What a 4th rd draft pick has and just come out and admit that you're both miserable because we won a game and have put at risk the #1 pick in a draft that has any really exciting QB prospects?
Stop trying to sugarcoat that miserable of a view that we need to tank with 7 games left.
"Hasn't any really exciting QB prospects"
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I know bad football when I see it. You sound like Dave Gettleman.
This isn't even the first time he has called you out Eric. He is an insufferable poster that does nothing but throw jabs at those that dare criticize his hero Eli Manning.
Again, I predicted this in my game preview, and I predicted the reaction.
Eli wasn't bad, and at times, he was downright good. But again, we were breath away from a bad 23-20 loss with about 150 passing yards (had the game ended on a 4th-and-long incompletion). Eli checked down a bunch tonight and he should of audibled when OBJ was left all alone in the red zone. There were a few "WTF" passes in the game, not just one.
The danger here is - like Gettleman - fans will point to 1-out-4 games and say, "See, we can still win with Eli!"
This is the same mindset John Mara has too.
It's time to move on.
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I know bad football when I see it. You sound like Dave Gettleman.
This isn't even the first time he has called you out Eric. He is an insufferable poster that does nothing but throw jabs at those that dare criticize his hero Eli Manning.
Shut up Dupe
Wow. What a great contribution. Your mother must be proud.
We had 63 passing yards in the first half. We finished with 188. The three TD throws were excellent. Beckham was thrown at 11 times with only 4 completions. Engram was left wide open on a 31 yard gain. The 23-yarder to Saquon was an excellent play all around.
But the Giants got bailed out by the defensive holding penalty. If the 49ers don't do that, we lose to a 3rd string QB.
It's doesn't matter Eric...there's no reason to point out facts to the Eli fanboys. They are literally making up fake stats to prove how good Eli is. We were 5-12 on 3rd downs and Britt's going around bragging how great Eli was because he was either 7-9 or 8-10 on 3rd downs.
So maybe Eli wasn't really 18-31 for 188 yards, maybe he was really 25-28 for 375 yards.
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I know bad football when I see it. You sound like Dave Gettleman.
This isn't even the first time he has called you out Eric. He is an insufferable poster that does nothing but throw jabs at those that dare criticize his hero Eli Manning.
Shut up Dupe
Wow. What a great contribution. Your mother must be proud.
Really good response especially because it nails it Dupe
We had 63 passing yards in the first half. We finished with 188. The three TD throws were excellent. Beckham was thrown at 11 times with only 4 completions. Engram was left wide open on a 31 yard gain. The 23-yarder to Saquon was an excellent play all around.
But the Giants got bailed out by the defensive holding penalty. If the 49ers don't do that, we lose to a 3rd string QB.
It's doesn't matter Eric...there's no reason to point out facts to the Eli fanboys. They are literally making up fake stats to prove how good Eli is. We were 5-12 on 3rd downs and Britt's going around bragging how great Eli was because he was either 7-9 or 8-10 on 3rd downs.
So maybe Eli wasn't really 18-31 for 188 yards, maybe he was really 25-28 for 375 yards.
We had 63 passing yards in the first half. We finished with 188. The three TD throws were excellent. Beckham was thrown at 11 times with only 4 completions. Engram was left wide open on a 31 yard gain. The 23-yarder to Saquon was an excellent play all around.
But the Giants got bailed out by the defensive holding penalty. If the 49ers don't do that, we lose to a 3rd string QB.
Again, OBJ dropped an easy slant on the first play of the game. He also fell down when wide open on what would have been a TD. So let's not act like the 4/11 on attempts to him was terrible QB play.
There were also a couple more where the defender just made a great play. Pass was only where OBJ could get it, tight coverage and the defender knocked it away.
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I know bad football when I see it. You sound like Dave Gettleman.
This isn't even the first time he has called you out Eric. He is an insufferable poster that does nothing but throw jabs at those that dare criticize his hero Eli Manning.
Shut up Dupe
Wow. What a great contribution. Your mother must be proud.
Really good response especially because it nails it Dupe
Remember when I owned you in the Eli contract discussion? Shut the fuck up already. You pretend you are the equivalent of Britt but you are not.
Again, I predicted this in my game preview, and I predicted the reaction.
Eli wasn't bad, and at times, he was downright good. But again, we were breath away from a bad 23-20 loss with about 150 passing yards (had the game ended on a 4th-and-long incompletion). Eli checked down a bunch tonight and he should of audibled when OBJ was left all alone in the red zone. There were a few "WTF" passes in the game, not just one.
The danger here is - like Gettleman - fans will point to 1-out-4 games and say, "See, we can still win with Eli!"
This is the same mindset John Mara has too.
It's time to move on.
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I know bad football when I see it. You sound like Dave Gettleman.
This isn't even the first time he has called you out Eric. He is an insufferable poster that does nothing but throw jabs at those that dare criticize his hero Eli Manning.
Shut up Dupe
Wow. What a great contribution. Your mother must be proud.
Really good response especially because it nails it Dupe
Remember when I owned you in the Eli contract discussion? Shut the fuck up already. You pretend you are the equivalent of Britt but you are not.
LOL...You know what I do remember that and I just realized you own me in here...
Beating another bottom dweller with a backup rookie QB and thinking that proves something conclusively, is the height of recency bias. Where was that performance when the season still mattered against our division rivals like Dallas or philly or against battered/ugly defenses in New Orleans or Atlanta.
But, it does quiet them a little. First, just like last year, it needs to be more than one game to shut up the critics completely. Second, the 3 TDs were great, but the multiple deep balls that were terribly underthrown were ugly amd at least one was an easy TD to OBJ. I want to see him and the OL build on the good from this game.
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If you’re on one side you have to hate the other. It’s sad.
Eli didn’t play great but it was nice to see him do some good things and win a game for a change. Some people have already committed to the “Eli sucks, get rid of him” side of things that they can’t even enjoy this game and are butthurt that they won.
I need some confidence in the QB, the coaching staff, and some of the players, not to mention the GM. Some good games and some wins are not evil. The bottom falling out helps NO ONE, draft be damned. They beat a shitty team tonight but maybe they get some confidence and they can build on this.
Eli is not the future. This game will not create delusion in the front office or with the coaches-I’m pretty sure Shurmur knows exactly what he’s watching and it’s mediocre QB play. But this was a decent game and a fun win with some great plays. You’re allowed to enjoy it and you don’t have to get defensive and shit on people who do. The other extreme-“Look Eli is awesome!” is a delusional point of view. The answer of course is somewhere in the middle but we’re conditioned to jump all over the other side no matter what.
I’ll take a few good wins (beat the Eagles in philly, would anyone be crying?) and some solid play so that I can feel good about next year. Draft your qb or trade up if need be. Personally I can’t root for another 2-14 year. It could happen but with a new coach and GM... it isn’t necessarily a great thing to be that horrible again despite the draft pick. We do need some positives.
I hate seeing Manning get pounded into the turf. Watching him play good football is a pleasure.
But playing well against a bottom 3 team, isn't an indication of things to come, nor a reason to invest in that future.
The difference between bad and good in the NFL is so thin. And we've seen 7 other times in full view the talent/age trajectories between QB and team don't line up well for the Giants.
And like Eric, I thought Eli was in his typical cycle where he was due for a productive game. We were off a bye, against another poor team, and playing against an opposing QB recently from the practice squad.
And Eric is right - we got bailed out by a very questionable defensive holding call on 2nd and 20 on the GW drive. That was two guys playing football, with much of the contact initiated by OBJ. But the NFL is so pro-offense that they continue to move the game down this path where they want to be the NBA with a prolate spheroid. It’s just unbearable - even when it goes your way...
The Carter call, for example, was “right” in today’s game but it was really just a guy playing football and tackling another player. The game is just pathetic to watch...
I hate seeing Manning get pounded into the turf. Watching him play good football is a pleasure.
But playing well against a bottom 3 team, isn't an indication of things to come, nor a reason to invest in that future.
The difference between bad and good in the NFL is so thin. And we've seen 7 other times in full view the talent/age trajectories between QB and team don't line up well for the Giants.
No predictions or projections, but if, perhaps a big if, the protection holds up as it did last night, let’s see where Eli really is at this point in his career, when he finally has the time.
And like Eric, I thought Eli was in his typical cycle where he was due for a productive game. We were off a bye, against another poor team, and playing against an opposing QB recently from the practice squad.
And Eric is right - we got bailed out by a very questionable defensive holding call on 2nd and 20 on the GW drive. That was two guys playing football, with much of the contact initiated by OBJ. But the NFL is so pro-offense that they continue to move the game down this path where they want to be the NBA with a prolate spheroid. It’s just unbearable - even when it goes your way...
The Carter call, for example, was “right” in today’s game but it was really just a guy playing football and tackling another player. The game is just pathetic to watch...
Seriously, after 15 years, you really need to recuse yourself from any discussion of Eli or even TC for that matter. We know and have seen your consistently subjective stances by now as it pertains to those two. There is nothing to be learned from your takes on these guys. Perhaps, if you persist on weighing in on Eli, you should offer a disclaimer such as, “I’m not an Eli guy, but....” 😎😎
Neither of them are playing against each other. Many on this thread keep repeating that narrative that Eli barely squeezes out a win against a QB that was on the practice squad a few weeks ago.
If anything, fans should be pissed at our defense for giving up 23 points to a QB that was on the practice squad a few weeks ago.
Was Manning perfect? I don't think anyone is claiming he was. But his performance was enough. The OL for once weren't lolling around with their bellies in the mire while defenders have a free release on Eli. Eli isn't some decrepit, noodle-arm, frail, geriatric that some of his critics make him out to be.
I hate seeing Manning get pounded into the turf. Watching him play good football is a pleasure.
But playing well against a bottom 3 team, isn't an indication of things to come, nor a reason to invest in that future.
The difference between bad and good in the NFL is so thin. And we've seen 7 other times in full view the talent/age trajectories between QB and team don't line up well for the Giants.
No predictions or projections, but if, perhaps a big if, the protection holds up as it did last night, let’s see where Eli really is at this point in his career, when he finally has the time.
He had time and averaged 6 yards per passing attempt, and barely beat a 2 win team that turned it over twice - once in their own zone.
I hate seeing Manning get pounded into the turf. Watching him play good football is a pleasure.
But playing well against a bottom 3 team, isn't an indication of things to come, nor a reason to invest in that future.
The difference between bad and good in the NFL is so thin. And we've seen 7 other times in full view the talent/age trajectories between QB and team don't line up well for the Giants.
No predictions or projections, but if, perhaps a big if, the protection holds up as it did last night, let’s see where Eli really is at this point in his career, when he finally has the time.
He had time and averaged 6 yards per passing attempt, and barely beat a 2 win team that turned it over twice - once in their own zone.
We know where Eli is at in his career.
Take a look around the league. See how many times this year Brady and Rodgers FOR EXAMPLE, have averaged between 6-7 yards per attempt. Seriously, actually go look. No, I’m not comparing Eli to these guys, but when I bring this point up, it’s met with, “yeah, but he threw for 3-4 TDs, that’s what matters.” Got it
Still showing up and being pissed off that we won. Even more pissed off that Eli had a big hand in the win.
Just makes ya laugh anymore.
Eli plays a good game and leads a game winning TD drive, and his critics cite the fact he didn’t put up enough fantasy stats as evidence he didn’t play that well.
If 188 yards and 3 TDs and a game winning drive isn’t good enough, imagine the way this place would have been in the Phil Simms era
So much talk about our two-time MVP Super Bowl QB... Â
Again, I predicted this in my game preview, and I predicted the reaction.
Eli wasn't bad, and at times, he was downright good. But again, we were breath away from a bad 23-20 loss with about 150 passing yards (had the game ended on a 4th-and-long incompletion). Eli checked down a bunch tonight and he should of audibled when OBJ was left all alone in the red zone. There were a few "WTF" passes in the game, not just one.
The danger here is - like Gettleman - fans will point to 1-out-4 games and say, "See, we can still win with Eli!"
This is the same mindset John Mara has too.
It's time to move on.
I never said it wasn't time to move on. Just saying there's no need to go out of your way looking for things to criticize.
Again, I predicted this in my game preview, and I predicted the reaction.
Eli wasn't bad, and at times, he was downright good. But again, we were breath away from a bad 23-20 loss with about 150 passing yards (had the game ended on a 4th-and-long incompletion). Eli checked down a bunch tonight and he should of audibled when OBJ was left all alone in the red zone. There were a few "WTF" passes in the game, not just one.
The danger here is - like Gettleman - fans will point to 1-out-4 games and say, "See, we can still win with Eli!"
This is the same mindset John Mara has too.
It's time to move on.
I never said it wasn't time to move on. Just saying there's no need to go out of your way looking for things to criticize.
it's time to move on from Eli after this year. Hopefully upper management has already arrived at that conclusion. Nice to get a win, but too many plays being left on the table for a guy making franchise money. Take the $17M and see if they can't sign a good Center, or a pass rusher.
where Eli tossed 3 TDs and a GW drive... the narrative is he didnt play that well and he is still done in comparison too...
Ogletree not being able to cover me
Collins with one of the worst performances of his career
Vernon playing like an absolute bum
STs had 3 costly penalties
We didnt sack a rookie QB once.
Not sure you understand the QB position well. People bring up Brees and Brady all the time. Brees has a great offensive line and a running game. I think both would have similar results with this Giants team along with its coaching and scheme.
Booger got on Eli pretty good last night. He was right that he can still play but needs more from his team now. Eli with the 2008 Giants line and running game could be at a high level this year. The problem is the Giants are far from creating that type of supporting team and it is best to move on as it is going to take some years to strengthen the LOS on both sides. In the interim, relax and pull for him to finish out the year with some dignity. I was pretty happy to see him smiling post game.
Eric, I apologize, I was over the top angry last night and said some stupid shit to other posters. I do disagree with the points about management though. This is exactly the meaningless performance that I think will have Gettleman saying they can still win with Eli. Until he provides me with evidence to the contrary, he is still the GM that highlights moments as confirmation bias.
I hate seeing Manning get pounded into the turf. Watching him play good football is a pleasure.
But playing well against a bottom 3 team, isn't an indication of things to come, nor a reason to invest in that future.
The difference between bad and good in the NFL is so thin. And we've seen 7 other times in full view the talent/age trajectories between QB and team don't line up well for the Giants.
No predictions or projections, but if, perhaps a big if, the protection holds up as it did last night, let’s see where Eli really is at this point in his career, when he finally has the time.
He had time and averaged 6 yards per passing attempt, and barely beat a 2 win team that turned it over twice - once in their own zone.
We know where Eli is at in his career.
Take a look around the league. See how many times this year Brady and Rodgers FOR EXAMPLE, have averaged between 6-7 yards per attempt. Seriously, actually go look. No, I’m not comparing Eli to these guys, but when I bring this point up, it’s met with, “yeah, but he threw for 3-4 TDs, that’s what matters.” Got it
Both the Pats and Packers are having down years on offense and still:
Aaron Rodgers has done it 3 times this year and they are 0-2-1 in those games.
Tom Brady has done it 2 times this year, they are 0-2 in those games.
Eli has done it 6 times in 9 games and they are 1-5 in those games. In fact teams this year that average 6.5 ypa or less are 22-58-1. It’s not a winnable formula in 2018.
where Eli tossed 3 TDs and a GW drive... the narrative is he didnt play that well and he is still done in comparison too...
Ogletree not being able to cover me
Collins with one of the worst performances of his career
Vernon playing like an absolute bum
STs had 3 costly penalties
We didnt sack a rookie QB once.
BBI never disappoints.
You’re not wrong, just in the wrong thread for those points.
I just had a good feeling after this game and was glad to see the team win. I am not a scout and fully realize Eli is near the end. Change is always hard, but I am happy for the team today..
What I mind is when people make ridiculous fucking statements:
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What you don’t like the name calling when it’s to you?
If they weren’t playing a bottom three team in the league they lose by double digits with the performance tonight.
Teams that’s score under 30 points and pass for under 200 yards are 88-130 (.404) the last two years.
If you tally up all of the QB's with 180+ yards, 3 TD's and no turnovers, I'm going to bet that 75% of those games are wins.
You really seem to think that isn't true. Shows both how biased you are against Eli as well as how big of a fucking moron you are.
Why does it matter who gets the TDs? Points are points. That situation has happened 5 times in 2 years, and two of the four wins the winning team scored 30+ points.
that posters are taking joy and calling others butthurt when we won a meaningless game against a practice squad quarterback. Hope it makes your day better.
I would rather this team make the necessary changes that result in this team actually being relevant moving forward. If this team was even remotely competent this season we would be fighting for a division title.
There is absolutely no reason to shit on Eli after last night's game. Â
Those of you who are doing it, are doing so with an agenda and it's pretty piss poor in my opinion.
He's on the way out, you're going to get your wish. Just like you did with Tom Coughlin. Let the Coughlin thing be a lesson. Yeah, maybe it was time for him to go, too, but what has followed has been absolutely terrible.
The fact that you sh-t on these guys when they're down says a lot more about you than anybody else.
This is a Giants fan site. Eli Manning is one of the greatest Giants of all time. You got nothing nice to say about seeing the guy get it done a lost couple of times? Then show some respect and shut up.
There's no need to downplay his accomplishments. It's coming to an end, anyway. This year or next.
Let people enjoy the end of his career if they want.
Stop trying to sugarcoat that miserable of a view that we need to tank with 7 games left.
"Hasn't any really exciting QB prospects"
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I know bad football when I see it. You sound like Dave Gettleman.
This isn't even the first time he has called you out Eric. He is an insufferable poster that does nothing but throw jabs at those that dare criticize his hero Eli Manning.
Shut up Dupe
Eli wasn't bad, and at times, he was downright good. But again, we were breath away from a bad 23-20 loss with about 150 passing yards (had the game ended on a 4th-and-long incompletion). Eli checked down a bunch tonight and he should of audibled when OBJ was left all alone in the red zone. There were a few "WTF" passes in the game, not just one.
The danger here is - like Gettleman - fans will point to 1-out-4 games and say, "See, we can still win with Eli!"
This is the same mindset John Mara has too.
It's time to move on.
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...just becoming awful posters...
I know bad football when I see it. You sound like Dave Gettleman.
This isn't even the first time he has called you out Eric. He is an insufferable poster that does nothing but throw jabs at those that dare criticize his hero Eli Manning.
Shut up Dupe
Wow. What a great contribution. Your mother must be proud.
But the Giants got bailed out by the defensive holding penalty. If the 49ers don't do that, we lose to a 3rd string QB.
It's doesn't matter Eric...there's no reason to point out facts to the Eli fanboys. They are literally making up fake stats to prove how good Eli is. We were 5-12 on 3rd downs and Britt's going around bragging how great Eli was because he was either 7-9 or 8-10 on 3rd downs.
So maybe Eli wasn't really 18-31 for 188 yards, maybe he was really 25-28 for 375 yards.
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...just becoming awful posters...
I know bad football when I see it. You sound like Dave Gettleman.
This isn't even the first time he has called you out Eric. He is an insufferable poster that does nothing but throw jabs at those that dare criticize his hero Eli Manning.
Shut up Dupe
Wow. What a great contribution. Your mother must be proud.
Really good response especially because it nails it Dupe
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We had 63 passing yards in the first half. We finished with 188. The three TD throws were excellent. Beckham was thrown at 11 times with only 4 completions. Engram was left wide open on a 31 yard gain. The 23-yarder to Saquon was an excellent play all around.
But the Giants got bailed out by the defensive holding penalty. If the 49ers don't do that, we lose to a 3rd string QB.
It's doesn't matter Eric...there's no reason to point out facts to the Eli fanboys. They are literally making up fake stats to prove how good Eli is. We were 5-12 on 3rd downs and Britt's going around bragging how great Eli was because he was either 7-9 or 8-10 on 3rd downs.
So maybe Eli wasn't really 18-31 for 188 yards, maybe he was really 25-28 for 375 yards.
Yeah, those 3rd downs don't matter..LOL
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We had 63 passing yards in the first half. We finished with 188. The three TD throws were excellent. Beckham was thrown at 11 times with only 4 completions. Engram was left wide open on a 31 yard gain. The 23-yarder to Saquon was an excellent play all around.
But the Giants got bailed out by the defensive holding penalty. If the 49ers don't do that, we lose to a 3rd string QB.
Again, OBJ dropped an easy slant on the first play of the game. He also fell down when wide open on what would have been a TD. So let's not act like the 4/11 on attempts to him was terrible QB play.
There were also a couple more where the defender just made a great play. Pass was only where OBJ could get it, tight coverage and the defender knocked it away.
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...just becoming awful posters...
I know bad football when I see it. You sound like Dave Gettleman.
This isn't even the first time he has called you out Eric. He is an insufferable poster that does nothing but throw jabs at those that dare criticize his hero Eli Manning.
Shut up Dupe
Wow. What a great contribution. Your mother must be proud.
Really good response especially because it nails it Dupe
Remember when I owned you in the Eli contract discussion? Shut the fuck up already. You pretend you are the equivalent of Britt but you are not.
Eli wasn't bad, and at times, he was downright good. But again, we were breath away from a bad 23-20 loss with about 150 passing yards (had the game ended on a 4th-and-long incompletion). Eli checked down a bunch tonight and he should of audibled when OBJ was left all alone in the red zone. There were a few "WTF" passes in the game, not just one.
The danger here is - like Gettleman - fans will point to 1-out-4 games and say, "See, we can still win with Eli!"
This is the same mindset John Mara has too.
It's time to move on.
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...just becoming awful posters...
I know bad football when I see it. You sound like Dave Gettleman.
This isn't even the first time he has called you out Eric. He is an insufferable poster that does nothing but throw jabs at those that dare criticize his hero Eli Manning.
Shut up Dupe
Wow. What a great contribution. Your mother must be proud.
Really good response especially because it nails it Dupe
Remember when I owned you in the Eli contract discussion? Shut the fuck up already. You pretend you are the equivalent of Britt but you are not.
LOL...You know what I do remember that and I just realized you own me in here...
You're not a dupe..
Let’s agree everyone just overreacts to every game with Eli. People have their sides- why is this crap so personal and negative for some of you?
Giants are 2-7. Critics of the critics can STFU
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I know bad football when I see it. You sound like Dave Gettleman.
Eric I don't know if this is your new shtick to generate clicks for the site but its a bad look for you...
I liked it better when you were one of the voices of reason on here...
A good example is the above Gettleman comment...guy inherited a shitshow of an OL and now he is a caricature...
Football is a team game Eric...c'mon you're better than this...!!
Just makes ya laugh anymore.
He missed one throw, he sucked!!!
No need to go to the other extreme.
Eli had good pass protection and he played well. Did he play "great?" Not close to that.
In any event, bad, good or great... doesn't really matter anymore. Eli is the past. He's not our future, beginning in 2019.
Eli didn’t play great but it was nice to see him do some good things and win a game for a change. Some people have already committed to the “Eli sucks, get rid of him” side of things that they can’t even enjoy this game and are butthurt that they won.
I need some confidence in the QB, the coaching staff, and some of the players, not to mention the GM. Some good games and some wins are not evil. The bottom falling out helps NO ONE, draft be damned. They beat a shitty team tonight but maybe they get some confidence and they can build on this.
Eli is not the future. This game will not create delusion in the front office or with the coaches-I’m pretty sure Shurmur knows exactly what he’s watching and it’s mediocre QB play. But this was a decent game and a fun win with some great plays. You’re allowed to enjoy it and you don’t have to get defensive and shit on people who do. The other extreme-“Look Eli is awesome!” is a delusional point of view. The answer of course is somewhere in the middle but we’re conditioned to jump all over the other side no matter what.
I’ll take a few good wins (beat the Eagles in philly, would anyone be crying?) and some solid play so that I can feel good about next year. Draft your qb or trade up if need be. Personally I can’t root for another 2-14 year. It could happen but with a new coach and GM... it isn’t necessarily a great thing to be that horrible again despite the draft pick. We do need some positives.
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You’re the brain dead one if you think this was very good. Good enough to beat a very bad team, sure.
Fuck off.
Show me how many QB's with a 3TD, 0 INT stat line lose.
You are seriously going to stick with the story that it wasn't a very good performance.
Seriously?
What you don’t like the name calling when it’s to you?
If they weren’t playing a bottom three team in the league they lose by double digits with the performance tonight.
Teams that’s score under 30 points and pass for under 200 yards are 88-130 (.404) the last two years.
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Nobody is pumping their chests. Its nice to watch a win and not be pussies whining about where we draft.
But playing well against a bottom 3 team, isn't an indication of things to come, nor a reason to invest in that future.
The difference between bad and good in the NFL is so thin. And we've seen 7 other times in full view the talent/age trajectories between QB and team don't line up well for the Giants.
And Eric is right - we got bailed out by a very questionable defensive holding call on 2nd and 20 on the GW drive. That was two guys playing football, with much of the contact initiated by OBJ. But the NFL is so pro-offense that they continue to move the game down this path where they want to be the NBA with a prolate spheroid. It’s just unbearable - even when it goes your way...
The Carter call, for example, was “right” in today’s game but it was really just a guy playing football and tackling another player. The game is just pathetic to watch...
But playing well against a bottom 3 team, isn't an indication of things to come, nor a reason to invest in that future.
The difference between bad and good in the NFL is so thin. And we've seen 7 other times in full view the talent/age trajectories between QB and team don't line up well for the Giants.
No predictions or projections, but if, perhaps a big if, the protection holds up as it did last night, let’s see where Eli really is at this point in his career, when he finally has the time.
And Eric is right - we got bailed out by a very questionable defensive holding call on 2nd and 20 on the GW drive. That was two guys playing football, with much of the contact initiated by OBJ. But the NFL is so pro-offense that they continue to move the game down this path where they want to be the NBA with a prolate spheroid. It’s just unbearable - even when it goes your way...
The Carter call, for example, was “right” in today’s game but it was really just a guy playing football and tackling another player. The game is just pathetic to watch...
Seriously, after 15 years, you really need to recuse yourself from any discussion of Eli or even TC for that matter. We know and have seen your consistently subjective stances by now as it pertains to those two. There is nothing to be learned from your takes on these guys. Perhaps, if you persist on weighing in on Eli, you should offer a disclaimer such as, “I’m not an Eli guy, but....” 😎😎
If anything, fans should be pissed at our defense for giving up 23 points to a QB that was on the practice squad a few weeks ago.
Was Manning perfect? I don't think anyone is claiming he was. But his performance was enough. The OL for once weren't lolling around with their bellies in the mire while defenders have a free release on Eli. Eli isn't some decrepit, noodle-arm, frail, geriatric that some of his critics make him out to be.
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I hate seeing Manning get pounded into the turf. Watching him play good football is a pleasure.
But playing well against a bottom 3 team, isn't an indication of things to come, nor a reason to invest in that future.
The difference between bad and good in the NFL is so thin. And we've seen 7 other times in full view the talent/age trajectories between QB and team don't line up well for the Giants.
No predictions or projections, but if, perhaps a big if, the protection holds up as it did last night, let’s see where Eli really is at this point in his career, when he finally has the time.
He had time and averaged 6 yards per passing attempt, and barely beat a 2 win team that turned it over twice - once in their own zone.
We know where Eli is at in his career.
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I hate seeing Manning get pounded into the turf. Watching him play good football is a pleasure.
But playing well against a bottom 3 team, isn't an indication of things to come, nor a reason to invest in that future.
The difference between bad and good in the NFL is so thin. And we've seen 7 other times in full view the talent/age trajectories between QB and team don't line up well for the Giants.
No predictions or projections, but if, perhaps a big if, the protection holds up as it did last night, let’s see where Eli really is at this point in his career, when he finally has the time.
He had time and averaged 6 yards per passing attempt, and barely beat a 2 win team that turned it over twice - once in their own zone.
We know where Eli is at in his career.
Take a look around the league. See how many times this year Brady and Rodgers FOR EXAMPLE, have averaged between 6-7 yards per attempt. Seriously, actually go look. No, I’m not comparing Eli to these guys, but when I bring this point up, it’s met with, “yeah, but he threw for 3-4 TDs, that’s what matters.” Got it
Just makes ya laugh anymore.
Eli plays a good game and leads a game winning TD drive, and his critics cite the fact he didn’t put up enough fantasy stats as evidence he didn’t play that well.
If 188 yards and 3 TDs and a game winning drive isn’t good enough, imagine the way this place would have been in the Phil Simms era
...who is receding further and further in the Giants rear view mirror.
A lot of pixels for a guy who will be out of the game at the end of this season.
Eli wasn't bad, and at times, he was downright good. But again, we were breath away from a bad 23-20 loss with about 150 passing yards (had the game ended on a 4th-and-long incompletion). Eli checked down a bunch tonight and he should of audibled when OBJ was left all alone in the red zone. There were a few "WTF" passes in the game, not just one.
The danger here is - like Gettleman - fans will point to 1-out-4 games and say, "See, we can still win with Eli!"
This is the same mindset John Mara has too.
It's time to move on.
I never said it wasn't time to move on. Just saying there's no need to go out of your way looking for things to criticize.
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Again, I predicted this in my game preview, and I predicted the reaction.
Eli wasn't bad, and at times, he was downright good. But again, we were breath away from a bad 23-20 loss with about 150 passing yards (had the game ended on a 4th-and-long incompletion). Eli checked down a bunch tonight and he should of audibled when OBJ was left all alone in the red zone. There were a few "WTF" passes in the game, not just one.
The danger here is - like Gettleman - fans will point to 1-out-4 games and say, "See, we can still win with Eli!"
This is the same mindset John Mara has too.
It's time to move on.
I never said it wasn't time to move on. Just saying there's no need to go out of your way looking for things to criticize.
Yep
Ogletree not being able to cover me
Collins with one of the worst performances of his career
Vernon playing like an absolute bum
STs had 3 costly penalties
We didnt sack a rookie QB once.
BBI never disappoints.
What I mind is when people make ridiculous fucking statements:
If they weren’t playing a bottom three team in the league they lose by double digits with the performance tonight.
Teams that’s score under 30 points and pass for under 200 yards are 88-130 (.404) the last two years.
If you tally up all of the QB's with 180+ yards, 3 TD's and no turnovers, I'm going to bet that 75% of those games are wins.
You really seem to think that isn't true. Shows both how biased you are against Eli as well as how big of a fucking moron you are.
Booger got on Eli pretty good last night. He was right that he can still play but needs more from his team now. Eli with the 2008 Giants line and running game could be at a high level this year. The problem is the Giants are far from creating that type of supporting team and it is best to move on as it is going to take some years to strengthen the LOS on both sides. In the interim, relax and pull for him to finish out the year with some dignity. I was pretty happy to see him smiling post game.
Admittingly I'm like a moth to a bright light when I see a dorgan post
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I hate seeing Manning get pounded into the turf. Watching him play good football is a pleasure.
But playing well against a bottom 3 team, isn't an indication of things to come, nor a reason to invest in that future.
The difference between bad and good in the NFL is so thin. And we've seen 7 other times in full view the talent/age trajectories between QB and team don't line up well for the Giants.
No predictions or projections, but if, perhaps a big if, the protection holds up as it did last night, let’s see where Eli really is at this point in his career, when he finally has the time.
He had time and averaged 6 yards per passing attempt, and barely beat a 2 win team that turned it over twice - once in their own zone.
We know where Eli is at in his career.
Take a look around the league. See how many times this year Brady and Rodgers FOR EXAMPLE, have averaged between 6-7 yards per attempt. Seriously, actually go look. No, I’m not comparing Eli to these guys, but when I bring this point up, it’s met with, “yeah, but he threw for 3-4 TDs, that’s what matters.” Got it
Both the Pats and Packers are having down years on offense and still:
Aaron Rodgers has done it 3 times this year and they are 0-2-1 in those games.
Tom Brady has done it 2 times this year, they are 0-2 in those games.
Eli has done it 6 times in 9 games and they are 1-5 in those games. In fact teams this year that average 6.5 ypa or less are 22-58-1. It’s not a winnable formula in 2018.
Ogletree not being able to cover me
Collins with one of the worst performances of his career
Vernon playing like an absolute bum
STs had 3 costly penalties
We didnt sack a rookie QB once.
BBI never disappoints.
You’re not wrong, just in the wrong thread for those points.
What I mind is when people make ridiculous fucking statements:
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What you don’t like the name calling when it’s to you?
If they weren’t playing a bottom three team in the league they lose by double digits with the performance tonight.
Teams that’s score under 30 points and pass for under 200 yards are 88-130 (.404) the last two years.
If you tally up all of the QB's with 180+ yards, 3 TD's and no turnovers, I'm going to bet that 75% of those games are wins.
You really seem to think that isn't true. Shows both how biased you are against Eli as well as how big of a fucking moron you are.
Why does it matter who gets the TDs? Points are points. That situation has happened 5 times in 2 years, and two of the four wins the winning team scored 30+ points.
I would rather this team make the necessary changes that result in this team actually being relevant moving forward. If this team was even remotely competent this season we would be fighting for a division title.
He's on the way out, you're going to get your wish. Just like you did with Tom Coughlin. Let the Coughlin thing be a lesson. Yeah, maybe it was time for him to go, too, but what has followed has been absolutely terrible.
The fact that you sh-t on these guys when they're down says a lot more about you than anybody else.
This is a Giants fan site. Eli Manning is one of the greatest Giants of all time. You got nothing nice to say about seeing the guy get it done a lost couple of times? Then show some respect and shut up.
There's no need to downplay his accomplishments. It's coming to an end, anyway. This year or next.
Let people enjoy the end of his career if they want.