He felt it best to go with Flowers and Omameh and then grossly overpay for an old Left Tackle instead of trying to get two pretty good OLinemen.
I can't believe how bad the owner and past GM's have run this team into the ground. We're the Browns/Raiders of the NFC. At one time that would have been a compliment.
Minus 3 draft picks, this may have been the worst offseason Ive ever seen from a Giant GM in all my years as a fan.
For real he should of done the best he could to get Norwell...to expensive though. You gatta remember Gentlemen only inherited like 5mill cap last offseason
Youre using guys who got hurt as comparisons, which isnt fair. Sammy Watkins has been very productive this year so I am not sure what that means.
Many people blasted the Solder signing because many felt he was an average tackle being paid premium money. And so far... he hasnt even been close to average.
Im using Chancellor and Reed because they had extensive injury histories PRIOR to signing with those teams.
And, is he? He has 515 yards and 3 TDs thru 9 games, plus he too has an extensive injury history. Is that what you want in a 30 million dollar receiver?
Once again, your assertion that Solder signed "the worst contract in NFL history" is just fucking ludicrous.
He was the best RG that we could afford last offseason and was glad we got him, its sad he didnt turn out to good but I think the real problem is the OL coaching
in the grand scheme of things, but I wonder how many thousands it cost to cut Henderson, then put him on PS, then bring put him on active roster, when they could have just cut Omameh in the first place? Of course, they wouldn't have known a waiver pickup was going to be available, if O was indeed cut for putting in a claim on P
Minus 3 draft picks, this may have been the worst offseason Ive ever seen from a Giant GM in all my years as a fan.
For real he should of done the best he could to get Norwell...to expensive though. You gatta remember Gentlemen only inherited like 5mill cap last offseason
was a good move, following the bad decision to sign him. The reasons are obvious:
(1) He was awful.
(2) It guarantees we get a 4th round comp pick in 2019, which gives us three in that round.
(3) Henderson is back on the 53.
(4) They already feel confident enough in Brown, despite how little they have seen of him.
Which of DG's FA signings were any good? Solder, Stewart, Omameh, Martin, Mauro, Latimer, Shepard. What a waste.
He was the best RG that we could afford last offseason and was glad we got him, its sad he didnt turn out to good but I think the real problem is the OL coaching
Wrong!!! They should have kept Fluker.
According to PFF Omameh was better then Fluker and yes we still should of kept Fluker since he was cheap but I understand why he went with Omameh since he was ranked higher in the top 100 FAs
Even if the guy is terrible, seems like a weird mid season cut. It's not like he was preventing us from signing linemen of the scrap heap, was he?
I wouldn't discount that theory. Very odd move mid-season. Perhaps, he checked out mentally when he developed a "knee" and Greco took over. Then he sees Jamon claimed, and he might have "quit".
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The Giants are releasing guard Patrick Omameh, source confirmed @DDuggan21 report. Omameh was signed to a three-year, $15 million deal this offseason to be the starting right guard. Clearly that did not work out well. Giants will have a $3.5 million dead money cap hit next year.
Minus 3 draft picks, this may have been the worst offseason Ive ever seen from a Giant GM in all my years as a fan.
For real he should of done the best he could to get Norwell...to expensive though. You gatta remember Gentlemen only inherited like 5mill cap last offseason
They offered more than JAX. He just wanted to go there more.
RE: RE: So 2/5ths of our starting OL have been cut
Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
How is this, or Solder's contract for that matter the worst contract in NFL history? Or worse than any contract Sam Bradford has signed for that matter? Or Joe Flacco's? Or Jerrick McKinnon's?
Ive seen you say this several times presumably because you really believe it and it's just a silly thing to say.
Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf - there are probably at least 100 contracts that are worse than Solder's in the history of the NFL....
right. DG and his staff watched Omameh game videos from last year and liked what they watched. There were posters on here after the signing saying that he stunk.
Jerry played. The contract seemed high but I guess that is free agency inflation.
While I like the cut decision if the coaches/FO don't think guys will work out or be developed. But you don't get any kudos for the bad evaluation either.
With wasted cap space on the books, its another mistake for DG to me...
Lets pause to remember our Sr VP of player personnel
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The Giants are releasing guard Patrick Omameh, source confirmed @DDuggan21 report. Omameh was signed to a three-year, $15 million deal this offseason to be the starting right guard. Clearly that did not work out well. Giants will have a $3.5 million dead money cap hit next year.
The way I look at OTC, I believe next year dead cap will be $3.1 million.
And it gets tweaked from year to year, so the past isn't necessarily prologue when it comes to calculations. I think it's entirely possible that Geno Smith's $1M in salary and bonus doesn't qualify him.
p.s.--If it were up to me, I'd cut Kareem Martin just to be safe. Not sure if it's possible to release Cody Latimer with an injury settlement or that would be a no-brainer.
RE: RE: RE: So 2/5ths of our starting OL have been cut
Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
How is this, or Solder's contract for that matter the worst contract in NFL history? Or worse than any contract Sam Bradford has signed for that matter? Or Joe Flacco's? Or Jerrick McKinnon's?
Ive seen you say this several times presumably because you really believe it and it's just a silly thing to say.
Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf - there are probably at least 100 contracts that are worse than Solder's in the history of the NFL....
What players were paid more than anyone at their position while playing one of the worst in the league?
It was a poor signing and it hurt the team. Thats the real issue and problem.
I think evidence is mounting - in the aggregate, DG has made more poor moves than quality moves to help this team. It really would be a sin to keep him on as GM.
But hey - lets keep playing Eli because it gives us the best chance to win. So says that other horrific hire by DG, Pat Shurmur.
The season keeps getting better and better...
This offseason was so bad DG does not deserve to get another chance. He should "retire" and fresh, young people (multiple execs) should be hired to completely revamp player personnel.
RE: RE: RE: RE: So 2/5ths of our starting OL have been cut
Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
How is this, or Solder's contract for that matter the worst contract in NFL history? Or worse than any contract Sam Bradford has signed for that matter? Or Joe Flacco's? Or Jerrick McKinnon's?
Ive seen you say this several times presumably because you really believe it and it's just a silly thing to say.
Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf - there are probably at least 100 contracts that are worse than Solder's in the history of the NFL....
What players were paid more than anyone at their position while playing one of the worst in the league?
Huh?
Im just not going to argue this any more with you. Thats pointless anyways because you will never admit youre wrong even when you are dead fucking wrong.
Chris Mara specializes in NFL free agents. Thats his area of experience. Hes doing a great job.
This might explain why the draft was as good as the FA signings were bad. DG is ultimately responsible for every draft pick and FA signing, but he also has to rely on the opinions of other people. This FA debacle will hopefully convince him that like Ross, Mara should not be one of those people.
RE: Nothing about the comp pick formula is official...
And it gets tweaked from year to year, so the past isn't necessarily prologue when it comes to calculations. I think it's entirely possible that Geno Smith's $1M in salary and bonus doesn't qualify him.
p.s.--If it were up to me, I'd cut Kareem Martin just to be safe. Not sure if it's possible to release Cody Latimer with an injury settlement or that would be a no-brainer.
I agree with you 100%. Geno Smith is on the cusp of qualifying. He salary is ranked 962 by OTC. OTC projects the salary cutoff to qualify is 986 (top of page). I have seen that number change by OTC during the year. So, cutting another player from the list on the right (Martin, Latimer or Thomas) will guarantee the 5th rounder. I believe we have one more week to make a move.
I thought he was a LG who had a little experience on the right side. Its possible that he was signed to be the LG but once Hernandez was drafted,they decided Hernandez needs to play,at least as a rookie next to an experienced tackle. I wonder if Gettleman never expected Hernandez to be available in the 2nd round. Omameh was moved to the right side where he clearly sucked. It did not help that he was surrounded by real crap. Hopefully Jamon will rise above the center and RT
I wonder if part of his poor play is that hes used to Brady stepping up into the pocket and getting rid of the ball quickly. Eli cant or wont step up behind a bad interior line and Solder has to adapt to that which he hasnt.
I think maybe Mara wanted to give Eli another year after the debacle of last year. With all the revolt from last years benching they tried to sign some lineman in support of Eli. No way was Eli going to be cut by Mara after last year. DG signed some linemen in FA but he added nice pieces on D.
I think now we are seeing the full rebuild. It will be confirmed when they part ways with Eli after the season. Let's hope they get the right QB and we can be competitive next year with hopes of challenging in 3.
I can't believe how bad the owner and past GM's have run this team into the ground. We're the Browns/Raiders of the NFC. At one time that would have been a compliment.
For real he should of done the best he could to get Norwell...to expensive though. You gatta remember Gentlemen only inherited like 5mill cap last offseason
Many people blasted the Solder signing because many felt he was an average tackle being paid premium money. And so far... he hasnt even been close to average.
Im using Chancellor and Reed because they had extensive injury histories PRIOR to signing with those teams.
And, is he? He has 515 yards and 3 TDs thru 9 games, plus he too has an extensive injury history. Is that what you want in a 30 million dollar receiver?
Once again, your assertion that Solder signed "the worst contract in NFL history" is just fucking ludicrous.
Wrong!!! They should have kept Fluker.
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Minus 3 draft picks, this may have been the worst offseason Ive ever seen from a Giant GM in all my years as a fan.
For real he should of done the best he could to get Norwell...to expensive though. You gatta remember Gentlemen only inherited like 5mill cap last offseason
Hows it going, NYK?
(1) He was awful.
(2) It guarantees we get a 4th round comp pick in 2019, which gives us three in that round.
(3) Henderson is back on the 53.
(4) They already feel confident enough in Brown, despite how little they have seen of him.
Which of DG's FA signings were any good? Solder, Stewart, Omameh, Martin, Mauro, Latimer, Shepard. What a waste.
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He was the best RG that we could afford last offseason and was glad we got him, its sad he didnt turn out to good but I think the real problem is the OL coaching
Wrong!!! They should have kept Fluker.
According to PFF Omameh was better then Fluker and yes we still should of kept Fluker since he was cheap but I understand why he went with Omameh since he was ranked higher in the top 100 FAs
Then it was a no brainer.
Hope thats true thats good news. BJ Goodson been playing pretty good and he a 4th rounder.
Good job DG.
Laying it on thiiiicck. No love for JaMarcus Russell?
I wouldn't discount that theory. Very odd move mid-season. Perhaps, he checked out mentally when he developed a "knee" and Greco took over. Then he sees Jamon claimed, and he might have "quit".
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1h1 hour ago
The Giants are releasing guard Patrick Omameh, source confirmed @DDuggan21 report. Omameh was signed to a three-year, $15 million deal this offseason to be the starting right guard. Clearly that did not work out well. Giants will have a $3.5 million dead money cap hit next year.
Gains them a 4th comp.
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Minus 3 draft picks, this may have been the worst offseason Ive ever seen from a Giant GM in all my years as a fan.
For real he should of done the best he could to get Norwell...to expensive though. You gatta remember Gentlemen only inherited like 5mill cap last offseason
They offered more than JAX. He just wanted to go there more.
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Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
How is this, or Solder's contract for that matter the worst contract in NFL history? Or worse than any contract Sam Bradford has signed for that matter? Or Joe Flacco's? Or Jerrick McKinnon's?
Ive seen you say this several times presumably because you really believe it and it's just a silly thing to say.
Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf - there are probably at least 100 contracts that are worse than Solder's in the history of the NFL....
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I never thought Omameh was a world beater but I figured he had to be better than John Jerry in the run game.
Turns out Jerry was a significantly better player than Omameh
While I like the cut decision if the coaches/FO don't think guys will work out or be developed. But you don't get any kudos for the bad evaluation either.
With wasted cap space on the books, its another mistake for DG to me...
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1h1 hour ago
The Giants are releasing guard Patrick Omameh, source confirmed @DDuggan21 report. Omameh was signed to a three-year, $15 million deal this offseason to be the starting right guard. Clearly that did not work out well. Giants will have a $3.5 million dead money cap hit next year.
The way I look at OTC, I believe next year dead cap will be $3.1 million.
Omameh contract -Select Cut post June 1 - ( New Window )
p.s.--If it were up to me, I'd cut Kareem Martin just to be safe. Not sure if it's possible to release Cody Latimer with an injury settlement or that would be a no-brainer.
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Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
How is this, or Solder's contract for that matter the worst contract in NFL history? Or worse than any contract Sam Bradford has signed for that matter? Or Joe Flacco's? Or Jerrick McKinnon's?
Ive seen you say this several times presumably because you really believe it and it's just a silly thing to say.
Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf - there are probably at least 100 contracts that are worse than Solder's in the history of the NFL....
What players were paid more than anyone at their position while playing one of the worst in the league?
It was a poor signing and it hurt the team. Thats the real issue and problem.
I think evidence is mounting - in the aggregate, DG has made more poor moves than quality moves to help this team. It really would be a sin to keep him on as GM.
But hey - lets keep playing Eli because it gives us the best chance to win. So says that other horrific hire by DG, Pat Shurmur.
The season keeps getting better and better...
This offseason was so bad DG does not deserve to get another chance. He should "retire" and fresh, young people (multiple execs) should be hired to completely revamp player personnel.
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Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
How is this, or Solder's contract for that matter the worst contract in NFL history? Or worse than any contract Sam Bradford has signed for that matter? Or Joe Flacco's? Or Jerrick McKinnon's?
Ive seen you say this several times presumably because you really believe it and it's just a silly thing to say.
Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf - there are probably at least 100 contracts that are worse than Solder's in the history of the NFL....
What players were paid more than anyone at their position while playing one of the worst in the league?
Huh?
Im just not going to argue this any more with you. Thats pointless anyways because you will never admit youre wrong even when you are dead fucking wrong.
Enjoy your day dep
This might explain why the draft was as good as the FA signings were bad. DG is ultimately responsible for every draft pick and FA signing, but he also has to rely on the opinions of other people. This FA debacle will hopefully convince him that like Ross, Mara should not be one of those people.
p.s.--If it were up to me, I'd cut Kareem Martin just to be safe. Not sure if it's possible to release Cody Latimer with an injury settlement or that would be a no-brainer.
I agree with you 100%. Geno Smith is on the cusp of qualifying. He salary is ranked 962 by OTC. OTC projects the salary cutoff to qualify is 986 (top of page). I have seen that number change by OTC during the year. So, cutting another player from the list on the right (Martin, Latimer or Thomas) will guarantee the 5th rounder. I believe we have one more week to make a move.
The moves in FA (Solder, Omameh, Stewart) are win now moves...
Now the narrative has changed so cut bait on the guys not in plans for 2019?
Apple, Snacks... maybe Jackrabbit, etc...
more to come?
I think now we are seeing the full rebuild. It will be confirmed when they part ways with Eli after the season. Let's hope they get the right QB and we can be competitive next year with hopes of challenging in 3.
DG & Shurmur have done nothing to inspire confidence thus far. Nothing.
Hasnt happened with Flowers yet.