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Landon ( Toast ) Collins

Giants : 11/13/2018 1:29 pm
Collins is good defending the run but terrible in coverage. He is not a top ten safety and should not be paid as one
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arcarsenal : 11/13/2018 1:31 pm : link
Ok.
That whiff last night  
DC Gmen Fan : 11/13/2018 1:33 pm : link
was brutal
Collins played poorly in coverage  
YAJ2112 : 11/13/2018 1:34 pm : link
on the other hand, Kittle has 6 other games this year with at least 79 receiving yards. So it's not like he's some scrub.
And when that’s your decision you come back and let us know  
eli4life : 11/13/2018 1:35 pm : link
That guy btw is probably the best te in the league except maybe kelce
Landon ( Toast ) Collins  
Giants : 11/13/2018 1:48 pm : link
has been terrible in coverage its not just about last night
Perhaps...  
Chris in Philly : 11/13/2018 1:53 pm : link
taking your big hitting run stuffer at SS and matching him up all night on a very good receiving TE is a mistake. Or I guess we can just go for trying too hard at nicknames...
RE: Landon ( Toast ) Collins  
eli4life : 11/13/2018 1:53 pm : link
In comment 14176433 Giants said:
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has been terrible in coverage its not just about last night

Which is probably why he’s a strong safety but when Riley is the free safety or whatever hot piece of trash they trot out there they probably don’t have much of a choice
RE: Perhaps...  
eli4life : 11/13/2018 1:54 pm : link
In comment 14176443 Chris in Philly said:
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taking your big hitting run stuffer at SS and matching him up all night on a very good receiving TE is a mistake. Or I guess we can just go for trying too hard at nicknames...


Or this
Was it arrogance, om Bettcher's part, to think your Pro-Bowl SS  
Simms11 : 11/13/2018 2:04 pm : link
could hang with this TE? Hopefully, our coaching staff is getting better at recognizing our personnel strengths and weaknesses and game-planning to better utilize their skills.
RE: Was it arrogance, om Bettcher's part, to think your Pro-Bowl SS  
eli4life : 11/13/2018 2:07 pm : link
In comment 14176476 Simms11 said:
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could hang with this TE? Hopefully, our coaching staff is getting better at recognizing our personnel strengths and weaknesses and game-planning to better utilize their skills.


Probably more like lack of options maybe
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arcarsenal : 11/13/2018 2:09 pm : link
No matter how many times you type "Landon (Toast) Collins," it won't get any less corny or annoying.
Here’s  
Big Blue '56 : 11/13/2018 2:15 pm : link
hoping we can come to terms on a new contract with Toast
RE: RE: Was it arrogance, om Bettcher's part, to think your Pro-Bowl SS  
DavidinBMNY : 11/13/2018 2:16 pm : link
In comment 14176479 eli4life said:
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In comment 14176476 Simms11 said:


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could hang with this TE? Hopefully, our coaching staff is getting better at recognizing our personnel strengths and weaknesses and game-planning to better utilize their skills.



Probably more like lack of options maybe


I think Betcher adjusted late game. It seemed Collins moved more into a quasi PB roll and Thomas picked up coverage responsibilities. I would hope going forward Betcher can switch that earlier. Bucs have some decent TE's.
I've thought for quite some time that the Giants  
That’s Gold, Jerry : 11/13/2018 2:35 pm : link
should do the same with Collins that the Rams did with Mark Barron...a similar player. Move him to LB.
However  
George : 11/13/2018 2:40 pm : link
he'd be pretty awesome as OLB/Roverback hybrid.

Remember when we used to have three safeties on the field at the same time? Back in, what, 2011 when we went to a Super Bowl?

So our FS is suppose to be playing close to the line  
Doomster : 11/13/2018 2:45 pm : link
to cover TE's? I don't think so....that's Collins job...
Are we really going to franchise tag  
Metnut : 11/13/2018 2:48 pm : link
a safety who is a coverage liability? Personally, i'd have rather taken the third rounder (if it was really offered) and used the cap room to upgrade DL, OL or LB.

Paying big money for a safety should be for a player who plays both the pass and the run exceptionally.
Stop it !  
Bluesbreaker : 11/13/2018 3:00 pm : link
There is only one Toast and his name is Elvis !
it's a lot harder  
PaulBlakeTSU : 11/13/2018 3:01 pm : link
to play in coverage as a safety when the QB drops back 39 times and only gets hit 3 times and no sacks.
This is not  
Giants : 11/13/2018 4:08 pm : link
just about last night. He gets lost in coverage every game. He is decent against the run but a huge liability in coverage
Collins is what he is  
AcesUp : 11/13/2018 4:22 pm : link
If you're going to match him up with one of the league's best receiving TEs, he's going to look bad. Skimming through the game thread last night, I'm shocked at how many people were taken by surprise with Kittle. He's one of the most athletic TEs in the league, had a very good rookie year and is lighting it up this year. That wasn't some schmo that toasted him.
NFL combine writeup  
giant24 : 11/13/2018 4:38 pm : link
Collins' tackling, pursuit angles and speed to the sideline can help a defense shut down rushing attacks, but his inconsistencies in coverage will be tested by NFL offenses.

He's listed at 6' 222 at the combine and looks bigger now. Maybe he should be moved to linebacker.
RE: .  
adamg : 11/13/2018 4:40 pm : link
In comment 14176487 arcarsenal said:
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No matter how many times you type "Landon (Toast) Collins," it won't get any less corny or annoying.


You forgot the spaces, super important... Landon ( Toast ) Collins...
RE: Perhaps...  
Paulie Walnuts : 11/13/2018 7:16 pm : link
In comment 14176443 Chris in Philly said:
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taking your big hitting run stuffer at SS and matching him up all night on a very good receiving TE is a mistake. Or I guess we can just go for trying too hard at nicknames...
+1 Riley is trash
Whenever you see top notch effort  
ghost718 : 11/13/2018 7:46 pm : link
like we have here

You just gotta log in,stand up in front of your monitor,and applaud.
Not just last night, but for the better part of the last 2 seasons  
Matt M. : 11/13/2018 7:56 pm : link
he has been merely good. 2016 he was great and a serious contender of DPOY. Every since, he is good with flashes of brilliance. But, overall, not worth the large contract he will be seeking.

I am becoming more and more interested in the idea of moving him to LB or simply moving on. The problem is, we don't even have a decent FS, so the prospect of finding 2 quality S, plus depth is not a good one.
Kittle is a Monster  
Rafflee : 11/13/2018 8:51 pm : link
Collins has lost a bit of Luster, but judging him on Matching Up with Kittle one on one????.... I don't believe you're giving Kittle enough credit, and you're also asking for a lot without any pocket pressure.

Kittle is 6-5, 250...and He's averaging 15.5 Yards a Pop! There is not a D Back or Linebacker that can covber Him..he's Gronk...He's Kelsey... He's an absolute mismatch.
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