Brown to start tonight at RG

Go on keeping the others around him (with except Hernandez) whom are a disaster..all of the sudden they are keepers...too funny

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In comment 14172883 gmenatlarge said: Quote: A 49ers castoff is going to start in less than 2 weeks, truly a sad state of affairs.... Except he's from the Rams...

See, even the giants fans are screwed up Lol.

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Bart Oates used to work out at my gym and was very approachable. Nice guy and he liked to talk football especially the OL. Without saying it, it was pretty clear he thought the OL was terrible 3-4 years ago and would never be any good. I once asked him if someone watching a game on tv can tell if a particular lineman was at fault for the lousy play and he said no way. He said a fan has no idea what the player was asked to do so you couldn’t tell who screwed up.

Yes and no. From a strict X's and O's on any given play, the fan doesn't know the responsibilities of the player. But it doesn't take a fan with knowledge of the game to determine a player is at fault when the players are laying on their bellies like hogs in the mire while the defenders are bearing down on Eli.

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I'm hopeful.

At this point IRA you would be an improvement. They have to find a RT. I can not believe how desperate we are to find one quality OL. It really is pathetic.

In place of Jones.

If he comes back good by opening day, next year (and Brown works out), we may only have one hole on the O-line - right side tackle.

The biggest problem that would hold back a decent line is on the sidelines - Hal Hunter.

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Shows how pathetic the giants are gmenatlarge : 1:59 pm : link : reply A 49ers castoff is going to start in less than 2 weeks, truly a sad state of affairs....

To show how pathetic the fans are, they've stooped to not even know what the fuck they are trying to insult!!

Only TV shots of the O-line on the bench is the whole group just sitting there confused and dazed. Hunter has NO answers for them (I've never seen him coaching-them-up.)

He got injured about a quarter of the way through the season and tried to play through it. He played well in 2016 and the beginning of 2017. Give the youngster a shot all day long.

In comment 14172746 arcarsenal said:

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Greco should have been moved back to OC and Pulley should be removed. He's awful.

How do you know that's not in the game plan for tonight?

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He got injured about a quarter of the way through the season and tried to play through it. He played well in 2016 and the beginning of 2017. Give the youngster a shot all day long.

I hope you're right but I just don't have faith in Pulley. I am very interested in seeing Evan Brown in the starting lineup. He was my favorite UDFA signing and I think the coaching staff likes his upside. As with most rookie OL he needs to get stronger but he has upside.

Greco was not an good option at guard. Horrible decision.

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In comment 14172746 arcarsenal said: Quote: Greco should have been moved back to OC and Pulley should be removed. He's awful. How do you know that's not in the game plan for tonight?

Because I'm fairly certain Shurmur already said Pulley is remaining @ C.

with the Pulley/Greco talk and who is less bad at C, I still search for the rationale, a meaningful rationale, for sending Brett Jones to Vikes for a next year's 7th. I think there are not a few of us here, without rose colored glasses and acknowledging Jones' limitations, who believed he was the team's most consistent OL in '16 and '17. It does make me wonder about the guiding logic or motivation for some of the moves made in the off-season.

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with the Pulley/Greco talk and who is less bad at C, I still search for the rationale, a meaningful rationale, for sending Brett Jones to Vikes for a next year's 7th. I think there are not a few of us here, without rose colored glasses and acknowledging Jones' limitations, who believed he was the team's most consistent OL in '16 and '17. It does make me wonder about the guiding logic or motivation for some of the moves made in the off-season.

The way this group evaluated offensive linemen this past offseason should be very worrisome to Giants fans.

They got rid of guys who were at least passable (Fluker, Jones) - they spent a lot of money on guys who have been really bad. Gettleman showered everyone with this "Hog Mollie" bullshit and promised he'd fix this - yet, the OL this year is just as bad, if not WORSE than last year.

Really scary times for us. The guys at the top seem poor at evaluating talent - which has been an issue here for a long time. Gettleman seems to think analytics are nonsense while most of the more successful, forward-thinking franchises are embracing them.

I have very little faith in anyone making decisions for the Giants right now.

In comment 14172776 Big Blue '56 said:

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Pasztor on waivers? NFL office closed on Veterans day?

Pasztor was available all Sept. and most of Oct. If the Giants wanted him, they had almost 2 months to pick him up for nothing. I doubt the Giants have any interest.

Let's hope he works out and is a stud. Would the Rams not be able to trade him prior to release? I would think he teams thought that highly of him would have sent a 5th or 6th whether as a upgrade or as depth for a real contender this year.

In comment 14172788 Doomster said:

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if you are replacing Omameh with him! As for locking down the position, the guy has not played a single down yet for us... He will look great, even if only average, like Beason did.... Here is the kicker.....let's say he is an upgrade over Jerry/Omameh, and we want him.....he is an UFA next year, looking for that post rookie contract.....in a league starving for some semblance of talent in the OL, the Giants would probably have to overpay him also, just to keep him.....that's if, he even wants to be here.... But let's see him play first before we cross that bridge.... And I agree.....put Greco back at center....

If after a couple games the Giants like him. It behooves the team to sign him sooner rather than later. If they sign him this year then some of his bonus/cap hit can be taken this year instead in future years.

In comment 14173208 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 14173194 ColHowPepper said: Quote: with the Pulley/Greco talk and who is less bad at C, I still search for the rationale, a meaningful rationale, for sending Brett Jones to Vikes for a next year's 7th. I think there are not a few of us here, without rose colored glasses and acknowledging Jones' limitations, who believed he was the team's most consistent OL in '16 and '17. It does make me wonder about the guiding logic or motivation for some of the moves made in the off-season. The way this group evaluated offensive linemen this past offseason should be very worrisome to Giants fans. They got rid of guys who were at least passable (Fluker, Jones) - they spent a lot of money on guys who have been really bad. Gettleman showered everyone with this "Hog Mollie" bullshit and promised he'd fix this - yet, the OL this year is just as bad, if not WORSE than last year. Really scary times for us. The guys at the top seem poor at evaluating talent - which has been an issue here for a long time. Gettleman seems to think analytics are nonsense while most of the more successful, forward-thinking franchises are embracing them. I have very little faith in anyone making decisions for the Giants right now.

I agree arc, even when he was talking up "Hogmollies" in the spring, I was going, whoa, slow down. Mr Gettleman, What you've assembled here is not going to be much better than last year IF AT ALL. Of course BBI told me I didn't know what I was talking about...

I was in favor of trading back and trying to taget players like Nelson and McGlinchey. In retrospect it seems that was unrealistic to target both of them, but certainly McGlinchey and Ragnow were in reach. Both are playing well now...