Is arguably a top 3 TE in the league. And I’d honestly put him #1 when it comes to being a complete TE. Dude is an absolute hoss in the run game along with being a pass catching threat. Week in and week out he’s the 49ers biggest weapon and no one seems capable of stopping him.
He's been nothing like he was advertised to be so far.
On another note - why is it that, regardless of what scheme a guy runs before he gets here, every defensive coordinator uses the same gameplan here?
A blitzer extraordinaire like Bettcher should've had something ready for Mullens. Kittle's been the guy all year for SF and we acted like we had no idea who he was. He's their #1 option and our answer was to line Collins 1on1 with him like he's Rhett Ellison.
Kittle has quickly developed into one of the Top TEs in the NFL Â
a 5th round pick in the same draft that brought us Engram at number 1 ?
You are correct sir!
Yet everybody cries when we pick a RB in round one because we can always find one in the later rounds like the Saints did with Kamara. And we picked Engram in the first round of a deep TE draft.
And the kicker? Engram isn't even a full-time TE. He's an H-Back who ran a 4.4 so Reese had to have him, even with his OLine in shambles and multiple starting OLs on the board.
cover TE's, RB's, whatever.....they don't have to be named Kittle....yet let's sign him to a big contract....
When will we ever get a TE to move the chains?
Engram? Besides dropsies, does not run precise patterns, does not fight to make the hard catch, and his speed is grossly exaggerated.....I never see separation in coverage on him.....he may "time" well, but not with football gear on...
was beaten multiple times. That's very true.
After the first two-three times those beatings are on his coach. When you're asking a guy to do something he's incapable of and there's a remedy available to help him and you don't use it... that's on you coach.
was beaten multiple times. That's very true.
After the first two-three times those beatings are on his coach. When you're asking a guy to do something he's incapable of and there's a remedy available to help him and you don't use it... that's on you coach.
Thanks dorgan
for people saying his weakness is he can't cover... Â
He is a in the box strong safety. Earlier in the season he was also missing a bunch of tackles. His strength is at the LOS.
We can only hope he receives a contract based on that and not overpaid.
RE: for people saying his weakness is he can't cover... Â
he is abusing everyone this year. Not sure who you want to play SS for us if we let Collins go and whether you would have seen different results last night
Is arguably a top 3 TE in the league. And I’d honestly put him #1 when it comes to being a complete TE. Dude is an absolute hoss in the run game along with being a pass catching threat. Week in and week out he’s the 49ers biggest weapon and no one seems capable of stopping him.
So it’s not like Landon was playing a scrub.
This is noteworthy. Kittle is extremely underrated and arguably one of the top 3 TEs in the NFL...indeed. He’s a very tough cover.
He never seems to win when going against the better receivers in the league. I really hope the tag rumors/long term contracts are false. The guy is solidly above average.
and also trying to jump the route for an INT instead of making a tackle.
That play pissed me off. If he just allows a completion and makes a routine tackle on a ball he didn't even have a realistic shot of intercepting, they're punting to us with around a minute left in the half. Instead, the 49ers go down and score.
Imagine we lost? All the talk would be about Manning's underthrow, but this would have been the play that really turned the game around considering the defense allowed almost an 8 minute scoring drive to open the second half as well.
Collins looked like he was running flat footed last night. Â
yes he was! He is looking less and less like someone
to invest in long term. If they put a FT on him next year,
that will be in the 12 mill. range I read.
lending him to believe Eli still "has it" (and I'm not saying he does or doesn't), Gettleman needs to put on the tape of this SF game when it comes time to decide whether to extend, franchise or whatever Landon Collins. He's not worth the money he's going to command. We can get someone a hell of a lot cheaper to blow assignments against TE's, trail them in coverage, miss tackles and spout off to the media about things that should stay in the locker room. If I'm the Giants, I'm done with him after this season.
He's been nothing like he was advertised to be so far.
On another note - why is it that, regardless of what scheme a guy runs before he gets here, every defensive coordinator uses the same gameplan here?
A blitzer extraordinaire like Bettcher should've had something ready for Mullens. Kittle's been the guy all year for SF and we acted like we had no idea who he was. He's their #1 option and our answer was to line Collins 1on1 with him like he's Rhett Ellison.
Can't remember who said this, but when you're playing a young inexperienced QB, you want to drop back and play heavy coverage, force him to make the proper reads and beat you. The speed of NFL defenses and the way they disguise coverages is far beyond difficult compared to what any young guy has seen in high-school/college. Now, when you play Tom Brady/Aaron Rodgers, they're going to pick apart your coverage even if you drop 8 on every play, so you blitz them and try to throw off their timing/comfort in the pocket.
I have no problem with what Bettcher has done so far this year. Most of our problems have been on offense, they're most of the reason we are 2-7. Not to mention we traded away 2 defensive starters a couple weeks ago, including one guy who was better than anyone in the league at stopping the run.
So are the Giants are going to be paying him big dollars to him to essentially be a linebacker who just so happens to have the size and position of safety?
But for the past two seasons I don’t think he’s been particularly good against the run either. He cleans up a lot of runs a few yards after the LOS and more than a few in the defensive backfield but for my money a plus player at S is going to blow up plays behind the LOS and at the LOS. A plus S should also either be a ball hawk or a thumper and a plus S should turn the ball over and make big plays in key spots. Does Collins even blitz well? When is the last time Collins made a big play or turned the ball over in a big spot?
Collins is clearly a minus player in coverage but I also think he vastly overrated in the run game.
but Kittle would do that to just about any safety in man coverage.
He's the type of guy that should have someone hitting him on the line of scrimmage so he cannot get a free release.
Just a heads up, he was only in man coverage 1x. I went over a lot of the snaps here... overall its a better example of Bettcher as a coach than Collins as a player, tbh Collins Piece - ( New Window )
But George Kittle is also having a pro bowl type season (despite being on a bad team). I wouldn't read too much I'm to this game in regards to LC.
Wouldn't the Giants be paying him franchise player money at safety to prevent guys like that from NOT accumulating those totals he had last night?
what exactly is franchise player money and how do you know what the contract will end up being?
These are the same complaints that you can't make OBJ the highest player in the league. Well no shit and he didn't become the highest paid player in the league.
Collins doesn't deserve Eric Berry money and he wont get Eric Berry money. But he is absolutely the type of player you give a 2nd contract to.
but Kittle would do that to just about any safety in man coverage.
He's the type of guy that should have someone hitting him on the line of scrimmage so he cannot get a free release.
Just a heads up, he was only in man coverage 1x. I went over a lot of the snaps here... overall its a better example of Bettcher as a coach than Collins as a player, tbh Collins Piece - ( New Window )
Good post man! Makes me feel a lot better about Betcher. I still think Collins has been at average for two seasons now. But this article is a good example of the fact that what an average fan like me sees on game day isn’t the complete picture. Maybe there’s hope for Collins bouncing back with a little more help in the secondary and the rest of the defense.
but Kittle would do that to just about any safety in man coverage.
He's the type of guy that should have someone hitting him on the line of scrimmage so he cannot get a free release.
Just a heads up, he was only in man coverage 1x. I went over a lot of the snaps here... overall its a better example of Bettcher as a coach than Collins as a player, tbh Collins Piece - ( New Window )
Good post man! Makes me feel a lot better about Betcher. I still think Collins has been at average for two seasons now. But this article is a good example of the fact that what an average fan like me sees on game day isn’t the complete picture. Maybe there’s hope for Collins bouncing back with a little more help in the secondary and the rest of the defense.
He's the type of guy that should have someone hitting him on the line of scrimmage so he cannot get a free release.
So it’s not like Landon was playing a scrub.
He's been nothing like he was advertised to be so far.
On another note - why is it that, regardless of what scheme a guy runs before he gets here, every defensive coordinator uses the same gameplan here?
A blitzer extraordinaire like Bettcher should've had something ready for Mullens. Kittle's been the guy all year for SF and we acted like we had no idea who he was. He's their #1 option and our answer was to line Collins 1on1 with him like he's Rhett Ellison.
In a passing League, based on this game, we should be in no hurry to re-sign, or franchise LC.
You are correct sir!
Yet everybody cries when we pick a RB in round one because we can always find one in the later rounds like the Saints did with Kamara. And we picked Engram in the first round of a deep TE draft.
Another Reese draft blunder. God he was awful.
And the kicker? Engram isn't even a full-time TE. He's an H-Back who ran a 4.4 so Reese had to have him, even with his OLine in shambles and multiple starting OLs on the board.
They singled Kittle up against the DEs and he held his own.
It would be great if the Giants could find a really good two way TE.
When will we ever get a TE to move the chains?
Engram? Besides dropsies, does not run precise patterns, does not fight to make the hard catch, and his speed is grossly exaggerated.....I never see separation in coverage on him.....he may "time" well, but not with football gear on...
I have tried to imagine SB, EE, OBJ, SS playing in the 49 system we saw last night.
That is a system I could see Lauletta running.
After the first two-three times those beatings are on his coach. When you're asking a guy to do something he's incapable of and there's a remedy available to help him and you don't use it... that's on you coach.
After the first two-three times those beatings are on his coach. When you're asking a guy to do something he's incapable of and there's a remedy available to help him and you don't use it... that's on you coach.
Thanks dorgan
What the point of having a safety who a majority of the time is in coverage being his weakness?
That like being ok with a QB in the NFL who can't throw.
We can only hope he receives a contract based on that and not overpaid.
What the point of having a safety who a majority of the time is in coverage being his weakness?
That like being ok with a QB in the NFL who can't throw.
I kept thinking that's too bad we can't convert him to LB. He'd still be called on to cover.
Name one!
Name one!
Actually Ogletree wasn't a FA. They gave up picks for him!
So it’s not like Landon was playing a scrub.
This is noteworthy. Kittle is extremely underrated and arguably one of the top 3 TEs in the NFL...indeed. He’s a very tough cover.
That was a bad showing last night.
That play pissed me off. If he just allows a completion and makes a routine tackle on a ball he didn't even have a realistic shot of intercepting, they're punting to us with around a minute left in the half. Instead, the 49ers go down and score.
Imagine we lost? All the talk would be about Manning's underthrow, but this would have been the play that really turned the game around considering the defense allowed almost an 8 minute scoring drive to open the second half as well.
to invest in long term. If they put a FT on him next year,
that will be in the 12 mill. range I read.
They singled Kittle up against the DEs and he held his own.
It would be great if the Giants could find a really good two way TE.
Amen to that, in this day and age. I like this guy Kittle.
Run.Block.
Jeeeeeeeesus we repeat ourselves.
He's been nothing like he was advertised to be so far.
On another note - why is it that, regardless of what scheme a guy runs before he gets here, every defensive coordinator uses the same gameplan here?
A blitzer extraordinaire like Bettcher should've had something ready for Mullens. Kittle's been the guy all year for SF and we acted like we had no idea who he was. He's their #1 option and our answer was to line Collins 1on1 with him like he's Rhett Ellison.
Can't remember who said this, but when you're playing a young inexperienced QB, you want to drop back and play heavy coverage, force him to make the proper reads and beat you. The speed of NFL defenses and the way they disguise coverages is far beyond difficult compared to what any young guy has seen in high-school/college. Now, when you play Tom Brady/Aaron Rodgers, they're going to pick apart your coverage even if you drop 8 on every play, so you blitz them and try to throw off their timing/comfort in the pocket.
I have no problem with what Bettcher has done so far this year. Most of our problems have been on offense, they're most of the reason we are 2-7. Not to mention we traded away 2 defensive starters a couple weeks ago, including one guy who was better than anyone in the league at stopping the run.
Run.Block.
Jeeeeeeeesus we repeat ourselves.
That caught my eye more than the pass defense issue. He's very physical and really showed some class moving Collins.
So are the Giants are going to be paying him big dollars to him to essentially be a linebacker who just so happens to have the size and position of safety?
Does that make any sense?
Wouldn't the Giants be paying him franchise player money at safety to prevent guys like that from NOT accumulating those totals he had last night?
Collins is clearly a minus player in coverage but I also think he vastly overrated in the run game.
He's the type of guy that should have someone hitting him on the line of scrimmage so he cannot get a free release.
Just a heads up, he was only in man coverage 1x. I went over a lot of the snaps here... overall its a better example of Bettcher as a coach than Collins as a player, tbh
Collins Piece - ( New Window )
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But George Kittle is also having a pro bowl type season (despite being on a bad team). I wouldn't read too much I'm to this game in regards to LC.
Wouldn't the Giants be paying him franchise player money at safety to prevent guys like that from NOT accumulating those totals he had last night?
what exactly is franchise player money and how do you know what the contract will end up being?
These are the same complaints that you can't make OBJ the highest player in the league. Well no shit and he didn't become the highest paid player in the league.
Collins doesn't deserve Eric Berry money and he wont get Eric Berry money. But he is absolutely the type of player you give a 2nd contract to.
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but Kittle would do that to just about any safety in man coverage.
He's the type of guy that should have someone hitting him on the line of scrimmage so he cannot get a free release.
Just a heads up, he was only in man coverage 1x. I went over a lot of the snaps here... overall its a better example of Bettcher as a coach than Collins as a player, tbh Collins Piece - ( New Window )
Good post man! Makes me feel a lot better about Betcher. I still think Collins has been at average for two seasons now. But this article is a good example of the fact that what an average fan like me sees on game day isn’t the complete picture. Maybe there’s hope for Collins bouncing back with a little more help in the secondary and the rest of the defense.
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but Kittle would do that to just about any safety in man coverage.
He's the type of guy that should have someone hitting him on the line of scrimmage so he cannot get a free release.
Just a heads up, he was only in man coverage 1x. I went over a lot of the snaps here... overall its a better example of Bettcher as a coach than Collins as a player, tbh Collins Piece - ( New Window )
Good post man! Makes me feel a lot better about Betcher. I still think Collins has been at average for two seasons now. But this article is a good example of the fact that what an average fan like me sees on game day isn’t the complete picture. Maybe there’s hope for Collins bouncing back with a little more help in the secondary and the rest of the defense.