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Eli just told his critics to Shut Up (For one week)

djstat : 11/12/2018 11:15 pm
When he had blocking he picked SF apart.
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RE: I really need to apologize once again to NYG07  
NYG07 : 11/13/2018 2:08 pm : link
In comment 14176466 montanagiant said:
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I was blasted last night and for the second week in a row, I mistakenly called him a Dupe. The man has owned me 2 weeks straight now and my humbled ass apologizes


Lol that is cute Montana. I dont even hate you as a poster. I hope that sarcastic post made you feel better about yourself.
That's terribly ironic, considering  
Bill L : 11/13/2018 2:09 pm : link
that "Eli Army" is pejorative.
RE: That's terribly ironic, considering  
bw in dc : 11/13/2018 2:11 pm : link
In comment 14176486 Bill L said:
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that "Eli Army" is pejorative.


Oh, please. It's a term of endearment...
Sure it is...  
dep026 : 11/13/2018 2:12 pm : link
just like Jints Central, right?
RE: Can we stop with the weak argument that we need to see  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/13/2018 2:12 pm : link
In comment 14175407 montanagiant said:
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What a 4th rd draft pick has and just come out and admit that you're both miserable because we won a game and have put at risk the #1 pick in a draft that has any really exciting QB prospects?

Stop trying to sugarcoat that miserable of a view that we need to tank with 7 games left.

Or... OR... people realize that with an aging QB who is clearly in decline and just seven weeks away from his 38th birthday, it's prudent to look to the future. I know that concept might be lost on you if you think that's a "weak argument." It's actually the only certainty in the whole debate - Eli is old and getting older. Unless you prefer a protracted tank period over several years, or favor giving up a ton of draft capital in a future year, you should absolutely be hoping to find Eli's successor in a year when we suck out loud anyway.

That's not meant to hurt your feelings or offend your mancrush.
RE: Sure it is...  
bw in dc : 11/13/2018 2:17 pm : link
In comment 14176492 dep026 said:
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just like Jints Central, right?


Absolutely. That's a great one. I love Jints Central.

RE: The pro and anti Eli crowd  
NYG07 : 11/13/2018 2:49 pm : link
In comment 14176459 hassan said:
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NYG07, get over it, its not always about being right. Don't get me wrong, Im no big fan of several of the folks that defend Eli excessively but you are going down a bad rabbit hole.




You are right. Thanks for being the voice of reason. I am just tired of the personal attacks. We all have a right to our own opinions. Yet I constantly see posters getting ganged up on. I have even seen Eric get attacked recently. Just completely out of line.
NYG07  
hassan : 11/13/2018 3:00 pm : link
there is obviously some small irony that people so off in their assessment last year are doubling down and are constantly nasty about it. Any shred of evidence in their position becomes a proof point.

But the name calling is going both ways. This is beyond ridiculous at this point.
I think everybody could stand a little self awareness.....  
Britt in VA : 11/13/2018 3:17 pm : link
of how they post, and how it comes across to others.
cumulatively.  
Britt in VA : 11/13/2018 3:18 pm : link
.
No one who said Eli could still play provided there  
JCin332 : 11/13/2018 3:35 pm : link
was an upgrade to the OL was "off in their assesment" since the OL is actually worse...

And JC  
hassan : 11/13/2018 3:46 pm : link
thats your opinion, which many here respectfully disagree with, including the owner of the site and the most prominent talent evaluator.

I wont get into the many claims made by some around his market and his trade value and other items discussed last year.


it does not matter  
hassan : 11/13/2018 3:47 pm : link
this topic is so pulverized to death at this point its like debating religion or politics.
So Eric is the most prominent evaluator on the site?  
JCin332 : 11/13/2018 3:55 pm : link
And you are right it is my opinion but that opinion is shared by Sean O'Hara, David Diehl, Carl Banks and Bob Papa among gst others...
RE: So Eric is the most prominent evaluator on the site?  
bw in dc : 11/13/2018 3:58 pm : link
In comment 14176663 JCin332 said:
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And you are right it is my opinion but that opinion is shared by Sean O'Hara, David Diehl, Carl Banks and Bob Papa among gst others...


I think he means Sy...
RE: I think everybody could stand a little self awareness.....  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/13/2018 4:00 pm : link
In comment 14176601 Britt in VA said:
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of how they post, and how it comes across to others.

Like the thread you started after the Eagles game last season?
RE: RE: I think everybody could stand a little self awareness.....  
Britt in VA : 11/13/2018 4:02 pm : link
In comment 14176669 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 14176601 Britt in VA said:


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of how they post, and how it comes across to others.


Like the thread you started after the Eagles game last season?


Well I did say "everyone" didn't I?

It's funny you mention that thread, as that thread in particular was the one where I said it proved he could still play at a high level about a month before Gettleman cited that exact game as one where it appeared Manning could still play.
And that sure worked out well..  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/13/2018 4:04 pm : link
.
Well, you see there's....  
Britt in VA : 11/13/2018 4:09 pm : link
saying what you believe will happen based on the evidence, and then there's saying what you think should happen.

And they are two very different things.

I read the tea leaves and told you what I thought the organization would do based on what I saw. Truthfully, there was little emotion to it other than hoping that if they went that way it was successful.

Then there is saying what you think should happen, regardless of what all the signs are telling you.

Davis Webb WILL start the rest of the season.

The Giants WILL take a QB at 2.

The Giants WILL cut Eli/trade/take paycut this offseason.

It's just not exactly logical. It's happening again this year.

"Eli WILL be cut this offseason". This WILL be Eli's last game as a Giant." "Lauletta WILL start after the bye."

You sure?
RE: RE: RE: I think everybody could stand a little self awareness.....  
bw in dc : 11/13/2018 4:13 pm : link
In comment 14176675 Britt in VA said:
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It's funny you mention that thread, as that thread in particular was the one where I said it proved he could still play at a high level about a month before Gettleman cited that exact game as one where it appeared Manning could still play.


You do realize that sentence is a target rich environmental for a lot of jokes...right?

; )
it would be Sy  
hassan : 11/13/2018 4:14 pm : link
and Diehl and O' Hara will never dismiss Eli as loyal teammates. Banks and Papa have absolutely pinned some blame on him after games. They actually as announcers of the Giants cannot publicly take any stance on him otherwise bigger than that. So not sure why you would consider any of these opinions impartial.

Its not worth getting into. I sincerely hope Eli goes on a tear and wins out this season. I have no harbored agenda against him, and I hope he has more left than what it seems, but with protection he continued to struggle to move the ball last night and was ok but hardly stellar. Not a confidence inspiring game.

This looks like a 4-5 win team.
RE: Well, you see there's....  
Ash_3 : 11/13/2018 4:19 pm : link
In comment 14176689 Britt in VA said:
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saying what you believe will happen based on the evidence, and then there's saying what you think should happen.

And they are two very different things.

I read the tea leaves and told you what I thought the organization would do based on what I saw. Truthfully, there was little emotion to it other than hoping that if they went that way it was successful.

Then there is saying what you think should happen, regardless of what all the signs are telling you.

Davis Webb WILL start the rest of the season.

The Giants WILL take a QB at 2.

The Giants WILL cut Eli/trade/take paycut this offseason.

It's just not exactly logical. It's happening again this year.

"Eli WILL be cut this offseason". This WILL be Eli's last game as a Giant." "Lauletta WILL start after the bye."

You sure?


Are you done Britt? We've seen the pattern before. Eli played pretty well this week (and that's fine--Eli's my favorite Giant of all time) and this might license a certain level of self satisfaction on your part.

He has, for the most part, been below average for a long time now. If sample size has any significance, then over the next few weeks he will very likely return to being below average. Should that happen you'll take the opposite tack and claim those critiquing Eli are gloating. Either way, you get to have the high ground.

It's tired.
This offseason  
Les in TO : 11/13/2018 4:19 pm : link
Cutting Eli has much less of a cap impact than the previous one to the tune of 11million in dead money. So as we trend to a 4 win season the economics are much more favourable to cut him and use that money to shore up other areas.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/13/2018 4:31 pm : link
The comment about self-awareness that is made above is very appropriate:

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FMiC...
bw in dc : 2:06 pm : link : reply
has sort of evolved into this ombudsman for BBI and Jints Central. It's fascinating, and he seems to really embrace the role...

These Eli topics are great and a classic example. The Eli Army gets insulted so they send their "bat signal" to FMiC. He then swoops in and verbally pulverizes the the violator(s).

I must say I find it great theater... ;)


I don't really embrace anything nor feel like an obudsman. If I find something particularly moronic or insulting I call it out. No need for a bat signal.

Here's the thing I look at - we have a QB who helped deliver 2 SB's to us. He shouldn't be immune from criticism, but he certainly should be immune from personal attacks.

Just like the organization that has delivered a SB in every decade since 1980 began should be immune from the ridiculous characterization that it is a bumbling one with a derisive moniker like "Jints Central".

to me, it is telling what type of fan will say these types of things.

I'm pretty self aware on this board. I call out what I perceive to be moronic statements, and try to keep the ones I utter to a minimum. Generally I'm not an asshole off the board and I'm not an asshole to the vast majority of posters who aren't ignorant, but my take has stayed pretty consistent throughout my time here.

I have little respect for people who shit on the very people they are supposedly wishing well of. I would not call myself an Eli apologist, but I will not denigrate any player who delivers entertainment. That's why I have conflicts here - because there are a lot of schmucks who don't really care what they say about people playing for or running the organization. They feel entitled to spew nonsense.

They are neither entitled to do so nor is it acceptable.
RE: LOL..  
Ash_3 : 11/13/2018 4:37 pm : link
In comment 14176731 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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The comment about self-awareness that is made above is very appropriate:



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FMiC...
bw in dc : 2:06 pm : link : reply
has sort of evolved into this ombudsman for BBI and Jints Central. It's fascinating, and he seems to really embrace the role...

These Eli topics are great and a classic example. The Eli Army gets insulted so they send their "bat signal" to FMiC. He then swoops in and verbally pulverizes the the violator(s).

I must say I find it great theater... ;)



I don't really embrace anything nor feel like an obudsman. If I find something particularly moronic or insulting I call it out. No need for a bat signal.

Here's the thing I look at - we have a QB who helped deliver 2 SB's to us. He shouldn't be immune from criticism, but he certainly should be immune from personal attacks.

Just like the organization that has delivered a SB in every decade since 1980 began should be immune from the ridiculous characterization that it is a bumbling one with a derisive moniker like "Jints Central".

to me, it is telling what type of fan will say these types of things.

I'm pretty self aware on this board. I call out what I perceive to be moronic statements, and try to keep the ones I utter to a minimum. Generally I'm not an asshole off the board and I'm not an asshole to the vast majority of posters who aren't ignorant, but my take has stayed pretty consistent throughout my time here.

I have little respect for people who shit on the very people they are supposedly wishing well of. I would not call myself an Eli apologist, but I will not denigrate any player who delivers entertainment. That's why I have conflicts here - because there are a lot of schmucks who don't really care what they say about people playing for or running the organization. They feel entitled to spew nonsense.

They are neither entitled to do so nor is it acceptable.


None of this addresses the underlying critique: i.e. your feeling that you have some special access to what is appropriate or not about the sort of criticism an organization deserves.

When fan opinion is this polarized, it suggests that you're not arguing from a consensus on norms.
And then there's *none* of the QBs in the draft *WILL* be  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/13/2018 4:42 pm : link
good in the NFL. The high-horse act is amusing as hell.
RE: RE: RE: I think everybody could stand a little self awareness.....  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/13/2018 4:52 pm : link
In comment 14176675 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 14176669 Gatorade Dunk said:


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In comment 14176601 Britt in VA said:


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of how they post, and how it comes across to others.


Like the thread you started after the Eagles game last season?



Well I did say "everyone" didn't I?

It's funny you mention that thread, as that thread in particular was the one where I said it proved he could still play at a high level about a month before Gettleman cited that exact game as one where it appeared Manning could still play.

At least you were wrong for free. Gettleman got paid to be completely off the mark. It's looking more and more like the supposed film junkie only watched film of one game before his grand QB declaration.
What??  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/13/2018 4:53 pm : link
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None of this addresses the underlying critique: i.e. your feeling that you have some special access to what is appropriate or not about the sort of criticism an organization deserves.

When fan opinion is this polarized, it suggests that you're not arguing from a consensus on norms.


The underlying critique isn't based on what level of critique an organization deserves, it is based on how it is presented.

I'll give an example - JonC has been critical many times of the team. But he states it in terms that are reasonable and measured. Do I rip into him? If Sy points out a negative, am I ripping him?

When people come on after a win and act like Eli Manning somehow shat in their non-chocolate up until then Wheaties, do I rip into them - of course.

There's a way to criticize the players and organization for a team that you supposedly root for reasonably and there's a way to do it not reasonably. If you find me ripping the former, by all means - I'm open for criticism.
RE: And then there's *none* of the QBs in the draft *WILL* be  
Britt in VA : 11/13/2018 4:54 pm : link
In comment 14176758 Dave in Hoboken said:
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good in the NFL. The high-horse act is amusing as hell.


Did I say that? Please quote me, if so.
RE: RE: And then there's *none* of the QBs in the draft *WILL* be  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/13/2018 4:55 pm : link
In comment 14176801 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 14176758 Dave in Hoboken said:


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good in the NFL. The high-horse act is amusing as hell.



Did I say that? Please quote me, if so.


Are you serious?
Dead serious  
Britt in VA : 11/13/2018 4:57 pm : link
Please find me a “where I said none of the quarterbacks in this draft will be good.
Britt..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/13/2018 4:58 pm : link
look who the fuck you are dealing with.
RE: Dead serious  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/13/2018 4:59 pm : link
In comment 14176819 Britt in VA said:
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Please find me a “where I said none of the quarterbacks in this draft will be good.


Clearly, I'm not going back to look in threads with hundreds of posts in them.

You forget the whole "these guys didn't play in a pro-style offense in college!" stuff?

Okay.
Ruh-roh,  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/13/2018 4:59 pm : link
Mr. forever angry is coming at me now.

Scary stuff. I'm petrified.
Like most things, those posts went over your head.  
Britt in VA : 11/13/2018 5:03 pm : link
If you can find a post where I definitively said that none of the quarterbacks in the draft would be good and go ahead and post it. otherwise shut up and stop attributing things to me that I never said. You do this often. You also are never able to find quotes back it up.
Even if you didn't say it  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/13/2018 5:06 pm : link
it was such a commonly droned phrase last season that it's easy to see why someone would attribute it incorrectly. That note got hammered repeatedly.
Love the back-pedaling.  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/13/2018 5:09 pm : link
Let it continue like it has all season long.

RE: Even if you didn't say it  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/13/2018 5:10 pm : link
In comment 14176845 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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it was such a commonly droned phrase last season that it's easy to see why someone would attribute it incorrectly. That note got hammered repeatedly.


'They're all flawed prospects.' 'They didn't play in a pro-style offense.' Blah, blah, blah.
This..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/13/2018 5:19 pm : link
kid of post is classic:

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Ruh-roh,
Dave in Hoboken : 4:59 pm : link : reply
Mr. forever angry is coming at me now.

Scary stuff. I'm petrified.


So because I think you are a moron, I'm "Mr. forever angry", but you can spend most of your posts tearing apart Eli and the organization and you aren't??

It is much more logical to think you are a fuckstick than to think Eli is.
A lot of the venom on this site comes from people being made sick  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/13/2018 5:24 pm : link
of really bad takes. You can take a valid idea, but then wrap it in dogcrap language. People are going to come down on you for that. The truly unreasonable people aren't very numerous. There are some that just genuinely aren't great at conveying messages. "Eli's really not playing well" becomes "Eli's playing like shit, fuck this guy", and then here come the angry bees.
RE: This..  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/13/2018 5:31 pm : link
In comment 14176868 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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kid of post is classic:



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Ruh-roh,
Dave in Hoboken : 4:59 pm : link : reply
Mr. forever angry is coming at me now.

Scary stuff. I'm petrified.



So because I think you are a moron, I'm "Mr. forever angry", but you can spend most of your posts tearing apart Eli and the organization and you aren't??

It is much more logical to think you are a fuckstick than to think Eli is.


Not at all. You're forever angry because 99% of your posts are you coming off like a completely unhinged, certifiable, mental patient.

And what you call 'tearing apart' is what most people call honesty. I said Eli played well last night. Didn't bash him, or any of the other players, either for last night's performance. Not sure what else one can expect after beating a 2-7 team with a 3rd string QB playing for them. A win is a win, and we won. No bashing from me today.
RE: RE: I really need to apologize once again to NYG07  
montanagiant : 11/13/2018 5:49 pm : link
In comment 14176484 NYG07 said:
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In comment 14176466 montanagiant said:


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I was blasted last night and for the second week in a row, I mistakenly called him a Dupe. The man has owned me 2 weeks straight now and my humbled ass apologizes



Lol that is cute Montana. I dont even hate you as a poster. I hope that sarcastic post made you feel better about yourself.

Dude, I was being 100% serious. I was an idiot for calling you that once again and was apologizing for it
...  
christian : 11/13/2018 5:54 pm : link
Being on tne avant garde to defend a man you don't know on a message board he doesn't read, invites a little ribbing.

It's not disrespect, it's not degration -- it's criticism of his play and his mistakes among fans.

If the critique is poorly formed or inaccurate, go for it. But creating a value proposition of someone's "fandom" and "respect" for Eli -- that's funny.

I miss Randy. He'd kicked that stuff right in the butt.
RE: A lot of the venom on this site comes from people being made sick  
JOrthman : 11/13/2018 5:58 pm : link
In comment 14176873 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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of really bad takes. You can take a valid idea, but then wrap it in dogcrap language. People are going to come down on you for that. The truly unreasonable people aren't very numerous. There are some that just genuinely aren't great at conveying messages. "Eli's really not playing well" becomes "Eli's playing like shit, fuck this guy", and then here come the angry bees.


That's what I see, the hyperbole drives a lot of the other responses.
...  
Mr. Bungle : 11/13/2018 6:01 pm : link
Lol ^^^^  
Britt in VA : 11/13/2018 6:53 pm : link
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RE: ...  
Les in TO : 11/13/2018 7:15 pm : link
In comment 14176918 Mr. Bungle said:
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planet of the fanboys
I've Got To Get a Life...  
Jim in Tampa : 11/13/2018 8:17 pm : link
I just read this whole thread from beginning to end.

Quite entertaining though. (Especially the ape fight at the end ;>)
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I don't actually...  
Jimmy Googs : 11/13/2018 11:11 pm : link
In comment 14176362 NYG07 said:
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This is exactly what I am talking about. If you disagree with Les, fine but the constant name calling and shitting on other posters is destroying the integrity of this site. I have been saying this since last year when myself, googs, hassan etc. were getting crushed on here for wanting to move on from Manning. It is absolutely ridiculous.


I am not sure I recall getting "crushed" NYG07 or anything close to that quite frankly. Some of us gave some tough love opinions and should realize those will often beget strong reactions as fair game. The Eli-debates have actually seemed fairly straightforward to me as I think too many on the site struggle to separate their fandom from their objectivity. The berating of posters with anything more than a sarcastic jab really just lets you know how entrenched some take their agendas.

But putting aside some of the hitler-youth posters that reside on BBI to attack in their own ways, I typically find the majority of debates and even heated-arguments topical if not fully entertaining.

Next May I will absolutely think back as to how valueless it was to win last night. But then again, it was sure nice to win again last night...
yes NYG07  
hassan : 11/14/2018 12:38 am : link
i remember having debates but i think in general i did not really get ‘crushed’. As Jimmy said. Some here do because of the tone but I’m not one to post like that.

There are some snide old grumps who can’t be civil with anyone at all but those are hardly very bothersome.
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