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CMicks3110 : 11/10/2018 10:07 pm
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Looks like Dave Gettleman made it to Salt Lake City along with Kevin Abrams.

Justin Herbert out here as well. Should start getting warm soon.
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Just because they scouted him doesn't mean they'll  
Blue21 : 11/11/2018 8:06 am : link
pick him.
RE: Just because they scouted him doesn't mean they'll  
BigBlueShock : 11/11/2018 8:14 am : link
In comment 14171600 Blue21 said:
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pick him.

Wow. Thatís some deep intel right there. Thanks for the info!
This seems to be the Giant theme song this year:  
Doomster : 11/11/2018 8:17 am : link
"Don't you wanna be ruthless and rotten and mad?
Don't you wanna be very, very good at being bad?"

Be bad, get the pick.....
I only got to watch the highlights  
dep026 : 11/11/2018 8:34 am : link
This guy has the skills but obviously needs some grooming.

I can get behind him as our QB but much rather see him sit for a half of season or season behind a veteran. I think putting him right in would be a mistake.
RE: Just because they scouted him doesn't mean they'll  
Jimmy Googs : 11/11/2018 8:39 am : link
In comment 14171600 Blue21 said:
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pick him.


Really...why not? I mean they had to pay for airfare and a rental car probably, not to mention the price of the game ticket. Why do all that and not pick the guy...
RE: RE: Just because they scouted him doesn't mean they'll  
micky : 11/11/2018 8:40 am : link
In comment 14171631 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 14171600 Blue21 said:


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pick him.



Really...why not? I mean they had to pay for airfare and a rental car probably, not to mention the price of the game ticket. Why do all that and not pick the guy...


He actually just went for the tailgate
Herbert  
Hilary : 11/11/2018 9:26 am : link
The only way Giants get Herbertbis. If Gruden passes on him
RE: RE: Quasi big deal  
DavidinBMNY : 11/11/2018 10:10 am : link
In comment 14171581 jeffusedtobeonwebtv said:
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In comment 14171571 DavidinBMNY said:


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.The brass is out west for the 49ers game. With an extra day until the game they are strategically fitting in a trip to see a QB.
.The scouts have seen most of Oregon's games. They have been scouting him heavily so this was a "see with my own eyes"
.He is not a sure thing to declare. He is a top 10 pick but not necessarily in the top 3.
.The best argument for him to declare is the strength of the '20 qb class where he is 3 at best, where this year he is 2 at worst.

Watch the duke QB. I like him. Yes I recall Dave Brown.







We all recall Dave brown with horror, but let us also recall Eli Manning in his prime. His college coach at Mississippi is now the coach at Duke. So let's use that comparison instead of Dave Brown.
I agree 100% - I was trying to emphasize the same point. You did it better.
RE: Gettleman scouted Oregon donuts  
djm : 11/11/2018 10:31 am : link
In comment 14171541 B in ALB said:
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and Nike poon on the sidelines today. Don't get it twisted. The guy is a horror show when it comes to talent evaluation.


Based on what? Omamele and solder? What about this rookie class...
RE: RE: Just because they scouted him doesn't mean they'll  
djm : 11/11/2018 10:33 am : link
In comment 14171606 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 14171600 Blue21 said:


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pick him.


Wow. Thatís some deep intel right there. Thanks for the info!


Actually it is because itís apparent that some people need to have this insight drilled into them.
My Guess  
Percy : 11/11/2018 10:45 am : link
Eli will start next year and we won't go for a QB in this next draft. Too many other serious problems need to be addressed first -- and the pickings at QB this year look thin.
RE: My Guess  
Jay on the Island : 11/11/2018 11:15 am : link
In comment 14171730 Percy said:
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Eli will start next year and we won't go for a QB in this next draft. Too many other serious problems need to be addressed first -- and the pickings at QB this year look thin.

If the Giants don't come away with a QB in this years draft I expect Eli to be back next year as well. They will then go all in for a QB in 2020.
If that roster bonus is given to Eli next March  
Jimmy Googs : 11/11/2018 11:25 am : link
DG should be taken to the woodshed.

followed by Mara...
RE: My Guess  
NYG07 : 11/11/2018 11:42 am : link
In comment 14171730 Percy said:
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Eli will start next year and we won't go for a QB in this next draft. Too many other serious problems need to be addressed first -- and the pickings at QB this year look thin.


Any scenario where Eli is on the roster in 2019 is a massive mistake. If they don't like these QBs, fine. Start Lauletta and use the cap savings with cutting Eli to sign other players that can make the team around him better.
RE: RE: RE: Quasi big deal  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/11/2018 11:48 am : link
In comment 14171692 DavidinBMNY said:
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In comment 14171581 jeffusedtobeonwebtv said:


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In comment 14171571 DavidinBMNY said:


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.The brass is out west for the 49ers game. With an extra day until the game they are strategically fitting in a trip to see a QB.
.The scouts have seen most of Oregon's games. They have been scouting him heavily so this was a "see with my own eyes"
.He is not a sure thing to declare. He is a top 10 pick but not necessarily in the top 3.
.The best argument for him to declare is the strength of the '20 qb class where he is 3 at best, where this year he is 2 at worst.

Watch the duke QB. I like him. Yes I recall Dave Brown.







We all recall Dave brown with horror, but let us also recall Eli Manning in his prime. His college coach at Mississippi is now the coach at Duke. So let's use that comparison instead of Dave Brown.

I agree 100% - I was trying to emphasize the same point. You did it better.


Yeah, I'm not sure that this is a case of Cutcliffe building great NFL QBs as much as simply having the opportunity and a good working relationship with the Manning family.

Six quarterbacks whom Cutcliffe coached in college have gone on to play in the NFL: Heath Shuler, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Erik Ainge, Thaddeus Lewis, and Sean Renfree.
David Cutcliffe  
Ash_3 : 11/11/2018 11:57 am : link
in and of himself really doesn't reassure me whether a QB is worth a top level pick. The name is familiar, but I have a hard time thinking Peyton or Eli would not have had the same career without DC.
RE: My Guess  
mdc1 : 11/11/2018 11:58 am : link
In comment 14171730 Percy said:
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Eli will start next year and we won't go for a QB in this next draft. Too many other serious problems need to be addressed first -- and the pickings at QB this year look thin.


This is more likely, our organization is stupid, lazy, and incompetent. This has been proven since 2011. They will double down on the phrase "we are fixing the oline".
RE: RE: My Guess  
Carson53 : 11/11/2018 12:10 pm : link
In comment 14171808 mdc1 said:
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In comment 14171730 Percy said:


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Eli will start next year and we won't go for a QB in this next draft. Too many other serious problems need to be addressed first -- and the pickings at QB this year look thin.



This is more likely, our organization is stupid, lazy, and incompetent. This has been proven since 2011. They will double down on the phrase "we are fixing the oline".
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They did fix the OLine with Omameh and Solder, oh wait...
Let's wait another couple years to draft a QB, while they are at it as well. What a cluster%uck this organization has become, Good Lord!
RE: If that roster bonus is given to Eli next March  
Diver_Down : 11/11/2018 1:53 pm : link
In comment 14171771 Jimmy Googs said:
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DG should be taken to the woodshed.

followed by Mara...


Why? It will be cheap insurance.

If we have the #1 pick and DG is taking a QB, then it doesn't make sense to keep Eli. If we are picking at #3 or lower (Monday night's game will dictate our draft position see Ray's thread), then there is no guarantee that we get our guy. Other teams will be compelled to trade ahead of us knowing that we will looking to draft one.

Eli can get his roster bonus and if the draft falls where we get our guy, then Eli can still be waived without having to pay his salary. We will still be on the hook for the roster bonus and signing bonus, but save the salary.

Of course, if DG wants a stopgap until the rookie takes the field, he'll likely just keep Eli at $11.5M.
Nyg07  
jtgiants : 11/11/2018 4:06 pm : link
That's beyond dumb logic. What makes you think Lauletta is an upgrade to Eli? Spoiler alert. Lauletta upside is that of Jeff Rutledge. A long term backup. The hatred of eli is odd to me. Again on top of the online there ate other serious issues. I think the skill players, for example, are overrated. Beckham, engram and Shepard all drop WAY too many passes and get a huge pass around here. If it's me. You move on from Eli then move on from the clowns also and blow it up. I'm not against a young qb, by the way, just hate the false narrative its on eli. It isn't.
RE: Nyg07  
NYG07 : 11/11/2018 4:45 pm : link
In comment 14172075 jtgiants said:
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That's beyond dumb logic. What makes you think Lauletta is an upgrade to Eli? Spoiler alert. Lauletta upside is that of Jeff Rutledge. A long term backup. The hatred of eli is odd to me. Again on top of the online there ate other serious issues. I think the skill players, for example, are overrated. Beckham, engram and Shepard all drop WAY too many passes and get a huge pass around here. If it's me. You move on from Eli then move on from the clowns also and blow it up. I'm not against a young qb, by the way, just hate the false narrative its on eli. It isn't.


Because anything is better than Eli at a $23M cap hit at this point. I know you still have undying allegiance to Manning, but you need to let it go. He hasn't been good since 2015, and his continued presence on this roster will only hold them back further. You can spew all you want its everyone else's fault. They need a change at QB.
Eli will play next season  
Bluesbreaker : 11/11/2018 5:36 pm : link
If we take a QB at #1 per say whatever saves us cap space
and salary . Eli could start the year and do his farewell
tour . Say they take a QB its economics for the team
I'm guessing next season is his last in Blue .
They could take a QB and release him and start whomever
and it doesn't mean they start a rookie .
We still need to see Lauletta I would think thats gonna happen soon . We have to lose out for the most part
not to hard to do we stink Monday maybe our last win
if were lucky .
RE: Gettleman scouted Oregon donuts  
BlueHurricane : 11/11/2018 6:21 pm : link
In comment 14171541 B in ALB said:
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and Nike poon on the sidelines today. Don't get it twisted. The guy is a horror show when it comes to talent evaluation.


What kind of name is Poon???
Comanche Indian  
Greg from LI : 11/11/2018 6:22 pm : link
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RE: Eli will play next season  
Toastt34 : 11/11/2018 8:52 pm : link
In comment 14172172 Bluesbreaker said:
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If we take a QB at #1 per say whatever saves us cap space
and salary . Eli could start the year and do his farewell
tour . Say they take a QB its economics for the team
I'm guessing next season is his last in Blue .
They could take a QB and release him and start whomever
and it doesn't mean they start a rookie .
We still need to see Lauletta I would think thats gonna happen soon . We have to lose out for the most part
not to hard to do we stink Monday maybe our last win
if were lucky .

This is Eliís farewell tour.
even if they dont draft a qb  
hassan : 11/11/2018 10:11 pm : link
Eli has to go.

His value is terrible and signing a backup quality player at qb will mean savings that can go to the line, or other positions that are needed. It will probably net the same results. Of course this place will have the Eli fanboys ripping the shreds off of whoever follows if he performs the same as Eli.

This is not to mention the absolute terrible message they send to the entire team who has already lost faith.

It does not matter if Lauletta is better or not, they have to try him and get a read. JTGiants with a terrible post and then calling people dumb........I suggest you read Eric's review and his assessment of the qb situation.

If Lauletta is not better this is the perfect chance to find out--because its not as if they are winning.

By this logic Kurt Warner should have played every snap in 2004.
RE: even if they dont draft a qb  
NYG07 : 11/11/2018 10:26 pm : link
In comment 14172352 hassan said:
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Eli has to go.

His value is terrible and signing a backup quality player at qb will mean savings that can go to the line, or other positions that are needed. It will probably net the same results. Of course this place will have the Eli fanboys ripping the shreds off of whoever follows if he performs the same as Eli.

This is not to mention the absolute terrible message they send to the entire team who has already lost faith.

It does not matter if Lauletta is better or not, they have to try him and get a read. JTGiants with a terrible post and then calling people dumb........I suggest you read Eric's review and his assessment of the qb situation.

If Lauletta is not better this is the perfect chance to find out--because its not as if they are winning.

By this logic Kurt Warner should have played every snap in 2004.


Exactly.
I've watched his highlights ...  
Manny in CA : 11/11/2018 11:46 pm : link

He has what I would describe as an "effortless delivery", even the deep balls. I would imagine his passes are very easy to catch.
RE: I've watched his highlights ...  
chopperhatch : 11/12/2018 1:54 am : link
In comment 14172410 Manny in CA said:
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He has what I would describe as an "effortless delivery", even the deep balls. I would imagine his passes are very easy to catch.


Just.....terrific insight.
What if Eli doesn't want to be here  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/12/2018 6:27 am : link
When presented with the option of reduced playing time last year, he chose to sit.
JTGiants  
NYG07 : 11/12/2018 10:19 am : link
We have been going back and forth since last year and I suggest you stop making predictions. Just a few weeks ago you guaranteed the Giants would win at least 3 of their next 4 games. They are a whopping 0-2 since you made that bold prediction. You also need to let go of your insistence that Eli is still good. Here is a direct quote from Sy in his review of the Redskins game:

"His entire game looks awfully slow. His mental reactions, his release, his footwork, and his arm. There isnít any juice there."

That is exactly what I see and have been saying since last year. IT IS OVER.
NYG is in a tough QB spot  
JonC : 11/12/2018 10:26 am : link
Eli is declining and hearing footsteps, and without a proper OL in front of him, he's often a sitting duck with PTSD.

With Lauletta, you have no idea what you've got and until Shurmur/Shula feel like he's demonstrating grasp in practice, he won't see snaps on gameday. He also will likely not have even a mediocre OL in front of him, which will be a factor in the the coaches' decisions on whom to play.

Either way, an old schooler like Shurmur will likely defer to the veteran over the unknown.

Fans need to understand there's a process  
JonC : 11/12/2018 10:33 am : link
to getting Lauletta ready to play, while doing so with the parallel goal of winning the game(s) at hand. Shurmur, his coaches, and the players want/need to win games in order to protect their spots with the team beyond 2018. There's not much thought being given to 2019 yet, that's DG's job and roadmap to lay out for his subordinates.

It goes against the grain of what fans want, and to some extent it goes against the team beginning to look towards 2019. But, ownership will likely choose the former as well, given the livelihood of many is on the hook at the end of the day.
I'm impressed with what I've seen on video of Justin Herbert,  
Ira : 11/12/2018 10:43 am : link
but I can only find three of his 2018 games on youtube - Bowling Green, Portland State and Cal. I'd like to see some of his other games, particularly his less successful ones to get a balanced view of what he brings to the table.
RE: Herbert  
bradshaw44 : 11/12/2018 10:43 am : link
In comment 14171670 Hilary said:
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The only way Giants get Herbertbis. If Gruden passes on him



Sounds like an STD. No thanks.
Herbert has a ton of natural QB skills  
JonC : 11/12/2018 10:45 am : link
He's been a bit inconsistent at times, and protected by some of the scheming at times due to the talent around him. He also lost most of the 2017 season due to injury.
JonC  
hassan : 11/12/2018 12:05 pm : link
totally right. why iím not insisting we see Lauletta this week.

However anyone claiming not to see Lauletta play at some point this year because he probably wonít be better than Eli is missing the entire point.

iím not even getting into some of the blind bats around here that insisted there would be some robust market for him or that he could still be highly effective in a better setting.
I am warming to Herbert  
dep026 : 11/12/2018 12:27 pm : link
but I would prefer he came in with a new coach tey can grow together.
RE: JonC  
JonC : 11/12/2018 12:35 pm : link
In comment 14172739 hassan said:
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totally right. why iím not insisting we see Lauletta this week.

However anyone claiming not to see Lauletta play at some point this year because he probably wonít be better than Eli is missing the entire point.

iím not even getting into some of the blind bats around here that insisted there would be some robust market for him or that he could still be highly effective in a better setting.


Yep, at some point Lauletta figures to get some reps, probably after they're mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.
RE: JonC  
NYG07 : 11/12/2018 12:49 pm : link
In comment 14172739 hassan said:
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totally right. why iím not insisting we see Lauletta this week.

However anyone claiming not to see Lauletta play at some point this year because he probably wonít be better than Eli is missing the entire point.

iím not even getting into some of the blind bats around here that insisted there would be some robust market for him or that he could still be highly effective in a better setting.


Hassan, why have you not been more active around here this year? I assume apathy. You and I took endless piles of shit from the posters who would defend Eli to the end last year. Please post more.
Not giving up on Eli  
JonC : 11/12/2018 12:50 pm : link
meant not giving up on the 2018 season, that's a hard deal for many.
RE: Not giving up on Eli  
NYG07 : 11/12/2018 1:01 pm : link
In comment 14172808 JonC said:
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meant not giving up on the 2018 season, that's a hard deal for many.


But that's the problem Jon. I would have gladly taken a punt on this season if it meant moving on from Eli. He is a relic from a long lost era of football. I watched the sunday night football game last night with a random falcons fan and I asked him point blank, "what is wrong with the Giants?" In two words he gave me the correct answer, "Eli Manning".
Thereís a lot more with the Giants  
dep026 : 11/12/2018 1:04 pm : link
Than just Eli.
I get it, I was ready to punt Eli last January without hesitation  
JonC : 11/12/2018 1:05 pm : link
I subscribe to the better a year early than late principle.

But, that's not how the team will operate in real time. Mara will focus on filling seats and from Shurmur down their focus is win and return in 2019.

2019 falls down their list.
So, management holds onto the past and bets on Eli for 2018  
JonC : 11/12/2018 1:07 pm : link
and the fans hold onto the past because of the glimmer of 2016, and then we live through another lost in space season of confusion.
I agree...  
NYG07 : 11/12/2018 1:20 pm : link
And the fact that so many of us on a message board could see this team needed to move on from Eli and the guys that get paid millions to make these decisions couldn't is tired. I also dont want to hear the argument that Eli's contract made it impossible either. They would have had to eat 12M in dead money, but they still would have freed up 10M in cap space with cutting him last year. They decided to go all in with Eli when they should have planned for the future. And now here we are in the midst of another atrocious season.
It was part contract  
JonC : 11/12/2018 1:34 pm : link
part filling the stadium on gameday and selling merchandise and concessions, part respect to Eli, part we're sorry for the benching fiasco, and part hoping Eli could win some games and bridge them to the next QB will some sort of grace and positive effect.

The situation is bad enough where the changes needed will take time to take effect. Draft picks, chemistry, etc need time to develop. DG's plan, right or wrong, will take time to take effect (and for his mistakes to be rooted out and fixed).

I realize these aren't things fans want to hear. But, I'm prepared to watch this team stumble, grow, and hopefully point the arrow up next season. They all need to learn how to be pro's, learn how to do all the little things correctly when live bullets are flying, and then learn how to win as a collective force.

2016 was the outlier, it had enough of the TC culture and imprint left in house and the defensive upgrades along with Eli/OB's big play ability resulted in a strong season. The emperor had no clothes as it began to fade and teams figured them out.
Too early to hang my hat on Herbert  
Tom from LI : 11/12/2018 1:46 pm : link
At this point I like Daniel Jones a little more. What I've seen is that Herbert makes a really nice throw followed up by 2 or 3 WTF throws.

Daniel Jones is doing more with less in my opinion. Still a little too early to declare who I would like on the Giants.

There is something about Daniel Jones that reminds me of Phillip Rivers. I don't know what it is. but he does.
The Jets Offense looked brutal  
RollBlue : 11/12/2018 2:43 pm : link
w/o Darnold yesterday. The guy is 21 years old playing on a crappy team. Remember Eli in year 3 throwing 4 picks against Minny? Then went on to win the SB. With the yound QBs, need to wait 3-4 years to truly evaluate. That's why if you pick the wrong one, it sets you back 5 years.

From what I've seem so far, all 4 guys picked in the first round look like they will be good QBs in a few years.

If Herbert is similar to these guys after evaluation, and we can pick him, gotta do it.
An Ahm Touched by tha Heyund of Gahd!  
Rafflee : 11/12/2018 7:16 pm : link
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