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NGT: LeVeon Bell not expected to report by Tuesday deadline

pjcas18 : 11/10/2018 10:27 pm
per Schefter.

if he does not report by Tuesday he becomes ineligible to play the rest of the season.

I understood the hold out, don't understand not reporting (assuming Schefter is accurate, which is not a safe assumption).

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My fantasy team says thank you.  
Eli Wilson : 11/10/2018 10:34 pm : link
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I haven't been following this too much  
kelsto811 : 11/10/2018 10:37 pm : link
If I remember correctly it went like this...he held out due to being franchised at 14.5 mil? And he turned down a 5 year deal that would have paid him 30 mil over the first 2 years.

So he now loses a full years wort of salary (the entire 14.5 mil) unless he reports?

He will be 27 years old next year and from my understanding, the Steelers could just franchise tag him again since he didn't report this year?

If that is all correct, I'm just thinking...what team is going to give him 15 mil per year? Especially after seeing Conner's success. I am not doubting Bell's ability but does that not cause hesitation that at least part of his effectiveness was due to the Steelers line and/or offensive scheme? Plus Effective RB's in this league can be had. I still remember being in awe earlier this year when I read the highest paid RB in this league right now is JERRICK MCKINNON.

Wonder how involved Bell's agent is with the advice he's been given. I think this whole thing was a mistake for him. How is he getting that 15 mil back?
Steelers can't franchise tag him  
shyster : 11/10/2018 10:40 pm : link
because under the new CBA it would cost them the QB tag, $25m.

Their other option would be the transition tag, which effectively makes LB a free agent.

He's not going to play because he doesn't want to risk injury until he has a lot of guaranteed money.
I get the hold out  
pjcas18 : 11/10/2018 10:43 pm : link
like I said before. Whether I agree with it or not as the best strategy is irrelevant (who the F am I to advise Bell?) but I get it.

He's guaranteed $15M sure, most of us will never make that much in our entire lives, but if he gets a career ending injury he'd stand to lose much more that he could have gotten in a LT deal.

but not reporting doesn't make sense to me because as you mention, the Steelers can simply franchise him again next year.

How does sitting out this entire year help him?

RE: I get the hold out  
robbieballs2003 : 11/10/2018 10:47 pm : link
In comment 14171512 pjcas18 said:
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like I said before. Whether I agree with it or not as the best strategy is irrelevant (who the F am I to advise Bell?) but I get it.

He's guaranteed $15M sure, most of us will never make that much in our entire lives, but if he gets a career ending injury he'd stand to lose much more that he could have gotten in a LT deal.

but not reporting doesn't make sense to me because as you mention, the Steelers can simply franchise him again next year.

How does sitting out this entire year help him?


The Steelers will not FT him at QB money. That is why. If they do then LB holds them hostage. 25 mil is held up to prevent them from signings players and possibly rookies.
Yes  
pjcas18 : 11/10/2018 10:48 pm : link
actually Shyster is right, they can't tag him again. It would cost them almost $30M.

Still don't think this is the best option for Bell, but we'll see who ponies up the cash for him in free agency and if he gets significantly more than $15M guaranteed.
RE: Steelers can't franchise tag him  
kelsto811 : 11/10/2018 10:49 pm : link
In comment 14171509 shyster said:
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because under the new CBA it would cost them the QB tag, $25m.

Their other option would be the transition tag, which effectively makes LB a free agent.

He's not going to play because he doesn't want to risk injury until he has a lot of guaranteed money.


Thanks for clarifying. So they could tag him, but would have to pay him top 5 player salary (QB) money. So yea that likely won't happen which makes a bit more sense from Bell's side. But couldn't they still tag him until they work out a trade?

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Even without an accrued season in 2018, if Bell were to be tagged again by the Steelers in 2019, it would count as his third franchise tag; it would not revert to his second. Per the CBA, Pittsburgh in that case would be required to tender Bell non-exclusively (with first- and third-round comp picks attached) at the average of the top five highest-paid players at the league's highest-paid position. Whether that interpretation of the CBA is subject to litigation is unclear.

The Steelers are not about to tag Bell for a third time and have to pay him top-five quarterback money.

Also per the CBA, if the Steelers do not tag Bell in 2019, he will become an unrestricted free agent.

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Again, Steeler cannot franchise tag him  
shyster : 11/10/2018 10:50 pm : link
at the RB number. It would have to be the QB number, which they are not going to do.

There was a published report about this a few days ago. I don't have the link handy, but if you go to Schefter's twitter and read the comments, everybody seems to agree this is true.
Sorry my second post was redundant  
shyster : 11/10/2018 10:51 pm : link
Either my screen didn't refresh or you all type too fast.
He will never make up the money  
LauderdaleMatty : 11/10/2018 10:53 pm : link
He lost this year. If he felt injury risk was too great or his pride was hurt and he didn’t want to be forced to sign that’s his decision. IMO he’s not getting any more guaranteed money than what the Steelers offered.

He’s going to get a good deal. Just don’t think he will get what he thinks. .
RE: RE: Steelers can't franchise tag him  
robbieballs2003 : 11/10/2018 10:53 pm : link
In comment 14171516 kelsto811 said:
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In comment 14171509 shyster said:


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because under the new CBA it would cost them the QB tag, $25m.

Their other option would be the transition tag, which effectively makes LB a free agent.

He's not going to play because he doesn't want to risk injury until he has a lot of guaranteed money.



Thanks for clarifying. So they could tag him, but would have to pay him top 5 player salary (QB) money. So yea that likely won't happen which makes a bit more sense from Bell's side. But couldn't they still tag him until they work out a trade?



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Even without an accrued season in 2018, if Bell were to be tagged again by the Steelers in 2019, it would count as his third franchise tag; it would not revert to his second. Per the CBA, Pittsburgh in that case would be required to tender Bell non-exclusively (with first- and third-round comp picks attached) at the average of the top five highest-paid players at the league's highest-paid position. Whether that interpretation of the CBA is subject to litigation is unclear.

The Steelers are not about to tag Bell for a third time and have to pay him top-five quarterback money.

Also per the CBA, if the Steelers do not tag Bell in 2019, he will become an unrestricted free agent.

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They could but that means they need to have the cap room available to tag him in the first place as well as not be players during FA while a trade is worked out. Teams will know this and tell PIT to go fuck themselves. The longer they have Bell tagged at that price range the more it hurts. Hence, it ain't happening. I'm sure PIT wants to move on after their players and coach have ripped Bell (totally disagree with that approach) for his decision.
what a shitshow  
kelsto811 : 11/10/2018 10:54 pm : link
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RE: He will never make up the money  
robbieballs2003 : 11/10/2018 11:01 pm : link
In comment 14171520 LauderdaleMatty said:
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He lost this year. If he felt injury risk was too great or his pride was hurt and he didn’t want to be forced to sign that’s his decision. IMO he’s not getting any more guaranteed money than what the Steelers offered.

He’s going to get a good deal. Just don’t think he will get what he thinks. .


You don't know that.
I don’t  
mattyblue : 11/10/2018 11:15 pm : link
see the logic here. He loses all that money, and probably will end up lowering his FA value.
RE: He will never make up the money  
Danny Kanell : 11/10/2018 11:17 pm : link
In comment 14171520 LauderdaleMatty said:
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He lost this year. If he felt injury risk was too great or his pride was hurt and he didn’t want to be forced to sign that’s his decision. IMO he’s not getting any more guaranteed money than what the Steelers offered.

He’s going to get a good deal. Just don’t think he will get what he thinks. .


Couldn’t disagree more. I think he will get at least double the guaranteed money he would have gotten this year and he didn’t risk injury. He also spared himself of a year of wear and tear.
Sounds like the CBA needs to be reworked  
adamg : 11/10/2018 11:32 pm : link
to say the least...
RE: Sounds like the CBA needs to be reworked  
djstat : 11/11/2018 12:45 am : link
In comment 14171535 adamg said:
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to say the least...
CBA works great. Bell had the right to hold out and the team had the right to try and keep a star player.
Not trying to Miller or anything  
kelsto811 : 11/11/2018 4:17 am : link
But found this post on Reddit. It's long but a good and informative read:

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While arguing about football at work, several attorneys at my firm and I started discussing Le'Veon Bell's situation and how his agent screwed up interpreting the CBA. Naturally, we decided to pull up the CBA ourselves and figure out what it actually says. Surprisingly, it's pretty straightforward and it's shocking this wasn't discovered earlier. So what does the CBA actually say? Since most articles about the issue don't seem to include this (or focus on less relevant sections), I thought I'd offer it here with my brief translations to non-legalese. All of the relevant sections come from Article 10 of the current CBA.

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Section 1. Franchise Player Designations: Except as set forth in Section 9 below, each Club shall be permitted to designate one of its players who would otherwise be an Unrestricted Free Agent as a Franchise Player each season during the term of this Agreement. The player so designated may be one who would otherwise be a Restricted Free Agent. Except as set forth in Section 2(a)(i) below, any Club that designates a Franchise Player shall be the only Club with which such Franchise Player may negotiate or sign a Player Contract during the period the player is so designated, notwithstanding the number of his Accrued Seasons...


This section is fairly simple and just explains how franchise tags work. The important part to note is that this section permits a Club to "designate" a player. Once the player is designated, that player is now restricted to only negotiating and signing with that team.

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Section 2... (b) Any Club that designates a player as a Franchise Player for the third time shall, on the date the third such designation is made, be deemed to have tendered the player a one-year NFL Player Contract for the greater of: (A) the average of the five largest Prior Year Salaries for players at the position (within the categories set forth in Section 7(a) below) with the highest such average; (B) 120% of the average of the five largest Prior Year Salaries for players at the position (within the categories set forth in Section 7(a) below) at which the player participated in the most plays during the prior League Year; or (C) 144% of his Prior Year Salary. (By way of example, a kicker designated as a Franchise Player for the third time in the 2014 League Year would have a Required Tender equal to the greater of: (i) the average of the five largest 2013 Salaries for quarterbacks; (ii) 120% of the average of the five largest 2013 Salaries for kickers; or (iii) 144% of the player’s own 2013 Salary.) If the Club designates the player as a Franchise Player for the third time, the designating Club shall be the only Club with which the player may negotiate or sign a Player Contract. In lieu of designating such a player as a Franchise Player for the third time, any Club may designate such player as a Transition Player pursuant to Section 3 below


This is where the crux of the issue is. Section 2(b) states that any Club that "designates a player as a Franchise Player for the third time" must pay the increased salary described (subsection A explaining why it's the average of the top 5 quarterback salaries). This language matters since it only uses the term "designates" and doesn't require that the player actually sign the tag or play for the team for the designation to count towards the total. If the Steelers were to designate Bell as a franchise player this off-season, that would be the third designation, regardless of if he signed or played on the second designation.

Furthermore, Section 15(c), which authorizes the Steelers to use the Franchise tag even if Bell doesn't play does not change the terms of these sections and explicitly states that the third year designation rule still applies, so it is not relevant to this analysis.

So how did they screw this up and what does it mean?

Breaking it down to its simplest terms, there are two ways to interpret a contract: with just the words on the page, or considering outside factors such as the intent of the parties who agreed to the contract. While the terms of the contract, on their face, that Bell gets the third year tag even if he doesn't play, that's not the only interpretation. It was entirely possible that the NFL and NFLPA meant for this section to be interpreted so that a "designation" is not complete unless they player agrees to a deal with the team. That would mean that if a player was designated and never signed, then the next designation would essentially be a continuation of the previous one, so they would not trigger the third designation rule under 2(b). Given all the reports about the CBA before the season, that is clearly what most analysts believed to be the case (unless they just never read the CBA). It's possible Bell's agent didn't read closely enough at the time to realize this section was open to interpretation or believed, for whatever reason, the the NFL and NFLPA would interpret the CBA to follow this analysis.

However, when the report broke about the CBA terms last week, the NFL and NFLPA confirmed that they interpreted the CBA to mean Bell would get the third year tag regardless of if he plays. Therefore, no matter what analysis is used to interpret the CBA, it is clear that Bell is entitled to the level of compensation spelled under the third year designation rule in Section 2(b), which would amount to around $25 million.

Therefore, the Steelers have 3 options this off-season if Bell doesn't show. 1) Elect not to tag him, allowing him to become an unrestricted free agent; 2) Franchise tag him for a third time at the increased rate; or 3) place a transition tag on him pursuant to Section 3(a). If the Steelers elect to franchise tag him again, they may only place a non-exclusive franchise tag, meaning Bell would still free to negotiate with other teams, but any team that signed him would be required to send a first and third round pick to the Steelers as compensation:

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Section 15...(c) If such a player is redesignated as a Franchise Player for the League Year following the League Year in which he does not play, the player may be designated only under Section 2(a)(i) above, except that Draft Choice Compensation of only one first round draft selection and one third round draft selection shall be made with respect to such player in the event he signs with the New Club. If such a player is designated as a Franchise Player for a third time, the terms of Section 2(b) above shall apply.


If the Steelers elect to use the third option and place the transition tag on him, Bell would still be free to negotiate with other teams, but the Steelers would retain the right to match any offer he receives:

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Section 3...(b) Any Club that designates a Transition Player shall receive the Rights of First Refusal specified in this Article notwithstanding the number of his Accrued Seasons. Any Transition Player shall be completely free to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with any Club during the period from the first day of the League Year following the expiration of his last player contract to July 22, and any Club shall be completely free to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with such player, without penalty or restriction, including, but not limited to, Draft Choice Compensation between Clubs of any kind, subject only to the Prior Club’s Right of First Refusal described in this Article.


Therefore, the transition tag would be irrelevant if the Steelers do not plan to match any of Bell's offers. Additionally, if the Steelers chose to place the transition tag on Bell, they would lose the right to receive compensatory picks for Bell leaving in free agency, as he would not be considered a departing unrestricted free agent under the terms of the CBA.

Tl;dr - It's a near certainty that Bell will be able to get the third year franchise tag this off-season even if he doesn't play and the Steelers would actually benefit from letting him walk as an UFA rather than using the transition tag on him. The Steelers could still tag him then trade him, but it's an open question whether the Steelers would want to wrap up that much cap room on a $25 million tag in the interim.
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He just wasted $14.5 million  
GMEN46 : 11/11/2018 6:56 am : link
And showed he is a terrible teammate. I will be shocked if he gets this magical deal that will compensate him passing on $14mm after what he just pulled. I know everyone thinks it’s great that he saved his body, but he also didn’t play football for a whole season, that can also be seen as a negative. Who knows how rusty he will be and how a being a year older will effect his play.
He didn’t waste $14 million  
UConn4523 : 11/11/2018 7:22 am : link
he set himself up to get paid 2x-3x that amount guaranteed by completely avoiding injury. I really think this is pretty cut and dry.
RE: He just wasted $14.5 million  
mattyblue : 11/11/2018 7:32 am : link
In comment 14171576 GMEN46 said:
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And showed he is a terrible teammate. I will be shocked if he gets this magical deal that will compensate him passing on $14mm after what he just pulled. I know everyone thinks it’s great that he saved his body, but he also didn’t play football for a whole season, that can also be seen as a negative. Who knows how rusty he will be and how a being a year older will effect his play.


Agreed on all points. Also Conner playing as well as he has also tends to hurt his stock as well. Seems foolish
Ask yourself this question  
UConn4523 : 11/11/2018 7:36 am : link
If he played and blew his knee out, what would he make as a FA next year? Now compare that number + the $14.5 million to what Gurley got and let me know how that math adds up.

Fans are too emotional and think everything is a slight. Why is he a bad teammate for holding out? Maybe he should have just told them but maybe he was advised not to? GMs and agents know this is a business and the guy did what he had to do to protect himself. A bunch of teams will be interested in his services, and some will offer him a contract. He will get more than enough money.
RE: Ask yourself this question  
mattyblue : 11/11/2018 7:39 am : link
In comment 14171586 UConn4523 said:
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If he played and blew his knee out, what would he make as a FA next year? Now compare that number + the $14.5 million to what Gurley got and let me know how that math adds up.

Fans are too emotional and think everything is a slight. Why is he a bad teammate for holding out? Maybe he should have just told them but maybe he was advised not to? GMs and agents know this is a business and the guy did what he had to do to protect himself. A bunch of teams will be interested in his services, and some will offer him a contract. He will get more than enough money.


He was already offered $70 million with $35 million guaranteed.
...  
christian : 11/11/2018 7:46 am : link
It will not be hard for Bell to take a policy for the franchise amount nor the reported guarantees in the Steeeler's offer.

He's already gone this far, might as well save his body for a team their is a mutual interest.
RE: RE: Ask yourself this question  
BigBlueShock : 11/11/2018 7:47 am : link
In comment 14171587 mattyblue said:
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If he played and blew his knee out, what would he make as a FA next year? Now compare that number + the $14.5 million to what Gurley got and let me know how that math adds up.

Fans are too emotional and think everything is a slight. Why is he a bad teammate for holding out? Maybe he should have just told them but maybe he was advised not to? GMs and agents know this is a business and the guy did what he had to do to protect himself. A bunch of teams will be interested in his services, and some will offer him a contract. He will get more than enough money.



He was already offered $70 million with $35 million guaranteed.

I’m not sure where you’re getting $35 M guaranteed when it was reported everywhere and discussed on this site a million times that the guaranteed money was only really $10M, which is a joke.
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He was not offered $35m guaranteed  
UConn4523 : 11/11/2018 7:54 am : link
It was $10m guaranteed and was frontloaded over the first 2 years. He was right for declining that. Guarded got 4.5x the guaranteed money and he wasn’t even a FA when signing it, that was a team friendly deal.
I thought he needed to show or his year resets back?  
George from PA : 11/11/2018 8:04 am : link
Why is his year counting?
It's not always just about money  
Jesse B : 11/11/2018 8:05 am : link
Bell will likely get more guaranteed money
With the way he did this, but maybe its simply about pride. At some point he may no longer have wanted to play for the Steelers regardless of whether or not they'd pay him more. He might just feel disrespected and doesn't wanna put his buddy on the line for them anymore.
Can understand him not signing the franchise tag  
Doomster : 11/11/2018 8:13 am : link
So he loses 14M.....think he would come back for 7/16's of that and risk an injury?

Chances are, he gets more than double that in guaranteed money, next year......
RE: Steelers can't franchise tag him  
Gman11 : 11/11/2018 8:17 am : link
In comment 14171509 shyster said:
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He's not going to play because he doesn't want to risk injury until he has a lot of guaranteed money.


He would have to live on the paltry 15 million? Oh, the humanity!
I think there is an agreement that he doesn’t show  
SomeFan : 11/11/2018 8:44 am : link
and Steelers won’t tag him for next year
RE: I thought he needed to show or his year resets back?  
UConn4523 : 11/11/2018 8:47 am : link
In comment 14171598 George from PA said:
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Why is his year counting?


The year counts in regards to the price of the tag. So he gave up his ability to be a RFA but he holds the cards since the Steelers would have to earmark a fuckton just to try and trade him.
Here comes the collusion  
Carl in CT : 11/11/2018 8:47 am : link
Watch (since there is a lot of rumored drug problems) and failed test already he might have a problem getting the money he thinks he is going to get. Also bailing on this team will hurt his negotiations. If I’m a GM I’m not siging this player.
If they tagged him again that is  
UConn4523 : 11/11/2018 8:47 am : link
And at that point he’d probably sign because it would be QB money.
RE: RE: Steelers can't franchise tag him  
UConn4523 : 11/11/2018 9:02 am : link
In comment 14171609 Gman11 said:
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He's not going to play because he doesn't want to risk injury until he has a lot of guaranteed money.



He would have to live on the paltry 15 million? Oh, the humanity!


So you don’t support trying to double or triple that?
First of all he's been getting terrible advice  
MetsAreBack : 11/11/2018 9:12 am : link
..but my hunch says this news report is part of a negotiation to get the Steelers to give him something additional in exchange for Bell reporting on Tuesday. Connor got a concussion on Thursday and Buck/Aikman on Thursday night said Steelers want to ease his workload moving forward...

so this might be about somehow getting more money (unlikely, but i guess worth a shot)... or it might be about getting assurances that he's not going to have to carry a 30 touches weekly workload moving forward.

He's been in Pittsburgh for a week now after leaving Miami early last week. Seems like he wants to report, and yeah, there's injury risk but he's also leaving a lot of $$$ on the table... and Connor's emergence means they shouldnt have to rely on him so much once he's back.
MAB  
UConn4523 : 11/11/2018 9:15 am : link
he cannot get anything additional from the Steelers or anyone else until after the season. Everything this in place cannot be touched.
Bell  
Mike in NY : 11/11/2018 9:18 am : link
Knows that if he plays, the Steelers will run him into the ground. Probably leverage to limit his touches if he is going to play this year.
The Steelers reportedly  
Jay on the Island : 11/11/2018 10:17 am : link
didn't want him to report. They are done with him and they would rescind the tag but they fear that he would sign with NE or another contender so their hope was that he wouldn't show up and be ineligible to play this season.
RE: Bell  
kelsto811 : 11/11/2018 10:36 am : link
In comment 14171663 Mike in NY said:
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Knows that if he plays, the Steelers will run him into the ground. Probably leverage to limit his touches if he is going to play this year.


I don't know about that but even if that were true, then what's stopping Bell from faking an injury?

And with the things that have been said by Steelers coaches and players, if he were to show up, that may be a lockerroom headache type situation. They are a half game or 1 full game in front of the Bengals who are playing pretty well and that's clearly not a good time for something like that to pop up.
Regardless of the potential logic or CBA rules behind this decision...  
jamison884 : 11/11/2018 11:09 am : link
and perhaps even the fact he MAY end up earning more by the end of his career based on this decision, when he ultimately retires, I must admit he's now absolutely my most disliked player in the entire league. I will smile if this shit show doesn't work out in his favor a few years from now.

He completely alienated and disrespected his team, was extremely selfish and egotistical, and just in general came off as an entitled asshole publicly.

As most of you guys know, there's an unwritten rule in the NFL among the players which is generally followed, almost universally: teammates and players in general don't talk about the contracts and business decisions made by other players, particularly teammates. In other words, if you or another player can get that money, get that money and you generally won't be judged in public by your peers on how you got that money or how much it may have been over what some perceive as the appropriate contract value.

The fact so many of his teammates (and his OL in particular) broke this rule and called him out during the first quarter of the season reinforces my opinion that this dude is an absolute asshole and me-first player versus a true team player looking to win championships.

If I were an NFL owner/GM/coach/player and Bell is a free agent, I wouldn't allow him near my locker room after this whole situation. He's proven to the entire league and its fan base that he can easily be a cancer within the locker room and a distraction for your entire team over the course of one or more seasons.

I Google'd his agent, and it looks like he may simply have shit representatives in general. This quote is from a 2017 article, so it's dated, but when they use Bell as the leading player they represent, followed by Tyrod Taylor of all players, it's unlikely they're a big time agency.

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Bakari and longtime partner Jeff Whitney, 47, who serves as the company’s president, currently represent 43 professional football players, including Pittsburgh Steelers running back Le’Veon Bell, Buffalo Bills quarterback Tyrod Taylor and New York Jets running back Matt Forte.


What a joke this whole deal has been. I'm on the Steelers side on this one.
He will never make up all the money he lost this year  
ZogZerg : 11/11/2018 11:17 am : link
His choice. Hey will probably regret this in a few years.
I will laugh if Steelers go on to win the SB without him.

His big mistake was letting Conner prove that it's more the Steelers Offense then the actual RB. But then again, GMs are pretty stupid in the NFL, so one will probably over pay him next year.
One other thought on this topic  
jamison884 : 11/11/2018 11:23 am : link
If his primary concern was getting injured and/or abused by playing this year without a long term guaranteed contract, why wouldn't he just accept the franchise tag and then dedicate a significant portion of his salary to an insurance policy?

Given injury insurance policies are a thing, I'm sure there's an underwriter out there who would have been willing to write a multi-million dollar premium policy to cover his projected future earnings, with specific language for top RB/top offensive player (excluding QB's) money for a free agency deal after the 2018 season, plus a prorated amount of a potential second contract under free agency.

If he was truly concerned just about injury this year and getting his huge ass contract next year, seriously enough to the point he was willing to hold out on a $14.5m contract for the entire year, surely there was an option to go with the insurance route?

I haven't seen that mentioned in articles on the issue, but it's just an uninformed guess/thought.
Good for  
King Quis : 11/11/2018 11:25 am : link
Him. At some point there has to be a provision in place for these franchises to shit or get off the pot. If you knew you wasn’t gonna pay him you should’ve moved on from him (I’m sure the Jets would’ve been interested). Instead you lose him for nothing.
RE: RE: Steelers can't franchise tag him  
longlive#10 : 11/11/2018 4:05 pm : link
In comment 14171609 Gman11 said:
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He's not going to play because he doesn't want to risk injury until he has a lot of guaranteed money.



He would have to live on the paltry 15 million? Oh, the humanity!


Never fails.

And people wonder why they're not rich. You wouldn't know what to do with the opportunity.

Btw if you ever decide to sell your house Im gonna offer 25% of its value, and I'm gonna say "that's still a lot of money, you should be thankful!"

Honestly what's the difference between 100 mil and 15 mil? Pfff I only make $10 an hour so Leveon should take my feelings into account and take whatever offer is given to him.. I mean really, it's not like he generates that much more revenue for his company than I do greeting customers at wal-mart.

The audacity of this senseless business world where everyone is just paid arbitrarily based on a figure pulled out of a hat. My emotions do not approve!!!
RE: He will never make up all the money he lost this year  
UConn4523 : 11/11/2018 4:19 pm : link
In comment 14171762 ZogZerg said:
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His choice. Hey will probably regret this in a few years.
I will laugh if Steelers go on to win the SB without him.

His big mistake was letting Conner prove that it's more the Steelers Offense then the actual RB. But then again, GMs are pretty stupid in the NFL, so one will probably over pay him next year.


So he won’t get $14.5 million guaranteed for the rest of his career?
RE: RE: He will never make up all the money he lost this year  
kelsto811 : 11/11/2018 4:58 pm : link
In comment 14172088 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 14171762 ZogZerg said:


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His choice. Hey will probably regret this in a few years.
I will laugh if Steelers go on to win the SB without him.

His big mistake was letting Conner prove that it's more the Steelers Offense then the actual RB. But then again, GMs are pretty stupid in the NFL, so one will probably over pay him next year.



So he won’t get $14.5 million guaranteed for the rest of his career?


It depends how you look at it. In theory, whatever money he makes moving forward would have been in addition to the 14.5 mil this year pending injury.

Alternatively you could say he potentially could have been injured and not had the subsequent years money. Or try to justify how much more he ends up making due to the year worth of wear and tear off his body.
There’s only 1 way to look at it  
UConn4523 : 11/11/2018 5:06 pm : link
and that’s that due to his age and volume 1 but could have ended his potential at the big guaranteed money. If he’s still going to make up that $14.5 million by sitting out for the year than it was a smart play. Unless you think he’s only going to get slightly more than that guaranteed than what he did was a smart business decision.

We will see how it goes but there will be tons of teams with cap room who would like to take it to the next level on offense. Jets could easily front load it and cut him after year 2 if it didn’t work out, for example.
Why not just play for the tag  
Knineteen : 11/11/2018 11:21 pm : link
and feign injury?

27 years old with 5 years of wear and tear at RB. Do we really believe someone will shell out premium money for him? Enough to makeup for the $14 mil lost?
RE: I haven't been following this too much  
chopperhatch : 11/12/2018 1:19 am : link
In comment 14171506 kelsto811 said:
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I still remember being in awe earlier this year when I read the highest paid RB in this league right now is JERRICK MCKINNON.


Yep. And yet dep would have you believe that Solder's deal is THE WORST CONTRACT IN NFL HISTORY. Lol, what a dumb statement that he defended vigorously.
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