keyed on him. He was very good for about two-thirds of the game, and then started to falter. He was probably tired from all the back and forth traveling between the coasts. It was also his first game in a long while, and first for the Giants. Good job. Solid start.
But still not great, that hold on the screen pass was rock fucking stupid.
Overall the pass protection was way way better tonight than it's been all season though.. but the niners aren't exactly known for a ferocious pass rush so... congrats?
But overall he was stout in pass pro and did an excellent job in passing off and recognizing combo blocks up front. One of the big issues that Greco and Pulley had and Greco and Omameh had was sliding to pick up twists and stunts. Halapio actually didn't do that poorly but Omameh missed a lot of the switches inside. It was ONE GAME, but Pulley and Brown seemed to communicate better inside on twists and dogs and pass off when necessary and double when needed. The 49ers aren't the 85 Bears but that front 4 is HUGE and sack hungry and those two did the best job of zone blocking from any OC and RG combo we had all year.
Arik Armstead completely blew him up on that one sack
But hey, the guy is on a brand new team, learning a new offense and is probably jet-lagged as fuck from traveling back and forth from East to West Coast. I'm not judging him on tonight's game. He gets a pass.
That none of our guys do is after Saquon was tackled JB would go over and help him up. Little detail but I don’t remember the last time one of our lineman did that and I like it. That’s what olineman should do. I forgot what game I was watching I think it was the patriots titans game but someone hit late or dirty and the Oline went crazy protecting their guy. We need Guys like that. That we protect everyone vibe
But overall he was stout in pass pro and did an excellent job in passing off and recognizing combo blocks up front. One of the big issues that Greco and Pulley had and Greco and Omameh had was sliding to pick up twists and stunts. Halapio actually didn't do that poorly but Omameh missed a lot of the switches inside. It was ONE GAME, but Pulley and Brown seemed to communicate better inside on twists and dogs and pass off when necessary and double when needed. The 49ers aren't the 85 Bears but that front 4 is HUGE and sack hungry and those two did the best job of zone blocking from any OC and RG combo we had all year.
But overall he was stout in pass pro and did an excellent job in passing off and recognizing combo blocks up front. One of the big issues that Greco and Pulley had and Greco and Omameh had was sliding to pick up twists and stunts. Halapio actually didn't do that poorly but Omameh missed a lot of the switches inside. It was ONE GAME, but Pulley and Brown seemed to communicate better inside on twists and dogs and pass off when necessary and double when needed. The 49ers aren't the 85 Bears but that front 4 is HUGE and sack hungry and those two did the best job of zone blocking from any OC and RG combo we had all year.
Excellent post. I think the primary example of him picking up a switch inside was the TD pass to Odell. A Niner would have had a sack had it not been for Jamon sliding to the left and getting a body on him.
Hard not to be and no reason to get overly excited going forward, but he was clearly better than anything we've thrown out at RG and it was noticeable.
But overall he was stout in pass pro and did an excellent job in passing off and recognizing combo blocks up front. One of the big issues that Greco and Pulley had and Greco and Omameh had was sliding to pick up twists and stunts. Halapio actually didn't do that poorly but Omameh missed a lot of the switches inside. It was ONE GAME, but Pulley and Brown seemed to communicate better inside on twists and dogs and pass off when necessary and double when needed. The 49ers aren't the 85 Bears but that front 4 is HUGE and sack hungry and those two did the best job of zone blocking from any OC and RG combo we had all year.
Excellent post. I think the primary example of him picking up a switch inside was the TD pass to Odell. A Niner would have had a sack had it not been for Jamon sliding to the left and getting a body on him.
Yep, and then every BBI haters would have blamed Eli for the sack. Brown played a excellent game with shitty OL teammates.
Overall it was lightyears better than what we have seen in the past few years.
For the most part he stymied the inside rushers. He picked up/passed off stunts and blitzes. He made Pulley look a lot better.
Eli had more time, and even stepped up a few times, as well as rolled to that side.
One pressure, he didn't get in good position in time to pick up a stunt. He still got a piece of his man enough that Eli got the ball away. The other pressure, he didn't set his base and got pushed back on a bull rush, again he slowed his man and Eli got the ball off. On the sack, there was clearly some miscommunication between him and Pulley. The NT slanted towards Brown and a LB tried to blitz right behind. The LB ran into his own man and slid around Brown. Neither Pulley nor Brown did a good job on the NT who split them. The NT slapped away Brown's punch, and I have no idea what Pulley was doing. In the end they have to share the fault on that one.
On running plays to his side, as far as I could see he always got decent push, or at least turned his guy away from the hole.
He also had some nice double teams with Pulley where they drove the DT back, and Brown peeled off and got somebody on the next level. Plays didn't go for more usually because either Wheeler or the TE missed their blocks.
On running plays away, he showed good movement to cut off pursuit, and create traffic.
Like I said earlier it was a solid outing especially for being with the team for such a short time.
If Brown keeps this up, the Giants should resign before the season is over and push as much of the contract on this year as possible.
In watching Brown I got to see some of Pulley. Pulley is NOT stout, but he is athletic. He showed the ability to peel off and get to the next level, as well as pull and block in space. In the running game he needs help in the form of double teams, and he struggles pass blocking with a a DL lined up on his nose. If he gets stronger and improves some of his technique (needs to play lower and improve his punch) he could do well. However this is his 2nd year in the league, so he's had a off season of pro level training, so I am not sure how much stronger he can get.
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Arik Armstead completely blew him up on that one sack
But hey, the guy is on a brand new team, learning a new offense and is probably jet-lagged as fuck from traveling back and forth from East to West Coast. I'm not judging him on tonight's game. He gets a pass.
Interesting that you took the 1% negative from an overwhelmingly positive post and represented his post as negative.
That none of our guys do is after Saquon was tackled JB would go over and help him up. Little detail but I don’t remember the last time one of our lineman did that and I like it. That’s what olineman should do. I forgot what game I was watching I think it was the patriots titans game but someone hit late or dirty and the Oline went crazy protecting their guy. We need Guys like that. That we protect everyone vibe
You need to watch closer. Hernandez has been there throughout the season to help SB up. On a play last night, SB was getting some extra attention by the defender after the whistle. Will was right there and moved the guy like he was opening a door. The guy turned his head ready to protest and saw Will realizing then that he wanted nothing further to do with him.
Had a couple of bifs but I think he is a keeper. Sign him now DG!
It was nice to see on that block he got beat inside reset his feet and got the block pushing the guy past Eli. Havent seen one OL on this team recover and not give up.
Anyone else is looking at Eli while the guy he missed is sacking him. Im so sick of our empty handed O linemen facing the QB.
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Arik Armstead completely blew him up on that one sack
But hey, the guy is on a brand new team, learning a new offense and is probably jet-lagged as fuck from traveling back and forth from East to West Coast. I'm not judging him on tonight's game. He gets a pass.
Interesting that you took the 1% negative from an overwhelmingly positive post and represented his post as negative. [/quote
Like he brought a lot more to the line than just himself, he brought a mindset and suddenly, stunts didn't just turn into sacks.
I like what I saw, agreed, it's just the niners but a huge improvement. Good pick up DG
granted, our grading of Giants offensive lineman is on a curve at this point for how bad they've been for years. That said, for me, the rest of this season should be about evaluation to see who can be here next year.
We know they are going to be drafting high, but I never thought they would pick #1 this season. The schedule lightens up a bit and the Giants still do have a lot of individual talent that can make plays and they did last night. I actually think that the Giants will blow out Tampa on Sunday. It's been years since the Giants dominated a game, and look at Buffalo last week. The odds are that one game things will click, and I think it will be Sunday.
So if you can get out of your head that they might pick somewhere from 3rd to 5th or 6th, look at this team to see what players can be here next year. Brown is not only playing for a job now, but next year as well. If he can hold up, as the Giants you can at least hope to say you have your guards set for next year. And Solder probably stays. So now you start crossing off glaring needs. Let's see how he does the rest of the season but at least you can look at him and say he belongs on the field, we never thought that with Omameh.
It was by no means a perfect game but there was a lot more good than bad. Especially given the short turnaround on the roster. The OL overall took a step forward and I think it's a product of not having a complete sieve at RG. I'm hoping he and Pulley continue to get better. If one or both can factor into the OL equation (even if it' just as depth or competition) that will take a lot of pressure off the front office this offseason.
"Pulley is NOT stout, but he is athletic. He showed the ability to peel off and get to the next level, as well as pull and block in space. In the running game he needs help in the form of double teams, and he struggles pass blocking with a a DL lined up on his nose. If he gets stronger and improves some of his technique (needs to play lower and improve his punch) he could do well. However this is his 2nd year in the league, so he's had a off season of pro level training, so I am not sure how much stronger he can get."
This reminds me so much of what we saw with Richburg. Richburg never seemed to get stronger at the POA either, but he too was pretty athletic. They're very similar in that respect. I would still like to see the Giants bring in an Center that can control the middle and get push. Perhaps Hilapio could come back and be that?!
Im with you bradshaw....I repeated your proclamation to my Dad during the game and he belly laughed at me....fat old fuck (love ya Dad).
Shurmur looked like such a putzo on the sidelines too. Lol
I mean, we are all fans right? I'm giving myself a reason to believe. Sure, I'm probably wrong, but damn if I don't love winning. Win Baby Win!!! Tell your dad to bELIeve!!!
Nobody is putting him in the pro bowl yet. He was cut because he was Wally Pipp'd by a guy playing at an All Pro level and is in the final year of his deal. The Rams, who are right up against the cap, traded for Dante Fowler and needed to fit him in. They elected to release highly paid depth with only 8 games left on his deal to make it work.
Over Jerry, Omameh, and Greco. He took a lot of pressure off of Pulley and if it wasn’t for Brown the first td by Beckham would have been a sack. He starts off blocking his man then picked up another blitzed up the middle and deviated him away from Eli to the left. It was very refreshing to see an OL with that awareness.
I thought that they should have put Greco back at center but as others have said, Pulley looked better with a competent guard.
So I think we keep him (Brown) around but is is possible we aren't forced to address center in free agency? We bring back Pulley and Halapio and at worst have them compete. At best, a highly rated center drops to us.
After seasons of poor o-line play, it's nice to see that we may have Â
that he should by no means stop us from pursuing an upgrade. I would prefer draft, I don't see any decent centers in FA....
He has issues with both strength and technique. IF he improves both he might become Sean O'Hara... But that would require improvement in both. Not sure if that is possible or not with him.
I agree on upgrading the center position with someone who can Â
keyed on him. He was very good for about two-thirds of the game, and then started to falter. He was probably tired from all the back and forth traveling between the coasts. It was also his first game in a long while, and first for the Giants. Good job. Solid start.
I agree with this take - he was solid well into the third quarter. For some reason, his struggles were late in the game. I also wondered if he was tiring. I also wondered if there were offensive adjustments and maybe he got thinking instead of reacting. I noticed on one play where he was beat that his feet were out of position. It appeared he was just a half-step behind. I went back and looked and it appeared as though there was just a tiny bit of hesitation after the snap, almost like he was uncertain about something. By the time he moved into his blocking assignment his man had the step on him and it was over.
I'll see if I can get a clip to point it out, but I'm really busy today and might not remember tomorrow.
I didn't key on him for much of the game. I'll have to wait to hear more from others that did.
Overall the pass protection was way way better tonight than it's been all season though.. but the niners aren't exactly known for a ferocious pass rush so... congrats?
I hope you like Jamon too.
But hey, the guy is on a brand new team, learning a new offense and is probably jet-lagged as fuck from traveling back and forth from East to West Coast. I'm not judging him on tonight's game. He gets a pass.
We held onto garbage for way too long.
Nice post.
Excellent post. I think the primary example of him picking up a switch inside was the TD pass to Odell. A Niner would have had a sack had it not been for Jamon sliding to the left and getting a body on him.
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But overall he was stout in pass pro and did an excellent job in passing off and recognizing combo blocks up front. One of the big issues that Greco and Pulley had and Greco and Omameh had was sliding to pick up twists and stunts. Halapio actually didn't do that poorly but Omameh missed a lot of the switches inside. It was ONE GAME, but Pulley and Brown seemed to communicate better inside on twists and dogs and pass off when necessary and double when needed. The 49ers aren't the 85 Bears but that front 4 is HUGE and sack hungry and those two did the best job of zone blocking from any OC and RG combo we had all year.
Excellent post. I think the primary example of him picking up a switch inside was the TD pass to Odell. A Niner would have had a sack had it not been for Jamon sliding to the left and getting a body on him.
Yep, and then every BBI haters would have blamed Eli for the sack. Brown played a excellent game with shitty OL teammates.
Im with you bradshaw....I repeated your proclamation to my Dad during the game and he belly laughed at me....fat old fuck (love ya Dad).
Shurmur looked like such a putzo on the sidelines too. Lol
Over the pretenders that have played the position lately.
Once he figures out the plays, I think he will be solid.
Let's hope they continue to improve
Good to know....thanks.
I DVRed it and specifically watched him.
Overall it was lightyears better than what we have seen in the past few years.
For the most part he stymied the inside rushers. He picked up/passed off stunts and blitzes. He made Pulley look a lot better.
Eli had more time, and even stepped up a few times, as well as rolled to that side.
One pressure, he didn't get in good position in time to pick up a stunt. He still got a piece of his man enough that Eli got the ball away. The other pressure, he didn't set his base and got pushed back on a bull rush, again he slowed his man and Eli got the ball off. On the sack, there was clearly some miscommunication between him and Pulley. The NT slanted towards Brown and a LB tried to blitz right behind. The LB ran into his own man and slid around Brown. Neither Pulley nor Brown did a good job on the NT who split them. The NT slapped away Brown's punch, and I have no idea what Pulley was doing. In the end they have to share the fault on that one.
On running plays to his side, as far as I could see he always got decent push, or at least turned his guy away from the hole.
He also had some nice double teams with Pulley where they drove the DT back, and Brown peeled off and got somebody on the next level. Plays didn't go for more usually because either Wheeler or the TE missed their blocks.
On running plays away, he showed good movement to cut off pursuit, and create traffic.
Like I said earlier it was a solid outing especially for being with the team for such a short time.
If Brown keeps this up, the Giants should resign before the season is over and push as much of the contract on this year as possible.
In watching Brown I got to see some of Pulley. Pulley is NOT stout, but he is athletic. He showed the ability to peel off and get to the next level, as well as pull and block in space. In the running game he needs help in the form of double teams, and he struggles pass blocking with a a DL lined up on his nose. If he gets stronger and improves some of his technique (needs to play lower and improve his punch) he could do well. However this is his 2nd year in the league, so he's had a off season of pro level training, so I am not sure how much stronger he can get.
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tonight. Was it Brown? Some bye-week coaching? The Niners?Hope not just the latter.
I hope you like Jamon too.
But hey, the guy is on a brand new team, learning a new offense and is probably jet-lagged as fuck from traveling back and forth from East to West Coast. I'm not judging him on tonight's game. He gets a pass.
Interesting that you took the 1% negative from an overwhelmingly positive post and represented his post as negative.
You need to watch closer. Hernandez has been there throughout the season to help SB up. On a play last night, SB was getting some extra attention by the defender after the whistle. Will was right there and moved the guy like he was opening a door. The guy turned his head ready to protest and saw Will realizing then that he wanted nothing further to do with him.
It was nice to see on that block he got beat inside reset his feet and got the block pushing the guy past Eli. Havent seen one OL on this team recover and not give up.
Anyone else is looking at Eli while the guy he missed is sacking him. Im so sick of our empty handed O linemen facing the QB.
Jamon Brown picking up the stunt - ( New Window )
Thanks for linking this. Yes, number 54 was stuffed. The same guy who got to watch SB catch and run on that big 4th q pass.
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Arik Armstead completely blew him up on that one sack
But hey, the guy is on a brand new team, learning a new offense and is probably jet-lagged as fuck from traveling back and forth from East to West Coast. I'm not judging him on tonight's game. He gets a pass.
Interesting that you took the 1% negative from an overwhelmingly positive post and represented his post as negative. [/quote
Except I didn't. I was making a general point.
I like what I saw, agreed, it's just the niners but a huge improvement. Good pick up DG
We know they are going to be drafting high, but I never thought they would pick #1 this season. The schedule lightens up a bit and the Giants still do have a lot of individual talent that can make plays and they did last night. I actually think that the Giants will blow out Tampa on Sunday. It's been years since the Giants dominated a game, and look at Buffalo last week. The odds are that one game things will click, and I think it will be Sunday.
So if you can get out of your head that they might pick somewhere from 3rd to 5th or 6th, look at this team to see what players can be here next year. Brown is not only playing for a job now, but next year as well. If he can hold up, as the Giants you can at least hope to say you have your guards set for next year. And Solder probably stays. So now you start crossing off glaring needs. Let's see how he does the rest of the season but at least you can look at him and say he belongs on the field, we never thought that with Omameh.
This reminds me so much of what we saw with Richburg. Richburg never seemed to get stronger at the POA either, but he too was pretty athletic. They're very similar in that respect. I would still like to see the Giants bring in an Center that can control the middle and get push. Perhaps Hilapio could come back and be that?!
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The final piece.
Im with you bradshaw....I repeated your proclamation to my Dad during the game and he belly laughed at me....fat old fuck (love ya Dad).
Shurmur looked like such a putzo on the sidelines too. Lol
I mean, we are all fans right? I'm giving myself a reason to believe. Sure, I'm probably wrong, but damn if I don't love winning. Win Baby Win!!! Tell your dad to bELIeve!!!
Nobody is putting him in the pro bowl yet. He was cut because he was Wally Pipp'd by a guy playing at an All Pro level and is in the final year of his deal. The Rams, who are right up against the cap, traded for Dante Fowler and needed to fit him in. They elected to release highly paid depth with only 8 games left on his deal to make it work.
hahahahaha....sure he could
So I think we keep him (Brown) around but is is possible we aren't forced to address center in free agency? We bring back Pulley and Halapio and at worst have them compete. At best, a highly rated center drops to us.
He has issues with both strength and technique. IF he improves both he might become Sean O'Hara... But that would require improvement in both. Not sure if that is possible or not with him.
I agree with this take - he was solid well into the third quarter. For some reason, his struggles were late in the game. I also wondered if he was tiring. I also wondered if there were offensive adjustments and maybe he got thinking instead of reacting. I noticed on one play where he was beat that his feet were out of position. It appeared he was just a half-step behind. I went back and looked and it appeared as though there was just a tiny bit of hesitation after the snap, almost like he was uncertain about something. By the time he moved into his blocking assignment his man had the step on him and it was over.
I'll see if I can get a clip to point it out, but I'm really busy today and might not remember tomorrow.