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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/12/2018 11:14 pm
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RE: How come...  
Simms11 : 11/12/2018 11:57 pm : link
In comment 14175293 jnoble said:
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Corey Coleman disappeared after his big return?


Yea, was wondering about that too. He certainly looked like the real deal, but this is like his 4th team already? Maybe 4th time is the charm?!
I remember hearing much about  
Greg from LI : 11/12/2018 11:57 pm : link
in 2013 when 1-7 became 7-9. In the long run, those wins were utterly meaningless. And yes, I know they ended up with OBJ. My point is that there was no positive impact from that "winning culture".
RE: RE: RE: RE: This teams needs to win games  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/12/2018 11:58 pm : link
In comment 14175279 Greg from LI said:
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So you donít think culture is important?



Talent is infinitely more important


No doubt. But imo, you cannot sustain winning without the right culture, the right mix of guys and inner team accountability. Iím a big believer in culture. Now that doesnít mean DG made the right moves re this, but I do think it has to be developed by the coach and the leaders of the team.
Much about winning culture that is  
Greg from LI : 11/12/2018 11:58 pm : link
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Most of these guys won't be on the team  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/12/2018 11:59 pm : link
by the time the Giants are a contender again. So, the culture talk is meaningless.
Did Barwin retire? I havenít heard him make  
Simms11 : 11/13/2018 12:00 am : link
a play in like 2 months!
Culture or not  
JerseyCityJoe : 11/13/2018 12:01 am : link
That Carter kid is a keeper.
And this is a separate discussion re culture  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/13/2018 12:01 am : link
I agree the Giants really need talent right now.
RE: RE: F$&KING BOOGER  
18E : 11/13/2018 12:02 am : link
In comment 14175117 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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He maligned Eli the whole game,



























He called him a hall of famer.


The fuck were you listening to Hammer?
Coleman was encouraging  
bluepepper : 11/13/2018 12:02 am : link
nice return and a nice reception in traffic. Seemed to be playing with intensity. Not sure of his issues elsewhere but if it was lack of effort then he didn't exhibit that tonight. Maybe a light bulb is going on. We should be taking chances on guys like him. You never know.
RE: Most of these guys won't be on the team  
section125 : 11/13/2018 12:04 am : link
In comment 14175327 Dave in Hoboken said:
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by the time the Giants are a contender again. So, the culture talk is meaningless.


It is definitely meaningful. Good players sour quickly on teams with shitty locker rooms. Good players won't come to a team with a shitty locker room. Young players will not fear making errors in a shitty locker room. Good locker rooms drive players to excel and compete. Would you want to play for a team with malcontents?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: This teams needs to win games  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/13/2018 12:04 am : link
In comment 14175320 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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In comment 14175232 Jim in Forest Hills said:


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So you donít think culture is important?



Talent is infinitely more important



No doubt. But imo, you cannot sustain winning without the right culture, the right mix of guys and inner team accountability. Iím a big believer in culture. Now that doesnít mean DG made the right moves re this, but I do think it has to be developed by the coach and the leaders of the team.


Even if it's something you believe in, which is fine, you can have your beliefs, a winning culture comes from having the tools required to allow players to believe they can win games. This roster is outmanned and outgunned. When the 53 guys in that room believe they can compete, that's how culture generates. It's not some force that elevates bad rosters to contention.
Good stuff from tonight  
trueblueinpw : 11/13/2018 12:08 am : link
First two career picks by BJ. Atía boy BJ! Keep Ďem coming!

No turnovers by the offense.

No injuries.

The defense didnít fold at the end of the game.

Giants fans get to see an all time great Giant lead his team to a 4th quarter come from behind win.

And yeah, it was the 9ers and they suck but itís a win in the NFL and this team needed a win in the worst way. Iíll fucking take it!

Good things Big Blue!
When you've endured years of picking bad players  
widmerseyebrow : 11/13/2018 12:08 am : link
It's easy to get seduced with acquiring talent at any cost. Ask the Browns. But getting a mega talent for one or two years before they stupid themselves off your team or out of the NFL is effectively not much different than picking shit players that aren't worth a second contract. It's unsustainable.

You can pick talented guys that aren't addicted to substances or getting arrested in the offseason. They're not mutually exclusive.
Coleman  
Marty866b : 11/13/2018 12:09 am : link
Is what nice to see a Giant player with real good speed.
Any chance that a reporter will ask Eli  
CT Charlie : 11/13/2018 12:09 am : link
about the huge under-throw on OBJ?
RE: Coleman was encouraging  
jcn56 : 11/13/2018 12:09 am : link
In comment 14175341 bluepepper said:
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nice return and a nice reception in traffic. Seemed to be playing with intensity. Not sure of his issues elsewhere but if it was lack of effort then he didn't exhibit that tonight. Maybe a light bulb is going on. We should be taking chances on guys like him. You never know.


In Cleveland it was a knock on his work ethic, documented pretty clearly on Hard Knocks. They were accusing him of not running hard enough in practice.

He's made a few stops so I'm skeptical, but sometimes it takes desperate measures for the light to go on in some people.
RE: When you've endured years of picking bad players  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/13/2018 12:11 am : link
In comment 14175358 widmerseyebrow said:
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It's easy to get seduced with acquiring talent at any cost. Ask the Browns. But getting a mega talent for one or two years before they stupid themselves off your team or out of the NFL is effectively not much different than picking shit players that aren't worth a second contract. It's unsustainable.

You can pick talented guys that aren't addicted to substances or getting arrested in the offseason. They're not mutually exclusive.


I don't think anyone's advocating for picking dumb guys who are going to smoke or drink themselves to retirement. There's plenty of talent available at the top of the draft where you don't have to compromise talent for bad character.

Who would not want more players like a Barkley?
RE: RE: I don't care about the draft pick  
djm : 11/13/2018 12:27 am : link
In comment 14175184 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I want to win and develop a winning attitude with the young core group



We're two weeks removed from them recognizing the need to sell and rebuild. Their 'core' hasn't been picked yet.


What? What about the rookies and second n third year players?

Some of you bitch about everything.
Splitting atoms with the picks  
Bluesbreaker : 11/13/2018 12:31 am : link
Seems if Herbert does not come out is there a QB worth
taking top 5 ?? .. Play the season out were gonna get a great player where ever we pick If Bosa is there we would
likely take him or the Bama LT . Lord knows we need help .
I wouldn't mind taking O-line in the 2nd round either
Don't think Oliver is a bonafied pass rusher but this draft
has plenty of Defense . we have two 4ths can move up as well
into the 3rd . Young players need to win learn how to win and finish .
Wow you guys are a blast  
JOrthman : 11/13/2018 12:32 am : link
I get that the season is not going anywhere, but can't we just enjoy a win?
RE: I remember hearing much about  
djm : 11/13/2018 12:35 am : link
In comment 14175319 Greg from LI said:
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in 2013 when 1-7 became 7-9. In the long run, those wins were utterly meaningless. And yes, I know they ended up with OBJ. My point is that there was no positive impact from that "winning culture".


What about what happened down the stretch of 2006? That team was a wreck as the season moved along. Injuries mounting. Rumors of discontent. It was getting uglier by the minute but that team did not collapse. They battled. They won 2 games out of 6 and limped to 8-8 record. Lost the WC game. What about 1999? 7-9. Not much good in December but again, the team struggled but didnít fold up shop. Won 1-2 games out of the final 4-5-6 weeks. Didnít Look good. Didnít feel good either. But what emerged from those meaningless seasons?

I donít know how any giants fan can actually sit here and be comfortable with MORE losing. Christ on fucking crack, havenít we lost enough? Have we not tanked enough here? We canít enjoy one fucking win here in god damned November? I hate you all.
Even if youíre right  
djm : 11/13/2018 12:38 am : link
And we just lost some legendary player in the draft, take your fucking tank talk and shove it up your asses. Each and every one of you.

2 and fucking 7!!!! And youíre talking about blowing a draft pick. Lol... bravo... maniacs.
Ps  
djm : 11/13/2018 12:43 am : link
Weíre gonna be lucky to win 2 more games so donít worry the tank will be just fine in the end. We win two in a row by crushing Tampa than reality hits. Probably. Unless this offense really stays hot. Not convinced but you never know.
RE: RE: I think Witten and whoever the other booth announcer was ...  
Boy Cord : 11/13/2018 12:45 am : link
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... are heading to the 49ers locker room to blow Kittle.



But he shit on Booger for dissing on Eli about the HoF. So I guess he's going to the Giants Locker room, too?


Uh, no.
RE: RE: RE: RE: A win despite Shurmur's best efforts to fuck it up  
youngd74 : 11/13/2018 1:22 am : link
In comment 14175097 RobCarpenter said:
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His clock management is pathetic.



I agree. Just makes no sense.



Our D was not preventing a FG so he was going for TD.



There were about 20 seconds on the play clock on the TD pass. No resason to snap it until 3 seconds on the play clock. If itís not there take an incompletion. Plus the Giants still had a TO
Really people! Have we even been watching this team this season in the red zone? Really going to complain about when we score? Maybe we should just be happy we scored at all!
Not at all sold on Herbert  
Vanzetti : 11/13/2018 1:50 am : link
So this win does not bother me. But I understand why those of you who want Herbert are bummed. But in reality, Gruden is focused on Herbert and no way Giants were beating out the Raiders for the number one pick
RE: Any chance that a reporter will ask Eli  
montanagiant : 11/13/2018 2:10 am : link
In comment 14175361 CT Charlie said:
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about the huge under-throw on OBJ?
well if you watch it again his plant foot slipped on that shitty turf everyone was slipping on
Carter 3 TFL  
jeff57 : 11/13/2018 5:11 am : link
Very nice.
Jamon Brown  
youngd74 : 11/13/2018 5:14 am : link
Looked pretty solid at RG!
This is going to be fun  
micky : 11/13/2018 6:14 am : link
Hehehe
Thought Eli played well, particularly good td passes  
Jimmy Googs : 11/13/2018 7:00 am : link
reminds me of a game he played well last year too, i think versus Philly...
Winning Feels So Good  
Rolyrock : 11/13/2018 7:23 am : link
Great to Giants players and coaches smiling congratulating each other. Go Giants!!
RE: Happy for Eli  
short lease : 11/13/2018 7:29 am : link
In comment 14175025 Kyle in NY said:
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heís fighting it out there, but it was nice to see another (final?) last minute drive for the win. Will always enjoy those.


That is true ... I am ashamed part of me wants them to finish 1 and 15 ... now 2 and 14.

Definitely happy for Eli - he deserves better than what he has endured last year and this year.
If you can't enjoy the win....  
Kanavis : 11/13/2018 7:33 am : link
Then why even watch? You cannot manipulate the draft through a full seasom unless you are Oakland. And what they are doing is a disgrace. We aren't guaranteed that anyone from even this year's touted qb class will be great to say nothing of next year. Nice to see a win and aittle vintage Eli
RE: I understand why some think losing is better (draft pick)  
Ivan15 : 11/13/2018 7:54 am : link
In comment 14175285 Drewcon40 said:
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but a win feels so great. I love that we won. There are still flaws and improvement needed but this was fun. A lot of these guys will be back next year so winning is a positive.

I also thought they played hard until the end which means they haven't quit on the coach. Enjoy this my friends. One game at a time. I have no illusions of a 9-7 record but a good, fun win. Maybe our first home win in 2018 comes soon?


Iím not in favor of tanking for a higher 1st round pick, but as the 2018 draft showed, you get a higher Pick in EVERY round. Not only Barkley, the Giants probably would have missed out on Hernandez and Carter.
Run blocking is still terrible  
jeff57 : 11/13/2018 8:00 am : link
Look how the Rams and Chargers block for Gurley and Gordon. Giants 31st in rushing yards.
Ahhhh  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/13/2018 8:03 am : link
Coffee tastes better today...
I Watched Jamon Brown...  
looie : 11/13/2018 8:23 am : link
...on almost every play. Stood his ground, didnít get bowled over or pushed back into the pocket like our previous RGs. Nice to see for a change. Hope it continues.
The people upset about the changes in our draft  
UConn4523 : 11/13/2018 8:29 am : link
slot need to get a life. The coaches and players are trying to keep and earn their jobs. Thereís more at stake than your sensitive fandom. Sure, Iíd love to openly tank and get a better draft position to increase the odds we get better quicker, but Iím not going smash my keyboard in anger when I donít get what I want.

Enjoy watching these guys smile for a change, and try it yourselves.
OL  
5BowlsSoon : 11/13/2018 8:31 am : link
Actually created a pocket last night. JBrown is a huge improvement.
It's about winning games - they won  
bc4life : 11/13/2018 8:44 am : link
Can still see the needs - have to get the run game going better.

Need another pass rusher, probably two.
OLine  
bc4life : 11/13/2018 8:45 am : link
definitely looked better
RE: RE: I remember hearing much about  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/13/2018 8:52 am : link
In comment 14175401 djm said:
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in 2013 when 1-7 became 7-9. In the long run, those wins were utterly meaningless. And yes, I know they ended up with OBJ. My point is that there was no positive impact from that "winning culture".



What about what happened down the stretch of 2006? That team was a wreck as the season moved along. Injuries mounting. Rumors of discontent. It was getting uglier by the minute but that team did not collapse. They battled. They won 2 games out of 6 and limped to 8-8 record. Lost the WC game. What about 1999? 7-9. Not much good in December but again, the team struggled but didnít fold up shop. Won 1-2 games out of the final 4-5-6 weeks. Didnít Look good. Didnít feel good either. But what emerged from those meaningless seasons?

I donít know how any giants fan can actually sit here and be comfortable with MORE losing. Christ on fucking crack, havenít we lost enough? Have we not tanked enough here? We canít enjoy one fucking win here in god damned November? I hate you all.


Nobody WANTS more losing. They just recognize losing today is the fastest method to getting more players so they can actually fix it rather than celebrating wins against other 2-win teams as if they have meaning. Feeling good at the watercooler this morning because they beat another bottom shelf team isnt actually fixing anything.
RE: Jamon Brown  
gmenatlarge : 11/13/2018 9:11 am : link
In comment 14175483 youngd74 said:
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Looked pretty solid at RG!


+1 The O-line actually looked like a real O-line, although the run blocking leaves much to be desired. Yes I know it's the 9ers but the giants have made worse teams than that look like the 85 bears.
I keep reading here that Gruden is focused on Hebert - Is that really  
PatersonPlank : 11/13/2018 9:11 am : link
true? I haven't seen it, plus he has a 26 yr old Carr. Hell if he picks Hebert lets trade a pick to him for Carr, he won't need him.
RE: I keep reading here that Gruden is focused on Hebert - Is that really  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/13/2018 9:12 am : link
In comment 14175714 PatersonPlank said:
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true? I haven't seen it, plus he has a 26 yr old Carr. Hell if he picks Hebert lets trade a pick to him for Carr, he won't need him.


It's pure assumption. Nobody knows.
Gruden has made it abundantly clear that he has no use for Carr  
Greg from LI : 11/13/2018 9:16 am : link
Whether that means he absolutely wants Herbert, who knows, but it certainly suggests it as a strong possibility.
Observations from last night:  
Rick in Dallas : 11/13/2018 9:56 am : link
Improved OL play in pass protection.
Still having difficulty in run blocking.

Really impressed with Carterís play last night. He needs to start and play all the time. Bench Barwin.

I thought Grant Haley made some nice plays last night. He needs to play more in the last 7 games.

If Coleman works hard he maybe a good pickup as 3rd WR and kickoff Returner. We can only hope he decides to work hard to make himself a good player.

DL had a tough game last night in run and pass defense. We need to see improvement from Tomlinson and Hill.

Vernon looked disinterested during the game last night. So overpaid. Too bad we couldnít move him for a draft pick.

Eli had a good game last night as well as OBJ. The lack of arm strength on the deep ball to OBJ who was wide open was very telling.

A win is a win and very happy this morning. Slept slot better last night.

Go Giants!!!
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arcarsenal : 11/13/2018 10:48 am : link
In the long run, it probably hurts more than helps to have won the game.

That said - while it was going on, the juices were flowing for the first time in a while. I felt a sense of excitement. I knew it was under a shitty premise, but seeing it unfold in a way that put Eli in position to lead the game-winning drive after all that's been said and all of the focus that was on him to basically "win or else" - it was just so perfect. It was almost a microcosm of his career in one shot.

The line was better. They really did a much better job in pass pro. The running lanes were still tough to come by, but we had a better approach with Barkley I felt.

I'd like to see them start to work Coleman into the offense more opposite Beckham. He can run - he can help us stretch the field. He's limited but he does have some skill we can use.

Honestly, it just felt good to win again. Regardless of the long-term implications. As hard as I've been on Eli, I really loved watching him come through and turn back the clock like that for a night. The records kind of just got pushed aside for that time and it was exciting and enjoyable for me finally.

I'm actually sort of looking forward to the next game again for the first time in a while.
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