for  
McNally's_Nuts : 11/10/2018 1:36 pm : link
recognizing a mistake.

I never thought Omameh was a world beater but I figured he had to be better than John Jerry in the run game.

Turns out Jerry was a significantly better player than Omameh
RE: ...What did Gettleman see in this guy  
morrison40 : 11/10/2018 1:37 pm : link
who only earned $1.5M in 2 yrs with JAX, do piss away $4.5 MILLION in signing bonus? Anybody know ?
I think I was optimistic on PO mostly because of how bad  
Jimmy Googs : 11/10/2018 1:39 pm : link
Jerry played. The contract seemed high but I guess that is free agency inflation.

While I like the cut decision if the coaches/FO don't think guys will work out or be developed. But you don't get any kudos for the bad evaluation either.

With wasted cap space on the books, its another mistake for DG to me...
Lets pause to remember our Sr VP of player personnel  
arniefez : 11/10/2018 1:42 pm : link
Chris Mara specializes in NFL free agents. Thats his area of experience. Hes doing a great job.
I still am curious what the plan was.....  
Reb8thVA : 11/10/2018 1:45 pm : link
Had they signed Norwell
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SJGiant : 11/10/2018 1:45 pm : link
In comment 14170844 Eric from BBI said:
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Jordan Raanan
‏Verified account @JordanRaanan
1h1 hour ago

The Giants are releasing guard Patrick Omameh, source confirmed @DDuggan21 report. Omameh was signed to a three-year, $15 million deal this offseason to be the starting right guard. Clearly that did not work out well. Giants will have a $3.5 million dead money cap hit next year.


The way I look at OTC, I believe next year dead cap will be $3.1 million.

Omameh contract -Select Cut post June 1 - ( New Window )
Nothing about the comp pick formula is official...  
Milton : 11/10/2018 1:48 pm : link
And it gets tweaked from year to year, so the past isn't necessarily prologue when it comes to calculations. I think it's entirely possible that Geno Smith's $1M in salary and bonus doesn't qualify him.
p.s.--If it were up to me, I'd cut Kareem Martin just to be safe. Not sure if it's possible to release Cody Latimer with an injury settlement or that would be a no-brainer.
RE: RE: RE: So 2/5ths of our starting OL have been cut  
dep026 : 11/10/2018 1:50 pm : link
In comment 14170850 speedywheels said:
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Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.

Good job DG.



How is this, or Solder's contract for that matter the worst contract in NFL history? Or worse than any contract Sam Bradford has signed for that matter? Or Joe Flacco's? Or Jerrick McKinnon's?

Ive seen you say this several times presumably because you really believe it and it's just a silly thing to say.



Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf - there are probably at least 100 contracts that are worse than Solder's in the history of the NFL....


What players were paid more than anyone at their position while playing one of the worst in the league?
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arcarsenal : 11/10/2018 1:53 pm : link
Talent evaluation continues to be a massive, massive problem.
Who was that pile of shit DT the Redskins signed  
Jimmy Googs : 11/10/2018 1:53 pm : link
Haynesworth?
RE: DG deserves none of this credit...  
Justlurking : 11/10/2018 1:53 pm : link
In comment 14170743 bw in dc said:
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being doled out for cutting PO.

It was a poor signing and it hurt the team. Thats the real issue and problem.

I think evidence is mounting - in the aggregate, DG has made more poor moves than quality moves to help this team. It really would be a sin to keep him on as GM.

But hey - lets keep playing Eli because it gives us the best chance to win. So says that other horrific hire by DG, Pat Shurmur.

The season keeps getting better and better...


This offseason was so bad DG does not deserve to get another chance. He should "retire" and fresh, young people (multiple execs) should be hired to completely revamp player personnel.
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chopperhatch : 11/10/2018 1:54 pm : link
In comment 14170873 dep026 said:
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Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.

Good job DG.



How is this, or Solder's contract for that matter the worst contract in NFL history? Or worse than any contract Sam Bradford has signed for that matter? Or Joe Flacco's? Or Jerrick McKinnon's?

Ive seen you say this several times presumably because you really believe it and it's just a silly thing to say.



Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf - there are probably at least 100 contracts that are worse than Solder's in the history of the NFL....



What players were paid more than anyone at their position while playing one of the worst in the league?



Huh?

Im just not going to argue this any more with you. Thats pointless anyways because you will never admit youre wrong even when you are dead fucking wrong.

Enjoy your day dep
Super bowl baby!!!!!  
longlive#10 : 11/10/2018 1:56 pm : link
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
RE: Lets pause to remember our Sr VP of player personnel  
AcidTest : 11/10/2018 1:57 pm : link
In comment 14170860 arniefez said:
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Chris Mara specializes in NFL free agents. Thats his area of experience. Hes doing a great job.


This might explain why the draft was as good as the FA signings were bad. DG is ultimately responsible for every draft pick and FA signing, but he also has to rely on the opinions of other people. This FA debacle will hopefully convince him that like Ross, Mara should not be one of those people.
RE: Nothing about the comp pick formula is official...  
SJGiant : 11/10/2018 1:58 pm : link
In comment 14170868 Milton said:
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And it gets tweaked from year to year, so the past isn't necessarily prologue when it comes to calculations. I think it's entirely possible that Geno Smith's $1M in salary and bonus doesn't qualify him.
p.s.--If it were up to me, I'd cut Kareem Martin just to be safe. Not sure if it's possible to release Cody Latimer with an injury settlement or that would be a no-brainer.


I agree with you 100%. Geno Smith is on the cusp of qualifying. He salary is ranked 962 by OTC. OTC projects the salary cutoff to qualify is 986 (top of page). I have seen that number change by OTC during the year. So, cutting another player from the list on the right (Martin, Latimer or Thomas) will guarantee the 5th rounder. I believe we have one more week to make a move.

Theres only one reason to call Solders  
UConn4523 : 11/10/2018 1:58 pm : link
contract the worst in NFL history and thats to once again insert Eli into the discussion.
they need to fire Hal Hunter  
BigBlueCane : 11/10/2018 1:59 pm : link
as soon as the season is over.
This makes me wonder about the off-season  
GiantsRage2007 : 11/10/2018 2:00 pm : link
Was the directive from Mara or Gettleman himself that said they could win this year?

The moves in FA (Solder, Omameh, Stewart) are win now moves...

Now the narrative has changed so cut bait on the guys not in plans for 2019?

Apple, Snacks... maybe Jackrabbit, etc...

more to come?
Wasnt Omameh a LG?  
Samiam : 11/10/2018 2:00 pm : link
I thought he was a LG who had a little experience on the right side. Its possible that he was signed to be the LG but once Hernandez was drafted,they decided Hernandez needs to play,at least as a rookie next to an experienced tackle. I wonder if Gettleman never expected Hernandez to be available in the 2nd round. Omameh was moved to the right side where he clearly sucked. It did not help that he was surrounded by real crap. Hopefully Jamon will rise above the center and RT
With Solder  
Samiam : 11/10/2018 2:04 pm : link
I wonder if part of his poor play is that hes used to Brady stepping up into the pocket and getting rid of the ball quickly. Eli cant or wont step up behind a bad interior line and Solder has to adapt to that which he hasnt.
holy Jesus  
Enzo : 11/10/2018 2:12 pm : link
this front office is a clown show.
Front office  
sshin05 : 11/10/2018 2:15 pm : link
learned from their mistakes, i'm fine with that.
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arcarsenal : 11/10/2018 2:19 pm : link
I bet the next part of this hilarity will be Omameh getting picked up by another team and playing relatively well.
Giantsrage  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/10/2018 2:20 pm : link
I think maybe Mara wanted to give Eli another year after the debacle of last year. With all the revolt from last years benching they tried to sign some lineman in support of Eli. No way was Eli going to be cut by Mara after last year. DG signed some linemen in FA but he added nice pieces on D.

I think now we are seeing the full rebuild. It will be confirmed when they part ways with Eli after the season. Let's hope they get the right QB and we can be competitive next year with hopes of challenging in 3.
Gettleman is the joke of the league this year.  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/10/2018 2:20 pm : link
Embarrassing.
Ugh.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/10/2018 2:22 pm : link
Not a good signing at all. And if he turns out to be good somewhere else, then it's coaching.

DG & Shurmur have done nothing to inspire confidence thus far. Nothing.
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chopperhatch : 11/10/2018 2:24 pm : link
In comment 14170917 arcarsenal said:
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I bet the next part of this hilarity will be Omameh getting picked up by another team and playing relatively well.


Hasnt happened with Flowers yet.
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