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Take-aways from last night’s game…

M.S. : 11/13/2018 10:23 am
(1) I don’t know whether it was the return of Chad Wheeler, the installment of Jamon Brown at RG or San Fran’s pass rush sucks like ours… but Eli had a comfortable pocket last night;

(2) Why this same line cannot run block for shit is beyond my comprehension and requires serious attention this off-season. We are wasting the talents of Saquon Barkley with this front;

(3) Speaking of Saquon Barkley, the sideline commentator, Booger McFarland, does not know what he is talking about when he blamed Barkley for not just taking "three yards" and choosing instead to bounce it outside. What three yards is this blabbing head talking about? Is he actually watching the game? There are no holes. Barkley is bouncing outside because our entire interior -- from tackle to tackle -- is cold-cocked at the snap;

(4) Add a premium edge rusher (or two) to our list of desperate needs come Draft/Free Agent time. Nick Mullens had a crazy amount of time to scan the field. But don’t discount the effort of Lorenzo Carter, who was very active and who will IMO be a difference-maker next season;

(5) I don’t think Matt Breida runs for so many cut-back yards with Snacks Harrison in the middle;

(6) Landon Collins was very active with several big hits, but why would the Giants throw a lot of money at this guy just because he’s a good tackler? He was exposed all night long by George Kittle. How does a defense overcome the coverage skills of Collins and Ogletree? Having both on the field at the same time is scary;

(7) Giants caught two big breaks on game-winning TD. Penalties happen like that against shit teams. We know all about that… and so do 49er fans;

(8) Watching that beautiful route by a wide-open Evan Engram and the end-around by Sterling Shepard, it looked like I was watching the LA Rams offense going to work;

(9) B.J. Goodson was very active and in the right place... twice! Without his 2 INTs, the Giants fly back to New Jersey 1-8;

(10) I don't understand all the debate on BBI about Eli Manning? He had good protection and he made some nice throws. He also missed a TD to OBJ. So, what? We all wish Eli well, but he's not in our future plans. IMO, he will retire at the end of this season.

Penalties  
5BowlsSoon : 11/13/2018 10:29 am : link
Nice to see it go our way on that last drive. Were they correct calls? Well, one looked pretty small to me....I guess it could have gone either way.

However, I’m not the best to judge these matters. I didn’t think Carters personal foul was that bad. I didn’t see him pile the qb into the ground. He grabbed him as he threw the ball.....just didn’t let up....I don’t see how that is a penalty without showing he pile drived him.
Snacks  
Dankbeerman : 11/13/2018 10:31 am : link
would have been a huge help, he would have pushed down the line like a snow plow and seal3d the cracks the others left open last night.
I thouhgt 49rs got away with some PI against Odell  
ZogZerg : 11/13/2018 10:31 am : link
that wasn't called.
Also, BS call on Giants for tackling with Shoulder.

NFL really does suck these days with the Refs and inconsistent calls.
Basically, SF just rushed 4  
Doomster : 11/13/2018 10:32 am : link
and I don't recall too many stunts......

For a first game, Brown did ok....was disappointed in his run blocking.....I expected more from what I read on BBI about him....fourth quarter he did not look too good in pass blocking....probably gassed....

There is no one on this team that can run block.....it's amazing the yardage SB gets, basically on his own....

As for Barkley, please Eli, do not check down to him, 5 yards behind the LOS.....send him out of the backfield, and make him run at a LB like Whitten did as a TE....it was so simple...he would run at a TE, get him to lean one way and break another....could do that all day with SB.....
I disagree with #3  
jcn56 : 11/13/2018 10:32 am : link
although it means agreeing with Booger, which isn't usually a good thing.

There were some runs that Barkley had that he could have taken the inside cut and had a few yards instead of trying to break off tackle and get a bigger gain (and instead get met behind the LoS for a loss).

I think that's part of the adjustment for Barkley - in college, those runs would be for gains far more often than in the NFL, where the average athleticism is much higher. By and large, the OL didn't do a great job run blocking last night, but they opened a few holes for him, and he passed on at least a couple of them in search of bigger gains outside.
there was definitely a play,  
giants#1 : 11/13/2018 10:35 am : link
2nd and 3-4 yards to go, where Barkley started left and then cut it back and should've planted his right foot and gone up field for "3-4 yards" (more likely 1-2 on this play) but instead tried bouncing it out to the right despite the defending having outside leverage. Ended up losing a couple on the play and setting up a 3rd and medium instead of 3rd and short.

Overall though, Barkley did a good job last night taking what the D gave him and (IMO) has done a much better job gaining those 3-4 yards rather than looking to bounce it as the season's progressed.

That said, SF's tackling last night was outstanding, especially by their CBs and safeties on the outside and in the open field. Seemed like the first time this year where Barkley wasn't making 2-3 guys miss on every play.
That reverse was a good idea and well executed.  
Ira : 11/13/2018 10:36 am : link
Shurmur does these kinds of plays now and then, when defenses least expect them.
RE: I thouhgt 49rs got away with some PI against Odell  
giants#1 : 11/13/2018 10:37 am : link
In comment 14175940 ZogZerg said:
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that wasn't called.
Also, BS call on Giants for tackling with Shoulder.

NFL really does suck these days with the Refs and inconsistent calls.


What I don't get is how they flag that tackling with the shoulder, but then ignore the leading with the helmet literally 2 plays later!
Why does Booger have a flying wheelchair?  
NoPeanutz : 11/13/2018 10:39 am : link
Why is this a thing that they do?
Why can't he just stand on on the sideline like every other JAG with a microphone?
Why is he there at all? God forbid Lisa Salter should have the job all to herself- ya gotta share it with an ex-player meathead I guess. For every Pam Oliver you need a Tony Siragusa.
I can't figure it out.
my take away is that Olgetree is useless  
gtt350 : 11/13/2018 10:39 am : link
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re: #7  
giants#1 : 11/13/2018 10:40 am : link
I disagree, especially with the D hold on Barkley. If the LB doesn't grab Barkley there, its an easy pitch and catch and Barkley had a LOT of open space. Easy first down and more there.

The PI on Beckham was maybe 50-50 especially since Beckham didn't even appear to be expecting the ball, but there was a lot of contact initiated by the CB there, all of it beyond 5 yards.
RE: Why does Booger have a flying wheelchair?  
giants#1 : 11/13/2018 10:42 am : link
In comment 14175963 NoPeanutz said:
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Why is this a thing that they do?
Why can't he just stand on on the sideline like every other JAG with a microphone?
Why is he there at all? God forbid Lisa Salter should have the job all to herself- ya gotta share it with an ex-player meathead I guess. For every Pam Oliver you need a Tony Siragusa.
I can't figure it out.


I'd get rid of both, but at least in Booger's case he's actually adding commentary (albeit shitty commentary). Siragusa and the other sideline reporters rarely provide(d) anything other than repeating some stock responses from the coaches after halftime.

And if they want Booger for a 3rd announcer (needed because Witten sucks?), then just put all 3 in the booth.
Why was Ogletree  
Gman11 : 11/13/2018 10:52 am : link
in the game during the last minute drive by the 49ers? He sucks in coverage and with no time outs the 49ers more than likely were not going to run any draws or inside screens. Why they didn't blitz the hell out of Mullens on that last drive is also beyond me. The 49ers moved down to the Giants' 20. The freakin' 20! The last play of the game was badly over thrown. Why? Because they blitzed and Mullens panicked.
I took away that......  
Tom [Giants fan] : 11/13/2018 11:36 am : link
last night was the last night game of the year. 1pm starts from here on out!!
Two bad  
Jerry in DC : 11/13/2018 11:45 am : link
teams played a close game and one of them won. Somehow a lot of people showed up to watch in person.

Giants ol was not a complete shit show. Odell is good. Their qb wasn't horrible. Lost season for SF with Jimmy g hurt. Lost season for nyg with our various dysfunctionality.

Audience tuning in for gambling implications mostly.
I have been watching  
LS : 11/13/2018 11:46 am : link
all the Giants games with the sound off, and with music playing on the radio. At this point, I really don't need anyone to tell me what's going on. Or do I want to listen to any of their narratives. Especially from someone named Booger.
RE: Why was Ogletree  
JFIB : 11/13/2018 11:57 am : link
In comment 14175998 Gman11 said:
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in the game during the last minute drive by the 49ers? He sucks in coverage and with no time outs the 49ers more than likely were not going to run any draws or inside screens. Why they didn't blitz the hell out of Mullens on that last drive is also beyond me. The 49ers moved down to the Giants' 20. The freakin' 20! The last play of the game was badly over thrown. Why? Because they blitzed and Mullens panicked.

The whole defensive game plan was perplexing. Why we continue to put Ogletree in a position where he has coverage responsibilities is beyond me. We also did little blitzing against this kid who likely would have struggled had we sent some additional pressure.
Although Brown had a few miscues  
Beer Man : 11/13/2018 12:09 pm : link
I think he played a very solid 1st game, and was a big upgrade over the previous others who have manned RG this season.
RE: Snacks  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 11/13/2018 12:16 pm : link
In comment 14175937 Dankbeerman said:
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would have been a huge help, he would have pushed down the line like a snow plow and seal3d the cracks the others left open last night.


And on pass plays, Snack would have pushed Richmond back into the quarterback!
RE: RE: Why was Ogletree  
Simms11 : 11/13/2018 12:24 pm : link
In comment 14176217 JFIB said:
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In comment 14175998 Gman11 said:


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in the game during the last minute drive by the 49ers? He sucks in coverage and with no time outs the 49ers more than likely were not going to run any draws or inside screens. Why they didn't blitz the hell out of Mullens on that last drive is also beyond me. The 49ers moved down to the Giants' 20. The freakin' 20! The last play of the game was badly over thrown. Why? Because they blitzed and Mullens panicked.


The whole defensive game plan was perplexing. Why we continue to put Ogletree in a position where he has coverage responsibilities is beyond me. We also did little blitzing against this kid who likely would have struggled had we sent some additional pressure.


Odd thing is he kind of excelled at it with the Rams, hence the reason from the trade. I don't know if its our scheme, talent around him or the fact that he's just not reading the plays properly?! Whatever it is, it has to get fixed moving forward or this will be another wasted trade. Ogletree to me looks like another JAG and not a leader on this Defense.
Collins Had a Bad Game, IMO  
clatterbuck : 11/13/2018 1:45 pm : link
He should not have been assigned Kittle one-on-one. Not sure I'd break the bank to re-sign him.
Well I didn't watch the game  
Bluesbreaker : 11/13/2018 2:54 pm : link
saw the highlights .
We are weak up front on the o-line Barkley will learn
when to turn it up and get what he can .Least of our worries
Collins is still a solid defender he is a bit of a liability
in coverage . We need a FS and a tackling machine at LB
as well as a stud pass rusher .
Good to see a win losing breeds losing
Maybe we found something in Brown . I don't expect Soldier
to have another bad season next year he can hold the fort
down until we draft a replacement I wouldn't be shocked
if the took the Bama LT at #1 and another BPA lineman at #2
Sounds like Eli had a better pocket but the run game still not there .
eli lives!  
bigfish703 : 11/13/2018 3:16 pm : link
the old dog isnt finished yet!
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Tim in JTown : 11/13/2018 5:04 pm : link
I hope they can clear all that soot out of their lungs by Tampa time.
one takeaway that I had  
bigbluehoya : 11/13/2018 5:13 pm : link
I'd like to see Barkley sent on more routes beyond the LOS. Whether it originates from the backfield or he's lined up outside, I think it's another un-tapped source of danger for this offense.

The few times I noticed him run those routes, I could almost see the "OH SHIT" reaction from the defensive players that had him pegged for the flats.
Good post by the OP  
mfsd : 11/13/2018 5:20 pm : link
Re Saquon and the obsession with his home run or loss runs, Booger succumbed to the risk of small sample size, the same way many fans (myself included) often do.

Last night Saquon broke one cutback run for a big gain early, then on another attempt Sherman kept his contain well and buried Saquon for a loss. Booger jumped on this as evidence Saquon “just needs to take his 4 yards, blah blah blah!”

In fact, for most of his runs last night, Saquon did take what (if any) yards were available, including a handful of 1-4 yard gains. He’s a rookie with insane ability who’s still learning how to play the NFL game, and I think he’s already showing progress with this common criticism.

But it’s too much to expect a fat dumb slug like Booger to actually do his homework and put some thought into his commentary - he simply read this criticism of Saquon somewhere and jumped all over it the one time Saquon did it.
A takeaway I had...  
Dan in the Springs : 11/13/2018 5:24 pm : link
Things opened up later in the game for our other passing weapons (OBJ, SS, EE) because of the commitment to running the ball with SB early on. It seemed to me anyway. I need to go back through the game again, but I was pleased that in the first half we seemed to be much more committed to the run than in some other games, even though we had several negative running plays.

Play-action is just deadly with SB if they buy the run, I think. Again, I need to rewatch and do some more analysis, but that was my immediate thoughts watching the game.
RE: one takeaway that I had  
Dan in the Springs : 11/13/2018 5:24 pm : link
In comment 14176863 bigbluehoya said:
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I'd like to see Barkley sent on more routes beyond the LOS. Whether it originates from the backfield or he's lined up outside, I think it's another un-tapped source of danger for this offense.

The few times I noticed him run those routes, I could almost see the "OH SHIT" reaction from the defensive players that had him pegged for the flats.


This too.
Am I crazy  
Matt M. : 11/13/2018 11:03 pm : link
or does Ogletree get a personal foul every game?
I agree that Barkley sometimes  
section125 : 11/13/2018 11:21 pm : link
needs not to lose yardage by just taking what the defense is giving is the best that can be done. He tries to do too much.

Yes Dalvin is not Snacks, but I thought Breida made a lot of his yards on the edge and the OLBs were not there.

Hard to fault Eli too much, but he still makes some of the dumbest throws despite being a starter for over 14 years. He forces too many balls in the short middle too hastily. That bomb to Odell he just threw too high - WTF was that? He has plenty of arm and on that one he looked like he purposely tried to throw it to have Odell run under it. You could see he purposely gave it a higher than usual trajectory.
And sorry, he just cannot throw a screen pass. Yet the lob to Odell for the TD and the missile to Shepard were wonderful passes.
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