Gettleman...

I wouldn't mind going with Eli again next year. If the NYG put a decent line around him, he can still win. I'd rather build the O and D lines than reach for a QB.

In comment 14176046 NBGblue said:

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I wouldn't mind going with Eli again next year. If the NYG put a decent line around him, he can still win. I'd rather build the O and D lines than reach for a QB.

Oh please no. Go with an athletic rental over Eli if they need to. Cannot have Manning running this offense after this year.

I would go BPA that is not a RB and WR.

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I'd rather go with Eli.

next year, and we are not going to extend Eli, so why keep him? For 17M sentimental reasons?

This team has so many holes, and DG has brought in more failures than successes, so if he is still in charge, don't expect much....we could be looking at a long recovery road, until ownership wakens up, or we have another intervention...

In comment 14176064 NBGblue said:

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I'd rather go with Eli.

No disrespect, but you're out of your mind.

But does anyone think he makes it through a full season with this O-line if it doesn't get fixed. Eli has at the very least figured out how to survive a season. Truthfully I hope he just retires after this season. Eli doesn't deserve this BS!

Eli last night is probably the best Eli we can expect to see.

Did you see enough against another pretty awful team, to really be comfortable with him at age 38, having another year.

Has done what in this league to be overhyped as much as he has?

Eli. No Bridgewater. No kidding.

As far as Gettleman, right now I'd give him a C-. At best. His draft was a solid A. Barkley, Hernandez, Carter, and Hill were all excellent picks. Incompletes obviously for Lauletta and McIntosh.

But his FA signings were an F. They also hamstrung our cap at least through 2019.

In comment 14176077 family progtitioner said:

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In comment 14176064 NBGblue said: Quote: I'd rather go with Eli. No disrespect, but you're out of your mind.

I would have to concur, if they draft a QB like a Herbert
or the kid from Duke, neither are Pro ready.
Teddy B. could be a stopgap for them. I don't want to see
Eli as the starting QB around here next year!

In comment 14176178 AcidTest said:

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Eli. No Bridgewater. No kidding. As far as Gettleman, right now I'd give him a C-. At best. His draft was a solid A. Barkley, Hernandez, Carter, and Hill were all excellent picks. Incompletes obviously for Lauletta and McIntosh. But his FA signings were an F. They also hamstrung our cap at least through 2019.

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His trade for Ogletree is an F as well, I would say.

that was squeaked out against a shitty opponent and there are people on BBI who run back to sucking on Eli's dick. Truly remarkable. After this season, IT'S TIME TO MOVE ON!

Otherwise even an JAG QB can succeed behind a good OL (see DaK, Foles, Goff). You have a running back, and good to great receivers. Build the OL and it will even help the D (less time on the field, fewer turn overs...). Its going to take a couple of years as its tough to get all the people you need on BOTH sides of the trenches. They need a couple of pass rushers (a DL and a LB) and they need a corner or two as well as a safety. But build both lines. Not sure shurmur is the answer so don't be in a rush to get a QB if you are going to have a new system in a couple of years. But get Linemen. IF they can block they can block. If they can rush they can rush......its simple.

sarcasm/off

turns out to be the real deal (see what I did there), IMO the team still needs another reliable CB

I'd wince at passing on him.

be pass rushers IMO. Kill two birds with one stone. I don't think OV will be here next year and so that position needs to be upgraded.
Anyway here's my list:
QB (if one is there in the draft that they like)
Center
RT
OLB/Edge Rusher
ILB
Free Safety
CB

He takes a Tom Bradyish one step drop most of the time and fires accurately and he also has peyton manning feet in the pocket and is faster than a lot give him credit he seems to have that 3rd down when nothing is there he is capable of running it down the sidelines for 1st downs ..... Joe Montana did that to teams for years not saying this kid is going to have anything like the careers of the QBs I’ve mentioned but I see some good traits there , warming up to this guy.......

In comment 14176206 Josh in the City said:

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that was squeaked out against a shitty opponent and there are people on BBI who run back to sucking on Eli's dick. Truly remarkable. After this season, IT'S TIME TO MOVE ON!

Meanwhile when Rodgers squeaks out a win at home vs the same shitty team he’s a god.

In comment 14176449 WillVAB said:

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Meanwhile when Rodgers squeaks out a win at home vs the same shitty team he’s a god.

Yeah, that's an analogous situation, good job on the comparison.

And that begs this question, what has DG done to inspire real confidence that he's the right person to keep on the job?

I think his hit/miss ratio right now is on the wrong side of too many misses. And that should be a concern for everyone...

I think what he’s done is a good start. You can knock the FA moves but none of them are killing the team. His first draft was good. He just needs another quality draft that addresses the OL and pass rush.

Interests me more than Bridgewater.

In comment 14176513 WillVAB said:

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I think what he’s done is a good start. You can knock the FA moves but none of them are killing the team. His first draft was good. He just needs another quality draft that addresses the OL and pass rush.

the area they spent all that money is exactly what's crippling them. What good start?

In comment 14176692 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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In comment 14176513 WillVAB said: Quote: I think what he’s done is a good start. You can knock the FA moves but none of them are killing the team. His first draft was good. He just needs another quality draft that addresses the OL and pass rush. the area they spent all that money is exactly what's crippling them. What good start?

The only contract DG handed out that’s potentially crippling is the Solder contract. Everything else he’s done won’t hurt the long term health of the franchise.

His first draft was a good start. Locked up the RB spot, added a good player to the OL, and added pieces on the defensive front 7. He just needs to build on that in ‘19.

RG?

In comment 14177028 WillVAB said:

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In comment 14176692 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: In comment 14176513 WillVAB said: Quote: I think what he’s done is a good start. You can knock the FA moves but none of them are killing the team. His first draft was good. He just needs another quality draft that addresses the OL and pass rush. the area they spent all that money is exactly what's crippling them. What good start? The only contract DG handed out that’s potentially crippling is the Solder contract. Everything else he’s done won’t hurt the long term health of the franchise. His first draft was a good start. Locked up the RB spot, added a good player to the OL, and added pieces on the defensive front 7. He just needs to build on that in ‘19.

Focusing on the free agency deals, if the best thing you can say is the moves dont cripple the long term health of the franchise, those arent successful moves. He spent a ton of money and the return wasnt just zero, it was negative. It's very difficult to frame that as a positive start when the players who were supposed to be keys to addressing major holes have not performed and one has already been released.

except the skill positions. I can make the case that we can use a TE though.

That Gettleman is on the hot seat is just absurd. He has a great history of fixing OLs and that is the primary reqt here.

At the minute his draft looks excellent. Free agency looks poor but if Solder can maintain close to his 49ers level then things look a lot better. Not bad for a guy in his first couple of months.

He now gets a full season and off-season and a ton of picks. We will be a much better team next year.

My best guess on how we address the needs...

QB - First rounder

RT - Free agency (prob Williams)

C - Second rounder

LB/S/CB - Cluster draft back 7

Pass Rush - I suspect this gets addressed in free agency and we look to players like Carter and Hill as second years to juice things up. Realistically if anything gives it is this. I suspect Vernon comes back with a pay cut.

In comment 14177244 English Alaister said:

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That Gettleman is on the hot seat is just absurd. He has a great history of fixing OLs and that is the primary reqt here.

I don't think he's on any hot seat - but what great history are you referring to, exactly?

To get quality players for good value that kept the Giants and Panthers ticking over.

O'Hara, Boothe, McKenzie for example with us as pro personnel director. It's not coincidence in my book the OL fell apart when he left.

At the Panthers same stuff. Trai Turner (3rd), Darryl Williams (4th), Andrew Norwell (UFA).

Gettleman has a good track record of identifying quality OL talent. Granted this off-season was not so special but maybe Solder is turning a corner. Who knows... still early to tell.

In comment 14177295 English Alaister said:

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To get quality players for good value that kept the Giants and Panthers ticking over. O'Hara, Boothe, McKenzie for example with us as pro personnel director. It's not coincidence in my book the OL fell apart when he left. At the Panthers same stuff. Trai Turner (3rd), Darryl Williams (4th), Andrew Norwell (UFA). Gettleman has a good track record of identifying quality OL talent. Granted this off-season was not so special but maybe Solder is turning a corner. Who knows... still early to tell.

It's also possible that the addition of Brown in the middle stabalized things a bit and made the outside perform a little better. On the line, you're only as good as the guy next to you.

All things considered, for a complete turnover of the line in one offseason, it's starting to look a little more promising. Let's hope it keeps going in that direction.

Hernandez looks like a keeper. As a GM His OL draft picks are obscenely good so far. Tough to say what he contributed to the previous Giants picks as technically he was the pro personnel guy.

In comment 14177295 English Alaister said:

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To get quality players for good value that kept the Giants and Panthers ticking over. O'Hara, Boothe, McKenzie for example with us as pro personnel director. It's not coincidence in my book the OL fell apart when he left. At the Panthers same stuff. Trai Turner (3rd), Darryl Williams (4th), Andrew Norwell (UFA). Gettleman has a good track record of identifying quality OL talent. Granted this off-season was not so special but maybe Solder is turning a corner. Who knows... still early to tell.

Way too many variables to correlate the OL's decline to Gettleman's departure. Not to mention when you have to list Kevin Boothe, there's some stretching going on.

O'Hara was a nice find, but McKenzie was a slam dunk - the best FA RT going for top dollar.

In Carolina, he did find Norwell, but also massively overpaid Matt Kalil. Upon his firing, Panthers fans were upset at him for the same reason so many fans are upset at Reese - because after their SB loss, he didn't use the following draft to restock the OL, something that they were feeling earlier this season when their OL suffered some injuries following Norwell's departure.

Hernandez is a good player it seems, he's been up and down but in a year that's tough to evaluate him given the play around him. Solder and Omameh were disasters, Solder a bigger one than Omameh, whom they've already parted ways with.

Thinking that Gettleman is some master OL builder is more wishful thinking than anything else.

Drafting 3 pro bowlers in 4 years using no top 75 picks. Khalil was an overpay, that's fair. Very early to judge Solder.

I get that you don't like Gettleman and I do. I'd say give him a shot. He was very highly regarded in his time here 99 to 11... let's give him a couple of seasons and see what he does. I think he'll make us a much stronger team in the trenches.

post, EA.

In comment 14177244 English Alaister said:

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That Gettleman is on the hot seat is just absurd. He has a great history of fixing OLs and that is the primary reqt here. At the minute his draft looks excellent. Free agency looks poor but if Solder can maintain close to his 49ers level then things look a lot better. Not bad for a guy in his first couple of months.

I'm not as angry at Gettleman as many others here, and I also really like his 2018 draft class so far. But his mistakes regarding veteran personnel -- especially the offensive line, as that is supposed to be some specialty of his -- cannot really be overstated.

* The Ogletree trade doesn't seem to be a wise move.
* The Stewart signing was awful.
* The Omameh signing was awful.
* Letting Fluker walk doesn't seem to have been wise.
* One decent game against a 2-7 team doesn't make the Solder signing look significantly better.
* If he received any offer for Jenkins before the trade deadline, he should have taken it.

Gettleman can be (and hopefully is) beginning to turn it around with moves like Brown and Coleman. But so far, I think a lot of the criticism of DG is largely justified.

Look...I don't mean to say I don't have a horse in the race. I want to see DG be successful. I like the guy but I'm not going to pretend I like every move.

I totally agree it was too much money for Stewart. I think DG needed a set of eyes and ears in the locker room but it was a lot of cash for that.

That being said...I do think DG is the right guy. Solder is going to take some time to evaluate. Omameh we know was a mistake, hernandez looks like a quality pick.

I want the guy with a history of finding quality OL after round 2 rebuilding this team.

I'm good with the Ogletree trade...I think he's been great for us.

Have done this year and trade back for picks

In comment 14177984 English Alaister said:

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I'm good with the Ogletree trade...I think he's been great for us.

This is a hard one to explain.

up front.

As hard to believe as it may be, you've got Solder, 2nd year Hernandez, Halapio/Pulley/2nd year Brown at C, Jamon Brown at RG and likely a big RT in free agency.(Ja'Jawn James?) Wheeler is now an experienced backup.

We need more top shelf talent but if everyone slides into their best spots we could have a good line next year.

There will be a vet QB here either way. If Eli doesn't take a paycut, I wonder if Fitzpatrick would be considered?