then that will surely be his top choice. The Jets are an interesting landing spot too. They have their young QB plus some very good young talent on defense. They need to rebuild that offense and add a pass rusher but they aren't in terrible shape.
If you go back to the last time they did this in 2007, they fired Billick one year after they went 13-3 and lost their QB to injury during the season.
Ravens thought it was time. They found Harbaugh and he's given them 11 good years of work. They've only had 2 coaches in the last 20 years.
Harbaugh is still a very good coach. But this likely is more organization philosophy to move on now before they end up likely doing it next year anyway. Why prolong something you think should be over?
I forgot about Cleveland, that would be the most attractive opening after Green Bay. Cleveland is set up well for the future as Mayfield is looking like a franchise guy. Myles Garrett, Denzel Ward, Nick Chubb, Larry Ogunjobi, Ogbah, David Njoku, Antonio Callaway, and Jarvis Landry is a good young core.
He was a Special Teams coach who was not on many teams radar when he was hired.
If you told the fan base of a team we are hiring a man who has no experience as an offensive or defensive coordinator, or no previous head coaching experience, how do you think that would be received?
The Ravens had big personalities on its roster (Lewis, Reed, Suggs, Scott), mainly on defense. Not easy to do as a first timer who's never been a head coach and earn the respect of the team that has had success.
He delegates authority with the offense and defense and it has worked for him rather than be known as an "offensive" or "defensive" coach. Probably should have had 2 Super Bowl appearances instead of 1 after what happened in that Patriots game in 2011.
An argument can be made that if he applied for a first time HC job today with the resume he had coming into the Ravens job, he wouldn't be hired based on owners preferring "offense."
He is a coaching success story. Whatever happens, he showed that good coaches can come from anywhere if you are open to listening, having an open mind, and not having certain preferences before going into the process.
Interesting thought, but cannot see Mara and DG having the balls for that type of move. Think Harbaugh is winner and would be a perfect fit here as we continue to rebuild.
Interesting thought, but cannot see Mara and DG having the balls for that type of move. Think Harbaugh is winner and would be a perfect fit here as we continue to rebuild.
It wouldn't be balls. It would be stupidity. Right now Giants fans are the equivalent to children running around flopping their arms and running into walls. Fire him! Dump him! Hire him!
I would go after him ASAP. Harbaugh is a really good coach. It just went stale for him in Baltimore. It happens. He would be a clear upgrade over Shurmur.
Interesting thought, but cannot see Mara and DG having the balls for that type of move. Think Harbaugh is winner and would be a perfect fit here as we continue to rebuild.
You have two options with Shurmur:
1. Based on his perceptions of players going into the season and the reality that came about, on top his own in-game decision making, which can be best described as "questionable" this season, you determine in advance that he is not the guy and you cut your losses before it becomes obvious and you end up doing the inevitable.
2. You give him 3 full years and see what happens. If you are conceding you are going to stink in 2019, why would you fire him after next season? It would make no sense.
You can make a case for either.
RE: RE: I think that Shurmur deserves another year Â
Everyone advocating for keeping Shurmur is doing it only by saying “he deserves another year”, that isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement or conviction in him. I’d be more inclined to have this view if he didn’t fail in Cleveland & if he didn’t look worse than McAdoo did last year in running the offense.
Most importantly though, the number of good head coaches is as low as it has ever been. Just look at the HC’s hired since 2014, the majority of them have already been fired. A guy like Harbaugh doesn’t come on the market often & he is a true CEO of a football team.
Level headed knows the game commands respect
relatively young mostly a winner .
My guess he will be highly sought after .
Maybe Shurmur needs more time considering what
inherited he hasn't shown exactly how good a leader he is
or is his system good enough his track record is poor .
if there was a choice its a no brainer to me .
Everyone advocating for keeping Shurmur is doing it only by saying “he deserves another year”, that isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement or conviction in him. I’d be more inclined to have this view if he didn’t fail in Cleveland & if he didn’t look worse than McAdoo did last year in running the offense.
Most importantly though, the number of good head coaches is as low as it has ever been. Just look at the HC’s hired since 2014, the majority of them have already been fired. A guy like Harbaugh doesn’t come on the market often & he is a true CEO of a football team.
44-45 since Super Bowl 47. One playoff appearance. Hires hacks like Marc Trestman and Marty Mornhinwig as OC. Defense has been overrated since Lewis and Reed left. Hell NO on Harbs
it's probably best to start fresh with a new coach, too. If we suck next year, which is likely, we'll probably fire Shurmur anyway, and the QB will have to learn a new offense in year two. Not ideal. Jets are in that boat with Bowles right now.
it's probably best to start fresh with a new coach, too. If we suck next year, which is likely, we'll probably fire Shurmur anyway, and the QB will have to learn a new offense in year two. Not ideal. Jets are in that boat with Bowles right now.
I feel this way EXACTLY. This is correct logic.
DG/PS represented a plan which involved a 2-3 year window with Eli. That has blown up in smoke.
it's probably best to start fresh with a new coach, too. If we suck next year, which is likely, we'll probably fire Shurmur anyway, and the QB will have to learn a new offense in year two. Not ideal. Jets are in that boat with Bowles right now.
The problem with this is the draft comes after you'd hire a new coaching staff. So unless we have the #1 pick and are completely sold on the QB that's there, this wouldn't make sense to do.
I think Shurmur is in a really shitty position. I'm indifferent on him staying but the guy was either forced to give it a go with Eli or signed up for it thinking he (and the line) would be a lot better.
To come and rescue your struggling corporation, , are you really suggesting he should be relieved of his responsibilities based on less than a full year in that role.
As a rule fans lack objectivity and make irrational statements about their team. But even by those standards the call for firing Shurmur after one season is absurd.
all logic suggesting otherwise, my gut keeps telling me that Shurmur can turn this around.
Great post.
Go back to your cave. Or just stay in Hoboken. Basically the same thing.
The results aren't good this year, but he's working with a shitty hand. I like the way he carries himself, his actions so far and he isn't staying stagnant despite the team struggling. We'll see, but I think pulling the plug after one year is a mistake.
But as I said, that's mostly my gut. I certainly can see why people don't like him.
To come and rescue your struggling corporation, , are you really suggesting he should be relieved of his responsibilities based on less than a full year in that role.
As a rule fans lack objectivity and make irrational statements about their team. But even by those standards the call for firing Shurmur after one season is absurd.
If the Giants go 1-15, you’re bringing Shurmur back?
They routinely run a garbage offense, Unimaginative and conservative. Defenses are always good but crap offenses. We need someone who can manufacture a supercharged O.
Everyone advocating for keeping Shurmur is doing it only by saying “he deserves another year”, that isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement or conviction in him. I’d be more inclined to have this view if he didn’t fail in Cleveland & if he didn’t look worse than McAdoo did last year in running the offense.
Most importantly though, the number of good head coaches is as low as it has ever been. Just look at the HC’s hired since 2014, the majority of them have already been fired. A guy like Harbaugh doesn’t come on the market often & he is a true CEO of a football team.
. Harbaugh is an overrated pompous jerk. Since Super Bowl 47 he is 44-45. One playoff appearance. His coaches don’t get head coaching gigs. He is awful managing the clock, timeouts and replays. He is not well thought of by Raven fans. Why do you want a coach that has not had success since Ray Lewis and Ed Reed retired.
The guy managed to win a SB with Flacco for fuck's sake.
The only reason to retain Shurmur would be 'because it's not all his fault'. Doesn't seem like a great reason to not upgrade anyone on a team, let alone the coach.
I have been waiting for this. I think Jackson may be the most talented of the rookie QBs. For me, it's him or Mayfield. Mayfield's issues were all relatedd to his attitude. Jackson's, his size.
Was ever let go after this season and harbaugh was brought in, the comments on this thread and on other threads would be exactly the same. Just replace shurmurs name with harbaugh.
As far as mcadoo being better than shurmur. In what area? Mcadoo repeatedly called out players in the media while he coddled others. Shurmur does not call out any players publicly.
Mcadoo could not handle the media. Shurmur handles them a lot better
We can at least move the ball under shurmur to give the defense a breather from time to time. Mcadoo was consistently 3 and out.
Shurmur is not afraid to make changes. The only thing mcadoo ever changed was his hairdo.
Was ever let go after this season and harbaugh was brought in, the comments on this thread and on other threads would be exactly the same. Just replace shurmurs name with harbaugh.
As far as mcadoo being better than shurmur. In what area? Mcadoo repeatedly called out players in the media while he coddled others. Shurmur does not call out any players publicly.
Mcadoo could not handle the media. Shurmur handles them a lot better
We can at least move the ball under shurmur to give the defense a breather from time to time. Mcadoo was consistently 3 and out.
Shurmur is not afraid to make changes. The only thing mcadoo ever changed was his hairdo.
Mcadoo was way over his head
In a season and 2/3 Mcadoo has more wins than PS has in 4+ years of coaching. Mcadoo also has more seasons with a winning record than PS.
His 2 years as OC here were fantastic, Admittedly his final year was awful, but I believe this year to be worse and the whole staff was changed, and I had some hope things would turn around.
Mcadoo was Saddled with the worse D coordinator in football, the worse Special teams coordinator in football and an OC who never ran the WCO. How did you expect him to succeed?
As for changes, he wanted Eli out. Something I see posted every day here THIS year as something that should happen.
I think PS might be a Norv Turner type. Great OC, but not head coaching material.
Was ever let go after this season and harbaugh was brought in, the comments on this thread and on other threads would be exactly the same. Just replace shurmurs name with harbaugh.
As far as mcadoo being better than shurmur. In what area? Mcadoo repeatedly called out players in the media while he coddled others. Shurmur does not call out any players publicly.
Mcadoo could not handle the media. Shurmur handles them a lot better
We can at least move the ball under shurmur to give the defense a breather from time to time. Mcadoo was consistently 3 and out.
Shurmur is not afraid to make changes. The only thing mcadoo ever changed was his hairdo.
Mcadoo was way over his head
In a season and 2/3 Mcadoo has more wins than PS has in 4+ years of coaching. Mcadoo also has more seasons with a winning record than PS.
His 2 years as OC here were fantastic, Admittedly his final year was awful, but I believe this year to be worse and the whole staff was changed, and I had some hope things would turn around.
Mcadoo was Saddled with the worse D coordinator in football, the worse Special teams coordinator in football and an OC who never ran the WCO. How did you expect him to succeed?
As for changes, he wanted Eli out. Something I see posted every day here THIS year as something that should happen.
I think PS might be a Norv Turner type. Great OC, but not head coaching material.
Wow, there is so much wrong with everything you said.
Where do you even get shurmur and 4+ years of coaching. He coached 2 years in cleveland and this is his first year here. Mcadoo has more wins not because of his offensive prowess, but because of what you deemed as the worse defensive coordinator in football. More winning seasons? Again 2 years for each coach, that's hardly a statement. Mcadoo called his own plays, and he promoted Mike Sullivan to offensive coordinator. He wasn't saddled with anything.
Shurmur got more out of the likes of weeden and McCoy as a head coach than mcadoo could ever dream.
Shurmur and Gettleman just got in the door and have only begun to rebuild this roster from what Reese destroyed in 6 years of bad drafting.
This year is bad, but at least they are making changes and building something instead of mcadoo constantly trotting out the same garbage week after week with nothing changing!!
Ditching shurmur for Belichick, Parcells, or Gibbs...sure. Harbaugh isn't in that class. He isn't even a schottenheimer or Reid. He's likely missing the playoffs for the 5th time out of the last 6. I don't think he can come and get a big turnaround. Let the browns take that risk
Was ever let go after this season and harbaugh was brought in, the comments on this thread and on other threads would be exactly the same. Just replace shurmurs name with harbaugh.
As far as mcadoo being better than shurmur. In what area? Mcadoo repeatedly called out players in the media while he coddled others. Shurmur does not call out any players publicly.
Mcadoo could not handle the media. Shurmur handles them a lot better
We can at least move the ball under shurmur to give the defense a breather from time to time. Mcadoo was consistently 3 and out.
Shurmur is not afraid to make changes. The only thing mcadoo ever changed was his hairdo.
Mcadoo was way over his head
In a season and 2/3 Mcadoo has more wins than PS has in 4+ years of coaching. Mcadoo also has more seasons with a winning record than PS.
His 2 years as OC here were fantastic, Admittedly his final year was awful, but I believe this year to be worse and the whole staff was changed, and I had some hope things would turn around.
Mcadoo was Saddled with the worse D coordinator in football, the worse Special teams coordinator in football and an OC who never ran the WCO. How did you expect him to succeed?
As for changes, he wanted Eli out. Something I see posted every day here THIS year as something that should happen.
I think PS might be a Norv Turner type. Great OC, but not head coaching material.
Wow, there is so much wrong with everything you said.
Where do you even get shurmur and 4+ years of coaching. He coached 2 years in cleveland and this is his first year here. Mcadoo has more wins not because of his offensive prowess, but because of what you deemed as the worse defensive coordinator in football. More winning seasons? Again 2 years for each coach, that's hardly a statement. Mcadoo called his own plays, and he promoted Mike Sullivan to offensive coordinator. He wasn't saddled with anything.
Shurmur got more out of the likes of weeden and McCoy as a head coach than mcadoo could ever dream.
Shurmur and Gettleman just got in the door and have only begun to rebuild this roster from what Reese destroyed in 6 years of bad drafting.
This year is bad, but at least they are making changes and building something instead of mcadoo constantly trotting out the same garbage week after week with nothing changing!!
OK sure 2+ years, you're right I count each team he has coached for, and din't really factor in the full season thing.
Do you really think he promoted Sullivan or it was done for him? When was the last Head Coach who didn't replace 2 of 3 coordinators (who were both garbage) and promoted an internal candidate for the last....I'll wait.
He never stood a chance. The whole DG and PS are just starting this is nonsense too. If we all know Reese was a problem, then he was a problem for Mac also.
PS calls his own plays too, not sure I see your point. I mean I know he is calling these world beater plays that Mac wasn't , but..oh wait there is no but.
Mac never coached McCoy or Weeden. If you mean he can't coach a QB up, let me know where he got that chance. Since I can't think of one. I'll just reserve judgement on that one.
Ravens thought it was time. They found Harbaugh and he's given them 11 good years of work. They've only had 2 coaches in the last 20 years.
Harbaugh is still a very good coach. But this likely is more organization philosophy to move on now before they end up likely doing it next year anyway. Why prolong something you think should be over?
I forgot about Cleveland, that would be the most attractive opening after Green Bay. Cleveland is set up well for the future as Mayfield is looking like a franchise guy. Myles Garrett, Denzel Ward, Nick Chubb, Larry Ogunjobi, Ogbah, David Njoku, Antonio Callaway, and Jarvis Landry is a good young core.
He was a Special Teams coach who was not on many teams radar when he was hired.
If you told the fan base of a team we are hiring a man who has no experience as an offensive or defensive coordinator, or no previous head coaching experience, how do you think that would be received?
The Ravens had big personalities on its roster (Lewis, Reed, Suggs, Scott), mainly on defense. Not easy to do as a first timer who's never been a head coach and earn the respect of the team that has had success.
He delegates authority with the offense and defense and it has worked for him rather than be known as an "offensive" or "defensive" coach. Probably should have had 2 Super Bowl appearances instead of 1 after what happened in that Patriots game in 2011.
An argument can be made that if he applied for a first time HC job today with the resume he had coming into the Ravens job, he wouldn't be hired based on owners preferring "offense."
He is a coaching success story. Whatever happens, he showed that good coaches can come from anywhere if you are open to listening, having an open mind, and not having certain preferences before going into the process.
If you think the team looks incompetent now, imaging how they would look firing their head coach two years in a row.
This ‘Fire Shurmur’ talk is ridiculous.
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Interesting thought, but cannot see Mara and DG having the balls for that type of move. Think Harbaugh is winner and would be a perfect fit here as we continue to rebuild.
It wouldn't be balls. It would be stupidity. Right now Giants fans are the equivalent to children running around flopping their arms and running into walls. Fire him! Dump him! Hire him!
What has he done to deserve another year?
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Interesting thought, but cannot see Mara and DG having the balls for that type of move. Think Harbaugh is winner and would be a perfect fit here as we continue to rebuild.
You have two options with Shurmur:
1. Based on his perceptions of players going into the season and the reality that came about, on top his own in-game decision making, which can be best described as "questionable" this season, you determine in advance that he is not the guy and you cut your losses before it becomes obvious and you end up doing the inevitable.
2. You give him 3 full years and see what happens. If you are conceding you are going to stink in 2019, why would you fire him after next season? It would make no sense.
You can make a case for either.
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but if they can get Harbaugh then it is a no brainer IMO. Harbaugh is a great coach and he would help change the culture here.
What has he done to deserve another year?
What has he done that deserves a firing?
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but if they can get Harbaugh then it is a no brainer IMO. Harbaugh is a great coach and he would help change the culture here.
What has he done to deserve another year?
What has he done that deserves a firing?
Is that a joke?
Most importantly though, the number of good head coaches is as low as it has ever been. Just look at the HC’s hired since 2014, the majority of them have already been fired. A guy like Harbaugh doesn’t come on the market often & he is a true CEO of a football team.
relatively young mostly a winner .
My guess he will be highly sought after .
Maybe Shurmur needs more time considering what
inherited he hasn't shown exactly how good a leader he is
or is his system good enough his track record is poor .
if there was a choice its a no brainer to me .
Most importantly though, the number of good head coaches is as low as it has ever been. Just look at the HC’s hired since 2014, the majority of them have already been fired. A guy like Harbaugh doesn’t come on the market often & he is a true CEO of a football team.
This.
Cleveland seems to be the most likely destination for him.
Even if Shurmur is not a great coach I think he needs at least one more year, after another DG draft, to turn it around.
The ones who need to be fired are Hal Hunter and Shula.
Great post.
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but if they can get Harbaugh then it is a no brainer IMO. Harbaugh is a great coach and he would help change the culture here.
What has he done to deserve another year?
What has he done that deserves a firing?
Is that a joke?
Not a joke at all. Actually, the joke is you’ve provided zero logic on this topic at all.
Its "C" for coach
I feel this way EXACTLY. This is correct logic.
DG/PS represented a plan which involved a 2-3 year window with Eli. That has blown up in smoke.
The problem with this is the draft comes after you'd hire a new coaching staff. So unless we have the #1 pick and are completely sold on the QB that's there, this wouldn't make sense to do.
I think Shurmur is in a really shitty position. I'm indifferent on him staying but the guy was either forced to give it a go with Eli or signed up for it thinking he (and the line) would be a lot better.
As a rule fans lack objectivity and make irrational statements about their team. But even by those standards the call for firing Shurmur after one season is absurd.
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all logic suggesting otherwise, my gut keeps telling me that Shurmur can turn this around.
Great post.
Go back to your cave. Or just stay in Hoboken. Basically the same thing.
The results aren't good this year, but he's working with a shitty hand. I like the way he carries himself, his actions so far and he isn't staying stagnant despite the team struggling. We'll see, but I think pulling the plug after one year is a mistake.
But as I said, that's mostly my gut. I certainly can see why people don't like him.
As a rule fans lack objectivity and make irrational statements about their team. But even by those standards the call for firing Shurmur after one season is absurd.
If the Giants go 1-15, you’re bringing Shurmur back?
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Browns...
Jets
Most importantly though, the number of good head coaches is as low as it has ever been. Just look at the HC’s hired since 2014, the majority of them have already been fired. A guy like Harbaugh doesn’t come on the market often & he is a true CEO of a football team.
The only reason to retain Shurmur would be 'because it's not all his fault'. Doesn't seem like a great reason to not upgrade anyone on a team, let alone the coach.
As far as mcadoo being better than shurmur. In what area? Mcadoo repeatedly called out players in the media while he coddled others. Shurmur does not call out any players publicly.
Mcadoo could not handle the media. Shurmur handles them a lot better
We can at least move the ball under shurmur to give the defense a breather from time to time. Mcadoo was consistently 3 and out.
Shurmur is not afraid to make changes. The only thing mcadoo ever changed was his hairdo.
Mcadoo was way over his head
As far as mcadoo being better than shurmur. In what area? Mcadoo repeatedly called out players in the media while he coddled others. Shurmur does not call out any players publicly.
Mcadoo could not handle the media. Shurmur handles them a lot better
We can at least move the ball under shurmur to give the defense a breather from time to time. Mcadoo was consistently 3 and out.
Shurmur is not afraid to make changes. The only thing mcadoo ever changed was his hairdo.
Mcadoo was way over his head
In a season and 2/3 Mcadoo has more wins than PS has in 4+ years of coaching. Mcadoo also has more seasons with a winning record than PS.
His 2 years as OC here were fantastic, Admittedly his final year was awful, but I believe this year to be worse and the whole staff was changed, and I had some hope things would turn around.
Mcadoo was Saddled with the worse D coordinator in football, the worse Special teams coordinator in football and an OC who never ran the WCO. How did you expect him to succeed?
As for changes, he wanted Eli out. Something I see posted every day here THIS year as something that should happen.
I think PS might be a Norv Turner type. Great OC, but not head coaching material.
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Was ever let go after this season and harbaugh was brought in, the comments on this thread and on other threads would be exactly the same. Just replace shurmurs name with harbaugh.
As far as mcadoo being better than shurmur. In what area? Mcadoo repeatedly called out players in the media while he coddled others. Shurmur does not call out any players publicly.
Mcadoo could not handle the media. Shurmur handles them a lot better
We can at least move the ball under shurmur to give the defense a breather from time to time. Mcadoo was consistently 3 and out.
Shurmur is not afraid to make changes. The only thing mcadoo ever changed was his hairdo.
Mcadoo was way over his head
In a season and 2/3 Mcadoo has more wins than PS has in 4+ years of coaching. Mcadoo also has more seasons with a winning record than PS.
His 2 years as OC here were fantastic, Admittedly his final year was awful, but I believe this year to be worse and the whole staff was changed, and I had some hope things would turn around.
Mcadoo was Saddled with the worse D coordinator in football, the worse Special teams coordinator in football and an OC who never ran the WCO. How did you expect him to succeed?
As for changes, he wanted Eli out. Something I see posted every day here THIS year as something that should happen.
I think PS might be a Norv Turner type. Great OC, but not head coaching material.
Wow, there is so much wrong with everything you said.
Where do you even get shurmur and 4+ years of coaching. He coached 2 years in cleveland and this is his first year here. Mcadoo has more wins not because of his offensive prowess, but because of what you deemed as the worse defensive coordinator in football. More winning seasons? Again 2 years for each coach, that's hardly a statement. Mcadoo called his own plays, and he promoted Mike Sullivan to offensive coordinator. He wasn't saddled with anything.
Shurmur got more out of the likes of weeden and McCoy as a head coach than mcadoo could ever dream.
Shurmur and Gettleman just got in the door and have only begun to rebuild this roster from what Reese destroyed in 6 years of bad drafting.
This year is bad, but at least they are making changes and building something instead of mcadoo constantly trotting out the same garbage week after week with nothing changing!!
Which coach isn't a pompous jerk? If a coach wasn't that, I would be very concerned.
Change of scenery could be a remedy, but the guy may just need a break.
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Was ever let go after this season and harbaugh was brought in, the comments on this thread and on other threads would be exactly the same. Just replace shurmurs name with harbaugh.
As far as mcadoo being better than shurmur. In what area? Mcadoo repeatedly called out players in the media while he coddled others. Shurmur does not call out any players publicly.
Mcadoo could not handle the media. Shurmur handles them a lot better
We can at least move the ball under shurmur to give the defense a breather from time to time. Mcadoo was consistently 3 and out.
Shurmur is not afraid to make changes. The only thing mcadoo ever changed was his hairdo.
Mcadoo was way over his head
In a season and 2/3 Mcadoo has more wins than PS has in 4+ years of coaching. Mcadoo also has more seasons with a winning record than PS.
His 2 years as OC here were fantastic, Admittedly his final year was awful, but I believe this year to be worse and the whole staff was changed, and I had some hope things would turn around.
Mcadoo was Saddled with the worse D coordinator in football, the worse Special teams coordinator in football and an OC who never ran the WCO. How did you expect him to succeed?
As for changes, he wanted Eli out. Something I see posted every day here THIS year as something that should happen.
I think PS might be a Norv Turner type. Great OC, but not head coaching material.
Wow, there is so much wrong with everything you said.
Where do you even get shurmur and 4+ years of coaching. He coached 2 years in cleveland and this is his first year here. Mcadoo has more wins not because of his offensive prowess, but because of what you deemed as the worse defensive coordinator in football. More winning seasons? Again 2 years for each coach, that's hardly a statement. Mcadoo called his own plays, and he promoted Mike Sullivan to offensive coordinator. He wasn't saddled with anything.
Shurmur got more out of the likes of weeden and McCoy as a head coach than mcadoo could ever dream.
Shurmur and Gettleman just got in the door and have only begun to rebuild this roster from what Reese destroyed in 6 years of bad drafting.
This year is bad, but at least they are making changes and building something instead of mcadoo constantly trotting out the same garbage week after week with nothing changing!!
OK sure 2+ years, you're right I count each team he has coached for, and din't really factor in the full season thing.
Do you really think he promoted Sullivan or it was done for him? When was the last Head Coach who didn't replace 2 of 3 coordinators (who were both garbage) and promoted an internal candidate for the last....I'll wait.
He never stood a chance. The whole DG and PS are just starting this is nonsense too. If we all know Reese was a problem, then he was a problem for Mac also.
PS calls his own plays too, not sure I see your point. I mean I know he is calling these world beater plays that Mac wasn't , but..oh wait there is no but.
Mac never coached McCoy or Weeden. If you mean he can't coach a QB up, let me know where he got that chance. Since I can't think of one. I'll just reserve judgement on that one.