it's probably best to start fresh with a new coach, too. If we suck next year, which is likely, we'll probably fire Shurmur anyway, and the QB will have to learn a new offense in year two. Not ideal. Jets are in that boat with Bowles right now.
I feel this way EXACTLY. This is correct logic.
DG/PS represented a plan which involved a 2-3 year window with Eli. That has blown up in smoke.
it's probably best to start fresh with a new coach, too. If we suck next year, which is likely, we'll probably fire Shurmur anyway, and the QB will have to learn a new offense in year two. Not ideal. Jets are in that boat with Bowles right now.
The problem with this is the draft comes after you'd hire a new coaching staff. So unless we have the #1 pick and are completely sold on the QB that's there, this wouldn't make sense to do.
I think Shurmur is in a really shitty position. I'm indifferent on him staying but the guy was either forced to give it a go with Eli or signed up for it thinking he (and the line) would be a lot better.
To come and rescue your struggling corporation, , are you really suggesting he should be relieved of his responsibilities based on less than a full year in that role.
As a rule fans lack objectivity and make irrational statements about their team. But even by those standards the call for firing Shurmur after one season is absurd.
all logic suggesting otherwise, my gut keeps telling me that Shurmur can turn this around.
Great post.
Go back to your cave. Or just stay in Hoboken. Basically the same thing.
The results aren't good this year, but he's working with a shitty hand. I like the way he carries himself, his actions so far and he isn't staying stagnant despite the team struggling. We'll see, but I think pulling the plug after one year is a mistake.
But as I said, that's mostly my gut. I certainly can see why people don't like him.
To come and rescue your struggling corporation, , are you really suggesting he should be relieved of his responsibilities based on less than a full year in that role.
As a rule fans lack objectivity and make irrational statements about their team. But even by those standards the call for firing Shurmur after one season is absurd.
If the Giants go 1-15, you’re bringing Shurmur back?
They routinely run a garbage offense, Unimaginative and conservative. Defenses are always good but crap offenses. We need someone who can manufacture a supercharged O.
Everyone advocating for keeping Shurmur is doing it only by saying “he deserves another year”, that isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement or conviction in him. I’d be more inclined to have this view if he didn’t fail in Cleveland & if he didn’t look worse than McAdoo did last year in running the offense.
Most importantly though, the number of good head coaches is as low as it has ever been. Just look at the HC’s hired since 2014, the majority of them have already been fired. A guy like Harbaugh doesn’t come on the market often & he is a true CEO of a football team.
. Harbaugh is an overrated pompous jerk. Since Super Bowl 47 he is 44-45. One playoff appearance. His coaches don’t get head coaching gigs. He is awful managing the clock, timeouts and replays. He is not well thought of by Raven fans. Why do you want a coach that has not had success since Ray Lewis and Ed Reed retired.
The guy managed to win a SB with Flacco for fuck's sake.
The only reason to retain Shurmur would be 'because it's not all his fault'. Doesn't seem like a great reason to not upgrade anyone on a team, let alone the coach.
I have been waiting for this. I think Jackson may be the most talented of the rookie QBs. For me, it's him or Mayfield. Mayfield's issues were all relatedd to his attitude. Jackson's, his size.
Was ever let go after this season and harbaugh was brought in, the comments on this thread and on other threads would be exactly the same. Just replace shurmurs name with harbaugh.
As far as mcadoo being better than shurmur. In what area? Mcadoo repeatedly called out players in the media while he coddled others. Shurmur does not call out any players publicly.
Mcadoo could not handle the media. Shurmur handles them a lot better
We can at least move the ball under shurmur to give the defense a breather from time to time. Mcadoo was consistently 3 and out.
Shurmur is not afraid to make changes. The only thing mcadoo ever changed was his hairdo.
Was ever let go after this season and harbaugh was brought in, the comments on this thread and on other threads would be exactly the same. Just replace shurmurs name with harbaugh.
As far as mcadoo being better than shurmur. In what area? Mcadoo repeatedly called out players in the media while he coddled others. Shurmur does not call out any players publicly.
Mcadoo could not handle the media. Shurmur handles them a lot better
We can at least move the ball under shurmur to give the defense a breather from time to time. Mcadoo was consistently 3 and out.
Shurmur is not afraid to make changes. The only thing mcadoo ever changed was his hairdo.
Mcadoo was way over his head
In a season and 2/3 Mcadoo has more wins than PS has in 4+ years of coaching. Mcadoo also has more seasons with a winning record than PS.
His 2 years as OC here were fantastic, Admittedly his final year was awful, but I believe this year to be worse and the whole staff was changed, and I had some hope things would turn around.
Mcadoo was Saddled with the worse D coordinator in football, the worse Special teams coordinator in football and an OC who never ran the WCO. How did you expect him to succeed?
As for changes, he wanted Eli out. Something I see posted every day here THIS year as something that should happen.
I think PS might be a Norv Turner type. Great OC, but not head coaching material.
Was ever let go after this season and harbaugh was brought in, the comments on this thread and on other threads would be exactly the same. Just replace shurmurs name with harbaugh.
As far as mcadoo being better than shurmur. In what area? Mcadoo repeatedly called out players in the media while he coddled others. Shurmur does not call out any players publicly.
Mcadoo could not handle the media. Shurmur handles them a lot better
We can at least move the ball under shurmur to give the defense a breather from time to time. Mcadoo was consistently 3 and out.
Shurmur is not afraid to make changes. The only thing mcadoo ever changed was his hairdo.
Mcadoo was way over his head
In a season and 2/3 Mcadoo has more wins than PS has in 4+ years of coaching. Mcadoo also has more seasons with a winning record than PS.
His 2 years as OC here were fantastic, Admittedly his final year was awful, but I believe this year to be worse and the whole staff was changed, and I had some hope things would turn around.
Mcadoo was Saddled with the worse D coordinator in football, the worse Special teams coordinator in football and an OC who never ran the WCO. How did you expect him to succeed?
As for changes, he wanted Eli out. Something I see posted every day here THIS year as something that should happen.
I think PS might be a Norv Turner type. Great OC, but not head coaching material.
Wow, there is so much wrong with everything you said.
Where do you even get shurmur and 4+ years of coaching. He coached 2 years in cleveland and this is his first year here. Mcadoo has more wins not because of his offensive prowess, but because of what you deemed as the worse defensive coordinator in football. More winning seasons? Again 2 years for each coach, that's hardly a statement. Mcadoo called his own plays, and he promoted Mike Sullivan to offensive coordinator. He wasn't saddled with anything.
Shurmur got more out of the likes of weeden and McCoy as a head coach than mcadoo could ever dream.
Shurmur and Gettleman just got in the door and have only begun to rebuild this roster from what Reese destroyed in 6 years of bad drafting.
This year is bad, but at least they are making changes and building something instead of mcadoo constantly trotting out the same garbage week after week with nothing changing!!
Ditching shurmur for Belichick, Parcells, or Gibbs...sure. Harbaugh isn't in that class. He isn't even a schottenheimer or Reid. He's likely missing the playoffs for the 5th time out of the last 6. I don't think he can come and get a big turnaround. Let the browns take that risk
Was ever let go after this season and harbaugh was brought in, the comments on this thread and on other threads would be exactly the same. Just replace shurmurs name with harbaugh.
As far as mcadoo being better than shurmur. In what area? Mcadoo repeatedly called out players in the media while he coddled others. Shurmur does not call out any players publicly.
Mcadoo could not handle the media. Shurmur handles them a lot better
We can at least move the ball under shurmur to give the defense a breather from time to time. Mcadoo was consistently 3 and out.
Shurmur is not afraid to make changes. The only thing mcadoo ever changed was his hairdo.
Mcadoo was way over his head
In a season and 2/3 Mcadoo has more wins than PS has in 4+ years of coaching. Mcadoo also has more seasons with a winning record than PS.
His 2 years as OC here were fantastic, Admittedly his final year was awful, but I believe this year to be worse and the whole staff was changed, and I had some hope things would turn around.
Mcadoo was Saddled with the worse D coordinator in football, the worse Special teams coordinator in football and an OC who never ran the WCO. How did you expect him to succeed?
As for changes, he wanted Eli out. Something I see posted every day here THIS year as something that should happen.
I think PS might be a Norv Turner type. Great OC, but not head coaching material.
Wow, there is so much wrong with everything you said.
Where do you even get shurmur and 4+ years of coaching. He coached 2 years in cleveland and this is his first year here. Mcadoo has more wins not because of his offensive prowess, but because of what you deemed as the worse defensive coordinator in football. More winning seasons? Again 2 years for each coach, that's hardly a statement. Mcadoo called his own plays, and he promoted Mike Sullivan to offensive coordinator. He wasn't saddled with anything.
Shurmur got more out of the likes of weeden and McCoy as a head coach than mcadoo could ever dream.
Shurmur and Gettleman just got in the door and have only begun to rebuild this roster from what Reese destroyed in 6 years of bad drafting.
This year is bad, but at least they are making changes and building something instead of mcadoo constantly trotting out the same garbage week after week with nothing changing!!
OK sure 2+ years, you're right I count each team he has coached for, and din't really factor in the full season thing.
Do you really think he promoted Sullivan or it was done for him? When was the last Head Coach who didn't replace 2 of 3 coordinators (who were both garbage) and promoted an internal candidate for the last....I'll wait.
He never stood a chance. The whole DG and PS are just starting this is nonsense too. If we all know Reese was a problem, then he was a problem for Mac also.
PS calls his own plays too, not sure I see your point. I mean I know he is calling these world beater plays that Mac wasn't , but..oh wait there is no but.
Mac never coached McCoy or Weeden. If you mean he can't coach a QB up, let me know where he got that chance. Since I can't think of one. I'll just reserve judgement on that one.
I feel this way EXACTLY. This is correct logic.
DG/PS represented a plan which involved a 2-3 year window with Eli. That has blown up in smoke.
The problem with this is the draft comes after you'd hire a new coaching staff. So unless we have the #1 pick and are completely sold on the QB that's there, this wouldn't make sense to do.
I think Shurmur is in a really shitty position. I'm indifferent on him staying but the guy was either forced to give it a go with Eli or signed up for it thinking he (and the line) would be a lot better.
As a rule fans lack objectivity and make irrational statements about their team. But even by those standards the call for firing Shurmur after one season is absurd.
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all logic suggesting otherwise, my gut keeps telling me that Shurmur can turn this around.
Great post.
Go back to your cave. Or just stay in Hoboken. Basically the same thing.
The results aren't good this year, but he's working with a shitty hand. I like the way he carries himself, his actions so far and he isn't staying stagnant despite the team struggling. We'll see, but I think pulling the plug after one year is a mistake.
But as I said, that's mostly my gut. I certainly can see why people don't like him.
As a rule fans lack objectivity and make irrational statements about their team. But even by those standards the call for firing Shurmur after one season is absurd.
If the Giants go 1-15, you’re bringing Shurmur back?
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book it
Browns...
Jets
Most importantly though, the number of good head coaches is as low as it has ever been. Just look at the HC’s hired since 2014, the majority of them have already been fired. A guy like Harbaugh doesn’t come on the market often & he is a true CEO of a football team.
The only reason to retain Shurmur would be 'because it's not all his fault'. Doesn't seem like a great reason to not upgrade anyone on a team, let alone the coach.
As far as mcadoo being better than shurmur. In what area? Mcadoo repeatedly called out players in the media while he coddled others. Shurmur does not call out any players publicly.
Mcadoo could not handle the media. Shurmur handles them a lot better
We can at least move the ball under shurmur to give the defense a breather from time to time. Mcadoo was consistently 3 and out.
Shurmur is not afraid to make changes. The only thing mcadoo ever changed was his hairdo.
Mcadoo was way over his head
As far as mcadoo being better than shurmur. In what area? Mcadoo repeatedly called out players in the media while he coddled others. Shurmur does not call out any players publicly.
Mcadoo could not handle the media. Shurmur handles them a lot better
We can at least move the ball under shurmur to give the defense a breather from time to time. Mcadoo was consistently 3 and out.
Shurmur is not afraid to make changes. The only thing mcadoo ever changed was his hairdo.
Mcadoo was way over his head
In a season and 2/3 Mcadoo has more wins than PS has in 4+ years of coaching. Mcadoo also has more seasons with a winning record than PS.
His 2 years as OC here were fantastic, Admittedly his final year was awful, but I believe this year to be worse and the whole staff was changed, and I had some hope things would turn around.
Mcadoo was Saddled with the worse D coordinator in football, the worse Special teams coordinator in football and an OC who never ran the WCO. How did you expect him to succeed?
As for changes, he wanted Eli out. Something I see posted every day here THIS year as something that should happen.
I think PS might be a Norv Turner type. Great OC, but not head coaching material.
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Was ever let go after this season and harbaugh was brought in, the comments on this thread and on other threads would be exactly the same. Just replace shurmurs name with harbaugh.
As far as mcadoo being better than shurmur. In what area? Mcadoo repeatedly called out players in the media while he coddled others. Shurmur does not call out any players publicly.
Mcadoo could not handle the media. Shurmur handles them a lot better
We can at least move the ball under shurmur to give the defense a breather from time to time. Mcadoo was consistently 3 and out.
Shurmur is not afraid to make changes. The only thing mcadoo ever changed was his hairdo.
Mcadoo was way over his head
In a season and 2/3 Mcadoo has more wins than PS has in 4+ years of coaching. Mcadoo also has more seasons with a winning record than PS.
His 2 years as OC here were fantastic, Admittedly his final year was awful, but I believe this year to be worse and the whole staff was changed, and I had some hope things would turn around.
Mcadoo was Saddled with the worse D coordinator in football, the worse Special teams coordinator in football and an OC who never ran the WCO. How did you expect him to succeed?
As for changes, he wanted Eli out. Something I see posted every day here THIS year as something that should happen.
I think PS might be a Norv Turner type. Great OC, but not head coaching material.
Wow, there is so much wrong with everything you said.
Where do you even get shurmur and 4+ years of coaching. He coached 2 years in cleveland and this is his first year here. Mcadoo has more wins not because of his offensive prowess, but because of what you deemed as the worse defensive coordinator in football. More winning seasons? Again 2 years for each coach, that's hardly a statement. Mcadoo called his own plays, and he promoted Mike Sullivan to offensive coordinator. He wasn't saddled with anything.
Shurmur got more out of the likes of weeden and McCoy as a head coach than mcadoo could ever dream.
Shurmur and Gettleman just got in the door and have only begun to rebuild this roster from what Reese destroyed in 6 years of bad drafting.
This year is bad, but at least they are making changes and building something instead of mcadoo constantly trotting out the same garbage week after week with nothing changing!!
Which coach isn't a pompous jerk? If a coach wasn't that, I would be very concerned.
Change of scenery could be a remedy, but the guy may just need a break.
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Was ever let go after this season and harbaugh was brought in, the comments on this thread and on other threads would be exactly the same. Just replace shurmurs name with harbaugh.
As far as mcadoo being better than shurmur. In what area? Mcadoo repeatedly called out players in the media while he coddled others. Shurmur does not call out any players publicly.
Mcadoo could not handle the media. Shurmur handles them a lot better
We can at least move the ball under shurmur to give the defense a breather from time to time. Mcadoo was consistently 3 and out.
Shurmur is not afraid to make changes. The only thing mcadoo ever changed was his hairdo.
Mcadoo was way over his head
In a season and 2/3 Mcadoo has more wins than PS has in 4+ years of coaching. Mcadoo also has more seasons with a winning record than PS.
His 2 years as OC here were fantastic, Admittedly his final year was awful, but I believe this year to be worse and the whole staff was changed, and I had some hope things would turn around.
Mcadoo was Saddled with the worse D coordinator in football, the worse Special teams coordinator in football and an OC who never ran the WCO. How did you expect him to succeed?
As for changes, he wanted Eli out. Something I see posted every day here THIS year as something that should happen.
I think PS might be a Norv Turner type. Great OC, but not head coaching material.
Wow, there is so much wrong with everything you said.
Where do you even get shurmur and 4+ years of coaching. He coached 2 years in cleveland and this is his first year here. Mcadoo has more wins not because of his offensive prowess, but because of what you deemed as the worse defensive coordinator in football. More winning seasons? Again 2 years for each coach, that's hardly a statement. Mcadoo called his own plays, and he promoted Mike Sullivan to offensive coordinator. He wasn't saddled with anything.
Shurmur got more out of the likes of weeden and McCoy as a head coach than mcadoo could ever dream.
Shurmur and Gettleman just got in the door and have only begun to rebuild this roster from what Reese destroyed in 6 years of bad drafting.
This year is bad, but at least they are making changes and building something instead of mcadoo constantly trotting out the same garbage week after week with nothing changing!!
OK sure 2+ years, you're right I count each team he has coached for, and din't really factor in the full season thing.
Do you really think he promoted Sullivan or it was done for him? When was the last Head Coach who didn't replace 2 of 3 coordinators (who were both garbage) and promoted an internal candidate for the last....I'll wait.
He never stood a chance. The whole DG and PS are just starting this is nonsense too. If we all know Reese was a problem, then he was a problem for Mac also.
PS calls his own plays too, not sure I see your point. I mean I know he is calling these world beater plays that Mac wasn't , but..oh wait there is no but.
Mac never coached McCoy or Weeden. If you mean he can't coach a QB up, let me know where he got that chance. Since I can't think of one. I'll just reserve judgement on that one.