I like cutting Omameh especially if it results in getting a 4th round comp pick. But, I still have questions about extra comp picks. Unless something happens to Rivers in SD, I don't expect Geno to suit up so that won't matter. But, there was something written about cutting Latimer and Michael Thomas and getting a 4th and maybe more. is that still in play or did the deadline pass or did the Omameh cut eliminate that as a possibility or did the front office decide to keep them?
Can you explain the reason for getting this comp pick for cutting Omameh. I'm not familiar with the rule. Thanks.
Playing time does factor in.
Unfortunately most are in the mid to late rounds. The Giants need to hit a homerun on a couple of those picks. They should have three 4th round picks. I would like to see two of those used on offensive linemen. Gettleman found Daryl Williams in round 4 and hopefully he can find another good linemen.
You're missing a 7th from the Saints for Apple.
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1, 2, 4, 4 (Saints), 4 (Comp), 5, 6, 7 (Vikings)
You're missing a 7th from the Saints for Apple.
I'm pretty sure that the Saint's 7th comes in 2020.
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1, 2, 4, 4 (Saints), 4 (Comp), 5, 6, 7 (Vikings)
You're missing a 7th from the Saints for Apple.
I'm pretty sure that the Saint's 7th comes in 2020.
Looks like as big Blue Hokie mentioned you omitted the 5th from the Lions which may actually be the 49ers 5th since the Giants get the earlier of the Lions 5th round picks.
Plus, the Giants also possibly get a 7th back from from the Rams from the Ogletree trade.
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Day 3 meaning rounds 4 and beyond?
If you have good scouting on can find very good players in rounds 4 and 5............it's all a crapshoot but I wouldn't call them "useless".
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are almost useless. If the picks are not packaged to move up to day 2 then people expecting to "rebuild through the draft" have poor expectations.
Day 3 meaning rounds 4 and beyond?
If you have good scouting on can find very good players in rounds 4 and 5............it's all a crapshoot but I wouldn't call them "useless".
Almost useless, I said.
I feel like this study done by a Chiefs fan is valuable, across the league these are the result of finding starters by round over a 10-year period. Sure, you'll wind up with the occasional Barry Cofield, but more likely you're getting an Adrien Robinson and they simply for reporting purposes define success as starting more than 50% of your games for your career.
Point is after every draft I read people saying "I'm really excited about player x (picked on day 3) and I feel like, that guy if he wasn't drafted might not even make the roster, and if he does, odds are against him becoming a starter.
I think UDFA's have a better chance of becoming starters than 5th, 6th, or 7th round picks.
but fans keep clamoring for "accumulating draft picks". Yeah, the Giants have 12 picks, 8 of them will be camp fodder or even worse become scholarship players making the team because they were drafted over a better developmental UDFA.
The numbers show us the following outline for finding consistent starters:
1st Round - OL (83%) LB (70%) TE (67%) DB (64%) QB (63%) WR (58%) RB (58%) DL (58%)
2nd Round - OL (70%) LB (55%) TE (50%) WR (49%) DB (46%) QB (27%) DL (26%) RB (25%)
3rd Round - OL (40%) TE (39%) LB (34%) DL (27%) WR (25%) DB (24%) QB (17%) RB (16%)
4th Round - DL (37%) TE (33%) OL (29%) LB (16%) WR(12%) DB (11%) RB (11%) QB (8%)
5th Round - TE (32%) DB (17%) WR (16%) OL (16%) DL (13%) RB (9%) LB (4%) QB (0%)
6th Round - TE (26%) OL (16%) DL (13%) WR (9%) DB (8%) RB (6%) LB (5%) QB (0%)
7th Round - DB (11%) OL (9%) QB (6%) WR (5%) DL (3%) LB (2%) RB (0%) TE (0%)
He also found Omameh and Solder.....
Instead of volume, I would rather see quality.....I'd use the extra picks to trade up.....but I don't think we have the right guy to do it...
UDFA's can sign anywhere they want, while a draft pick is yours to keep without the hassle of possibly signing somewhere else. Not uncommon for UDFA's to get multiple offers.
So, if you really like a player it pays to pick him with your draft choice. Hence...having draft choices is a benefit - even late rounders.
There is a 7th from the Rams from the Ogeltree trade
Since he was on a 1 year deal I bet the Giants would have released him off IR if it would have helped them get another comp pick.
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/11/2018 10:53 am : link : reply
the Giants have:
One 1st rounder (own)
One 2nd rounder (own)
Two 4th rounders (own and Saints)
Two 5th rounders (own and Lions)
One 6th rounder (own)
Two 7th rounders (Rams and Vikings)
Additionally, There are 4th and 5th Compensatory picks for Pugh and Kennard according to OTC. Totaling 11 picks if correct.
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/11/2018 10:53 am : link : reply
the Giants have:
One 1st rounder (own)
One 2nd rounder (own)
Two 4th rounders (own and Saints)
Two 5th rounders (own and Lions)
One 6th rounder (own)
Two 7th rounders (Rams and Vikings)
Additionally, There are 4th and 5th Compensatory picks for Pugh and Kennard according to OTC. Totaling 11 picks if correct.
the 5th is the earlier of the 49ers or Lions.
Again, this site tracks this all, and comp picks are projected, nothing final until February I think.
All teams future draft picks - ( New Window )
The competitive advantage for the good teams around the league correlates with hitting on some of those late rounders. Guys like Thielen and Diggs were late round picks. Tyreke Hill. Good OL are frequently found in the mid to late rounds.
The success rate may be low but the picks matter. If they can finally hit on a few late rounders it will turn this franchise around quickly.
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are almost useless. If the picks are not packaged to move up to day 2 then people expecting to "rebuild through the draft" have poor expectations.
Day 3 meaning rounds 4 and beyond?
If you have good scouting on can find very good players in rounds 4 and 5............it's all a crapshoot but I wouldn't call them "useless".
Almost useless, I said.
I feel like this study done by a Chiefs fan is valuable, across the league these are the result of finding starters by round over a 10-year period. Sure, you'll wind up with the occasional Barry Cofield, but more likely you're getting an Adrien Robinson and they simply for reporting purposes define success as starting more than 50% of your games for your career.
Point is after every draft I read people saying "I'm really excited about player x (picked on day 3) and I feel like, that guy if he wasn't drafted might not even make the roster, and if he does, odds are against him becoming a starter.
I think UDFA's have a better chance of becoming starters than 5th, 6th, or 7th round picks.
but fans keep clamoring for "accumulating draft picks". Yeah, the Giants have 12 picks, 8 of them will be camp fodder or even worse become scholarship players making the team because they were drafted over a better developmental UDFA.
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Historic Success Chart
The numbers show us the following outline for finding consistent starters:
1st Round - OL (83%) LB (70%) TE (67%) DB (64%) QB (63%) WR (58%) RB (58%) DL (58%)
2nd Round - OL (70%) LB (55%) TE (50%) WR (49%) DB (46%) QB (27%) DL (26%) RB (25%)
3rd Round - OL (40%) TE (39%) LB (34%) DL (27%) WR (25%) DB (24%) QB (17%) RB (16%)
4th Round - DL (37%) TE (33%) OL (29%) LB (16%) WR(12%) DB (11%) RB (11%) QB (8%)
5th Round - TE (32%) DB (17%) WR (16%) OL (16%) DL (13%) RB (9%) LB (4%) QB (0%)
6th Round - TE (26%) OL (16%) DL (13%) WR (9%) DB (8%) RB (6%) LB (5%) QB (0%)
7th Round - DB (11%) OL (9%) QB (6%) WR (5%) DL (3%) LB (2%) RB (0%) TE (0%)
One thing that chart implies is that teams should focus rounds 4 through 7 on DL, OL, and TEs to a much lesser extent DB (probably safeties not CBs)
To really see a trend would require a much better metric for evaluating the quality of players vs. the round.