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Mullens wants a personal foul called on final play

Bramton1 : 11/13/2018 2:12 am
Watched the last play several times, and for the life of me, I can't see anything that could have warranted a penalty on the Giants.

Wishful thinking, sense of entitlement, or valid argument?
Athlete caught up in the moment?  
Hsilwek92 : 11/13/2018 2:16 am : link
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Exactly  
KWALL2 : 11/13/2018 2:33 am : link
“Wishful thinking, sense of entitlement, or valid argument?”

This is exactly what I was thinking. All of the above.
Ya I mean  
You'reMyBoyBlue!! : 11/13/2018 4:10 am : link
The 22 year old kid was clearly just hoping for some lame "they touched me" roughing call vs...the game is over.

Completely understandable
The carter penalty  
Paulie Walnuts : 11/13/2018 6:39 am : link
Was bullshit
RE: The carter penalty  
Mike in NY : 11/13/2018 6:52 am : link
In comment 14175509 Paulie Walnuts said:
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Was bullshit


I think the announcers said it best, the issue was the additional force at the very end even though QB had obviously thrown the ball. Had Carter not added that extra oomph at the end it likely doesn’t get flagged. Personally I don’t like the new rule, but is clear that league brass want to cut down the extra force driving into the ground when QB is not going to throw while parallel with the ground.
RE: The carter penalty  
BillT : 11/13/2018 6:53 am : link
In comment 14175509 Paulie Walnuts said:
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Was bullshit

Absolutely. A perfectly clean tackle and he didn’t land on him either. Terrible call.
Bummer  
Jints in Carolina : 11/13/2018 6:58 am : link
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The way they are calling roughing the passer this year  
jgambrosio : 11/13/2018 6:58 am : link
The Carter call was 100% right, don't be a Homer.
RE: The carter penalty  
section125 : 11/13/2018 6:58 am : link
In comment 14175509 Paulie Walnuts said:
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Was bullshit


But, but, he tackled the QB. That's a penalty now, isn't it?

Effin NFL.

Fighting through an OT, and hitting the QB as the ball is coming out and then calling a penalty for hitting too hard? Does this league really think 260 lbers can just stop their momentum? apparently so.
In a game of split seconds, to expect a rushing player to pull up microseconds before or during the tackle is moronic.

Yet a WR lowers his head to make a tackle (clear violation of the rule) after the INT and no call even though he knocked himself out.
RE: The way they are calling roughing the passer this year  
lecky : 11/13/2018 7:35 am : link
In comment 14175527 jgambrosio said:
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The Carter call was 100% right, don't be a Homer.


Have to agree. The tackle did look a little violent at the end. He will learn to relax after the initial contact. Unfortunately that will lose him some tackles but that is the new rule. I do have to say that this league without QB's would suck so I cant blame them
RE: RE: The carter penalty  
giants#1 : 11/13/2018 7:38 am : link
In comment 14175519 Mike in NY said:
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Was bullshit



I think the announcers said it best, the issue was the additional force at the very end even though QB had obviously thrown the ball. Had Carter not added that extra oomph at the end it likely doesn’t get flagged. Personally I don’t like the new rule, but is clear that league brass want to cut down the extra force driving into the ground when QB is not going to throw while parallel with the ground.


I disagree. I thought he was flagged for going high. Didn't get him in the helmet but he was close and wrapped him up just below the neck. Either way, that's a 50-50 call this year.

Speaking of going high, I thought the Ogletree flag was bull, but if they're calling that then I'm not sure how Goodwin doesn't get flagged for leading with his helmet 2 plays later. The 'tackle' on Goodson was exactly what they're trying to eliminate.
RE: RE: The carter penalty  
Rjanyg : 11/13/2018 7:39 am : link
In comment 14175528 section125 said:
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Was bullshit



But, but, he tackled the QB. That's a penalty now, isn't it?

Effin NFL.

Fighting through an OT, and hitting the QB as the ball is coming out and then calling a penalty for hitting too hard? Does this league really think 260 lbers can just stop their momentum? apparently so.
In a game of split seconds, to expect a rushing player
to pull up microseconds before or during the tackle is moronic.

Yet a WR lowers his head to make a tackle (clear violation of the rule) after the INT and no call even though he knocked himself out.

Excellent post. Not sure that plying football is allowed anymore if you can't hit the QB as he is releasing the ball. I personally don't want any Vince Young vs. Kiwi plays ever again. Get him down!
Carter  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/13/2018 7:42 am : link
He seemed pretty active last night. Good sign moving forward. Be nice to have one of the LB spots identified with a player.
Please don't tell me someone bought Booger's additional force bullshit  
WillieYoung : 11/13/2018 8:03 am : link
How do you apply additional force when you have launched yourself and are airborn?
if we killed some clock at the other end this would all be mute  
gtt350 : 11/13/2018 8:06 am : link
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"I can't see anythng that could have warrantd a penalty on the Giants"  
short lease : 11/13/2018 8:07 am : link

And, that is why they didn't call it .... ???!
RE: if we killed some clock at the other end this would all be mute  
Jints in Carolina : 11/13/2018 8:17 am : link
In comment 14175584 gtt350 said:
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No shit. Clock management continues to be terrible.
RE: The way they are calling roughing the passer this year  
allstarjim : 11/13/2018 10:29 am : link
In comment 14175527 jgambrosio said:
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The Carter call was 100% right, don't be a Homer.


Agreed. It's the body weight. He had the majority of his body weight on top of the QB as he took him to the ground. It's roughing. I hate the rule, but it was an appropriate flag.
RE: RE: The carter penalty  
Beezer : 11/13/2018 10:32 am : link
In comment 14175522 BillT said:
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Was bullshit


Absolutely. A perfectly clean tackle and he didn’t land on him either. Terrible call.


He didn't land on him?

Uh ...

Hey, I don't like the rule, myself. But if you're calling it "by the rule," it was a penalty, pretty clearly. You have to let up a bit and not drive the guy into the dirt. Carter hit him hard and clean, then finished all the way through, which is now a no-no. Sucks, but thta's the deal.
To quote Steve Mariucci..  
That’s Gold, Jerry : 11/13/2018 10:33 am : link
"Bummer"
RE: The way they are calling roughing the passer this year  
jcn56 : 11/13/2018 10:38 am : link
In comment 14175527 jgambrosio said:
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The Carter call was 100% right, don't be a Homer.


Agreed. The rule itself is bullshit and subjective, but given what they've been calling this year, the Carter flag was the right call.
That call has been the same for years.....  
Doomster : 11/13/2018 10:43 am : link
Remember when Wentz was driven into the ground by OV, and he went out of the game for a concussion? It was a sack, but OV drove him into the ground....

Not intentional by Carter, but a high tackle like that is going to drive a qb into the ground every time.....and of course, you compare that to the patty cake push by Wynn on Cam Newton, and you have to shake your head....
RE: That call has been the same for years.....  
allstarjim : 11/13/2018 11:02 am : link
In comment 14175973 Doomster said:
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Remember when Wentz was driven into the ground by OV, and he went out of the game for a concussion? It was a sack, but OV drove him into the ground....

Not intentional by Carter, but a high tackle like that is going to drive a qb into the ground every time.....and of course, you compare that to the patty cake push by Wynn on Cam Newton, and you have to shake your head....


Incorrect, they just changed the rule prior to this year. The Carter hit was clean until the contact with the ground. You can't land or continue with most of your body weight on the QB through the ground.

And yes, defenders actually can roll off and finish the tackle without doing so.
When you guys figure out how to break the laws  
SHO'NUFF : 11/13/2018 11:11 am : link
of physics, then tell me it's a penalty.
The Carter penalty was a bad call  
eclipz928 : 11/13/2018 11:13 am : link
The point of emphasis was on players driving QBs in to the ground with the full weight of their body (basically chest-to-chest). That didn't happen on that play.
RE: RE: That call has been the same for years.....  
Eman11 : 11/13/2018 11:30 am : link
In comment 14176043 allstarjim said:
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Remember when Wentz was driven into the ground by OV, and he went out of the game for a concussion? It was a sack, but OV drove him into the ground....

Not intentional by Carter, but a high tackle like that is going to drive a qb into the ground every time.....and of course, you compare that to the patty cake push by Wynn on Cam Newton, and you have to shake your head....



Incorrect, they just changed the rule prior to this year. The Carter hit was clean until the contact with the ground. You can't land or continue with most of your body weight on the QB through the ground.

And yes, defenders actually can roll off and finish the tackle without doing so.


Except Carter didn't land or continue with most of his body weight on Mullens. He had one arm wrapped around him up high and had his body off to the side.

Looked to me to be perfectly fine by rule with Carter only being guilty of being too strong for Mullens and overpowered him with just the one arm wrapped around him as he took him to the ground.
RE: RE: The carter penalty  
clatterbuck : 11/13/2018 2:01 pm : link
In comment 14175522 BillT said:
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Was bullshit


Absolutely. A perfectly clean tackle and he didn’t land on him either. Terrible call.


He did land on him and with emphasis. It's the rule such as it is and I don't think it was a bad call.
RE: if we killed some clock at the other end this would all be mute  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/13/2018 2:25 pm : link
In comment 14175584 gtt350 said:
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