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Archer : 11/10/2018 12:52 pm
Daniel Jones is looking good today
He is demonstrating a great arm , fast release , and decisive throws
I find it a little strange that we dont hear  
chopperhatch : 11/10/2018 12:56 pm : link
About the Giants attending Duke games to watch Jones like we have heard about them going to Ducks games for Herbert or today for Grier at WVU.
He's got a good set of skills  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/10/2018 1:00 pm : link
and he's got Duke to a winning record, looks like they will go to a bowl game. Mentored by Cutcliffe is also a positive. I'm sure he will be in the mix come draft time, question is where? 1st rd, 2nd rd?
RE: I find it a little strange that we dont hear  
jgambrosio : 11/10/2018 1:03 pm : link
In comment 14170776 chopperhatch said:
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About the Giants attending Duke games to watch Jones like we have heard about them going to Ducks games for Herbert or today for Grier at WVU.



Maybe waiting for better games to scout out more players? I mean they did play VA tech and Miami but so so otherwise. I'm sure they've got guys going to next week's Clemson game
Probably not as reported  
AcesUp : 11/10/2018 1:06 pm : link
He's not getting the hype in the media that Grier and Herbert are. Less overall talent on the roster compared to those teams as well.
RE: RE: I find it a little strange that we dont hear  
chopperhatch : 11/10/2018 1:10 pm : link
In comment 14170799 jgambrosio said:
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About the Giants attending Duke games to watch Jones like we have heard about them going to Ducks games for Herbert or today for Grier at WVU.




Maybe waiting for better games to scout out more players? I mean they did play VA tech and Miami but so so otherwise. I'm sure they've got guys going to next week's Clemson game


Yea I hear ya. But to be fair, I dont know if he will give a good impression of his ability with Clemson's D line matching up against the Duke O line. I expect Clemson to devour them.

Nice deep ball there. Hold may have prevented a TD.
Jones has PLENTY  
chopperhatch : 11/10/2018 1:11 pm : link
of arm strength and anticipates his receivers very well.
Nothing against Jones  
Anakim : 11/10/2018 1:12 pm : link
But this UNC defense is absolutely pitiful. Holy shit, what a terrible defense.
RE: Nothing against Jones  
chopperhatch : 11/10/2018 1:17 pm : link
In comment 14170821 Anakim said:
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But this UNC defense is absolutely pitiful. Holy shit, what a terrible defense.


Yea well, Duke's OL is terrible and Jones is lucky if he hits a receiver in stride amd the receiver catches the ball. So keep that in mimd.

But this is the cookie in their recent schedule for sure. Its a shame last week in Miami was a deluge. Would have loved to see him get some shots against a great D.
Underthrew that a touch...  
chopperhatch : 11/10/2018 1:36 pm : link
But got the PI. I still really like this QB. He is not electric by any means. But he can make all the throws, will hang in the pocket if needed, can run and he is really good at RPO.
He's underthrown a few balls  
Anakim : 11/10/2018 1:45 pm : link
But he does seem like an efficient guy
I gotta wonder if its because  
chopperhatch : 11/10/2018 1:48 pm : link
He doesnt have any guys that can really stretch the field. He seems to be putting an awful lot of air under the ball and in most of the cases he has to get rid of the ball.
Jones just ran for like 30 yds  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/10/2018 1:48 pm : link
including outrunning a DE to the edge.

He has a decent set of wheels.
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chopperhatch : 11/10/2018 1:50 pm : link
In comment 14170870 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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including outrunning a DE to the edge.

He has a decent set of wheels.



More than decent. And he just gritted out a weaving 10 yard run for a 1st down.
Speaking of his wheels  
Anakim : 11/10/2018 2:01 pm : link
That was nice!
Wheels  
AcesUp : 11/10/2018 2:01 pm : link
He can run.
Anybody else want to tell me  
chopperhatch : 11/10/2018 2:03 pm : link
About Herbert's running ability and why that makes him better than Jones?
RE: Anybody else want to tell me  
Anakim : 11/10/2018 2:05 pm : link
In comment 14170904 chopperhatch said:
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About Herbert's running ability and why that makes him better than Jones?


Well, Herbert is probably faster, but yeah, it doesn't matter much if you can't make people miss.
Grier with an impressive pass  
steve in ky : 11/10/2018 2:06 pm : link
Anyone else watching WVU game
RE: Grier with an impressive pass  
Anakim : 11/10/2018 2:07 pm : link
In comment 14170907 steve in ky said:
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Anyone else watching WVU game


Yeah, it was a nice throw
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chopperhatch : 11/10/2018 2:11 pm : link
In comment 14170906 Anakim said:
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About Herbert's running ability and why that makes him better than Jones?



Well, Herbert is probably faster, but yeah, it doesn't matter much if you can't make people miss.


Yea and even if hes a full .2 secs faster on his 40, Jones runs with a purpose and falls forward. Really like this kid.
RE: Grier with an impressive pass  
chopperhatch : 11/10/2018 2:14 pm : link
In comment 14170907 steve in ky said:
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Anyone else watching WVU game


I lost interest. TCU's defense is awful. Grier is throwing to wide open players.
That was Jones  
chopperhatch : 11/10/2018 2:29 pm : link
Throwing a dart on 3rd and 14.
And Odell/Shep get under  
chopperhatch : 11/10/2018 2:31 pm : link
That ball for a TD.
Yea UNC has a terrible defense but  
tyrik13 : 11/10/2018 2:35 pm : link
They did take Syracuse to double overtime this year and this is a good game. This is reinforcing what I've been hearing the drums about Daniel Jones as our next QB, the kid can flat out play. He's mobile, has good arm strength, he's very very accurate and most importantly he's a leader, physically and vocally. He throws a beautiful deep ball with touch and he will grit out a 10+ yd run or more.
Beating*  
tyrik13 : 11/10/2018 2:35 pm : link
Not hearing
RE: Yea UNC has a terrible defense but  
chopperhatch : 11/10/2018 2:49 pm : link
In comment 14170941 tyrik13 said:
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They did take Syracuse to double overtime this year and this is a good game. This is reinforcing what I've been hearing the drums about Daniel Jones as our next QB, the kid can flat out play. He's mobile, has good arm strength, he's very very accurate and most importantly he's a leader, physically and vocally. He throws a beautiful deep ball with touch and he will grit out a 10+ yd run or more.


I havent noticed him being very vocal. But your point remains. I agree that he is my favorite and the best NFL QB prospect this coming draft. I take him and dont look back. He has a quick release. Makes quick decisions. He would have better numbers, but his receivers drop a ton of balls.

Where would you feel comfortable drafting him tyrik? Do you try and trade down for more picks? Or would you take him top 5?
That wouldve  
chopperhatch : 11/10/2018 2:52 pm : link
Been a 50 plus yarder, but it hit him in the face.
Shit,  
chopperhatch : 11/10/2018 2:56 pm : link
Sack fumble from the blind side. He'd fit right in here.
If somehow the Giants do end up drafting Jones  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/10/2018 2:57 pm : link
At least he can’t wear #17 since KL already has it.
Jones can run  
AcesUp : 11/10/2018 2:59 pm : link
But every defender on UNC takes angles like Curtis Riley.
Like I said-lol  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/10/2018 2:59 pm : link
Decent set of wheels
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tyrik13 : 11/10/2018 3:09 pm : link
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They did take Syracuse to double overtime this year and this is a good game. This is reinforcing what I've been hearing the drums about Daniel Jones as our next QB, the kid can flat out play. He's mobile, has good arm strength, he's very very accurate and most importantly he's a leader, physically and vocally. He throws a beautiful deep ball with touch and he will grit out a 10+ yd run or more.



I havent noticed him being very vocal. But your point remains. I agree that he is my favorite and the best NFL QB prospect this coming draft. I take him and dont look back. He has a quick release. Makes quick decisions. He would have better numbers, but his receivers drop a ton of balls.

Where would you feel comfortable drafting him tyrik? Do you try and trade down for more picks? Or would you take him top 5?


Depending on his showing at the combine (where I think he'll show out big time) I would try and trade back a couple of spots and draft him. If the Giants feel he would be gone by then, draft him and don't look back.
Jones stat line is absolutely  
tyrik13 : 11/10/2018 3:10 pm : link
Ridiculous: 332 yds and 3 tds passing 178 and 1td rushing
Every duke game  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/10/2018 3:11 pm : link
I see the wrs drop a bomb
He just set a duke  
tyrik13 : 11/10/2018 3:11 pm : link
Record with 526 yards of total offense and there is still damn near 14 mins left in the game.
RE: Every duke game  
tyrik13 : 11/10/2018 3:12 pm : link
In comment 14170986 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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I see the wrs drop a bomb


His recievers and oline are trash, he truly does make them better.
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chopperhatch : 11/10/2018 3:14 pm : link
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I see the wrs drop a bomb



His recievers and oline are trash, he truly does make them better.


Thats why I temper my excitement to see him play Clemson next week.
RE: Probably not as reported  
BigBlueShock : 11/10/2018 3:18 pm : link
In comment 14170806 AcesUp said:
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He's not getting the hype in the media that Grier and Herbert are. Less overall talent on the roster compared to those teams as well.

Oregon doesn’t have much talent either. Their skill position players are dreadful. People think it’s Oregon, so they must have talent all over the field as usual but this is the least talented Oregon offense at the skill position in a long time.
RE: If somehow the Giants do end up drafting Jones  
Mad Mike : 11/10/2018 3:21 pm : link
In comment 14170968 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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At least he can’t wear #17 since KL already has it.

Jones can just pull a Burress - promise to build Lauletta a new kitchen to switch numbers, then stiff him.
RE: RE: Probably not as reported  
AcesUp : 11/10/2018 3:23 pm : link
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He's not getting the hype in the media that Grier and Herbert are. Less overall talent on the roster compared to those teams as well.


Oregon doesn’t have much talent either. Their skill position players are dreadful. People think it’s Oregon, so they must have talent all over the field as usual but this is the least talented Oregon offense at the skill position in a long time.


I'm referring to overall talent that would attract scouts outside of the QB position.
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tyrik13 : 11/10/2018 3:24 pm : link
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He's not getting the hype in the media that Grier and Herbert are. Less overall talent on the roster compared to those teams as well.


Oregon doesn’t have much talent either. Their skill position players are dreadful. People think it’s Oregon, so they must have talent all over the field as usual but this is the least talented Oregon offense at the skill position in a long time.


Oregon has way better skill position players than Duke does and it's not even close. Difference is Herbert doesn't seem to elevate his team, where as Jones does.
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BigBlueShock : 11/10/2018 3:24 pm : link
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He's not getting the hype in the media that Grier and Herbert are. Less overall talent on the roster compared to those teams as well.


Oregon doesn’t have much talent either. Their skill position players are dreadful. People think it’s Oregon, so they must have talent all over the field as usual but this is the least talented Oregon offense at the skill position in a long time.



I'm referring to overall talent that would attract scouts outside of the QB position.

Ah ok, sorry. My bad
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BigBlueShock : 11/10/2018 3:28 pm : link
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He's not getting the hype in the media that Grier and Herbert are. Less overall talent on the roster compared to those teams as well.


Oregon doesn’t have much talent either. Their skill position players are dreadful. People think it’s Oregon, so they must have talent all over the field as usual but this is the least talented Oregon offense at the skill position in a long time.



Oregon has way better skill position players than Duke does and it's not even close. Difference is Herbert doesn't seem to elevate his team, where as Jones does.

If you think Oregon has good skill position players then that’s a sure sign that you havent bothered to watch them play this year. Literally ever single telecast they talk about the lack of talent. Let’s not confuse past years Oregon teams with this one. The WRs Herbert is throwing to are dreadful. But I guess only Jones gets to use that excuse?
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tyrik13 : 11/10/2018 3:37 pm : link
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He's not getting the hype in the media that Grier and Herbert are. Less overall talent on the roster compared to those teams as well.


Oregon doesn’t have much talent either. Their skill position players are dreadful. People think it’s Oregon, so they must have talent all over the field as usual but this is the least talented Oregon offense at the skill position in a long time.



Oregon has way better skill position players than Duke does and it's not even close. Difference is Herbert doesn't seem to elevate his team, where as Jones does.


If you think Oregon has good skill position players then that’s a sure sign that you havent bothered to watch them play this year. Literally ever single telecast they talk about the lack of talent. Let’s not confuse past years Oregon teams with this one. The WRs Herbert is throwing to are dreadful. But I guess only Jones gets to use that excuse?


Sir, I've watched them play this year and what I said was, they have better skill position players than Duke does, might want to re-read what I wrote. Also, if Duke had a Dillion Mitchell, which they surely do not, Jones numbers would be way better than what he's putting up. Duke doesn't field many 4 or 5 star players, if any at all.
Herbert also has a  
tyrik13 : 11/10/2018 3:40 pm : link
Better o-line than Duke does as well. There is no confusion as far as this year's Oregon team vs any of their previous teams. They still have more talent on either side of the ball then Duke does.
I'm a unicorn  
Dave M : 11/10/2018 4:05 pm : link
In the fact that I'm a Duke football fan. Coach Cutcliffe has had them to bowls just about every year recently. They have more talent than people give them credit for. They've been putting a few pro NFL prospects on their team every year. Granted, not as many as Oregon, but they are not exactly Rutgers. Jones is the best QB they've had in a while and coming back off a broken collarbone in 2 weeks is sick. He definitely is more talented than Duke's last two Cutcliffe QBs that went pro Sean Renfree and Thad Lewis but they didn't have the players around him Jones has had. I'm no expert but Imo he's better than Lauletta. I didn't even realize the Giants were linked to him.
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chopperhatch : 11/10/2018 4:23 pm : link
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He's not getting the hype in the media that Grier and Herbert are. Less overall talent on the roster compared to those teams as well.


Oregon doesn’t have much talent either. Their skill position players are dreadful. People think it’s Oregon, so they must have talent all over the field as usual but this is the least talented Oregon offense at the skill position in a long time.



Oregon has way better skill position players than Duke does and it's not even close. Difference is Herbert doesn't seem to elevate his team, where as Jones does.


If you think Oregon has good skill position players then that’s a sure sign that you havent bothered to watch them play this year. Literally ever single telecast they talk about the lack of talent. Let’s not confuse past years Oregon teams with this one. The WRs Herbert is throwing to are dreadful. But I guess only Jones gets to use that excuse?



Sir, I've watched them play this year and what I said was, they have better skill position players than Duke does, might want to re-read what I wrote. Also, if Duke had a Dillion Mitchell, which they surely do not, Jones numbers would be way better than what he's putting up. Duke doesn't field many 4 or 5 star players, if any at all.


Mitchell, the line and 2 above avg backs.

Duke skil v. Oregon is not even close.
RE: I find it a little strange that we dont hear  
santacruzom : 11/10/2018 4:37 pm : link
In comment 14170776 chopperhatch said:
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About the Giants attending Duke games to watch Jones like we have heard about them going to Ducks games for Herbert or today for Grier at WVU.


Yeah but the Giants might not be very good at this whole scouting thing.
RE: RE: I find it a little strange that we dont hear  
Deejboy : 11/10/2018 8:58 pm : link
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About the Giants attending Duke games to watch Jones like we have heard about them going to Ducks games for Herbert or today for Grier at WVU.



Yeah but the Giants might not be very good at this whole scouting thing.

Ugh. I hate our fans.
RE: RE: I find it a little strange that we dont hear  
Strahan91 : 11/10/2018 9:09 pm : link
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About the Giants attending Duke games to watch Jones like we have heard about them going to Ducks games for Herbert or today for Grier at WVU.



Yeah but the Giants might not be very good at this whole scouting thing.

The Giants were at today’s Duke game.
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I wish that Kyler Murray was 6'3" and eligible this year.  
yatqb : 11/10/2018 10:17 pm : link
He's really talented, and is the type of double threat QB who would do well in the NFL if he were a bit bigger.
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