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Keaton028 : 11/11/2018 4:06 pm
Just making an observation watching the Redskins-Bucs game. Washington is dealing with O-lineman getting injured right and left, and having to pull guys off the street. Yet their line still looks competent. Why can’t we do this? They sign guys like Austin Howard and Johnathan Cooper and look fine after three days of practice. We sign high priced FA’s who look lost week in and week out. Something is seriously up with our scouting department. Frustrating to watch.
Fluker  
Les in TO : 11/11/2018 4:15 pm : link
Is having a pro bowl season and the niners are happy with richburgs’ play. It is coaching combined with an immobile skittish QB that makes the Giants line look bad.
RE: Fluker  
crick n NC : 11/11/2018 4:18 pm : link
In comment 14172084 Les in TO said:
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Is having a pro bowl season and the niners are happy with richburgs’ play. It is coaching combined with an immobile skittish QB that makes the Giants line look bad.


So the giants OL is fine the way it is?
Hal Hunter  
Jay on the Island : 11/11/2018 4:18 pm : link
has to go. Hopefully he is the first fire this offseason. If his contract is up the Giants should look to make Munchak the highest paid assistant coach in the league. Give him the title of assistant HC also.

I would also give Russ Grimm a call and see if he is willing to come out of retirement.
RE: Fluker  
Deejboy : 11/11/2018 4:21 pm : link
In comment 14172084 Les in TO said:
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Is having a pro bowl season and the niners are happy with richburgs’ play. It is coaching combined with an immobile skittish QB that makes the Giants line look bad.

Richburg is one of the one worst ranked centers in football. Saying the 49ers are happy with his play is like saying the Giants are happy with Nate Solder's play. The 49ers signed Richburg to a 5 year $47.5 contract and he has been a massive disappointment and by far the weak link on that OL.
What a mistake  
spike : 11/11/2018 4:21 pm : link
Signing Omameh over Fluker.

Put Fluker and Flowers at guard and feed Saquon all day
RE: RE: Fluker  
Jay on the Island : 11/11/2018 4:22 pm : link
In comment 14172091 Deejboy said:
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In comment 14172084 Les in TO said:


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Is having a pro bowl season and the niners are happy with richburgs’ play. It is coaching combined with an immobile skittish QB that makes the Giants line look bad.


Richburg is one of the one worst ranked centers in football. Saying the 49ers are happy with his play is like saying the Giants are happy with Nate Solder's play. The 49ers signed Richburg to a 5 year $47.5 contract and he has been a massive disappointment and by far the weak link on that OL.

Yeah by all accounts Richburg has struggled this season. The Giants were wise to let him and Pugh walk. Now let's hope that they draft a few solid replacements.
RE: What a mistake  
Jay on the Island : 11/11/2018 4:22 pm : link
In comment 14172092 spike said:
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Signing Omameh over Fluker.

Put Fluker and Flowers at guard and feed Saquon all day

You mean Hernandez and Fluker?
49ers are happy with Richburg  
bluepepper : 11/11/2018 4:23 pm : link
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“He’s added a ton,” 49ers coach Kyle Shanahan said on Thursday. “He’s been as good as any center that I’ve had and he’s been one of the main reasons why we’ve been able to run the ball as well as we have despite our injuries . . . Guys love him here and he’s really helped us.” [/quote]
screwed up the quote  
bluepepper : 11/11/2018 4:25 pm : link
here's the link from Newsday
Link - ( New Window )
RE: Fluker  
Deejboy : 11/11/2018 4:26 pm : link
In comment 14172084 Les in TO said:
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Is having a pro bowl season and the niners are happy with richburgs’ play. It is coaching combined with an immobile skittish QB that makes the Giants line look bad.

Fluker is also not having a pro bowl season. PFF has him ranked about average in the NFL for a guard. Because he is great at run blocking and one of the worst pass blocking guards in football. That isn't a pro blow guard.
Skins  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/11/2018 4:26 pm : link
Bill Callahan is an outstanding line coach. Next to Head Coach I think this is the most important coach especially with the CBA rules.
RE: Skins  
Jay on the Island : 11/11/2018 4:29 pm : link
In comment 14172099 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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Bill Callahan is an outstanding line coach. Next to Head Coach I think this is the most important coach especially with the CBA rules.

If the Redskins fire Gruden after the season the Giants should make a run at Callahan. Obviously Munchak would be the top choice if his contract expires but I doubt Pittsburgh let's him leave.

Callahan and a call to recently retired Russ Grimm would be my next moves. The Giants should have kept Mike Solari around as he has been praised for his work with Seattle's line this season. It's obvious that the players were the problem not him.
I know Cooper has been bad,  
Keaton028 : 11/11/2018 4:30 pm : link
I really wish we took a shot on Howard while he was available.
RE: 49ers are happy with Richburg  
Deejboy : 11/11/2018 4:32 pm : link
In comment 14172095 bluepepper said:
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“He’s added a ton,” 49ers coach Kyle Shanahan said on Thursday. “He’s been as good as any center that I’ve had and he’s been one of the main reasons why we’ve been able to run the ball as well as we have despite our injuries . . . Guys love him here and he’s really helped us.” [/quote] [/quote]
That's nice he says that. The Giants coaches use to say nice things about Ereck Flowers. They said nice things about Omameh. They say nice things and Nate Solder too. But in reality Richburg has been ranked one of the worst centers in the league and that almost $30 mill in guaranteed money looks like an awful deal.
our OL talent sucks and has sucked  
bluepepper : 11/11/2018 4:32 pm : link
not disputing that. But every year there are teams that get hit by injuries and are trotting out 2nd-3rd team guys to start and still their OL manage to play well enough to score some points and give their team a shot at winning.
RE: our OL talent sucks and has sucked  
crick n NC : 11/11/2018 4:36 pm : link
In comment 14172105 bluepepper said:
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not disputing that. But every year there are teams that get hit by injuries and are trotting out 2nd-3rd team guys to start and still their OL manage to play well enough to score some points and give their team a shot at winning.


The giants have sucked across the whole line though. A team that needs to plug in a guy can manage with at least adequate talent, and mental toughness for the pro game
Jay  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/11/2018 4:38 pm : link
I think he ends up back with Gruden in Oakland.
RE: our OL talent sucks and has sucked  
Jay on the Island : 11/11/2018 4:38 pm : link
In comment 14172105 bluepepper said:
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not disputing that. But every year there are teams that get hit by injuries and are trotting out 2nd-3rd team guys to start and still their OL manage to play well enough to score some points and give their team a shot at winning.

You're right it is very frustrating. Earlier in Eli's career they were able to insert guys like Kevin Boothe, Grey Ruegamer, Bob Whitfield, etc. and they wouldn't miss a beat.
To be fair there are plenty of teams that need  
Bluesbreaker : 11/11/2018 5:45 pm : link
O-line help because of injuries . Our problem
has been draft failures even in the later rounds zero
development . It's Obvious Eli's mobility is as bad as it gets not that he was ever a threat to run but his range is
next to nothing you get within a yard of Eli and its a sack
but this season with the play of Soldier has magnified it.
There are more teams that have bad OLs  
EricJ : 11/11/2018 5:59 pm : link
than teams that have good ones. The teams that can figure out how to move the ball and score despite those issues will be successful. The talent on the OL is one thing, but the coaching, the play calling and the play of your QB all have an impact on it.

Solder was an average left tackle last year. If anyone thinks that in just six months he suddenly forgot how to play and became the worst left tackle in the game, then you are smoking something. His performance right now looks like he could be the worst in the league but I am willing to bet that the other factors I referenced above played a big part in it.

Is it really possible that every OL we drafted and every OL we signed via free agency were just THAT bad? Do you know the odds on missing on virtually every guy over the past 6-7 years?
I liked Fluker in our line.  
Giant John : 11/11/2018 6:07 pm : link
Thought DG screwed that one up
Solari didn't come with stellar reviews  
SHO'NUFF : 11/11/2018 7:55 pm : link
followed by Hal Hunter with the worst resume I've ever seen from an NFL position coach.
As far back as I can remember  
section125 : 11/11/2018 9:05 pm : link
the Redskins have been able to stick guys into their line and play well. When Gibbs was there it was amazing that they could have 3 backups in and still play well.
RE: Fluker  
Toth029 : 11/12/2018 6:36 am : link
In comment 14172084 Les in TO said:
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Is having a pro bowl season and the niners are happy with richburgs’ play. It is coaching combined with an immobile skittish QB that makes the Giants line look bad.

Fluker was good last year too. Just hurt, like he's been this year and remember he's on a 1 year deal with Seattle.

Richburg was outplayed last year by Brett Jones. He just flat out not good. Justin Pugh is hurt all the time time. Still.
Pugh and Richburg leaving was just fine.  
Jimmy Googs : 11/12/2018 7:09 am : link
Would we have struggled as much by keeping Jones and Fluker...I don’t know? Find it difficult to believe it would have been materially better.

RE: Solari didn't come with stellar reviews  
Jay on the Island : 11/12/2018 10:47 am : link
In comment 14172257 SHO'NUFF said:
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followed by Hal Hunter with the worst resume I've ever seen from an NFL position coach.

Solari was credited for his years in KC during the early 2000's where he was responsible for the best OL in the league.
RE: Fluker  
gmenatlarge : 11/12/2018 3:13 pm : link
In comment 14172084 Les in TO said:
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Is having a pro bowl season and the niners are happy with richburgs’ play. It is coaching combined with an immobile skittish QB that makes the Giants line look bad.


So how does a skittish QB account for the fact that SB gets hit sooner than any starting RB in the league, on avg less than one yard! Or is the run game Eli’s fault too?
RE: Solari didn't come with stellar reviews  
gmenatlarge : 11/12/2018 3:42 pm : link
In comment 14172257 SHO'NUFF said:
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followed by Hal Hunter with the worst resume I've ever seen from an NFL position coach.


Wasn’t Hunter let go by the Browns?
RE: RE: Skins  
gmenatlarge : 11/12/2018 3:57 pm : link
In comment 14172101 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 14172099 Lines of Scrimmage said:


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Bill Callahan is an outstanding line coach. Next to Head Coach I think this is the most important coach especially with the CBA rules.


If the Redskins fire Gruden after the season the Giants should make a run at Callahan. Obviously Munchak would be the top choice if his contract expires but I doubt Pittsburgh let's him leave.

Callahan and a call to recently retired Russ Grimm would be my next moves. The Giants should have kept Mike Solari around as he has been praised for his work with Seattle's line this season. It's obvious that the players were the problem not him.


Why would the redskins fire Gruden, they are currently in first place. Well I guess there is the dan Snyder factor...
The people who saying richburg and fluker  
dep026 : 11/12/2018 4:57 pm : link
Are having pro bowl season is pretty comical.
Here's how it works in the NFL  
arniefez : 11/12/2018 5:04 pm : link
there are 32 teams. The talent level of all 32 teams 10-53 is the same. 1-10 is where there's a difference but the biggest difference is the GM and HC. There are very few difference makers in those jobs.
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