always know more than the GM, offers his opinion up like the gospel. Here’s a couple of questions to answer: if not Solder than who? Flowers? The guy behind door # 3?. The reason Solder got his contract was because of Supply and Demand. After Norwell signed with Jack. DG had no choice. Kill him for the Omameh signing but the contract was pretty small for a starter. I think he knows the only way out of this is good drafting. I’m willing to give him more than one off season to fix this (since Reese got like what 7?). What do you think?
always know more than the GM, offers his opinion up like the gospel. Here’s a couple of questions to answer: if not Solder than who? Flowers? The guy behind door # 3?. The reason Solder got his contract was because of Supply and Demand. After Norwell signed with Jack. DG had no choice. Kill him for the Omameh signing but the contract was pretty small for a starter. I think he knows the only way out of this is good drafting. I’m willing to give him more than one off season to fix this (since Reese got like what 7?). What do you think?
It’s seems clear that DG tried hard to sign Norwell and then went to Solder when Norwell signed elsewhere. What was DGs plan for both tackle positions if he had signed Norwell?
always know more than the GM, offers his opinion up like the gospel. Here’s a couple of questions to answer: if not Solder than who? Flowers? The guy behind door # 3?. The reason Solder got his contract was because of Supply and Demand. After Norwell signed with Jack. DG had no choice. Kill him for the Omameh signing but the contract was pretty small for a starter. I think he knows the only way out of this is good drafting. I’m willing to give him more than one off season to fix this (since Reese got like what 7?). What do you think?
LOL, so supply and demand are reasons why a GM should hand out cap dollars like candy to shitty players?
What a ridiculous rationalization.
Gettleman seems to be struggling with player evaluation. The mere attempt to even sign Jonathan Stewart at all was a joke. Both linemen have been busts so far. He was wrong about the QB having "years left". This has been a complete failure on nearly every level.
I can't believe some of you guys are still trying to defend this. Gettleman has done a terrible job so far. It's inarguable.
I get the argument about limited options but there were other options. The Patriots traded a 3 for Brown and that was their contingency when their first rounder, that everybody had projected at G, went down with an injury. The Browns had Joe Thomas retire mid-offseason, they tried out an incumbent at LT before settling on a midround rookie at the position. Those are just examples of what other teams did without going in with Solder. I'm sure there are other creative means of filling or plugging that position as well, impossible to speculate since we don't have access to a pro personnel department and other NFL teams on speed dial to look into their roster.
Basically, they HAD to sign Solder if they were deadset on trying to compete in 2019. That was DGs fatal error. It was philosophical. This season should have been a punt from the start. Instead we're doing it midseason after compounding our debt. Having said all that, I am encouraged that they are making moves now instead of waiting until the offseason.
LOL, so supply and demand are reasons why a GM should hand out cap dollars like candy to shitty players?
What a ridiculous rationalization.
Gettleman seems to be struggling with player evaluation. The mere attempt to even sign Jonathan Stewart at all was a joke. Both linemen have been busts so far. He was wrong about the QB having "years left". This has been a complete failure on nearly every level.
I can't believe some of you guys are still trying to defend this. Gettleman has done a terrible job so far. It's inarguable.
Hard agree on this. Also want to add all this, people talking about his balls to cut bait. Barf. I’m sorry but having to cut someone not even a full year into a 3 year contract and eating 10.5M I’m dead money over 2 years doesn’t deserve a commendation of any kind. People are now getting pats on the back for not being cowardly enough to keep someone that had to be benched and has been objectively a horrific signing?
What is it with some of you people and Gettleman. Is it just more comforting to admit we might be in good hands?
The one thing people lean on that he did right was draft Saquon Barkley and he mocked analytics while doing so. I love Saquon Barkley as much as anyone but scoffing at proper team construction and resource allocation analysis shouldn’t be something fans are comfortable with so here, even if you agree with the result, the approach has to be questioned. Barkley was clearly the safest pick in terms of pure talent in maybe the last 10 years. How much credit should you really get for taking that guy anyway?
What I keep coming back to is process. Please convince me why anyone should be confident about the Giants ownership process to hire Gettleman. Or Gettlemans process this offseason. Or Shurmers process as a coach. There is ample evidence that our processes are shitty too to bottom and have been and people need to stop defending this. Ownership shouldn’t think there is a side to this where fans believe they are doing a good job. Only then are we going to see the change we need.
I am looking where the deadline for releasing players Â
and count for and against the compensation formula. I thought the deadline was the 10th game played by the team. It looks more like its the 10 week of the season. So, additional guys may have to be cut this week to count
Also take note that only certain players qualify for the compensatory formula. From OTC:
Adam explains this further:
In order to qualify for the comp equation, a player must have been a true Unrestricted Free Agent whose contract had expired or was voided after the previous season (i.e., he cannot have been released by his old team); he must sign during the UFA signing period (which ended July 27 last year); if he signs after June 1, he must have been tendered a June 1 qualifying offer by his old team; his compensatory value or contract value must be above a specific minimum amount; and he cannot have been permanently released by his new team before a certain point in the season (which seems to be after Week 10) or, possibly, before getting a certain amount of playing time, unless he was claimed off waivers by another team.
Paying a guy the most money ever at a position and he is performing at or near the bottom of the league doesn’t put him in the category of worst contract ever?
A GM always has a choice. The notion that he was forced into signing this player is just complete nonsense.
Nobody said he was FORCED to sign Solder. But in a way there is a possibility DG was forced. If your boss tells you he wants you to do something a certain way, you do it. Period. That's it. It's been more than just slightly apparent that Mara clearly wanted to take a stab at making a final run this year with Eli's contract in its final two years. Solder was absolutely the very best option to solidify that position. There wasn't very many here who thought he would play this poorly when we signed him.
Its also very obvious that something has happened where the FO is selling off anything it can, for whatever it can. Something tells me that Mara is sold on a tear down hence giving Snacks, Flowers and Omameh away.
Maybe its not the ideal way of doing a rebuild, but if the boss wants you to do something, no matter how dumb you think it is, you dont resist. Especially in your first year. Its not like the Giants can vote Mara out as owner if the board doesnt like what his vision for the team is.
Paying a guy the most money ever at a position and he is performing at or near the bottom of the league doesn’t put him in the category of worst contract ever?
Lol, dead fucking wrong?? Lol, sure.
No dep, it doesnt. Keep laughing to yourself, the rest of us will just keep laughing at your shitty posts.
I wonder if part of his poor play is that he’s used to Brady stepping up into the pocket and getting rid of the ball quickly. Eli can’t or won’t step up behind a bad interior line and Solder has to adapt to that which he hasnt.
I agree with you assessment wholeheartedly. DG did the best he could and why he went the free agent route. He focused on the D in the draft to start on the rebuild on that side.
I think Mara definitely wanted Eli this year and wanted to see spend what money was available on the OL. It did not work and now the full rebuild is on.
I would not be surprised if he went back to Jax but it would be Â
I am looking forward to 4 more years of Solders shitty play and people telling me it wasn’t an all time bad contract.
Considering only 3 or 4 of the 11 players on offense are earning their contracts, I’m going to hold off on calling any of them busts or horrible contracts until our QB is gone and the franchise can move forward. You may not want to admit that Eli’s inability to throw even with a clean pocket is dragging this offense down, but I’m won’t.
No doubt in my mind Solder plays just fine staying in NE. If you want to believe otherwise, go for it.
I am looking forward to 4 more years of Solders shitty play and people telling me it wasn’t an all time bad contract.
Sounds like you want him to fail.
And also backpedaling already. Notice how he went from "the worst contract in NFL history" to "an all time bad contract."
Diff btwn worst all time and bad is that Solder has played every game so far no? Plus I guess it is completely out of the vast realm that is dep's football acumen that he might have an injury that is exacerbated his bad play? Or that the rest of the line is so bad he never gets TE help?
Yup....dep, youre right on the money and everybody else is wrong, as per usual.
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Just like other players, but I guess only some get excuses made for them.
Only Eli.
And it's not even that he gets excuses, it's that a move that addresses the position group dep bitches the most about causes him to throw a fit. There's literally nothing Gettleman can do right.
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Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
You're fucking ridiculous.
So you’re saying DG did a good job with the OL this offseason. I mean cutting two starters mid year is not the norm, ya know?
He's not doubling down on his moves like Reese did. If Reese cut Jerry the season he signed him, would you be bitching about that too? You're fucking impossible.
Just like other players, but I guess only some get excuses made for them.
Only Eli.
And it's not even that he gets excuses, it's that a move that addresses the position group dep bitches the most about causes him to throw a fit. There's literally nothing Gettleman can do right.
Yes... he can put a competent OL in place and not sign scrubs who get cut mid year for being awful.
Dep is being a bit dramatic but point remains Giants have gotten killed thus far with that deal...
Hindsight is 20/20. It's nonsense to pretend that Gettleman should have known Solder would be as bad as he's been. And it's a dick move to be outraged that he's cutting Omameh. Are you with dep that we should be jumping on DG for this move?
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Dep is being a bit dramatic but point remains Giants have gotten killed thus far with that deal...
For sure. But it’s thus far. Let’s see it play out. But being billed the worst contact in history is completely agenda based and honestly not worth responding too.
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Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
You're fucking ridiculous.
Like a kid throwing a temper tantrum on a kickball field.
I don't mind criticizing DG for his FA moves. They were mostly duds. But to get on him for them after this move makes no damn sense. He cut one of his mistakes. That should be a good thing in a fan's mind.
Solder is having a bad year. But I guess calling him the worst contract of all time is incredibly logical after half a season.
Whether it’s about Eli, a fantasy player, the Bulls, etc you really dig on on what you like and don’t like and don’t budge. You double and triple down and then get mad when people don’t agree with you.
In the league needs TE help.... it kind of proves my point. Doesn’t it? Lol.
You guys are all right. Solder has been solid this year and his contract isn’t bad. It’s Eli’s fault and he isn’t getting help. That’s all... lol.
No....it really doesnt...you thick, loudmouthed simpleton. You are suggesting that the contract of a guy who plays every game is worse than contracts that were signed by teams on players with a noted injury history that miss significant time as the worst in history.
Dont you tire of people pointing out to you that you're brain-dead?
This is like when Go Terps rants about OBJ or Vernon Â
on BBI about this guy. A supposed starting G getting only $5 million a year in the open market is a red flag of sorts. Pugh got $9 million per and most folks around here were glad to see him go.
Fluker only signed a one year deal for like 1.5M
Fluker sucks. Period. Get over it. He had an effective range of two yards.
Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
You're fucking ridiculous.
Like a kid throwing a temper tantrum on a kickball field.
Lol you guys are the ones flying the curses and insults. Time to look in the mirror bud.
Im not your bud...I didnt think you were COMPLETELY out to lunch until fairly recently, but you are easily top 3 most irritating and irrational posters on this fucking thing.
In the league needs TE help.... it kind of proves my point. Doesn’t it? Lol.
You guys are all right. Solder has been solid this year and his contract isn’t bad. It’s Eli’s fault and he isn’t getting help. That’s all... lol.
No....it really doesnt...you thick, loudmouthed simpleton. You are suggesting that the contract of a guy who plays every game is worse than contracts that were signed by teams on players with a noted injury history that miss significant time as the worst in history.
Dont you tire of people pointing out to you that you're brain-dead?
Solder is having a bad year. But I guess calling him the worst contract of all time is incredibly logical after half a season.
Whether it’s about Eli, a fantasy player, the Bulls, etc you really dig on on what you like and don’t like and don’t budge. You double and triple down and then get mad when people don’t agree with you.
Here comes the triple down with an arrogant "lol" at the end.....
Excellent post Dave.
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always know more than the GM, offers his opinion up like the gospel. Here’s a couple of questions to answer: if not Solder than who? Flowers? The guy behind door # 3?. The reason Solder got his contract was because of Supply and Demand. After Norwell signed with Jack. DG had no choice. Kill him for the Omameh signing but the contract was pretty small for a starter. I think he knows the only way out of this is good drafting. I’m willing to give him more than one off season to fix this (since Reese got like what 7?). What do you think?
Excellent post Dave.
Ditto.
What a ridiculous rationalization.
Gettleman seems to be struggling with player evaluation. The mere attempt to even sign Jonathan Stewart at all was a joke. Both linemen have been busts so far. He was wrong about the QB having "years left". This has been a complete failure on nearly every level.
I can't believe some of you guys are still trying to defend this. Gettleman has done a terrible job so far. It's inarguable.
Basically, they HAD to sign Solder if they were deadset on trying to compete in 2019. That was DGs fatal error. It was philosophical. This season should have been a punt from the start. Instead we're doing it midseason after compounding our debt. Having said all that, I am encouraged that they are making moves now instead of waiting until the offseason.
What a ridiculous rationalization.
Gettleman seems to be struggling with player evaluation. The mere attempt to even sign Jonathan Stewart at all was a joke. Both linemen have been busts so far. He was wrong about the QB having "years left". This has been a complete failure on nearly every level.
I can't believe some of you guys are still trying to defend this. Gettleman has done a terrible job so far. It's inarguable.
Hard agree on this. Also want to add all this, people talking about his balls to cut bait. Barf. I’m sorry but having to cut someone not even a full year into a 3 year contract and eating 10.5M I’m dead money over 2 years doesn’t deserve a commendation of any kind. People are now getting pats on the back for not being cowardly enough to keep someone that had to be benched and has been objectively a horrific signing?
What is it with some of you people and Gettleman. Is it just more comforting to admit we might be in good hands?
The one thing people lean on that he did right was draft Saquon Barkley and he mocked analytics while doing so. I love Saquon Barkley as much as anyone but scoffing at proper team construction and resource allocation analysis shouldn’t be something fans are comfortable with so here, even if you agree with the result, the approach has to be questioned. Barkley was clearly the safest pick in terms of pure talent in maybe the last 10 years. How much credit should you really get for taking that guy anyway?
What I keep coming back to is process. Please convince me why anyone should be confident about the Giants ownership process to hire Gettleman. Or Gettlemans process this offseason. Or Shurmers process as a coach. There is ample evidence that our processes are shitty too to bottom and have been and people need to stop defending this. Ownership shouldn’t think there is a side to this where fans believe they are doing a good job. Only then are we going to see the change we need.
Also take note that only certain players qualify for the compensatory formula. From OTC:
Adam explains this further:
In order to qualify for the comp equation, a player must have been a true Unrestricted Free Agent whose contract had expired or was voided after the previous season (i.e., he cannot have been released by his old team); he must sign during the UFA signing period (which ended July 27 last year); if he signs after June 1, he must have been tendered a June 1 qualifying offer by his old team; his compensatory value or contract value must be above a specific minimum amount; and he cannot have been permanently released by his new team before a certain point in the season (which seems to be after Week 10) or, possibly, before getting a certain amount of playing time, unless he was claimed off waivers by another team.
OTC explaining compensation methodolgy - ( New Window )
Lol, dead fucking wrong?? Lol, sure.
Bingo. The Solder and Omameh deals were panic moves. Panic moves that essentially are prolonging the process of getting back to good.
Why? His work ethic/attitude is terrible. He’s not a NFL lineman.
Maybe DG will draft 2/5th or 3/5th of the Wisconsin O line.
Nobody said he was FORCED to sign Solder. But in a way there is a possibility DG was forced. If your boss tells you he wants you to do something a certain way, you do it. Period. That's it. It's been more than just slightly apparent that Mara clearly wanted to take a stab at making a final run this year with Eli's contract in its final two years. Solder was absolutely the very best option to solidify that position. There wasn't very many here who thought he would play this poorly when we signed him.
Its also very obvious that something has happened where the FO is selling off anything it can, for whatever it can. Something tells me that Mara is sold on a tear down hence giving Snacks, Flowers and Omameh away.
Maybe its not the ideal way of doing a rebuild, but if the boss wants you to do something, no matter how dumb you think it is, you dont resist. Especially in your first year. Its not like the Giants can vote Mara out as owner if the board doesnt like what his vision for the team is.
Lol, dead fucking wrong?? Lol, sure.
No dep, it doesnt. Keep laughing to yourself, the rest of us will just keep laughing at your shitty posts.
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I think Mara definitely wanted Eli this year and wanted to see spend what money was available on the OL. It did not work and now the full rebuild is on.
I look forward to the next grossly exaggerated post to somehow prolong Eli’s legacy around here.
Sounds like you want him to fail.
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I am looking forward to 4 more years of Solders shitty play and people telling me it wasn’t an all time bad contract.
Sounds like you want him to fail.
I don’t want him too. He is failing.
Considering only 3 or 4 of the 11 players on offense are earning their contracts, I’m going to hold off on calling any of them busts or horrible contracts until our QB is gone and the franchise can move forward. You may not want to admit that Eli’s inability to throw even with a clean pocket is dragging this offense down, but I’m won’t.
No doubt in my mind Solder plays just fine staying in NE. If you want to believe otherwise, go for it.
Good job DG.
You're fucking ridiculous.
That’s a new one. It’s gonna be a sad time for posters when Eli is gone after this year. They’ll need new scapegoats on why the team will suck.
Eli’s poor play has nothing to do with Solders ability to block. But I will say solders inability to block has affected...
Nah never mind. Don’t think you would understand...
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I am looking forward to 4 more years of Solders shitty play and people telling me it wasn’t an all time bad contract.
Sounds like you want him to fail.
And also backpedaling already. Notice how he went from "the worst contract in NFL history" to "an all time bad contract."
Diff btwn worst all time and bad is that Solder has played every game so far no? Plus I guess it is completely out of the vast realm that is dep's football acumen that he might have an injury that is exacerbated his bad play? Or that the rest of the line is so bad he never gets TE help?
Yup....dep, youre right on the money and everybody else is wrong, as per usual.
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Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
You're fucking ridiculous.
So you’re saying DG did a good job with the OL this offseason. I mean cutting two starters mid year is not the norm, ya know?
And it's not even that he gets excuses, it's that a move that addresses the position group dep bitches the most about causes him to throw a fit. There's literally nothing Gettleman can do right.
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Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
You're fucking ridiculous.
So you’re saying DG did a good job with the OL this offseason. I mean cutting two starters mid year is not the norm, ya know?
He's not doubling down on his moves like Reese did. If Reese cut Jerry the season he signed him, would you be bitching about that too? You're fucking impossible.
You guys are all right. Solder has been solid this year and his contract isn’t bad. It’s Eli’s fault and he isn’t getting help. That’s all... lol.
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Just like other players, but I guess only some get excuses made for them.
Only Eli.
And it's not even that he gets excuses, it's that a move that addresses the position group dep bitches the most about causes him to throw a fit. There's literally nothing Gettleman can do right.
Yes... he can put a competent OL in place and not sign scrubs who get cut mid year for being awful.
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Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
You're fucking ridiculous.
Like a kid throwing a temper tantrum on a kickball field.
Just because it may sound dramatic doesn’t make it less true. Solder hasn’t even been average. But that’s because he doesn’t get TE help.
Hindsight is 20/20. It's nonsense to pretend that Gettleman should have known Solder would be as bad as he's been. And it's a dick move to be outraged that he's cutting Omameh. Are you with dep that we should be jumping on DG for this move?
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Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
You're fucking ridiculous.
Like a kid throwing a temper tantrum on a kickball field.
Lol you guys are the ones flying the curses and insults. Time to look in the mirror bud.
For sure. But it’s thus far. Let’s see it play out. But being billed the worst contact in history is completely agenda based and honestly not worth responding too.
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Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
You're fucking ridiculous.
Like a kid throwing a temper tantrum on a kickball field.
I don't mind criticizing DG for his FA moves. They were mostly duds. But to get on him for them after this move makes no damn sense. He cut one of his mistakes. That should be a good thing in a fan's mind.
Whether it’s about Eli, a fantasy player, the Bulls, etc you really dig on on what you like and don’t like and don’t budge. You double and triple down and then get mad when people don’t agree with you.
You guys are all right. Solder has been solid this year and his contract isn’t bad. It’s Eli’s fault and he isn’t getting help. That’s all... lol.
No....it really doesnt...you thick, loudmouthed simpleton. You are suggesting that the contract of a guy who plays every game is worse than contracts that were signed by teams on players with a noted injury history that miss significant time as the worst in history.
Dont you tire of people pointing out to you that you're brain-dead?
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on BBI about this guy. A supposed starting G getting only $5 million a year in the open market is a red flag of sorts. Pugh got $9 million per and most folks around here were glad to see him go.
Fluker only signed a one year deal for like 1.5M
Fluker sucks. Period. Get over it. He had an effective range of two yards.
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Another on IR. And the worst contract in nfl history.
Good job DG.
You're fucking ridiculous.
Like a kid throwing a temper tantrum on a kickball field.
Lol you guys are the ones flying the curses and insults. Time to look in the mirror bud.
Im not your bud...I didnt think you were COMPLETELY out to lunch until fairly recently, but you are easily top 3 most irritating and irrational posters on this fucking thing.
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In the league needs TE help.... it kind of proves my point. Doesn’t it? Lol.
You guys are all right. Solder has been solid this year and his contract isn’t bad. It’s Eli’s fault and he isn’t getting help. That’s all... lol.
No....it really doesnt...you thick, loudmouthed simpleton. You are suggesting that the contract of a guy who plays every game is worse than contracts that were signed by teams on players with a noted injury history that miss significant time as the worst in history.
Dont you tire of people pointing out to you that you're brain-dead?
Lol. Who’s throwing the tantrum now.
Calm down buddy. This isn’t the end of the world.
Whether it’s about Eli, a fantasy player, the Bulls, etc you really dig on on what you like and don’t like and don’t budge. You double and triple down and then get mad when people don’t agree with you.
Here comes the triple down with an arrogant "lol" at the end.....