NFT: Knicks Magic Thread

He's one of the top scorers of our generation

In comment 14172193 Anakim said:

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He's one of the top scorers of our generation

I see your point. I just feel he hasn’t won anything in the NBA
Selfish ball stopping player that has ended his career poorly

and on the offensive end, he stifles ball movement. He wouldn't get my vote.

A few points behind Alex English (who won nothing) and 500 points behind Kevin Garnett.

Stop with the non - hall of fame craziness.

If Carmelo Anthony is considered a lock selection. That’s not even a dig at Melo, who has had a very good but not “great” career. There has to be a higher threshold for what is considered greatness.

The guy is a coach killer

In comment 14172211 Dave in PA said:

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If Carmelo Anthony is considered a lock selection. That’s not even a dig at Melo, who has had a very good but not “great” career. There has to be a higher threshold for what is considered greatness.

10x all star, 2 time 2nd tean all nba, 4 time 3rd team all nba, scoring champion, 19th in points, 3 time gold medalist and a bronze, college champion..

lock hall of famer

In comment 14172231 nygiants16 said:

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10x all star, 2 time 2nd tean all nba, 4 time 3rd team all nba, scoring champion, 19th in points, 3 time gold medalist and a bronze, college champion.. lock hall of famer

I think this is the salient point. I don’t think his NBA career deserves admission to the NBA Hall of Fame. Despite his prolific scoring, his deficiencies in nearly every other part of the game drag him down.

But there is no NBA Hall of Fame. It’s the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame, and they weigh college and international accomplishments as well.

In comment 14172243 Jim in Fairfax said:

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In comment 14172231 nygiants16 said: Quote: 10x all star, 2 time 2nd tean all nba, 4 time 3rd team all nba, scoring champion, 19th in points, 3 time gold medalist and a bronze, college champion.. lock hall of famer I think this is the salient point. I don’t think his NBA career deserves admission to the NBA Hall of Fame. Despite his prolific scoring, his deficiencies in nearly every other part of the game drag him down. But there is no NBA Hall of Fame. It’s the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame, and they weigh college and international accomplishments as well.

Exactly. I'm not much of a Melo fan but he will deservedly get in for a long list of accomplishments in the game of racquetball

In comment 14172246 steve in ky said:

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In comment 14172243 Jim in Fairfax said: Quote: In comment 14172231 nygiants16 said: Quote: 10x all star, 2 time 2nd tean all nba, 4 time 3rd team all nba, scoring champion, 19th in points, 3 time gold medalist and a bronze, college champion.. lock hall of famer I think this is the salient point. I don’t think his NBA career deserves admission to the NBA Hall of Fame. Despite his prolific scoring, his deficiencies in nearly every other part of the game drag him down. But there is no NBA Hall of Fame. It’s the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame, and they weigh college and international accomplishments as well. Exactly. I'm not much of a Melo fan but he will deservedly get in for a long list of accomplishments in the game of racquetball

LOL auto correct haha. Obviously should read Basketball

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his man with an elbow all night, awesome

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for the tank.

Don't hate it.

Complete no show at home (thus far).

doesnt want to play defense but will just continue to chuck..

but getting run out of the gym by the fucking Magic is a bit much. Putrid effort, but a long way to go.

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In comment 14172272 nygiants16 said:

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Just terrible. Don't even bother putting our hands up on defense. No ball movement on offense.

and brick

Zion Williamson’s stat line in Duke’s home-opener earlier today:
27 points (on 11-of-14 shooting), 16 rebounds, 4assists and 6 blocks

Maybe we can acquire him for Timmy again.

laughable

and lol at the official, he makes a call and says i couldnt see it, then why the fuck are you calling something?

chance that Carmelo doesn't make the HOF. His one year in college will also be taken into account and all you have to do is look who is actually in the hall of fame to realize that he is a lock

robinson 7 blocks...

and can knox start next game, he clearly is a player that needs to get into a flow..

I know his offense has been abominable lately, but him and Robinson seem like the only players on the Knicks who know how to play consistent defense. Frank only plays six minutes, the Knicks lose by 30... coincidence? At least we got to see a nice put back by Knox.

In comment 14172322 JustaDiscussion said:

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I know his offense has been abominable lately, but him and Robinson seem like the only players on the Knicks who know how to play consistent defense. Frank only plays six minutes, the Knicks lose by 30... coincidence? At least we got to see a nice put back by Knox.

frank was part of the reason they were down 20 in the first quarter, he cant score, the starting lineup has 1 scorer in it...

Robinson is all defense..

vonleh is all rebounding..

dotson can hit some 3s and have a nice drive here and there...

hardaway is your scorer...

frank is a defensive point guard, who cant shoot...he needs to be able to knoc down wide open 3s otherwose he is useless...

who could break down the defense and actually throw a lob pass or find the open guy the offense would be so much better..

it is why i want to see mudiay in the starting lineup, he can break down a defense unlike frank...

mudiay,tim, knox, vonleh, robinson

bench frank, trier, dotson, hezonja, kanter

i would really like kanter traded, he kills them defensively

but it's not like this Knicks team is strong offensively regardless of whether Frank plays or not. As shown by their 89 point output tonight, mostly without Frank on the court, they have struggled offensively recently anyway. I personally feel that they might as well play some defense and hope Frank shoots himself out of his funk, but that's just my opinion.

I'd also look into varying the offensive sets a bit. It seems like teams have already picked up on what the Knicks are doing.

without kp team relies way to much on hardaway, i just think it comea to a point where you have it or you dont and i know frank is only 20 and maybe 1 day he finds it but right now i dont see it and this is coming from someone who really wanted him...

he is jist way to passive, even wide open which is part of the reason he misses, he can not break down a defense and when he does get into the paint he hesitates so much he either misses or turns it over...

you see flashes when he puts his head down and gets to the rim but it is few and far between, i think he neeeds to sit a few games...he needs to reset...

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those of you who actually watch this garbage year in and year out. I can't do it. You guys will deserve to enjoy the Knicks winning when they finally do a hell of a lot more than I will deserve it. There is nothing worse to watch than bad NBA basketball in my opinion.

Who won?

In comment 14172347 MookGiants said:

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those of you who actually watch this garbage year in and year out. I can't do it. You guys will deserve to enjoy the Knicks winning when they finally do a hell of a lot more than I will deserve it. There is nothing worse to watch than bad NBA basketball in my opinion.

it is easier when it is young players for the future and the team is finally building the right way and they actually have their pick

If you could get a first, you'd have to seriously consider taking it. We don't have a starting point guard on this roster.

"Something worth noting about Frank Ntilikina: dating back to the middle of last year, when teams call the Knicks about potential trades, one of the players they ask most often about is Ntilikina. To date, New York hasn’t had any interest in trading the second-year guard."

I'm glad the Knicks feel like Frank's defense is good enough to give him a long leash while he tries to develop an offensive game. I hope they continue to deny trade offers for at least another couple of years. I'm also glad that BBI doesn't make personnel decisions for the Knicks or the Giants.

to pass on Dennis Smith Jr was the wrong decision. I doubt Ntilikina will ever be successful in the NBA. He's not a good point guard, he's not a good shooting guard, and he's not close to being small forward talent.

And who cares about Dennis Smith jR. He doesn’t play winning basketball and can’t lkay a lick of defense. I still think Frank will end up being a better all around player. He just needs minutes there will be ups and downs, but I think frank can be an all world defender and eventually become a 12-14 pt and 5-7 assist guy. With his defensive play that is plenty good enough in offense. I don’t care if Dennis smith scores 20 a night if he’s giving up 30 a night.

That's a conversation. But Dennis Smith Jr is so not a good PG, it's not even worth a discussion. And, from the looks of his game, he'll never be one in my opinion. To me, Frank has an upside. Smith may be there already

How long is that contract he signed?

and I certainly don't regret passing on Dennis Smith, but Frank has some major obstacles to overcome - weak handle, bad shot, lack of explosiveness, to name a few. Time is on our side with him, but it's ugly right now.

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you got an argument. I think you don't have as strong as an argument with Dennis Smith jr. A lot of Dallas fans are saying he's an undersized 2 on the team.

But I wasn't able to watch the game last night. Can anyone tell me why Frank only played 5 minutes?

In comment 14172423 DanMetroMan said:

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All three of the Duke freshman looked great. I know it’s against Army so we’ll see how they do against top competition but as a Knicks fan I’ll be watching Duke closely this year. I think if we can get any of those 3 kids we will be in great shape.

In comment 14172393 GeofromNJ said:

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to pass on Dennis Smith Jr was the wrong decision. I doubt Ntilikina will ever be successful in the NBA. He's not a good point guard, he's not a good shooting guard, and he's not close to being small forward talent.

If you think Dennis Smith Jr is good you should stop commenting on bball threads.

In comment 14172393 GeofromNJ said:

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to pass on Dennis Smith Jr was the wrong decision. I doubt Ntilikina will ever be successful in the NBA. He's not a good point guard, he's not a good shooting guard, and he's not close to being small forward talent.

Great. He and Kanter an score 40 together and give up 60. Zero defensive players are killers unless They are bit bench players. Not a player who to freak out over passing on.

In comment 14172435 LawrenceTaylor56 said:

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you got an argument. I think you don't have as strong as an argument with Dennis Smith jr. A lot of Dallas fans are saying he's an undersized 2 on the team. But I wasn't able to watch the game last night. Can anyone tell me why Frank only played 5 minutes?

The whole DSJ thing is a dumb hill to die on. By all accounts the Knicks would likely have taken Mitchell if Frank wasn’t on the board. They even tried to trade back for a second first to take him. That’s the guy to be pissed at missing out on.

is a lock for the HOF? Come on.

DSJ then Mitchell. Not hitting on Mitchell set us back years, but DSJ has turned out to be a dud too.

Frank, though, is not likely to turn into the next Greek Freak or Leonard, that much we know. Let’s face it, he was the pick because Phil didn’t guys who gets triple doubles and jump through the roof...

In comment 14172520 Jim in Hoboken said:

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DSJ then Mitchell. Not hitting on Mitchell set us back years, but DSJ has turned out to be a dud too. Frank, though, is not likely to turn into the next Greek Freak or Leonard, that much we know. Let’s face it, he was the pick because Phil didn’t guys who gets triple doubles and jump through the roof...

it didnt set them back years stop it...if knox and this years pick you have a great young trio...

look how many picks the sixers mised

Clear his salary while he's top-15 in the NBA in scoring (at least I think he is). I'm sure a team would take him on. He'd be an excellent second or third scoring option.

are shaping up to be the bottom feeders this year. Right now the Wizards are there too, but that should change. Hopefully the Hawks and Bulls improve when their young studs - Collins and Markkanen - return from injury. Suns have plenty of young talent but don't have much to show for it yet. As for Cleveland...yikes.